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[allthepresidentsmen]

Definitely cribbing @Comrade Izaac 's work on TNO's Senate mechanic. But for major individuals.

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Major American political figures, 2033

Democratic Party:
Bruce Wayne [Progressive]
Michelle Wu [Progressive]
Ron Nirenberg [Progressive]
Pete Buttigieg [Liberal]
Amy Klobuchar [Liberal]
Hakeem Jeffries [Liberal]
Carlos Ramirez-Rosa [Democratic Socialist]
Brace Belden [Democratic Socialist]
Jared Golden [Blue Dog]
Abigail Spanberger [Blue Dog]

Republican Party:
John Thune [Conservative]
Katie Britt [Conservative]
Cindy Byrd [Conservative]
Elise Stefanik [MAGA]
Alek Skarlatos [MAGA]
Jessica Taylor [MAGA]
Tucker Carlson [Nationalist]
Tulsi Gabbard [Nationalist]
Erin Stewart [Moderate]
Benji Backer [Moderate]

Progressive: #FF33FF
Moderate: #FF9999

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

"Wayne once again declines to debate Gray in Democratic primary race"
- Jacobin, 01/25/36

"Briahna Joy Gray accused of utilizing homophobic stereotypes in campaign ad"
- Narratus News, 02/18/36

"Does it count as electoral suicide if said electoral bid never had a chance?"
- Some Blue-Checked Twitter Person, 02/20/36

"2036 Election: incumbent Wayne sweeps 'Super Tuesday' contests - as it happened"
- The Guardian, 02/24/36

"Wayne accuses Gray of being Russian patsy"
- Associated Press, 03/07/36

"Great! Thank you @POTUS, the king of warmongering, identity politics and fake progressivism, for letting your true feelings come out. This primary is between you and me. Don’t hide behind your surrogates and face me directly."
- @briebriejoy (Twitter), 03/07/36

"Breaking: Bruce Wayne will agree to solo debate against Briahna Joy Gray"
- CNN, 03/11/36

"CNN Poll: Wayne wins Democratic primary debate in landslide"
- CNN, 03/15/36

"Opinion: Don't count out Briahna Joy Gray just yet."
- Glenn Greenwald (The Guardian), 03/16/36

"As expected, Wayne wins pivotal Illinois, Washington primaries by huge margins"
- Politico, 03/23/36

"As usual, the American corporate media wants you to believe that the rich white man won over a strong woman of color. Don't be fooled."
- @spiritofho (Twitter), 03/24/36

"Did Briahna Joy Gray utilize girlpower in trying to justify the forced deportation of Ukrainians to Russia"
- [god who knows] (Twitter), 03/24/36

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[Ebolaman123]

"Wayne once again declines to debate Gray in Democratic primary race"
- Jacobin, 01/25/36

"Briahna Joy Gray accused of utilizing homophobic stereotypes in campaign ad"
- Narratus News, 02/18/36

"Does it count as electoral suicide if said electoral bid never had a chance?"
- Some Blue-Checked Twitter Person, 02/20/36

"2036 Election: incumbent Wayne sweeps 'Super Tuesday' contests - as it happened"
- The Guardian, 02/24/36

"Wayne accuses Gray of being Russian patsy"
- Associated Press, 03/07/36

"Great! Thank you @POTUS, the king of warmongering, identity politics and fake progressivism, for letting your true feelings come out. This primary is between you and me. Don’t hide behind your surrogates and face me directly."
- @briebriejoy (Twitter), 03/07/36

"Breaking: Bruce Wayne will agree to solo debate against Briahna Joy Gray"
- CNN, 03/11/36

"CNN Poll: Wayne wins Democratic primary debate in landslide"
- CNN, 03/15/36

"Opinion: Don't count out Briahna Joy Gray just yet."
- Glenn Greenwald (The Guardian), 03/16/36

"As expected, Wayne wins pivotal Illinois, Washington primaries by huge margins"
- Politico, 03/23/36

"As usual, the American corporate media wants you to believe that the rich white man won over a strong woman of color. Don't be fooled."
- @spiritofho (Twitter), 03/24/36

"Did Briahna Joy Gray utilize girlpower in trying to justify the forced deportation of Ukrainians to Russia"
- [god who knows] (Twitter), 03/24/36

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good post but honestly gray wouldn't run for the democratic nomination tbh, prob just go for the Green Party nomination instead

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

good post but honestly gray wouldn't run for the democratic nomination tbh, prob just go for the Green Party nomination instead

Hmm, fair point. I suppose it’s a bigger publicity stunt to challenge a popular incumbent than to run for the nomination of a party with an electoral ceiling of 2.7%.

 

[Ebolaman123]

Hmm, fair point. I suppose it’s a bigger publicity stunt to challenge a popular incumbent than to run for the nomination of a party with an electoral ceiling of 2.7%.

true

 

[theflyingmgoose]

Glenn Greenwald has evolved again.

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

United States Senate elections, 2022
Net change: D+2
Democratic freshmen (gain): Tim Ryan (D-OH), John Fetterman (D-PA), Mandela Barnes (D-WI)
Democratic freshmen (hold): Peter Welch (D-VT)
Republican freshmen (gain): Adam Laxalt (R-NV)
Republican freshmen (hold): Katie Britt (R-AL), Kelly Tshibaka (R-AK), Eric Schmitt (R-MO), Ted Budd (R-NC), Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)

United States Senate elections, 2024
Net change: R+1
Democratic freshmen (gain): Rochelle Garza (D-TX)
Democratic freshmen (hold): Ruben Gallego (D-AZ), Katie Porter (D-CA), Lisa Blunt Rochester (D-DE), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Jared Golden (D-ME)*, Andy Kim (D-NJ), Mallory McMorrow (D-MI)
Republican freshmen (gain): Ryan Zinke (R-MT), Alex Mooney (R-WV)
Republican freshmen (hold): Todd Rokita (R-IN), Pete Ricketts (R-NE), Sean Reyes (R-UT), Rachel Rodriguez-Williams (R-WY)


United States Senate elections, 2026
Net change: N/A
Democratic freshmen (gain): Shenna Bellows (D-ME)
Democratic freshmen (hold): Jared Polis (D-CO), Kwame Raoul (D-IL), Michelle Wu (D-MA), Peggy Flanagan (D-MN), Hector Balderas (D-NM), Jennifer Carroll Foy (D-VA)
Republican freshmen (gain): Chris Sununu (R-NH)
Republican freshmen (hold): Adam Gregg (R-IA), Daniel Cameron (R-KY), Julia Letlow (R-LA), Nancy Mace (R-SC), Kristi Noem (R-SD), Dan Crenshaw (R-TX), Mary Lou Retton (R-WV)


United States Senate elections, 2028
Net change: R+2
Democratic freshmen (gain): N/A
Democratic freshmen (hold): Erick Russell (D-CT), Wes Moore (D-MD), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Shemia Fagan (D-OR), Becca Balint (D-VT), T'wina Nobles (D-WA)
Republican freshmen (gain): Frank LaRose (R-OH), Mike Gallagher (R-WI)
Republican freshmen (hold): Leslie Rutledge (R-AR), Jake LaTurner (R-KS), Clay Higgins (R-LA), Kelly Armstrong (R-ND)


United States Senate elections, 2030
Net change: D+5
Democratic freshmen (gain): Cameron Kasky (D-FL), Patrick Murphy (D-FL), Jason Kander (D-MO), Jeramey Anderson (R-MS), Tom Winter (D-MT)
Democratic freshmen (hold): Yvanna Cancela (D-NV), Tim Ryan (D-OH), Malcolm Kenyatta (D-PA), Jorge Elorza (D-RI), Zoraya Hightower (D-VT), April Berg (D-WA), Mandela Barnes (D-WI)
Republican freshmen (gain): N/A
Republican freshmen (hold): Drew Wrigley (R-ND), David Kustoff (R-TN)


United States Senate elections, 2032
Net change: D+6
Democratic freshmen (gain): Scott Kawasaki (D-AK), Josh Svaty (D-KS), Natalie Murdock (D-NC), Camdyn Kavan (D-NE), Rebecca Kwoka (D-NH), Luke Warford (D-TX)
Democratic freshmen (hold): Sarah McBride (D-DE), Garlin Gilchrist (D-MI), Aaron Regunberg (D-RI)
Republican freshmen (gain): N/A
Republican freshmen (hold): Mary Lou Retton (R-WV)

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

Honestly always wanted to do a Trump with a Dem Senate, though he's still OTL Trump. My idea was he picks a poison pill VP, like Flynn, and then it goes down to the wire and Dems barely retake the Senate. I just think it would be interesting to see what Trump does with that.

Senators of the 118th United States Congress, 2019-21
Alabama: Richard Shelby (R, 1986), Luther Strange (R, 2017)
Alaska: Lisa Murkowski (R, 2004), Dan Sullivan (R, 2014)
Arizona: Kyrsten Sinema (D, 2018), Martha McSally (R, 2019)
Arkansas: John Boozman (R, 2010), Tom Cotton (R, 2014)
California: Dianne Feinstein (D, 1992), Kamala Harris (D, 2016)
Colorado: Mike Bennet (D, 2009), Cory Gardner (R, 2014)
Connecticut: Richard Blumenthal (D, 2010), Chris Murphy (D, 2012)
Delaware: Tom Carper (D, 2000), Chris Coons (D, 2010)
Florida: Bill Nelson (D, 2000), Marco Rubio (R, 2010)
Georgia: Johnny Isakson (R, 2004), David Perdue (R, 2014)
Hawaii: Brian Schatz (D, 2012), Mazie Hirono (D, 2012)
Idaho: Mike Crapo (R, 1998), Jim Risch (R, 2008)
Illinois: Dick Durbin (D, 1996), Tammy Duckworth (D, 2016)
Indiana: Todd Young (R, 2016), Mike Pence (R, 2018)
Iowa: Chuck Grassley (R, 1980), Joni Ernst (R, 2014)
Kansas: Pat Roberts (R, 1996), Jerry Moran (R, 2010)
Kentucky: Mitch McConnell (R, 1984), Rand Paul (R, 2010)
Louisiana: Bill Cassidy (R, 2014), John Neely Kennedy (R, 2016)
Maine: Susan Collins (R, 1996), Angus King (I/D, 2012)
Maryland: Ben Cardin (D, 2006), Chris van Hollen (D, 2016)
Massachusetts: Elizabeth Warren (D, 2012), Ed Markey (D, 2014)
Michigan: Debbie Stabenow (D, 2026), Gary Peters (D, 2014)
Minnesota: Amy Klobuchar (DFL, 2006), Al Franken (DFL, 2008)
Mississippi: Thad Cochran (R, 1978), Roger Wicker (R, 2006)
Missouri: Claire McCaskill (D, 2006), Jason Kander (D, 2016)
Montana: Jon Tester (D, 2006), Steve Daines (R, 2014)
Nebraska: Deb Fischer (R, 2006), Ben Sasse (R, 2014)
Nevada: Catherine Cortez Masto (D, 2016), Jacky Rosen (D, 2018)
New Hampshire: Jeanne Shaheen (D, 2008), Maggie Hassan (D, 2016)
New Jersey: Bob Menendez (D, 2006), Cory Booker (D, 2013)
New Mexico: Tom Udall (D, 2008), Martin Heinrich (D, 2012)
New York: Chuck Schumer (D, 1998), Kirsten Gillibrand (D, 2009)
North Carolina: Richard Burr (R, 2004), Thom Tillis (R, 2014)
North Dakota: John Hoeven (R, 2010), Kevin Cramer (R, 2018)
Ohio: Sherrod Brown (D, 2006), Rob Portman (R, 2010)
Oklahoma: Jim Inhofe (R, 1994), James Lankford (R, 2014)
Oregon: Ron Wyden (D, 1996), Jeff Merkley (D, 2008)
Pennsylvania: Bob Casey Jr. (D, 2006), Katie McGinty (D, 2016)
Rhode Island: Jack Reed (D, 1996), Sheldon Whitehouse (D, 2006)
South Carolina: Lindsey Graham (R, 2002), Tim Scott (R, 2013)
South Dakota: John Thune (R, 2004), Mike Rounds (R, 2014)
Tennessee: Lamar Alexander (R, 2002), Phil Bredesen (D, 2018)
Texas: John Cornyn (R, 2002), Beto O'Rourke (D, 2018)
Utah: Mike Lee (R, 2010), Mitt Romney (R, 2018)
Vermont: Pat Leahy (D, 1974), Bernie Sanders (I/D, 2024)
Virginia: Mark Warner (D, 2008), Tim Kaine (D, 2012)
Washington: Patty Murray (D, 1992), Maria Cantwell (D, 2000)
West Virginia: Joe Manchin (D, 2010), Shelley Moore Capito (R, 2014)
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin (D, 2012), Russ Feingold (D, 2016)
Wyoming: Mike Enzi (R, 1996), John Barrasso (R, 2006)


Underline represents senators different to OTL.

 

[AnActualFam]

Senators of the 118th United States Congress, 2019-21
Alabama: Richard Shelby (R, 1986), Luther Strange (R, 2017)
Alaska: Lisa Murkowski (R, 2004), Dan Sullivan (R, 2014)
Arizona: Kyrsten Sinema (D, 2018), Martha McSally (R, 2019)
Arkansas: John Boozman (R, 2010), Tom Cotton (R, 2014)
California: Dianne Feinstein (D, 1992), Kamala Harris (D, 2016)
Colorado: Mike Bennet (D, 2009), Cory Gardner (R, 2014)
Connecticut: Richard Blumenthal (D, 2010), Chris Murphy (D, 2012)
Delaware: Tom Carper (D, 2000), Chris Coons (D, 2010)
Florida: Bill Nelson (D, 2000), Marco Rubio (R, 2010)
Georgia: Johnny Isakson (R, 2004), David Perdue (R, 2014)
Hawaii: Brian Schatz (D, 2012), Mazie Hirono (D, 2012)
Idaho: Mike Crapo (R, 1998), Jim Risch (R, 2008)
Illinois: Dick Durbin (D, 1996), Tammy Duckworth (D, 2016)
Indiana: Todd Young (R, 2016), Mike Pence (R, 2018)
Iowa: Chuck Grassley (R, 1980), Joni Ernst (R, 2014)
Kansas: Pat Roberts (R, 1996), Jerry Moran (R, 2010)
Kentucky: Mitch McConnell (R, 1984), Rand Paul (R, 2010)
Louisiana: Bill Cassidy (R, 2014), John Neely Kennedy (R, 2016)
Maine: Susan Collins (R, 1996), Angus King (I/D, 2012)
Maryland: Ben Cardin (D, 2006), Chris van Hollen (D, 2016)
Massachusetts: Elizabeth Warren (D, 2012), Ed Markey (D, 2014)
Michigan: Debbie Stabenow (D, 2026), Gary Peters (D, 2014)
Minnesota: Amy Klobuchar (DFL, 2006), Al Franken (DFL, 2008)
Mississippi: Thad Cochran (R, 1978), Roger Wicker (R, 2006)
Missouri: Claire McCaskill (D, 2006), Jason Kander (D, 2016)
Montana: Jon Tester (D, 2006), Steve Daines (R, 2014)
Nebraska: Deb Fischer (R, 2006), Ben Sasse (R, 2014)
Nevada: Dean Heller (R, 2010), Catherine Cortez Masto (D, 2016)
New Hampshire: Jeanne Shaheen (D, 2008), Maggie Hassan (D, 2016)
New Jersey: Bob Menendez (D, 2006), Cory Booker (D, 2013)
New Mexico: Tom Udall (D, 2008), Martin Heinrich (D, 2012)
New York: Chuck Schumer (D, 1998), Kirsten Gillibrand (D, 2009)
North Carolina: Richard Burr (R, 2004), Thom Tillis (R, 2014)
North Dakota: John Hoeven (R, 2010), Kevin Cramer (R, 2018)
Ohio: Sherrod Brown (D, 2006), Rob Portman (R, 2010)
Oklahoma: Jim Inhofe (R, 1994), James Lankford (R, 2014)
Oregon: Ron Wyden (D, 1996), Jeff Merkley (D, 2008)
Pennsylvania: Bob Casey Jr. (D, 2006), Katie McGinty (D, 2016)
Rhode Island: Jack Reed (D, 1996), Sheldon Whitehouse (D, 2006)
South Carolina: Lindsey Graham (R, 2002), Tim Scott (R, 2013)
South Dakota: John Thune (R, 2004), Mike Rounds (R, 2014)
Tennessee: Lamar Alexander (R, 2002), Phil Bredesen (D, 2018)
Texas: John Cornyn (R, 2002), Beto O'Rourke (D, 2018)
Utah: Mike Lee (R, 2010), Mitt Romney (R, 2018)
Vermont: Pat Leahy (D, 1974), Bernie Sanders (I/D, 2024)
Virginia: Mark Warner (D, 2008), Tim Kaine (D, 2012)
Washington: Patty Murray (D, 1992), Maria Cantwell (D, 2000)
West Virginia: Joe Manchin (D, 2010), Shelley Moore Capito (R, 2014)
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin (D, 2012), Russ Feingold (D, 2016)
Wyoming: Mike Enzi (R, 1996), John Barrasso (R, 2006)


Underline represents senators different to OTL.

yeah it would be something like this.

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

In a semi-distant, semi-optimistic future for the United States of America, the shift in party coalitions that come with 30 years' worth of chaos, as well as the Climate Crisis and its effects thereof on the electoral map.
Yes, the EC stays. Cope

"Go West, young man, go West."
- Horace Greeley, 1850

"We kept denying the shift, kept reasoning with ourselves that the recent victories were just the luck of the draw. 'Well, of course Tom Winter could win. He ran as a populist and chose the right year to run.' 'What happened in Nebraska was certainly a shock, but come on, no one likes Pete Ricketts.' But then it happened. The election result that was out of the realm of possibility, well, became reality."
- Look To The West, published 2045

"And we can now project that Senate Majority Leader Tom Winter is the apparent victor in the state of Nebraska — not just statewide, but for all five of its congressional districts as well. That's the first time a Democrat has won all of Nebraska's electoral votes since 1964."
- Narratus News, 2052 Election Live Broadcast

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[allthepresidentsmen]

a lot of things i could say 'bout the moderation staff on the Other Place, but it'd probably get me tossed off of both sites

so

i won't

 

[Blackentheborg]

a lot of things i could say 'bout the moderation staff on the Other Place, but it'd probably get me tossed off of both sites

so

i won't

Preachin to the choir, man

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

Preachin to the choir, man

Considering how half of this site's best modern-althist contributors (you, @Comrade Izaac, @theev? I think?, @rosa etc) are people who received the boot from the other place, yeah

 

[rosa]

Considering how half of this site's best modern-althist contributors (you, @Comrade Izaac, @theev? I think?, @rosa etc) are people who received the boot from the other place, yeah

I appreciate the compliment!

But, yeah, we all know lmao

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland:
1997-2009: Tony Blair, MP for Sedgefield (Labour)
-election 1997: def. Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Norman Tebbit (Conservative)
-election 2001: def. Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), John Redwood (Conservative)
-election 2005: def. Michael Portillo (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2010: Hilary Benn, MP for Leeds Central (Labour)
2010-2013: Michael Portillo, MP for Chelsea and Fulham (Conservative)
-election 2010 (coalition): def. Hilary Benn (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2013-2021: Michael Portillo, MP for Chelsea and Fulham (National)
-election 2015: def. Emily Thornberry (Labour), Simon Hughes (Democratic), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nigel Farage [lost] (BPP)
-election 2020 (minority): def. Jon Cruddas (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nigel Farage (BPP), Nick Clegg [defeated] (Democratic)
2021-2022: Steve Baker, MP for Wycombe (National)
2022-2026: Jon Cruddas, MP for Dagenham and Rainham (Labour)
-election 2022 (coalition): def. Steve Baker [defeated] (National), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Richard Tice (BPP), Chuka Umunna (Democratic)
2026 Scottish independence referendum: NO 50.5%, YES 49.5%

2026 VoNC: YES 332, NO 313​

2026-2029: Luke Bainbridge, MP for Banbury (National)
-election 2026: def. Jon Cruddas (Labour), Richard Tice (BPP), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Jo Swinson (Democratic)

2029 Brexit referendum: REMAIN 52.8%, Leave 47.2%​

2029-2030: Luke Bainbridge, MP for Banbury (National-Democratic unity coalition, then National minority)
2030-2030: Philip Hammond, Baron Hammond of Runnymede (National minority; acting)
2030-20___: Grant Clarke, MP for Sevenoaks (National minority)

2030/31 UK general election polling:
Labour (Rebecca Long-Bailey): 27.2%
British People's (Louis Stedman-Bryce / Alex Phillips): 24.6%
National (Grant Clarke): 21.3%
Democratic (Jo Swinson): 14.3%
Green (Zac Goldsmith): 7.8%
SNP (Jo Cherry): 3.4%

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

2026-2029: Luke Bainbridge, MP for Banbury (National)
-election 2026: def. Jon Cruddas (Labour), Richard Tice (BPP), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Jo Swinson (Democratic)
2029 Brexit referendum: REMAIN 52.8%, Leave 47.2%
2029-2030: Luke Bainbridge, MP for Banbury (National-Democratic unity coalition, then National minority)
2030-2030: Philip Hammond, Baron Hammond of Runnymede (National minority; acting)
2030-20___: Grant Clarke, MP for Sevenoaks (National minority)

The fall of Luke Bainbridge came just as quickly as his rise.

It seemed as if the Nationals had their new Portillo - elected in 2026 with a lofty popular-vote majority, Bainbridge seemed to have latched onto an unending lucky streak: the government was miles ahead of Long-Bailey's hard-left Labour Party, the Democrats were on the verge of collapse, and the Brexit vote had ended in a comfortable victory for Remain.

Then it all went wrong.

Priti Patel defected to the BPP. Then Dorries. National lost the Uxbridge South by-election. Then eighteen more MPs defected. The PNP was reduced to a minority in Parliament, saved only by the abstentionists in Sinn Fein. Things began to look up for a brief moment when Swinson led the 9 remaining Democratic MPs to coalition with National (ironically, the alliance of the Tories and LibDems to form National was what kicked off the formation of the Dems in the first place). Unfortunately, it was all downhill from there.

The fucking European Parliament. From Clare Daly to The People's Nige, a dumping ground for every member state's unwanted loons and blowhards. The Nats lost. And lost hard. From Essex to Somerset, Lincolnshire to Kent, the National Party was wiped out - by Labour, the BPP, even the fucking Libertarians* - and the Democrats pulled out of the unity coalition.

With twin VoNCs looming - one in his leadership and one in his ministry - the Europhiles enraged, and the 2013 Committee at the door, one thing was clear: Bainbridge was finished. The BPP surged in polls. Political bookies' odds were now on how Bainbridge would be booted.

But he wouldn't be sticking around to find out who would be first to kick him out of No. 10.

On May 15, Luke Bainbridge resigned as Leader of the National Party and as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

[1]: Synopsis: A pro-European Tory MEP dies and is replaced by a Brexiteer cryptocurrency enthusiast who immediately defects to the Libertarian Party - but he retains the staff of his predecessor, including the deceased's centrist daughter, with whom he embarks on an odd-couple romantic relationship.

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

wait Tulsi Gabbard hadn't already left the Dems

also lol @ andrew yang

have fun calling yourself "not left, not right" when the most left-wing member of your party is Joe Sestak

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

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[allthepresidentsmen]

Kemi Badenoch
(Conservative majority, then minority)
2024
"All Fall Apart."
[YouGov: Lab 59% - Con 18%]​

Work in progress.
Also: LOTO Ian Blackford is something else.

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

fucking lol