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AH Run-downs, summaries and general gubbins


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This is an OTL rundown, but I still thought I might share it here because it took me far too long to write to just stash in my test thread and call it a day. Follow the quote-link for a partial map, if only to disabuse you of the notion that one would in any way clarify this.

Brazil might have the least useful party system in the developed world - this might hinge on your definition of "the developed world", and indeed the Brazilian party system really bears much closer resemblance to those of countries like the Philippines or Indonesia than it does either European or other Latin American ones. In the history of the Brazilian Republic, there's been two one-party periods, a brief interlude of relatively healthy democracy in the 50s and 60s, then a brutal military dictatorship that forced everyone who supported the government into one party, everyone who was willing to serve as a puppet opposition into another party, and everyone who wanted to genuinely fight the regime into various urban guerrilla groups. When democracy was re-established in the mid-80s, everyone and his uncle tried to start a new political party, and the existing political forces fractured a hundred different ways, the result being a party system where it is perfectly feasible to have twelve seats in a state all represented by members of different parties. There were twenty-eight parties in the 55th Chamber of Deputies, sixteen of which won at least ten seats.

The situation isn't helped by the Brazilian electoral system, which is PR by state, but the voter votes for a single candidate rather than a party. The seats are distributed proportionally between registered coalitions, then between the parties within each coalition. Obviously, the coalitions are different on every level, even though presidential, legislative, and state elections are all held on the same day. A party might be part of one coalition nominating a state gubernatorial candidate, a second coalition nominating a slate of congressional candidates, and a third coalition nominating presidential and vice-presidential candidates.

As you may have guessed, the core issue here is that the "parties" don't really function as parties. Politicians build a local voter base, which they bring with them into whichever party they happen to be a member of, and the parties join coalitions and formulate policies based solely on what their elected officials think is strategic for the moment rather than anything so banal as "principles" or "ideology".

That said, we can sort of build a left-right scale. Or at least we can identify a few parties that are recognisably left-wing and a few who are particularly rabidly right-wing. The left lines up roughly as follows:
- The Workers' Party (Partido dos Trabalhadores, PT) is Brazil's major socialist political force. It was formed by dissident trade unionists, Marxist intellectuals and Catholic liberation theology supporters in 1980, at the height of the military dictatorship, and came out of the woodworks to find itself the largest party on the left, with its candidate, former industrial worker and trade unionist Luiz Inacio "Lula" da Silva, coming second in the 1989 presidential election and ultimately winning power in 2002. While in power, the PT spearheaded a huge expansion of the Brazilian welfare state, making it their goal to see poverty and hunger eliminated from Brazil. Lula served out his two terms and stayed hugely popular, even as the PT itself came under suspicion of corruption, and his handpicked successor Dilma Rousseff, a former member of one of the aforementioned urban guerrillas, was elected President in 2010. She was re-elected in 2014, and impeached by the National Congress in 2016 on dubious and controversial grounds. The PT carries on in opposition, and continues to be a very pluralist movement, with groups ranging from moderate social democrats to Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries to Catholic leftists sharing space in the party.
- The Communist Party of Brazil (Partido Comunista do Brasil, PCdoB) is half of the old Communist Party, the oldest existing party in Brazil which split down the middle over the Sino-Soviet split in 1962 - the PCdoB being the pro-China half. Its lack of overt Soviet ties made it slightly less targeted by the CIA, but the military regime didn't care overmuch which communists they were beating down, so it came out of the military era a battered, hardened organisation. It would embrace popular front doctrine, backing Lula for president in every election he stood in, and gradually it found a niche for itself as the PT's more stridently left-wing sister organisation, winning a few deputies within the lulista coalition and even securing the running-mate position in 2018 after the PT's bigger allies left the coalition.
- The Party of Socialism and Freedom (Partido Socialismo e Liberdade, PSOL) was founded in 2004 as a left-wing split from the PT in criticism of the party's decision to ally with centrist and centre-right politicians in the Congress. It contains Trotskyites, eco-socialists, alter-globalists and various more "intellectual" strands of leftism, in addition to lending out spaces on its lists to unregistered extreme-left movements, and its base is primarily made up of left-wingers in the intellectual middle classes rather than actual workers. It's put up its own presidential candidacies in every election since its founding, but has never gotten anywhere significant, and is one of many parties to maintain a small but robust caucus in the Chamber of Deputies.
- The Republican Party of the Social Order (Partido Republicano da Ordem Social, PROS), despite very moderate Christian left origins, has been consistently behind Dilma since its founding in 2010, and supported PT continuity candidate Fernando Haddad in 2018, the only party other than the PT and the PCdoB to do so.

That's about it, really. A couple more parties are either more dubiously left-wing or have a history of sounding much more left-wing than they really are:
- The Brazilian Socialist Party (Partido Socialista Brasileiro, PSB) is a legacy party claiming the heritage of the pre-dictatorship PSB, which was never more than a minor player in the centre-left of that period. Its major base is the northeastern state of Pernambuco, where state governor Miguel Arraes brought in his campaign machine in the early 90s, and it continues to draw its most significant support in gubernatorial elections along the northeast coast. It sometimes backed Lula and sometimes not, eventually deciding to switch tacks and try to bring in right-wingers to bolster its local support in the states where it was competitive. This made it so hated by everyone to its left that it broke decisively with Dilma's coalition for the 2014 election, backing Marina Silva (see the Green Party section below) for president on its own ticket. Silva came in a very respectable third place with 21% of the vote, but this didn't benefit the PSB much downballot, and the party remained one of Brazil's many, many small parliamentary parties. It eventually backed the impeachment of Dilma, though to its credit, it did stop short of supporting Bolsonaro when he came to power in 2018.
- The Socialist People's Party (Partido Popular Socialista, PPS) is the result of the Communist Party of Brazil (the other half of the split from the PCdoB) deciding it didn't want to be a communist party anymore now that the USSR wasn't around, and promptly rebranding itself as a moderate centre-left social democratic party. It became a significant force when it was joined by former Governor of Ceará Ciro Gomes (notice a pattern here?), who used it as a vehicle for his centrist presidential runs in 1998 and 2002, and in 2006 it endorsed Lula's main opponent. Like the PSB, it helped vote down Dilma in 2016, and in 2019 changed its name to "Citizenship" (Cidadania) citing the misleading nature of their name when they clearly didn't have anything to do with socialism. Today they're a centrist liberal party, with much of their membership drawn from centre-right supporters disaffected with their former parties' turn to supporting Bolsonaro.
- The Democratic Labour Party (Partido Democrático Trabalhista, PDT) is the most left-wing of the various parties claiming the heritage of Getúlio Vargas' Brazilian Labour Party, one of the major political forces of pre-coup Brazil. The old Labour Party was working-class, centrist to centre-left and supportive of Vargas' authoritarian populism which bore a bit of a resemblance to that of Juan Perón in Argentina. The PDT was founded to carry on that tradition by Leonel Brizola, one of the true long-runners in Brazilian politics, who had been a senior figure in the pre-coup PTB and now sought to re-establish the moderate left as a political force. For most of the 80s it was touch-and-go whether the PDT or the PT would become the dominant centre-left party, and while the PDT lost out, it eventually came to accept its position as an ally of the PT. It supported Dilma through her impeachment, but in 2018, it played host to the return of Ciro Gomes, who again tried to launch a centre-left presidential bid, and again came in third place.
- The Green Party (Partido Verde, PV), is the kind of green party where the best thing you can say about it is "at least it's not the Mexican one". It claims the left-right divide as a concept is fundamentally outdated, and despite coming from anti-military activist roots, has never fit in well with the left. They got a bit of a boost from left-wingers disaffected by Lula's lack of interest in combatting climate change and deforestation, and a fairly big boost when, in 2009, former environment minister Marina Silva defected over from the PT and declared her candidacy for president on an environmentalist and anti-corruption platform. She got a respectable third place, and promptly left the party for reasons unclear to my cursory reading. It can't have been an amicable split, though, because they didn't endorse her in 2014, and have remained stubbornly independent ever since. They're currently the only party not listed as part of the government or the opposition, which I take to indicate that they believe even Bolsonaro isn't substantially worse for their aims than the PT.

As mentioned, there are also a few clearly right-wing parties:
- The Democrats (Democratas, DEM), formerly the Liberal Front Party (Partido da Frente Liberal, PFL) are the main heirs to the ARENA, the right-wing party set up to support the military regime - well, they were the half of the ARENA that decided maybe this democracy thing is worth taking a second look at. Its leaders have consistently denied that it's right-wing, but this is clearly about the same strategy that led them to name the party "the Democrats". It was among Lula's most implacable opponents throughout his presidency, and carried this attitude over to Dilma, whom they helped impeach. In the 2018 election they backed Geraldo Alckmin's candidacy, which attempted to unite the traditional centre-right against Bolsonaro, but gained absolutely no traction whatsoever, and they now support Bolsonaro in the Congress.
- The Progressives (Progressistas, PP), who like the Democrats have a decoy name, are the result of a merger of two parties who were each themselves the result of mergers between two parties, and one of those four parties was the half of the ARENA that thought this democracy thing was perhaps not worth taking a second look at. Despite generally being a very right-wing party, they've also tended to align with Lula and Dilma's governments out of a sense of wanting to be in the room where it happens. This stance has divided the party somewhat, with the Rio Grande do Sul branch nearly bolting from the party several times over what they see as excessive corruption and lack of principle. Their most famous member during this period was probably Rio de Janeiro deputy Jair Bolsonaro, who represented the party from 2005 until breaking with the leadership in 2016.
- The Party of the Republic (Partido da República, PR) are the result of a merger between the evangelical-inspired Liberal Party and the far-right, pro-military Party for the Reconstruction of the National Order. Like the Progressives, they formed a slightly awkward part of Dilma's coalition in 2014, but then turned on her, and currently form the second-biggest party in Bolsonaro's presidential majority.
- The Social Christian Party (Partido Social Cristão, PSC) are, as the name hints, a Christian democratic outfit, who had a brief surge of popularity in the late 80s before collapsing in the early 90s. They were able to find a path back to (some measure of) power by allying with the growing evangelical Protestant churches, current party leader Pastor Everaldo Pereira being a leading figure in the Brazilian Assemblies of God. These movements tend to be strongly socially conservative, and the PSC follows this line, taking a particularly hard stance against LGBT rights. Former judge Wilson Witzel was elected Governor of Rio de Janeiro on the party's ticket in 2018, and has ratcheted up police anti-drug operations in the state to nearly Dutertean levels. And of course, they played host to Bolsonaro from 2016 to 2018, during which time he laid much of the groundwork for his eventual presidential run.
- The National Ecological Party (Partido Ecológico Nacional, PEN) is one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the mess that is the Brazilian party system in recent years. Originally meant to be a centre-right environmentalist party that could support Marina Silva in case she couldn't get the PSB on side, it failed to attract her attention and instead moved toward a constituency of communitarian evangelicals ("PEN" was often thought to be a shibboleth abbreviation for "PENtecostal"). In 2017, Jair Bolsonaro began to alienate the PSC leadership (as he tends to do when he's stayed in a party for long enough) and decided to maybe have a look at the PEN, whose leaders were reasonably inclined towards him. In fact, they were so inclined towards him that at the mere hint of him possibly joining, they changed the name of the party to PATRIOTA (hopefully I shouldn't have to translate that), announced plans to start drawing in conservative Catholics as well as evangelicals, and most notably, completely abandoned environmentalism (Bolsonaro being an all-but-open climate change denier). After all this hoopla, when they asked Bolsonaro to make the leap, he said "nah" and went off in search of something else, but they stuck to the new course and stood a no-hoper candidate for President.
- When Bolsonaro decided to skip the PEN and carry on party-shopping a while longer, the vehicle he eventually picked out was the Social Liberal Party (Partido Social Liberal, PSL), a small party that until then had been libertarian, supporting gay rights and secularism but also backing the impeachment of Dilma and supporting free-market reforms. Bolsonaro did not change its name upon entering, but he did throw out the entire party platform and replace it with his own hard-right nationalist agenda. The old libertarian leadership left the party to found their own movement called Livres ("Free" (pl.)), which declared "independence" from Bolsonaro's government without formally aligning with the opposition.
- Oh, and of course, when Bolsonaro inevitably pissed off the PSL leadership in November 2019, he decided to found his own party called the Alliance for Brazil (Aliança pelo Brasil, APB), which basically supports whatever he says it supports. Why he didn't do this back in 2016 is frankly anyone's guess, but I suppose Brazil decided it just made too much sense as a country.
- Bolsonaro's other main cheerleading team beside the PSL were the Brazilian Labour Renewal Party (Partido Renovador Trabalhista Brasileiro, PRTB), a far-right outfit originally led by Levy Fidelix, a man who has both the name and physical appearance of a character from an Asterix comic, and who before 2018 was best known for making some fairly outrageous homophobic comments during the 2014 election campaign. Bolsonaro's vice-presidential candidate, General Hamilton Mourão, was parachuted into the party to legitimise his candidacy, because this is apparently somehow something you just need to do in Brazilian politics.

This leaves the largest group of parties by far, the ones who don't have any firm ideological direction, don't claim to have one, and have never really claimed to have one:
- The (Party of the) Brazilian Democratic Movement ((Partido do) Movimento Democratico Brasileiro, (P)MDB) was originally the catch-all controlled opposition party under the military dictatorship. They enjoyed a brief flowering of support in the 80s, holding a majority in the Chamber of Deputies that wrote the current Brazilian constitution, before splitting six ways from Sunday and leaving only the most morally-debased machine politicians still in the party. They made a conscious decision not to engage in presidential elections after 1994, no doubt partly to avoid forcing its members to choose one candidate to support from among them, and their main focus has been on state gubernatorial elections as well as the Senate, although they do elect a respectably-sized bloc of deputies as well. They did tend to support Lula and Dilma for the same reason the Progressives did, before turning around and impeaching Dilma upon realising that it would make one of their own President. In office, Michel Temer would do his level best to make himself equally despised by exactly everyone in Brazil, and the party underwent a slow-motion crisis ahead of the 2018 election as they realised they now actually had a record in government that they might have to defend. They dropped the "Party of" from their name, tried to position themselves as a centrist to centre-right liberal pro-open society party, and even made murmurs about the possibility of expelling some members whose political views were known to veer far from this new middle path. The result was complete electoral meltdown.
- The Party of Brazilian Social Democracy (Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira, PSDB), nicknamed the tucanos after the bird in their longtime party logo, is on the centre-right much like the Portuguese party with a similar name. As ever, the space between "social" and "democracy" is very, very important here. The PSDB originated as the left faction of the PMDB, who originally wanted to form a popular front with Lula and the PT, but when this was rebuffed they founded their own party in 1988. They stood sociology professor Fernando Henrique Cardoso for President in 1994, who won outright in the first round for two elections in a row and became the first Brazilian president ever to win re-election in a democratic vote. Cardoso had been known as a Marxist in academia, but because his main opponent in both elections was Lula, the right came to back his candidacy, and he governed as a Third Way centrist. It's a bit controversial how left-wing the PSDB ever was, but with Cardoso's election it definitely stopped being left of centre in any meaningful sense, and after his departure in 2002 it's only carried on drifting rightwards, forming the key opposition to Lula and Dilma and being just about the only party never to align with the PT in any coalition anywhere. They and the PMDB made up the key bloc behind the impeachment of Dilma, and they supported Temer's presidency before launching a broad centre-right coalition for the 2018 presidential election under Geraldo Alckmin, who had been their candidate against Lula in 2006 and now essentially promised a continuation of the centre-right establishment's politics. This was not at all an advisable strategy in that situation, and Alckmin wound up getting some 5% of the vote, with both the PSDB and PMDB losing about half their seats in the Chamber of Deputies.
- The Social Democratic Party (Partido Social Democrático, PSD), not to be confused with the above, is a new outfit founded in 2011 by São Paulo mayor Gilberto Kassab, who had previously been a Democrat. It was immediately accused of being a Lulista plant to steal votes from the opposition, and indeed Kassab supported Lula, but since Dilma's reelection it shifted rightwards, participating in both Temer's and Bolsonaro's presidential majorities.
- The Party of Christian Social Democracy (Partido Social Democrata Cristão, PSDC), not to be confused with the above or the above the above, was a minor Christian-democratic group who supported none of the coalitions in 2014, standing its own presidential candidate who won about 60,000 votes in a country of two hundred million. They did the same thing in 2018, having shortened their name to Christian Democracy (Democracia Cristã, DC), and... won some 40,000 votes. Insert Curb Your Enthusiasm theme here.
- Solidarity (Solidariedade) is a very moderate centre-left party linked to the Força Sindical, a trade union centre on the "pragmatic" end of the movement. Despite their trade unionist backing they've tended to align with the PSDB, supporting their candidacies in both the 2014 and 2018 elections.
- The Humanist Party of Solidarity (Partido Humanista da Solidariedade, PHS), not to be confused with the above, was a minor Christian-social grouping that backed Lula in 2002 only before sitting out two elections, backing Marina Silva in 2014, and finally fucking off into obscurity after the 2018 election, in which they won enough votes to be represented but not enough to secure public funding for the party itself.
- The Brazilian Republican Party (Partido Republicano Brasileiro, PRB) might or might not be the political wing of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (Igreja Universal do Reino de Deus), a frankly quite unsettling evangelical church which has been banned in a number of African countries and been responsible for a large number of child abductions and manslaughters as part of their religious work, and runs the usual mildly exploitative tithing system expected of groups like it. The UCKG openly wants to create a "theocratic state" in Brazil, and has latterly supported Bolsonaro in his political efforts, though the PRB strenuously denies that this is its goal or indeed that it's connected with the UCKG at all. It even backed Lula and Dilma through most of their respective presidencies, citing their "concern for eliminating social inequality", but of course quite happily stuck the knife in and now supports Bolsonaro.
- The Brazilian Labour Party (Partido Trabalhista Brasileiro, PTB) is the other main party claiming the heritage of the old PTB aside from the PDT. They were awarded the name of the old party by the government, largely because of the involvement of Getúlio Vargas' great-niece in their founding, and have charted a more centrist course than that of their sister party, generally supporting the PSDB in its presidential bids and aligning with the opposition to Lula and Dilma.
- In 1989, a left faction split from the PTB to found the Labour Party of Brazil (Partido Trabalhista do Brasil, PTdoB). They've generally been in between the PTB and the PDT politically, but definitely closer to the latter - the PTdoB did support the opposition candidate in 2014, but banded together with the PDT to support Ciro's comeback in 2018. Perhaps recognising the slight People's Front of Judea vibe their name gave off, the party rebranded in 2017 to AVANTE ("FORWARD").
- The National Labour Party (Partido Trabalhista Nacional, PTN) was founded in 1995 by the brothers Dorival and José de Abreu, who were both in the Chamber of Deputies for either the PMDB or PSDB, even the Portuguese Wikipedia doesn't seem to care which of the two they represented. It carried on as a minor centrist force for twenty-odd years before changing its name to Podemos in 2016, inspired by Obama's election slogan rather than the Spanish party of the same name (as its leaders were anxious to point out). It began to flirt with e-democracy, broke out of Temer's presidential majority, tried to launch its senator Álvaro Dias as a presidential candidate with the backing of the PSC, and finally joined Bolsonaro's presidential majority after swallowing the PHS in November 2018. So it goes in Brazilian minor-party politics.
- The Progressive Republican Party (Partido Republicano Progressista, PRP), similarly to the PHS, was a small chancer party of the centre-right who merged with Podemos after doing shit in the 2018 elections.
- The Party of National Mobilisation (Partido da Mobilização Nacional, PMN) is another independent centre-left group, who backed Lula but not Dilma, and to their credit at least don't back Bolsonaro either. AFAICT, their name is the most interesting thing about them.
- Finally, the Christian Labour Party (Partido Trabalhista Cristão, PTC) have perhaps the most misleading name out of everyone - they have very little to do with the labour movement, the PTB legacy, or organised Christianity, and were formerly the hard-right libertarian National Reconstruction Party (Partido da Reconstrução Nacional, PRN), most famous as the party whose candidate, Fernando Collor de Mello, was elected president in 1989 in the first free and direct presidential election since the 1964 coup. Collor proceeded to burn everything in his path and resign to avoid impeachment, which led his party to undergo a bit of a crisis and decide to rebrand in what might be either the least conspicuous or the most conspicuous way possible, depending on your point of view.

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Major Parties

Labour Democrats: God, Dave the Chameleon is tenacious. He just won a majority after everyone was saying he was doomed to defeat. Yet another four years of the Lab Dems. Do people get sick of this vague soft-left neoliberal bullshit? Seems not.
Conservatives: Seems that quite a few of their newly-elected MPs were elected on a "Yellow Terror" campaign against the Prime Minister, alleging that he would sell Britain to China. Erm. Not a good look, Tories! And anyway, isn't Ige like, Japanese-Briton?
Greens: Not taking the loss of Zac in his marginal seat that well. He was supposed to be their shining knight on horseback, and now he's Just A Man.

Minor Parties

UKIP: Nikki taking them to 7 seats should really put them in major, but I refuse to acknowledge them as anything but minor.
Socialist: Having a leadership election that'll take them seven months. Ugh, that means I have to do this for the next seven months. Fuck you, BSP.
- Mark Drakeford: An "old hand" it seems, and a firm leader of the BSP in the Welsh Senate. Kind of boring though.
- Kim Coco Iwamoto: Vocal about turning the BSP to a stronger "social movement" and away from the old "workers' club". She'll get 11%.
- Becky Long: Apparently she's their leader in the Manchester Council. That'll be an upgrade from "Literal Celebrity" anyway, even if she is "who?".
Liberal: Seems that their website trademark has expired and someone has taken www.liberals.uk and turned it into a redirect to the Lab Dems site.

Regional Parties

Scottish: Still moaning on about how their Assembly doesn't get as much powers as the rest. Ugh. At this point I would support the calls some of them make for Scottish independence if it wasn't a joke supported by literally only 3% of Scots.
Plaid Cymru: Vaughan Gething has done a photoshoot with his 20 new MPs. That's nice. 20 votes for the Lab Dems in all but name.
Kū'oko'a: Since the freaking PM is from Hawaii, they're basically all but irrelevant. Good.
Aloha 'Āina: But those ones aren't. The Hawaiian Parliament voted through an AA MHP's bill to expand support for Hawaiian speakers. Nice.
Reform: Well, at least the www.hawaiireform.uk one haven't expired like their sister party's. That's something.

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Party Rundown

Conservative: Sunak! He's our man! Our second majority, and even more of a landslide than the first! Ignore Johnson being glum, he's the bastard who did nothing as people died, he's the past, Sunak is the future! The future is Conservative! Rebuild Britain! For the Many, Not the Few!

Labour: Fuck Starmer. He led us in coalition with the fucking Tories and lost us the Red Wall. Now time to rebuild with Richard Burgon and a renewed commitment to Democratic Socialism, Pacifism, Anti-Zionism and standing up for all workers of the world.

Liberal Democrats: *tumbleweed somehow appear in Britain as the camera pans over a weathered copy of 'The Quiet Death of Liberal England'*

SNP: Okay okay, we're now Opposition in Scotland. At least we're still stronger than the Red Tories, even if not the actual Tories.

Plaid Cymru: Hm. Tories now in government in Wales. Even Adam Price is at a loss for words. Oh dear.

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Conservative: Sunak! He's our man! Our second majority, and even more of a landslide than the first! Ignore Johnson being glum, he's the bastard who did nothing as people died, he's the past, Sunak is the future! The future is Conservative! Rebuild Britain! For the Many, Not the Few!

Labour: Fuck Starmer. He led us in coalition with the fucking Tories and lost us the Red Wall. Now time to rebuild with Richard Burgon and a renewed commitment to Democratic Socialism, Pacifism, Anti-Zionism and standing up for all workers of the world.

omg on both of these

Tibby just recently you;ve been really good at hitting me at omg with this stuff

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Conservative: Sunak! He's our man! Our second majority, and even more of a landslide than the first! Ignore Johnson being glum, he's the bastard who did nothing as people died, he's the past, Sunak is the future! The future is Conservative! Rebuild Britain! For the Many, Not the Few!
You've Always Had It So Good II: Empire Of The Sunak

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Lines Upon the Vogel Memorial

A hundred years since Sir Julius Vogel
We gather to extol the shrine
Built in honour of that mogul
And his Australasian Zollverein.

The finest fleeces that this century
Has seen, which shone like heady rays
The Aussie woolgrowers sent to we
Who had a surplus anyways.

Likewise with metals and with meat,
We kept afloat a grim free trade,
Swapping Plain-grown wheat for wheat,
Sent on a boat by Jim McLay.

Despite the profits made by hauliers
And the unions' dockers' dues
Less bold than Walter Raleigh is
The free-trade-mocker’s Muse.

For in the brave new Nineteen-Eighties
When the world turns full protectionist
The mood runs now to abdicate these
Deals which have perfection missed.

New Zealand wants for finished goods
Better to make them than import:
We’ll fell our undiminished woods,
Not Brisbane’s that we passim sought,
And next century shall ascend higher
Our secondary industries.

Kiwis, shed no tears for Empire:
In time they’ll pay our robust fees.


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Second Cold War Discussion Thread III
March 20th, 2020

US and allies

United States of America: Americans have been told to leave Taiwan. Wait, no, that can't be right, I thought that America was supposed to defend Taiwan? Guess all the 12 year old WWIII fearmongers on here can finally shut up. Also, say goodbye to President Anderson's re-election chances. He won in 2016 on a platform of detente, and he will lose badly on the same platform.

European Union: The EU is more worried about Taiwan then the United States is. I guess this is them trying to prove that they, too, have a shared interest in combating the BLICSS alliance after they said they didn't want to intervene in Iraq to stop Qusay Hussain's gassing of Shia civilians in 2017 and shot down any chance of any intervention in Iraq. Maybe this is more important than Iraq. Maybe it isn't.

Seoul Pact: Pretty pissed off at how the US is handling Taiwan, and you know what? Can't blame them.

The Three I's (Iran, India, Israel): In non-Taiwan news - India's elections have concluded, and in a shock to nobody, nobody has won. Amazing that India, which was hit by 2/27 similar to how Israel was hit, can still hold elections (and still hold themselves together despite the fact that over five parties which hate each other control an equal amount of parliament), and yet Israel still remains under a military dictatorship and we just have to accept it whenever we hear of a massacre of Palestinian civilians.

OAS: Bolivian President Camacho has said that America should nuke China if those "dirty reds" invade Taiwan. Does he have an account here?


Brazil: Brazil hasn't come up in the news lately, but in the BLICSS acronym they come first, so I guess [goes on google], a legislator from the ruling Worker's Party has had a corruption scandal.

Libya: Saif ul-Islam Gaddafi has said that Libya stands with China. Don't know why (or if) anyone expected anything different.

Iraq (Ba'athist Government): Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri has threatened that if the west were to intervene in the civil war they would "face the same fate those 1700 did in Basra" before immediately shutting up (no, I will not argue over whether or not this was a CIA deepfake as some have been saying in the Iraqi Civil War thread). A high ranking Iraqi official taking credit for the Basra Chemical Attack may shut up conspiracy theorists, but its too late to intervene now that it has been nearly three years since that has happened.

China: Ah yes, China. Their leadership is presumably ecstatic now that it is clear that the US isn't willing to stand up for Taiwan. Guess we can do nothing but hope for the best for Taiwan, and hope they don't end up like Hong Kong.

Soviet Union: Roman Grebennikov, mayor of Volgograd, has said that since the US wasn't willing to stand up for the friendly Central Asian governments and instead threw them to the Khorasan Front wolves, that there is no way they are going to fight for Taiwan. Another soundbyte for the Republican Party's campaign in 2020, I guess...

Serbia: 20 Kosovar militants/civilians (depending on who you ask) were killed by the Serbian Army last week and Bosnia and Albania have both condemned it. Is this the start of the great Second Yugoslav/Fourth Balkan War that all the war nerds have been hoping for? No

Sunni Islamist Bloc

Khorasan Front: Really has got everything worked out for them since the peace deal in 2018. Apparently they have re-established themselves in Pakistani Sindh and have captured Ghotki. We will be seeing the fall of Saigon but on a much larger scale, but nobody will care.

Islamic Emirate of Arabia: They have failed in their attempts to try and get the Sunni Arab population of Iraq to defect from the Iraqi government and in getting the Sunni Kurds to defect from Peshmerga and declare their allegiance to the Salafists they're funding in Iraq, so now they're trying to arm the Salafists which are already there and see what happens. They should probably be more concerned about the Coptic separatists, but hey, what use is establishing a caliphate if Baghdad isn't a part of it?

Bangladesh: They probably should be happy that the Hindu Nationalists lost in India. Had they won we probably will be talking about Bangladesh and Taiwan in the same sentence. Their treatment of Hindus and Buddhists, which was already bad but has increased since the 2011 Islamist coup, isn't really something to ignore, and is one of the reasons the Hindu Nationalists were so successful in India's election.

Aceh: The head of their morality police was caught watching porn in his office. Presumably he will be given the same treatment that the morality police has given to those who've done far less. Or not. He is saying on twitter that he is a victim of a great Jewish conspiracy, which is to be expected.


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Govt Parties (and S&C)
Conservatives (250) : They’re back in Power… just. Unable to undo the Voting Reform Act and the Transition agreement and the Lib Dems and Mods hold the sword of Damocles over any post-transition trade agreement.
Moderates (60): The Tories and the Mods are Like a couple who have split up but still meet up for the sex.
Lib Dems (55): Two roads diverged in a Pantone wood and we chose the one where they didn’t merge with the Mods

Opposition Parties
Labour (201): The notorious RLB failed to notice the poison symbol on the chalice Jez handed her huh?
Greens (19) : Actually hoping Labour pivot to the center-left. Becoming the Tories to Labour’s Moderates.
Reform (8): Take me to a TL where Nigel Farage has fucked off my Telly! I don’t care how, give Boris Johnson a majority in 2019, anything. We’ve left the EU and after a period of unemployment he’s an MP. Fuck you, Lincolnshire (sorry Bob) !

SNP (22): Nicola Sturgeon is holding a monkeys paw, having wished for a soft Brexit but now seeing desire for Indyref2 plummet
Plaid (11): Hey, shared electoral lists between the Greens, Plaid and Lib Dems make sense. They’re basically the same party

DUP(5): Building a voodoo doll of the moderates for robbing them of another S&C deal with the Tories
Sinn Fein (7): Taoiseach MacDonald is conflicted. On the one hand NI is still in the EU. On the other hand NI is still in the EU
Alliance (6): @Ulster is giving Alfie allll the treats while singing a chorus of "We love Naomi, we doo"

Predictions: Government implodes when the Libs and Mods vote against government’s agreement OR Patel bottles it and Reform surges.
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Fuchsia Red's American Party Explanations for Ignorant Foreigners

Alright, so we have a lot of parties now, it's 2080 after all! We're hardly the old party system of Democrats and Republicans! But as foreigners sometime pop in the thread asking "What's Gaia's Lament?" or "What the hell is a Municipalist?", a party rundown might be needed. I'm not as good as DaughterSideways when it comes to this thing, but I might as well try!

Basically all our parties are in six "circles". I'm going to order them from radical to establishmentarian, but I'm putting the fascists second-last because the fascists are basically just those that want the Old Ways back when America had the Right People in Charge, but not the Old Old Ways.

Green Circle
The greenies! Tends to get votes from the eco-communes up in the Appalachians and urban liberals in New New York, as well as Hawaii for some reason. They're divided in three parties, of varying associations with the eco-terrorists like the PPT that pops up in the news attacking some corporation or another for their supposed "crimes against the planet", including the murder of trillionaire Jackie Shears. However, the eco-terrorists are very popular in certain areas. Don't diss them in West Virginia for one.

- Gaia's Lament: The most radical of green parties, those are the ones that do Voluntary Human Extinction and insist all their nominees be sterilised to avoid any children. "Humanity is a virus" used to be a popular slogan of theirs. I think they nominated the actual leader of the Planetary Protection Taskforce once and lost all votes outside the eco-communes as she declared that if she was elected President, she would commit to destroying America's industry systematically so to ensure that America would be "sustainable".
- Soldiers of Mother Earth: The green party that while they do have ties to the eco-terrorists, avoid the radical stuff like VHE. They're very much green though, and dedicated to destroying American neo-capitalism in favour of eco-socialism and what they call the "Green Revolution". I think they really like the idea of agrarianism and making basically of America into eco-communes, like Gaia's Lament.
- Green Party: The "mainstream" [for what counts as mainstream] environmentalist party, they're often derided as "eco-lite" by the radicals. They are very clear in their denial of any connections with the eco-terrorists, and often votes in favour of tougher crackdowns on eco-terrorists. I think they have at times tried to sell themselves as "the only party that can both respect democracy and negotiate with the eco-terrorists". Which isn't much of a niche. If you like the eco-terrorists or think they have a point, you're gonna vote for the actual green parties.

Socialist Circle
"Socialist" in America basically just means "left, but likes unions", to be honest. It varies as a label, but the three here are all supported by unions and by cooperatives, which makes for strong fiscal support. The unions never can quite agree, though, on what they particularly want. This circle does great in the Midwest, especially when you get away from the Appalachians. And they can at times win Southern states, especially in Louisiana, where you basically have socialist governors for 12 years and counting. Oh yeah, and Alaska. That's a weird state.

- Communist Party: I think technically they're the "Communist Party of America (Marxist-Lincolnite-Reddite)". But nobody calls them that, not even the news. The actual Communist Party has to call itself the "Original Communist Party" now after a lawsuit. This one is big on calling for workers to control the means of production, and has in several states tried to push power from constitutional democracy to proletarian democracy via an assembly of soviets. ["Soviet" is a thing American lefties say to mean workers' councils. I think it's Russian in origin].
- Democratic Socialists: I think they're the oldest party in America. No, that's not the NRC, as much as they like to call themselves the "Grand Old Party". The Democratic Socialists of America [or DSA for short] likes to tout that it's the Party of Brace Belden, who was the first socialist president apparently. Odd, I thought that was like FDR? Anyway, President Belden was hugely popular in the socialist circle. His death the other year basically shut down the entire Midwest in mourning. The DSA has a huge pedigree, but not much lately to their name.
- Progressive Party: The moderates in the Socialist circle, they are known at times to work with other "moderate" parties to come up with a "grand bargain" that seems to piss off everyone not moderate. I think President Belden once called them "opportunist bandwagon jumpers" since they were the last on the left to hold on the label of "liberal" and refused to work with socialists until it was unavoidable. Of course now they deny that and insist they were always on good terms, pointing to examples of progressive-socialist cooperation... more than a century in the past.

Libertarian Circle
The libertarians are weird tbh. They do best in the West due to the West really liking the emphasis on "individual government" and whatnot. They also do well in suburbs sometimes, but that tends to be mainly either socialist or liberal depending on the particularities of the suburb in question. They're split in those that interpret "individual government" as either left or right. The two are basically wings of the same party and regularly work with each other, but there do exist times where the two split. Definitely a more coherent circle than normal.

- Municipalist Party: They're the "left" of the libertarians, apparently. Big on expanding the National Dividend [that's the American basic revenue], empowering local communities and decentralising laws, they do have some stuff they believe the national government should take charge on. Not a lot, but some. They basically made Colorado their stronghold over the last decade, all but making it safe Municipalist. Their governor got 52% last election!
- Libertarian Party: The "right" of the libertarian circle, and the one with the name everyone knows. Has a bit of a reputation for being the "illegal trafficking" party which basically makes them toxic to sensible voters. Unfortunately, that's a minority of Americans. Oh yeah, I should explain the "illegal trafficking" bit to non-Americans. Turns out the party was in the habit of trafficking heavily illegal drugs like tobacco, believing that because of some weird conspiracy theory that because some president in like, the 2020s refused to step down when his term was up, his successor and therefore all of the State's actions from that was actually illegitimate, including the ban on tobacco in 2047. Got basically all their leaders arrested.

Liberal Circle
"Liberal" in America basically just means "right, but likes the status quo of being a constitutional democratic republic". Do note that not all parties here like using the term "liberal". Especially the NRC, they refuse to use it, instead using "conservative". They do well in the South, but especially well in the Pacific Coast states and the North-East. Their safest state is basically Massachusetts, I think. That's definitely a very liberal state.

- Civic Democratic Alliance: They're the ones that say they're the party of FDR and all, being the actual legal continuation of the old Democratic Party. They like to emphasise "moderate cooperation" and "rising above old partisan divides". I'm not sure what they actually believe in apart from that, to be honest. Do they even have an ideology, or are they just the party of people who bemoan that politics has ideology in it?
- Our Tomorrow: A party funded by a multitrillionaire to promote unity between the CDA and the NRC. It just managed to split the liberal circle even more. The trillionaire died before she could change her will which gave all the money to Our Tomorrow. It's half a genuine political party trying to advocate "liberal-conservative fusion", half just a bunch of people keeping the facade going to keep the money. And yes, people do vote for this.
- New Republican-Constitution Party: The legal continuation to the old Republican Party. It likes to say it's the party of Reagan. It doesn't quite like to say that it's the party of Hawley, for obvious reasons, although they do derive more ideology from him than from Reagan. Vocally against socialism, it still rejects the liberal branding, calling liberalism "a mental disorder". The CDA and NRC's centuries-old feud continues and ensures the liberal circle is divided as ever. That's one thing you can count on in American politics, Dems and Reps hating each other.

Fascist Circle
Technically the "Nationalist Circle" according to political commentators, but fuck that. They're fascists and everyone knows it. They tend to do well in the White South and some parts of the Plains and pick up scarily lots of voters elsewhere. I won't spend a lot of words here because, ugh.

- American Nationalist Union: The """"moderate"""" fascists, they're nevertheless the ones clinging more to the idea of America being a white country and heavily dog-whistling against African immigrants, saying they will never "integrate" in American society. They're "moderate" because they don't openly desire the destruction of the constitution and the establishment of a "Volkstate". They do, though. They just think it can be slowly chipped away, slowly, one liberty after another until America wakes up and we're under the jackboot.
- American National People's Vanguard: They're rather odd. They think America should be organised under a system that's basically stolen from some old communist country, but with the one party being of course the ANPV. They want it to be an one-party totalitarian state, and basically openly admits that. Their ideology is "National Integrated Vanguardism" or something. They are big on the idea of America being a multiracial state, as long as all people unite behind the Flag and the Lost Greatness of America, unlike the more white-power ANU.

Monarchist Circle
To understand why America has significant monarchist politics, you have to understand the '50s and the great trauma it dealt on American culture as a whole. Some people basically came away from that with one conclusion set in their minds - America was a mistake. To those people, who proudly called themselves "Tories", America erred fatally when it rebelled against the English Crown. And that America will only find salvation and national stability when it returns to the fold and crowns King George VII as the rightful Monarch of America. Really nuts thinking, yeah, but it was popular once. Nowadays, this has cooled down, but there's still strong "Tory" communities scattered around America.

- New Tory Party: The main banner-holder of the Monarchist circle, it's mostly broad-tent, but tends right-wards. It depends on where the communities are, honestly. Some of them aren't that much different from the CDA and would be comfortably liberal if it wasn't for the monarchist belief, while others fit well within the ANPV, only that they want the Supreme Director to be a crowned head, not some jumped-up commoner. The New Tory Party tends to emphasise the aspects it can agree on, namely the crown, and a general discomfort with socialism.
- Social Monarchist Union: While the New Tories are firmly not in favour of socialism, the SMU is. Primarily based in Midwestern "Tory" communities, it fused monarchist beliefs with Midwestern liking for socialism to form a very bizarre ideology called "Monarchical Socialism", which basically argues that the ideal political system is an implementation and furthering of socialism, but with the monarch as a "guiding, stable hand". Some theorists, buried deep within their papers, even hypothesise the idea of "Absolutist Communism" where the state withers away to nothing but the King. Most of the SMU doesn't even touch that idea, though, and heavily deny ever planning on anything like that.

Electoral College
Our president is elected via this weird system. Non-Americans are probably familiar with it via watching our election nights. It's basically a winner-takes-all system apart from some states that do proportional, congressional district breakdown or instant runoff. The last time anyone got a majority was when President Skála ran unopposed back in 2060 due to the Social Crisis. Normally that sort of thing doesn't happen at all. You are expected to have parties be eliminated one by one in the election college voting one by one. The circles tend to back their own in that.

Some electors may decide that none of the remaining choices are worth their time and declare their vote to be "present", which basically means it's counted, but not for any of the candidates. The rounds go on, normally something like eight rounds, before a majority is decided, often with only two or three candidates left. If the "present" votes deny a majority with two candidates left, the state parties that originally won the electors are handed full control and are expected to decide rather rapidly who to cast the votes for after a round acknowledging their renewed electors.

If this second "last round" still has no majority, most likely by some state parties deciding to maintain the "present" voting, the Governors of the state in question are handed control and are expected to make a decision who to back. The third "last round" is the furthest any election has been, but there is constitutionally procedure for a fourth one in which the House of the People selects the nominee.

This is pretty messy, yeah, and I think it was cleaner before the convention of 2052 or so that established America's new multi-party democracy.


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This is one of the best lists I've read in a while.

Turns out the party was in the habit of trafficking heavily illegal drugs like tobacco, believing that because of some weird conspiracy theory that because some president in like, the 2020s refused to step down when his term was up, his successor and therefore all of the State's actions from that was actually illegitimate, including the ban on tobacco in 2047. Got basically all their leaders arrested.
Even in the future, US Libertarians gonna Libertarian.

Like the nods to the existence of a new generation of Politibrits.


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This is honestly top tier work Tibby, you really do excel at this stuff.

I love so much about it, UBI just being a thing, VHE being something you can just have an acronym for that people will get because it's a political concept, surviving monarchist weirdos. This is good shit.


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Couldn’t quite work out the fine details of the TL for this but here goes.

Whatif.com Party and Politics Rundown. New Years Day 2020

Comments: only 3 weeks until 25th Anniversary of the Great Accident Commemorations

Government Parties

Left Alliance-
Democracy ’06:
The second coming of the Party of Skinner is continuing apace. Ignore the massive flight of money ignoring New Canary Wharf and going towards President Clinton’s New New York Project
Labour: Eddie Izzard has two buttons, one marked “We hate D06 and the PM in particular” one marked “We like being in government,” and he cannot pick which to press.
Green Alliance: Is too happy about the new wave of London reconstruction having so many solar panels to make too much of a noise about D06 and Labour’s proposals for the next wave of emissions targets. This entry is quite long winded, but factual.
Plaid Cymru: Are also there. Leanne Wood looks happy as Minister for Wales. Which is nice.
SDLP: On the one hand the SDLP want to do better, on the other hand Colum Eastwood might have competition for his role as NI Secretary

His Majesty’s Most Loyal Opposition:

Conservative Coalition
One Nation:
Bill Hague wants to look Prime Ministerial and above partisan politics ahead of the anniversary, also wants the PM to fuck it up in front of King William.
British: *flips a coin* Heads they call for Parliament to be moved back to London, Tails they say how too much money is being spent on rebuilding London.
Liberal: Dan Hannan made a gaffe by calling them the “25th anniversary of the Great Accident Celebrations
UUP: Are hanging on as the DUP slowly remove their fingers from the ledge.

Others with Commons Representation

Liberal Democrats: Once again repeating the words “No One Alliance gains a majority” like a mantra while looking for some friends who aren’t the Alliance.
SNP: Confirmed despite worries about its safety, their commemorative events will be held at the Lanarkshire crater. You’ve all heard the tasteless jokes about the King, I’m hardly a royalist but fuck that noise.
Party For Wales: Are Still Kicking themselves over joining League of Regions rather than the LA.
Radical: Grant Morrison is still an MP, Grant Morrison still hates being an MP. Grant Morrison still refuses to rejoin D06
Alliance: Are also there and squeezing the Lib Dem's hand reassuringly.
Sinn Fein: I’m going to fit these folks with an alarm that periodically reminds people to a) their existence and b) the LoR
DUP: The seeming bastard child of the LoA and the CC kicked up a fuss about the PM visiting Dublin, obvs.

Parties with Sitting Lords and Senators Only

National Front: Lord Griffin is Pinning another medal to his jacket for his self-proclaimed actions post-accident, no doubt. At least the NF have fucked off from the commons.
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