I preferred Fatherland.
Or "Hell", as various party insiders called it. The first post-reform coalition was not fun for anyone and would collapse into a whole new one, because the alternative was... well, there wasn't one because National Reform had become the party that said 'are those Hong Kongers properly integrating?' and that made them toxic for any coalition partner. While this government(s) has managed to begrudgingly pass a lot of policies, Labour is joining the Tories in running on a referendum to return to FPTP.
On the other hand I would expect agreeing to a Scottish referendum being very controversial?
Treating the run seriously ruins the joke.So I recently found out Dizzy Gillespie ran for President in 64' and considered doing it again for 72' so ummm this happened...
How Dizzy Changed America...
1963-1965: Stuart Symington (Democratic)
1965-1969: William Scranton (Republican)
1964 (With Barry Goldwater) def: Stuart Symington (Democratic), George Wallace (Dixiecrat), Dizzy Gillespie (Independent)
1969: Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1968 (With Sam Yorty) def: William Scranton (Republican), George Wallace (American Independents), Dizzy Gillespie (Freedom)
1969-1973: Sam Yorty (Democratic)
1973-: Dizzy Gillespe (Freedom)
1972 (With George McGovern) def: Sam Yorty (Democratic), Barry Goldwater (Republican), George Wallace (American Independents), Tom McCall (Third Force)
1976 (With George McGovern) def: John Connally (Democratic), Richard Nixon (Republican), George Wallace (American Independents), Tom McCall (Third Force)
The implosions of the Democrats and Republicans in the aftermath of Scranton's defeat and Kennedy's death signalled the idea of the tradtional two parties of American politics, with George Wallace hoovering up the Southern states, Tom McCall absorbing the angry Rockerfellar Republicans and Moderate Republicans and some Moderate Democrats into his Third Force party and generally the other two trying to prove how more Conservative they could be than the other it was time for a New Force to appear in American politics. A combination of the forces of Labor, Civil Rights, Social Democrats and Liberals would work together to get Dizzy Gillespe, former Jazz bandleader and 1964 Independent candidate into the White House helped by a hideously divided field.
Now with Dizzy having completed his two terms with record high levels of popularity people look at who will be competing with Freedom's Presidential Candidate Quincy Jones, will it be the Democratic-Republican candidate Ronald Reagan, American Independents new candidate Bob Richards or the new leader of the Third Force Frank Zappa...
OK, I assume you were talking about a specific scenario/time period using "National Union" then, I meant more generically.In the 1910s the Civil War was in living memory.
Be Careful For What You Wish For..: Prime Ministers of Great Britian and Northern Ireland:A list inspired by the discussion of a LRC collapse in 1900 and the rundown I did earlier. @Nyvis this make sense in your opinion?
Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom:
1900-1902: Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative)
1900 (Majority) def: Henry Campbell Bannerman (Liberal), Keir Hardie (Independent Labour Party), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary Party)
1902-1906: Arthur Balfour (Conservative)
1906-1910: Henry Campbell Bannerman (Liberal)
1906 (Majority) def: Arthur Balfour (Conservative), Keir Hardie (ILP), Arthur Richardson (Liberal-Labour), John Redmond (IPP)
1910-1915: H.H.Asquith (Liberal)
1910 (Majority) def: Arthur Balfour (Conservative), Fred Jowett (ILP-SDF Alliance), Arthur Richardson (Liberal-Labour), John Redmond (IPP), William O'Brien (All for Ireland)
1915-1918: David Lloyd George (Liberal leading War Coalition)
1918-1921: Bonar Law (Conservative)
1918 (Majority) def: David Lloyd George (Liberal), George Lansbury (ILP), Ramsay MacDonald (Liberal-Labour), Samuel Perry (Cooperative Party), Henry Hyndman (National Socialist Party), David Robb Campbell (Ulster Labour Party), Joseph Devlin (Irish Nationalist Party), Various Irish Nationalists
1921-1924: Sir William Joynson-Hicks (Conservative)
1921 (Majority) def: Christopher Addison (Liberal), George Lansbury (ILP), Ramsay MacDonald (Liberal-Labour), Samuel Perry (Cooperative Party), Henry Hyndman (National Socialist Party), David Robb Campbell (Ulster Labour Party), Joseph Devlin (Irish Nationalist Party),Micheal Collins (Sinn Fein)
1924: General Strike, Collapse of Joynson-Hicks Goverment
1924-1930: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1924 (Majority) def: Sir William Joynson-Hicks (Conservative), Clement Attlee (ILP), Ramsay MacDonald (Liberal-Labour), Samuel Perry (Cooperative Party), Tom Kennedy (National Socialist Party), David Robb Campbell (Ulster Labour Party), Joseph Devlin (Irish Nationalist Party), Lintorn Rotha Orman (Action)
1928 (Coalition with Cooperative Party) def: Eric Geddes (Conservative), Clement Attlee (ILP), George Alfred Spencer (Liberal-Labour), Alfred Barnes (Cooperative Party), Oswald Mosley (National Socialist Party), Jack Bettie (Ulster Labour Party), Joseph Devlin (Irish Nationalist Party), Lintorn Rotha Orman (Action)
1930-1932: William Wedgewood Benn (Liberal)
1932-1935: Arthur Steel-Maitland (Conservative)
1932 (Majority) def: William Wedgewood Benn (Liberal), Edgar Lansbury (ILP), Alfred Barnes-G.D.H Cole (Cooperative Party), Oswald Mosley (National Socialist Party), Jack Bettie (Ulster Labour Party), Joseph Devlin (Irish Nationalist Party), Lintorn Rotha Orman (Action), Wyndham Lewis (Futurist), Hugh MacDiarmid (Scottish Socialist Party), Sylvia Pankhurst (Socialist Party of Great Britian)
1935-1937: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative)
1937-1940: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal)
1937 (Majority) def: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative), Clement Attlee (ILP), Alfred Barnes-A.V.Alexander (Cooperative Party), Oswald Mosley (National Socialist Party), Jack Bettie (Ulster Labour Party), Micheal Collins (Sinn Féin-Irish Nationalist), William Joyce (Action), Wyndham Lewis (Futurist), Hugh MacDiarmid (Scottish Socialist Party), Sylvia Pankhurst (Socialist Party of Great Britian)
1940-1945: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal leading War Coalition)
1945-1947: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal)
1945 (Coalition with ILP) def: Harold Macmillan-Oswald Mosley (New Democratic), Ellen Wilkinson (ILP), Jack Bettie (Ulster Labour Party), Micheal Collins (Sinn Féin), John Beckett (Social Credit), Eric Linklater (Scottish Social Democratic Party), Geoffrey Trease-Ted Grant (Socialist Party of Great Britian)
1947-: Harold Macmillan (New Democratic)
1947 (Majority) def: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Nye Bevan (ILP), Jack Bettie (Ulster Labour Party), Micheal Collins (Sinn Féin), John Beckett (Social Credit), Eric Linklater (Scottish Social Democratic Party), Geoffrey Trease-Tom Driberg (Socialist Party of Great Britian), Ted Grant (Socialist Labour)
1951 (Majority) def: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Nye Bevan (ILP), Micheal Collins (Sinn Féin), John Beckett (Social Credit), Eric Linklater (Scottish Social Democratic Party), Geoffrey Trease-Konni Zilliacus (Socialist Party of Great Britian), Ted Grant (Socialist Labour)
1955 Election:
In Government:
Harold Macmillan (New Democratic)
Opposition:
Evan Durbin (Liberal)
Nye Bevan (ILP)
John Beckett (Social Credit)
Eric Linklater (SSDP)
Konni Zilliacus-Jill Craigie (SPGB)
Ted Grant (Socialist Labour)
Abstaining:
Sean MacBride (Sinn Féin)
No but it often comes up in the 1910s and 1920s where again it's in living memory. And even later, then the press would bring up its discredited nature. I don't accept that it would just be ignored in the US.OK, I assume you were talking about a specific scenario/time period using "National Union" then, I meant more generically.
Though it's always worth being reminded of that fact, because it's one of those things that's always reflexively surprising to the way most people view history.
No but it often comes up in the 1910s and 1920s where again it's in living memory. And even later, then the press would bring up its discredited nature. I don't accept that it would just be ignored in the US.
tbf it didn't stop people in the uk insistently bringing up the prospects of a national government in the 1970s and last year, when the last example of that Did Appeasement.
tbf it didn't stop people in the uk insistently bringing up the prospects of a national government in the 1970s and last year, when the last example of that Did Appeasement.
OK, I certainly agree with the first part, I think the second part would depend on the nature of the press at the time and how it's viewed by the wider populace. Regardless, I think you've made your point that it would have to be justified in-timeline rather than being seen as an automatic obvious choice.No but it often comes up in the 1910s and 1920s where again it's in living memory. And even later, then the press would bring up its discredited nature. I don't accept that it would just be ignored in the US.
I've mentioned this before, but back when the coalition formed in 2010, there was a fella on Atlas who combined the post-election polls to compare "National Government" to "Labour". No idea why, because (as this was still the honeymoon period) it made Labour look like it was doing much worse in the polls than it was. Maybe that insular Labour thing where people still regard Ramsay Mac et al as a visceral wound as though it happened last week, and he was going for that comparison?Wasn't Churchill-Attlee called a National Government at the time as well?
As a tangent to this, I just found something on AH.com where you were complaining about (I think) Brown treating the Ministry of All the Talents as something to be emulated and how this was historically illiterate.OK, I certainly agree with the first part, I think the second part would depend on the nature of the press at the time and how it's viewed by the wider populace. Regardless, I think you've made your point that it would have to be justified in-timeline rather than being seen as an automatic obvious choice.
I've mentioned this before, but back when the coalition formed in 2010, there was a fella on Atlas who combined the post-election polls to compare "National Government" to "Labour". No idea why, because (as this was still the honeymoon period) it made Labour look like it was doing much worse in the polls than it was. Maybe that insular Labour thing where people still regard Ramsay Mac et al as a visceral wound as though it happened last week, and he was going for that comparison?
Shockingly convergent, and not really sure it fits, but for a bit of fun:
List of football champions in the English Workers' Commonwealth
English Football Championship
(Council teams under Olympic system)
1919-20 Birmingham XI
1920-21 London XI
1921-22 Huddersfield XI
1922-23 Bolton and District XI
1923-24 Newcastle XI
1924-25 Sheffield Federated XI
1925-26 Bolton and District XI
1926-27 Cardiff XI
1927-28 Blackburn and District XI
1928-29 Bolton and District XI
1929-30 London XI
1930-31 Birmingham XI
1931-32 Newcastle XI
English Football Championship First Group
(Council teams under league system)
1932-33 London XI
1933-34 London XI
1934-35 London XI
English Football Championship Group A
(Society teams under league system)
1935-36 Sunderland Falcon
1936-37 Manchester Clarion
1937-38 London Arsenal
1938-39 Liverpool Red Banner
(Interrupted by war)
English Football Championship Group One
1946-47 Liverpool Clarion
1947-48 London Arsenal
1948-49 Portsmouth Partisan
1949-50 Portsmouth Partisan
1950-51 London Falcon
1951-52 Manchester Locomotive