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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State


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CPUSA endorsements for President of the United States of America

Senator Bernie Sanders / Representative Karen Bass (Democrat) (321 EV/52,5% PV)

“A Bernie Sanders presidency represents hope for needed change. It is our duty as communists to support his candidacy against the fascistic Trump/Pence regime”.

Comedian Jimmy Dore / Activist Princess Blanding (People’s) (0 EV/0,6% PV)

“In opposition to the forever wars, and in support of true student debt cancellation, the CPUSA endorses comrade Dore’s candidacy for president. The third party option is the only manner in which we can end American Imperialism”.

Venture Capitalist Andrew Yang / Reverend Wendy Hamilton (Forward) (0 EV/2,1% PV)

“The ‘Democratic Socialism’ of President Bass is nothing but a farce. The CIA’s overthrowal of the Venezuelan president Maduro is just more proof of that. That’s why we join other movements, from the left and the anti-imperialist right, in endorsing Yang’s road to the White House”.

2032: Commentator Tulsi Gabbard / Fmr. Senator David McCormick (Republican) (289 EV/46,5% PV)

“This ain’t your daddy’s Republican party anymore. They have come a long way since the nomination of Barry Goldwater, and today provide the true anti-imperialist option. Instead of continuing the current pro-big pharma healthcare system like VP Rasking is promoting, comrade Tulsi will break the capitalist lobbies that have dominated the country, and provide a true voice to the American working class

2036: President Tulsi Gabbard / Vice President David McCormick (Republican) (276 EV/47,6% PV)

“Do not be fooled be fooled by the AFL-CIO March, and the so called “Trade Union leader”. Sara Nelson is a continuation of the Bush-Obama-Sanders-Bass years of imperialist wars, workers’ oppression, and continued exploitation of the working class by woke capitalism. For a truly communist option, we must support President Gabbard, and give her four more years.

2040: Vice President David McCormick / Senator Bo Hines (Republican) (241 EV/45,2% PV)

“This election we are offered a choice between the continuation of the Gabbard Revolution or Kropotkinism under that San Francisco champagne socialist who’s name is not even worth mentioning. VP McCormick may not have been our first option, but he’s the only thing standing between a literal anarchist as president, and a blank cheque for Speaker Ocasio-Cortez to destroy our way of life”.

2044: Commentator Jackson Hinkle / Senator Christian Walker (Republican) [election to be held November, 5th 2044]

“If you, even for a single second, believe that the illegitimate president Belden is a Marxist-Leninist, you need to visit a doctor. As our good friend Tucker Carlson said, even a child with basic understanding of dialectics can see right through his lies, and this Saturday the American will people send him and his social nazis packing back to Gay Francisco”.

This scenario was inspired by lists made Blackentheborg and True Grit.


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You replaced the freshman Zionist Black NY Democrat Representative with the Zionist Black NY Democrat Representative.

Nah, but he’s better than Torres though.
Bowman at least votes left on issues other than the occupation, Torres' main claim to firebrand leftism is letting that prick McElwee share his coke once in a while.

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The Silkin Ministry - 1977-1982
  • Prime Minister: John Silkin
  • Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain: Owen Goronwy Roberts, Baron Goronwy-Roberts
  • Leader of the House of Commons & Deputy Leader of the Labour Party: Merlyn Rees
  • Chancellor of the Exchequer: Peter Shore (res. 1981); Eric Varley
  • Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Bryan Gould (res. 1981); Brian Sedgemore
  • Lord President of the Council: Peter Shore (res. 1981); Denzil Davies
  • Leader of the House of Lords and Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal: Elwyn Jones, Baron Elwyn-Jones (res. 1980); David Thomas Pitt, Baron Pitt of Hampstead
  • Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Michael Foot (res. 1979); Jack Dormand
  • Secretary of State for the Home Department: Roy Hattersley (res. 1979); Joan Lestor
  • Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Judith Hart (res. 1979); Norman Buchnan
  • Secretary of State for Defence: Denis Healey (res. 1979); Eric Varley (res. 1981); John Smith
  • Secretary of State for Education and Science: Neil Kinnock (res. 1979); Ted Graham
  • Secretary of State for Transport: Illtyd Harrington (res. 1980); Will Rodgers (res. 1982); Robert Hughes
  • Secretary of State for Employment: Ted Graham (res. 1979); Stanley Orme
  • Secretary of State for Health and Social Services: Gwynth Dunwoody (res. 1981); Alfred Morris
  • Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Maureen Colquhoun
  • Secretary of State for Scotland: Alex Eadie (res. 1981); Bruce Millan
  • Secretary of State for Technology and Industry: Austin Mitchell (res. 1981), Michael Meacher
  • Secretary of State for the Environment: Reg Freeson
  • President of the Board of Trade: Ian Mikardo (res. 1979); Anthony Benn (res. 1981); John Prescott
  • Secretary of State for Wales: Denzil Davies
  • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Roy Mason (res. 1978); Don Concannon
The Silkin Government was in many respects a five year experiment in implementing a Left Wing Labour manifesto after the Wilson Government’s failure to do so after it was destroyed by the devaluation crisis of 1967.

John Silkin, the bold and seemingly dynamic leader was from the Left of the Labour Party, a Tribune member and noted backbencher in his time, he’d lead the Leftist leadership attempt against Denis Healey in the 1975 Conference that lead to his victory. Silkin would set about attacking the Liberal propped up Conservative Government at every turn and offer a radical alternative for the people Britain. It was this alternative that people voted for in 1977.

Silkin had a Majority of thirty, the biggest for many years, to work with and he went about trying to implement his manifesto which included Workplace Democracy, reversing the economic liberalisation aspects that had occurred under Barber and overseeing the withdrawal of Britain from the EEC.

Plans would quickly divert, whilst Shore were able to reverse many of Barber’s Economic policies, the process of leaving the EEC would stall, popular opinion was mixed and Silkin realised that betting his premiership on Europe was a fools game. Silkin would end up promising to his mostly Eurosceptic cabinet that a referendum would occur before 1982.

Meanwhile plans for devolution had been started during the time of Barber, the establishment of new Greater Councils modelled on London across Britain was supported eagerly by Shore and Silkin. The more contentious example was the establishment of National Assemblies in Scotland and Wales, given how Healey’s bullish unionism was seen as having caused Labour’s narrow lose in 1974, Silkin decided to allow referendum to go ahead with some caveats like the referendum’s requiring a majority of the voting population to support it.

In 1979, the referendums would see Wales continue it’s status quo but Scotland by a narrow majority voting to support devolution. Reg Freeson and Alex Eadie suddenly found themselves having to manage the creation of the Scottish Assembly, with Silkin and Shore angered by the result but deciding better than to anger Scottish Nationalists. After fraught negotiations, the Scottish Parliament would form in 1980 and find itself voting in Bruce Millan, a fairly moderate Labour MP as it’s first First Secretary.

Meanwhile a reshuffle would occur, older MPs with connections to the Wilson Government would find themselves shuffled off to the backbenchers, the hope being that Silkin would now overwhelmingly gain a cabinet of his choice due to having a good standing within the PLP and public approval at the time. Even after the fallout of the ‘Kinnock affair’ in which young Education Secretary Neil Kinnock’s push closing down Private Schools would see a horrendous backlash, Silkin was still fairly popular.

1979 is often considered the watermark of the Silkin Government, with the opposition rather limp under the leadership of Keith Jospeh, the economy having bounced back thanks to the repealing of Barber’s liberalisation’s and Shore competent economic management, the devolution referendums whilst not particularly with the PLP were seen as having cooled the nationalistic fervour that had caused Labour loses previously.

Ted Graham’s push for workplace democracy would see the beginnings of the successful Democratic operation of British Leyland and Lucas Aerospace, bought out as there previous owners were unable to compete with competition from Japan and Europe. Nationalisation of several ailing companies would reduce unemployment and the ‘Graham-Mitchell Modern Economy’ scheme would see attempts to support the first buildings of the cooperative computing, technology and media companies in Britain.

Meanwhile Northern Ireland would see a level of peace not seen in some time, as Don Concannon following on from the controversial Roy Mason would manage to create a temporary truce between the British and numerous paramilitaries and would oversee the creation of the Northern Ireland Assembly which would consist of power sharing between Moderate Unionists, Non-Sectarians and Moderate Nationalists. An attempted Unionist strike would be aborted by Cancannon’s support for the assembly and would fizzle our after threats of British Soldiers dealing with the strikers caused the strikers to think again.

Social Liberalisation particularly under the new Home Secretary of Joan Lestor would see Scotland decriminalising Homosexuality, the Age of Consent being lowered to 18 for same sex couples (to the fury of Conservative’s and Gay Liberation Campaigners), protections and safeguards for ethnic minorities being implemented, marijuana being moved down to becoming a Class C drug and (thanks to push from Maureen Colquhoun, Silkin’s main political supporter) protections and provisions implemented for Sex Workers. This would provoke much gnashing of teeth and the media fury would begin trying to find targets.

Judith Hart had already been brought down due to her functional alcoholism being brought to light, Neil Kinnock had been shuffled out due to push for banning private schools and in 1980 Illtyd Harrington would find himself caught in a scandal due to his connections to the Kray Twins and his barely concealed homosexuality. Similar pushes would be brought against Maureen Colquhoun over her having divorced her husband and come out as a lesbian but Silkin felt he owed Maureen due to her support in the early years of his leadership so he stuck by her, unlikely Harrington who would be shuffled to the backbenchers and replaced by Will Rodgers in an attempt to appease the Right.

But things were about to come to ahead, in early 1980 after a break down with talks between Israel and other Middle Eastern nations like Egypt, followed by a revolution in Saudi Arabia lead to an oil crisis which rippled across the West. In America Udall would lose his reelection bid due to the recession that occurred and in Britain a wave of recession would also hit alongside threats at inflation.

Silkin decided to try implement anti-inflationary measures whilst trying to combat the recession but the firm Keynesian Shore refused. Instead his proposal of tariffs and devaluation made Silkin blanche but would give way to his stubborn Chancellor. The EEC would be furious and sensing blood in the water, the cabinet overwhelmingly supported calling a referendum on remaining a member of the EEC. Furious Silkin pondered a reshuffle but decided to go ahead with the referendum.

The 1981 EEC Referendum was overwhelmingly a shit show for the Government, with the new Conservative Peter Walker campaigning for remaining (to the amusement of many), Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe barnstorming the nation and many Labour MPs supporting staying, the referendum came off as out of touch with the real problems of the working people (which had been Silkin’s fear). Overwhelmingly the public voted to remain within the EEC and in response, Shore would lead a walkout of many Eurosceptic MPs from within the cabinet.

Silkin was horrified and his ensuing cabinet was mainly compromised of allies and members of the Labour Right who felt they could moderate the excesses of Silkin. Particularly Eric Varley, the former Secretary of Defence and a Labour Right Eurosceptic who felt the referendum had been a farce. Varley’s anti-inflationary budget whilst balancing the books, would anger Unions who find there members on the receiving end of cuts and low pay. Strikes would occur and Labour’s attempt to deal with a more militant Trade Union membership would fail horribly.

Compounding matters was a breakdown in the truce in Northern Ireland. Whilst Concannon tried to resolve the situation, the image of dead soldiers on television alongside strikers didn’t make the labour government look like it was in control.

The final nail for the Silkin Government was in the early Winter of 1982, the formation of the Democratic Party lead by Will Rodgers. Calling out the Labour government for it’s seeming inability to govern, it’s reckless referendum on Europe and it’s lack of moderation, the Democratic Party would briefly see a surge in the polls for it’s self. Additionally the various defecting MPs constituted much of Silkin’s remaining Majority with his governments suddenly reduced to a majority of one.

A brief poll upsurge for Labour in June 1982, represented a possible opportunity as the possible Democratic-Liberal alliance failed to launch and Walker’s business connections and his relationship to Jim Slater being scrutinised. But in the end it didn’t matter, Silkin and Labour was unpopular and nothing was going to change that. Walker would be elected with a majority of fifty and Silkin would resign a few months after.

The Silkin Government is often thought on the lines of it’s last two years in office, where Silkin’s inability to successfully combat strong personalities within his cabinet took hold. But for first three years of it’s existence the Government would successfully implement a variety of reforms that seemed to indicate that maybe Britain could become a Social Democratic country after all. Indeed the Workplace Democracy, Social liberal reforms, brief peace in Northern Ireland and Scottish Assembly are often fondly remembered by the public and activist alike even if the ending of Silkin’s tenure proved underwhelming and bleak...
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The First Walker Ministry - 1982-1986

  • Prime Minister: Peter Walker
  • Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain: Christopher John Soames, Baron Soames
  • Leader of the House of Commons: Paul Channon (res. 1984); David Howell
  • Chancellor of the Exchequer: Timothy Raison
  • Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Stephen Dorrell
  • Lord President of the Council & Chairman of the Conservative Party: Edward Du Cann
  • Leader of the House of Lords and Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal: Janet Mary Young, Baroness Young
  • Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Christopher John Soames, Baron Soames (res. 1984); Paul Channon
  • Secretary of State for the Home Department: Michael Heseltine
  • Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Elaine Kellett-Bowman
  • Secretary of State for Defence: William Whitelaw (res. 1984); George Younger
  • Secretary of State for Education and Science: David Hennessy, 3rd Baron Windlesham
  • Secretary of State for Transport: Norman Fowler
  • Secretary of State for Employment: Cecil Parkinson (res. 1985); Patrick Jenkin
  • Secretary of State for Health and Social Services: Peggy Frenner
  • Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Douglas Hurd
  • Secretary of State for Scotland: George Younger (res. 1984); Alick Buchanan-Smith
  • Secretary of State for Technology and Industry: Patrick Jenkin (res. 1985); Ian Gow
  • Secretary of State for the Environment: Alick Buchanan-Smith (res. 1984); John Gummer
  • President of the Board of Trade: Geoffrey Howe
  • Secretary of State for Wales: Peter Thomas (res. 1984); Wyn Roberts
  • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Airey Neave (res. 1983); Humphrey Atkins (res. 1985); Richard Alexander
Peter Walker in 1982 was elected on a mandate of returning Britain to some form of normality. Indeed the Walker had won his 1980 leadership election on a combination of that message and bringing in Centre-Right governance to Britain after Leftist excess, as Keith Jospeh was forced out due to his incompetence and general aloof nature.

Walker had a Majority of Fifty and a mandate to govern, but initially Walker wasn’t sure how he would govern. Walker had campaigned on a program he didn’t entirely believe, finding the embrace of Supply Side Economics and the European Economic Community by certain portions of the party repulsive to his sensibilities. But Walker wasn’t foolish either and he knew governing as old school Keynesian would not pay dividends.

Thankfully he had brought Timothy Raison as his Chancellor, a supporters of a more Liberal Economy and Balanced Books, Raison was not a fan of the conception of Supply Side seeing as leading to ‘Working Families, the backbone of society being left behind by those on the top’. Whilst his solution to deal with the British recession was a combination of austerity with incremental liberalisation of the British Economy, attempts were made to keep a flow of benefits to those who needed them, though often discussion on how effective this was is debated.

The years of 1982-1983 were fairly fraught, whilst Britain stumbled out of recession; other problems also emerged. The placement of Airey Neave in the Northern Ireland role had been controversial, his support for the proposed ‘Ulsterisation’ project that had caused Roy Mason’s original sacking wasn’t particularly popular with Nationalists or moderates in Northern Ireland. Compounding matters was whispers of Neave supporting the creation of so called SAS ‘hit squads’, whilst partially a fabrication, the suspicious deaths of several prominent Nationalist politicians and terrorist leaders threatened to cause the situation to boil over once again. Threats of the Northern Irish assembly breaking down again caused Walker to force Neave to resign and to be replaced with a more moderate figure.

The Economy began to improve in 1983 and employment began to raise, attention would turn further afield. Walker would support Bill Brock in continuing Détente but General Secretary Andropov’s continued support of the occupation of Afghanistan and Poland did cause tensions. It was only with his death in 1984 and the raise of Gorbachev that any form of negotiations or renewed discussions could occur. Meanwhile Britain would find itself supplying weapons to Chile and Argentina during there war over the Beagle Channel. Indeed Walker’s awkward support for Southern American Dictatorships and South Africa (mainly influenced by his first foreign minister) cast an awkward shadow over Walker tenure as Prime Minister.

On Domestic Matters, with the Economy improving, Walker would pursue the ‘New Jerusalem’ project, a series of plans to have Britain be a more ‘Green and Pleasant’ land, a series of new National parks would be built, environmental regulations brought into place and the controversial creation of the ‘Coal Reduction Scheme’ which was to wean Britain off coal by the end of the decade, mainly through the building of Nuclear Power Plants and increasing funding for research into renewables. Whilst Walker did partially do it out of a environmental interest, reducing coal reduction also played into dismantling the Trade Unions.

Indeed the initially choice of Employment Secretary Cecil Parkinson was controversial and seen as too dogmatic by Walker. When Walker and Raison eagerly proposed an Industrial Democracy scheme based on the German model, Parkinson attacked it rather openly and would resign. The more moderate Patrick Jenkin would support the scheme which additionally would help cause the break up of the British Trade Unions in the 80s, due to it including a clause against Closed Shops, leading a surge of moderate Trade Unions forming who Walker eagerly targeted as potential voter base.

Walker over the course of his first term seemed determined to target Britain’s Aspirational Working Class as future Tory voters, plans to create a Right To Buy scheme were put in place for Walker’s Second Term and the ‘Britain Business’ loans scheme attempted to partially support Small Businesses as they started up would prove popular with a generation who aspired for more beyond there parents. What wasn’t seen at the time was Walker also supporting the carving up of Britain’s Corporations that had dominated the previous years, the asset stripping would provide fuel for a slow motion Economic boom that was to occur over the 80s.

By the end of his first term, Walker was popular and had started reshaping Britain into something resembling his own image, whilst it wasn’t the old fashioned Keynesian Christian Democracy he had once aspired for, it resembled his aspirations closely enough.

When polling day came, Walker would find himself gaining another majority having added an extra fourteen seats to his preexisting Majority. Happy with the result, the Walker Cabinet merrily wandered into a second term, not seeing the trouble that lay ahead...


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The best observation about JD Vance I ever saw was that he should have moved to the Northeast and become a moderate Chris Sunuu-type Republican. Liberals loved Hillbilly Elegy, between that and the anti-Trump stuff he could have been able to successfully market himself as the type of Republican liberals love and then actually hold office.
POD: Hillbilly Elegy comes out in like 2014 or something IDK

Career of J. D. Vance
2014-2017: Public speaker, political commentator, Republican
2017-2018: Primary candidate for Governor of Massachusetts, Republican
2018 primary: J. D. Vance def. Geoff Diehl, Thomas M. Hodgson, etc
2018: Nominee for Governor of Massachusetts, Republican
2019-2022: 73rd Governor of Massachusetts, Republican
2018: J. D. Vance (Republican) def. Martha Coakley (Democratic-incumbent), others
February 9, 2022: Vance decries Pres. Donald Trump's tweet to 'send ILLEGAL border-crossers to Mars' as “stupid and bigoted”
February 26, 2022: MAGOP, RGA, RNC, etc formally endorse Vance primary challenger Shiva Ayyadurai for Governor
March 9, 2022: Vance formally changes party registration to Independent

2022-2023: 73rd Governor of Massachusetts, Independent
April 18, 2022: Vance formally files for re-election as an independent candidate
2022: Candidate for Governor of Massachusetts, Independent
2022: Joe Kennedy III (Democratic) def. J. D. Vance (Independent-incumbent), Shiva Ayyadurai (Republican)
2023-2024: Public speaker, political commentator, lecturer at Yale Law School, Independent
2024: National Co-Chair for the Martin Heinrich 2024 presidential campaign, Independent
2024 presidential election: Pete Buttigieg / Katie Porter (Democratic) def. Mike Pence / Doug Collins (Republican-incumbent), Donald Trump Jr. / Matt Shea (MAGA)
2025-2028: United States Ambassador to India
Nominated by: Pete Buttigieg
Confirmation vote: 77-19

2028-2030: Public speaker, political commentator, lecturer at Yale Law School, Independent
2029-2030: Primary candidate for Governor of Massachusetts, Democratic
2030 primary: J. D. Vance def. Seth Moulton, Michelle Wu, etc
2030: Nominee for Governor of Massachusetts, Democratic
2031-2035: 77th Governor of Massachusetts, Democratic
2030: J. D. Vance (Democratic) def. Karyn Polito (Republican), Sonia Chang-Diaz (Green), others
2031-2032: Primary candidate for President of the United States, Democratic
2032 primary: Chokwe Antar Lumumba def. Stephanie Murphy, Darren Soto, J. D. Vance, others
2035-2035: Public speaker, political commentator, lecturer at Yale Law School, Independent
2035-2036: Candidate for President of the United States, Independent (de jure Forward!)
2036 primaries: J. D. Vance def. Tulsi Gabbard, Evan Low, Adam Kinzinger, others
2037-present: 49th President of the United States, Forward!
2036: J. D. Vance / Benji Backer (Forward!) def. Chokwe Antar Lumumba / John Schlossberg (Democratic), J. R. Majewski / Charlie Kirk (Republican)

And if you ask "do you have a presidents list to go with this?"
absolutely yes
i have a problem
Presidents of the United States of America
2017-2023: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence): def. Hillary Clinton / Julián Castro (Democratic)
2020 (with Mike Pence): def. Elizabeth Warren / Doug Jones (Democratic)

2023-2025: Mike Pence (Republican)
2025-2033: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic)
2024 (with Katie Porter) def. Mike Pence / Doug Collins (Republican-incumbent), Donald Trump Jr. / Matt Shea (MAGA)
2028 (with Katie Porter) def. Josh Hawley / Lauren Boebert (Republican), Andrew Yang / Joe Rogan (Independent)

2033-2037: Chokwe Antar Lumumba (Democratic)
2032 (with John Schlossberg) def. Andrew Yang / Tulsi Gabbard (Forward!), Dan Patrick / Bo Hines (Republican)
2037-0000: J. D. Vance (Forward!)
2036 (with Benji Backer) def. Chokwe Antar Lumumba / John Schlossberg (Democratic), J. R. Majewski / Charlie Kirk (Republican)

Democratic: #6699FF
Republican: #FF6666
Independent: #C2AF8B
MAGA: #9365B8
Forward: #33CCFF
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1963-1968: Lester B.Pearson (Liberal)
1963 (Minority) def. John Diefenbaker (Progressive Conservative), Robert N. Thompson (Social Credit), Tommy Douglas (New Democratic)
1965 (Minority) def. John Diefenbaker (Progressive Conservative), Tommy Douglas (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Ralliement créditiste), Robert N. Thompson (Social Credit)

1968-1972: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1968 (Majority) def. Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative), Tommy Douglas (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Ralliement créditiste), A.B. Patterson (Social Credit)
1972-1974: Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative)
1972 (Minority) def. Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), David Lewis (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Ralliement créditiste)
1974-1979: Bob Andras (Liberal)
1974 (Majority) def. Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative), David Lewis (New Democratic), Rèal Caouette (Social Credit)
1979-1980: Claude Wagner (Progressive Conservative)†
1979 (Majority) def. Bob Andras (Liberal), Allan Blakeney (New Democratic), André-Gilles Fortin (Social Credit)
1980-1984: Jack Horner (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1984-1985: Allan Blakeney (New Democratic)
1984 (Minority) def. Francis Fox (Liberal), Jack Horner (Progressive Conservative), André-Gilles Fortin (Social Credit)
1985-: Francis Fox (Liberal)
1985 (Majority) def. Allan Blakeney (New Democratic), David Crombie (Progressive Conservative), André-Gilles Fortin (Social Credit)

“In the hazy, turbulent Summer of 1984, Jean Patrick-Manchette would find himself in Canada, with discussions of adapting his hit novel Fatale (1977) into a film. Indeed the possibility of Denys Arcand leading the adaption seemed likely, but in the end went nowhere.

Whilst the adaptation and discussions remained in limbo, Manchette would watch the controversial 1984 Canadian Election unfold in which the Liberals and Progressive Conservative’s found themselves awash in scandals, the Quebec question inflaming itself again and the New Democratic’s Socialist messaging briefly clicking with portions of the public.

Manchette as an former Left Wing activist from the 68’ Generation was fascinated and decided to stay for the season as unfolded. The tumultuous election and it’s shocking result seeing the New Democratic Party forming a Minority Government under Allan Blakeney and it’s subsequent tense aftermath would provide the temporal setting for Manchette’s 1985 novel ‘Here And Now’, a thriller that signal his escape from his previous writings within the Noir and ‘neo-polar’ genres”

Here And Now (1985) is a physiological thriller written by Jean-Patrick Manchette, set in Montreal in 1984 it follows René a former student radical now a middling television producer in an unhappy marriage with his wife Sara. In the midst of a Middle Life Crisis, René finds himself drawn to the nightlife and back ally’s of Montreal in an attempt to find an escape from his dull life. Through visits to a club he finds himself drawn to Jean, a young rebellious type who René grows close with. But when Jean disappears and a series of grisly murders seem to occur in the wake of the disappearance, René finds himself being confronted with forces very much out of his control.

Like much of Jean Patrick-Manchette’s work a political lens and Marxist analysis is frequently used throughout the story. Similar to West Coast Blues (1976), the story follows a former student radical thrown into chaotic series of events, but whilst West Coast Blues provides analysis on the 68’ Generation dejection and apathy upon entering the world of work and families, Here And Now details them trying to regain the exhilaration of that time through increasingly desperate measures.

Indeed one of René’s friends Martin is Candidate for Parliament, deliberately campaigning as a Left Wing sovereigntist purely out of boredom with his current job as a University Lecturer, merrily telling René about the controversy he’s been stirring up. Indeed the political legacy of the time looms large in the background, discussions about who’s causing the killings range from an Anarchist proclaiming that those killed are activists being killed by Police Death Squads (with many references to Claude Wagner and Jack Horner, indeed René admits with great shame that he voted for Wagner in 79’) to a Right Wing colleague of René saying it’s Leftist Nationalist Terrorists. In the end it’s neither with the deaths being tied by more human and emotional reasons than anything political.

Whilst the ending is incredibly dated and lurid (with it being fixed in Brad Fraser’s 1995 adaptation which additionally makes much of the homoerotic subtext between René and Jean text) the book offers a well written and fascinating time capsule into turbulent time in Canadian history...”

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Leaders of the official British Government after WW3

1962-1983 Harold Macmillan (Conservative)

1983-1990 Sir Alec Douglas Home (Conservative and Unionist Majority)

1983: Sir Alec Douglas Home-Conservative and Unionist [82],Ted Heath-CDP [10],Andrew Cunningham-Labour [6],Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru [3]
1988: Sir Alec Douglas Home-Conservative and Unionist [80],Ted Heath-CDP [11],Andrew Cunningham-Labour [7],Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru [3]

1990-2004 Sir John Gilmour (Conservative and Unionist Majority)
1993: Sir John Gilmour-Conservative and Unionist [78],Ted Heath-CDP [12],Jack Cunningham-Labour [8],Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru [3]
1998: Sir John Gilmour-Conservative and Unionist [76],Ted Heath-CDP [13],Jack Cunningham-Labour [9],Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru [3]
2003: Sir John Gilmour-Conservative and Unionist [73],Edward Maudling-CDP [14],Jack Cunningham-Labour [10],Meinir Evans-Plaid Cymru [4]

2004-present day Michael Forsyth (Conservative and Unionist Majority)
2008: Michael Forsyth-Conservative and Unionist [71],Edward Maudling-CDP [15],Jack Cunningham-Labour [11],Meinir Evans-Plaid Cymru [4]
2013: Michael Forsyth-Conservative and Unionist [69],Edward Maudling-CDP [16],David Davis-Labour [12],Meinir Evans-Plaid Cymru [4]
2018: Michael Forsyth-Conservative and Unionist [67],Diana Macleod-CDP [17],David Davis-Labour [13],Meinir Evans-Plaid Cymru [4]
2023: Michael Forsyth-Conservative and Unionist [64],Diana Macleod-CDP [18],Dominic Cummings-Labour [15],Meinir Evans-Plaid Cymru [4]

Warlords/Kings of the South East/Kentish Union

1962-1964 disputed leadership

1964-2012 Paddy Roy Bates/Roy I (People’s Unity and Salvation Front,House of Bates after 1972)

2012-present day Michael I (House of Bates)


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Apologies for my painfully inaccurate description of Glenn Greenwald. Not that I give two shits about whether I accurately described the fucker.
Hinkle/Walker is the future of the GOP, whether you like it or not.
This, but about 20 years early.

Political career of Donald Trump
1996-1997: Member of the Pat Robertson Presidential Transition Committee, Republican
1997-2001: Member of the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, Republican
Nominated by: Pat Robertson (Republican)
1997-2001: Media commentator, business mogul, etc, Republican
2001-2002: Primary candidate for U.S. Senate in Illinois, Republican
2002 primary: Donald Trump def. Jim Thompson, Bruce Rauner, etc
2002: Nominee for U.S. Senate in Illinois, Republican
2002: Roland Burris (Democratic-inc) def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2002-0000: Political commentator, business mogul, etc, Republican
2003-2004: Primary candidate for U.S. President, Republican
2004 primary: Sam Brownback def. Rick Lazio, Brian Kemp, Donald Trump, etc
2023-2024: National Co-Chair for the Glenn Greenwald (then Glenn Greenwald / Donald Trump Jr.) presidential campaign, Republican

Presidents of the United States of America

1989-1997: Tom Bradley (Democratic)
1988 (with George McGovern) def. Bob Dole / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1992 (with George McGovern) def. William Roth / Dick Armey (Republican)

1997-2001: Pat Robertson (Republican) [removed from office after January 5 Capitol Attack]
1996 (with Orrin Hatch) def. Geraldine Ferraro / Jim Blanchard (Republican)
2001-2001: Orrin Hatch (Republican)
2001-2005: George McGovern (Democratic)
2000 (with Carol Moseley Braun) def. Pat Robertson / Orrin Hatch (Republican)
2005-2009: Carol Moseley Braun (Democratic)
2004 (with John Breaux) def. Sam Brownback / Liddy Dole (Republican)
2009-2017: Bob McDonnell (Republican)
2008 (with Mary Fallin) def. Carol Moseley Braun / John Breaux (Democratic), Jesse Ventura / Liz Warren (Americans Elect)
2012 (with Mary Fallin) def. Tom Barrett / Chris Murphy (Democratic), Jesse Ventura / Buddy Roemer (Americans Elect)

2017-2025: Jeff Merkley (Democratic)
2016 (with Fiona Ma) def. Mary Fallin / Ken Blackwell (Republican)
2020 (with Fiona Ma) def. Neil Gorsuch / Mark Green (Republican)

2025-0000: Fiona Ma (Democratic)
2024 (with Tim Ryan) def. Glenn Greenwald / Donald Trump Jr. (Republican), Adam Kinzinger / Bill Kristol (Country First)

Basically Donald Trump functions as a proto-Herschel Walker, and everything else sort of falls into place.

Democratc: #FF6666
Republican: #0099CC
Americans Elect: #669966
Country First: #9999CC
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1997-2001: Pat Robertson (Republican) [removed from office after January 5 Capitol Attack]
1996 (with Orrin Hatch) def. Geraldine Ferraro / Jim Blanchard (Republican)
2001-2001: Orrin Hatch (Republican)
2001-2005: John Glenn (Democratic)
2000 (with Carol Moseley Braun) def. Pat Robertson / Orrin Hatch (Republican)
I think someone like Boone Pickens or especially Morry Taylor would make a better 90's Trump analogue.


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I think someone like Boone Pickens or especially Morry Taylor would make a better 90's Trump analogue.
A billionaire with an unimpressive record in the markets, a xenophobic streak that manifested as protectionism and paranoia, and a regionally-accented voice and distinctive face lending themselves to parody? Gotta be Ross the Boss.


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Not nearly as racist, petty, misogynistic, bankrupt, amoral or plain nasty.
But what if Ross went on a diet exclusively consisting of Big Macs and uppers?

Anyways, my personal "Trump but earliers" are Clayton Williams (odious oilman and the first GOP nominee for governor against Ann Richards) or Jack Welch. I think Welch has potential as the 90s version of "skeevy businessman who appeals to a certain subset of the GOP base"- although rather than speaking to WWC types and right-wing nationalists, Welch is the consummate asset-stripping libertarian.


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Here's an idea: (Year)-punk lists where we try to guess how commentators at the time might have predicted future elections from their own perspective. You can probably go maybe 20 years into the future from then before you start running out of plausible candidates.

One could do this for any era (e.g. it'd probably be fairly possible to look up speculation in the Gilded Age US for future candidates) but it's obviously easiest when it's an era one's lived through. For example, here's my forward-looking list from circa early 2006 when I first started hearing about US politics on forums.

List of Presidents and Vice-Presidents of the United States, 2001-2021
2001-2009: George W Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000 def: Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2004 def: John Kerry / John Edwards (Democratic)

2009-2017: Hillary Clinton / Mark Warner (Democratic)
2008 def: Rudy Giuliani / Condoleezza Rice (Republican)
2012 def: Sam Brownback / Rick Santorum (Republican), Ron Paul / Matt Stone (Libertarian), Michael Moore / Ralph Nader (Green)

2017-????: George Pataki / Lynn Swann (Republican)
2016 def: Barack Obama / Tom Vilsack (Democratic), Tom DeLay / Ann Coulter (Constitution)