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wikipedia is really funny because of how it wants to avoid alternate theories or something like look at the phrasing of this:

Hyman A. Pressman (April 23, 1914 – March 15, 1996) served as the Comptroller of Baltimore City, Maryland, from 1963–1991. He ran for Governor of Maryland in 1966 as an Independent after the Democratic Party nominated segregationist George P. Mahoney as its candidate.

Pressman's gubernatorial candidacy may have been a spoiler for Mahoney. Had the 10% of the vote received by Pressman instead gone to Mahoney, Spiro Agnew would have lost the 1966 gubernatorial election by a narrow margin. Had Agnew not been elected governor of Maryland in 1966, it is unlikely that he would have been chosen as Richard Nixon's vice-presidential running mate in 1968.
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this makes me think of a really funny tl where mahoney somehow unites the democrats and agnew loses, but is for some reason still tapped by nixon (pause) for vice president


The Greatest Loser - Or, the Political History of Spiro Agnew

Political Career of Spiro Agnew
1962-1966: Executive of Baltimore County, Maryland: Republican
1962 def. Michael Birmingham (Democratic)
1966: Republican candidate for Governor of Maryland
1966 faced: George Mahoney (Democratic)
1967-1968: Private Citizen (Maryland): Republican
1968: Republican nominee for vice-president
1968 def. Fred Harris (Democratic)[1], Ezra T. Benson (American Independent)
1969-1970: Acting President of the United States: Republican
1970-1973: Vice President of the United States: Republican
Serving alongside: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1972: Republican primary candidate for President
1972 faced: Ronald Reagan, Nelson Rockefeller, Thruston Morton, Jim Rhodes
1972: Independent candidate for President
Running with: Mark Hatfield
1972 faced: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), Ronald Reagan (Republican), George Wallace (American Independent)
1973-1978: Private Citizen (Florida): Republican
1979-1985: Governor of Florida: Republican
Serving alongside: Jack Eckerd
1978 def. Bruce Smathers (Democratic), Claude Kirk (Independent)
1982 def. Bob Graham (Democratic)
1985-1990: President of the United States, Republican
Serving alongside: Lewis Lehrman (1985-1986[2]), vacant (1986-1987), Thomas Moorer (1986-1990)
1984 def. Edward Mezvinsky (Democratic)[1], James Maher (National Conservative)
1988 def. William Roy (Democratic), Julian Bond (New Alliance), James Maher (National Conservative)[3]
1990 Impeachment: Successful [69-22, 301-119]
1990-1993: Prisoner [Washington D.C.], Republican
1993-1996: Private Citizen, United America[4]

Presidents of the United States:
vacant/Spiro Agnew (Republican) 1969-1970
Hubert Humphrey/Spiro Agnew (Democratic/Republican) 1970-1973
1968 def. Hubert Humphrey/Fred Harris (Democratic), Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew (Republican), George Wallace/Ezra T. Benson (American Independent)
Hubert Humphrey/John C. West (Democratic) 1973-1977
1972 def. Ronald Reagan/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican), Spiro Agnew/Mark Hatfield (Independent), George Wallace/Ezra T. Benson (American Independent)
Ed Davis/Ralph Tyler Smith (Republican) 1977-1981
1976 def. John C. West/Milton Shapp (Democratic)
Edward Mezvinsky/Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic) 1981-1985
1980 def. Ed Davis/Ralph Tyler Smith (Republican)
Spiro Agnew/Lewis Lehrman[2] (Republican) 1985-1986
Spiro Agnew/vacant (Republican) 1986-1987
Spiro Agnew/Thomas Moorer (Republican) 1987-1990
Thomas Moorer/vacant (Republican) 1990-1990
Thomas Moorer/Richard Cheney (Republican) 1990-1993
1984 def. Edward Mezvinsky (Democratic)[1], James Maher (National Conservative)
1988 def. William Roy (Democratic), Julian Bond (New Alliance), James Maher (National Conservative)[3]
1990 Impeachment: Successful [69-22, 301-119]
Rudy Perpich/Wayne Dowdy (Democratic) 1993-2001
1992 def. Thomas Moorer/Richard Cheney (Republican)
1996 def. Oliver North/Bob Dornan (United America), Pierre Rinfret/Lowell Weicker (Independence)

idk what else happens but israel cooked


[1] Won popular vote
[2] Killed by Albanian Mob
[3] Finished below 5%, but finished second in Kansas
[4] After the impeachment of Agnew, the mainstream of the Republican Party changed the name to the "United America Party", but this prompted a split, as the UAP was generally more conservative, and led by "paleoconservative" thinkers. As such, the "Independence Party" was formed by more liberal ex-Republicans. Neither would enter office for more than a decade.
 
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what if jesse jackson was reverse george wallace (strategy wise) and was using the democratic party as a springboard to form his own party

also for some reason iacocca runs in 1988 and gets strong-armed into making jackson his VP

he beats on pat robertson after he wins and the liberal wing walks out

anyway iacocca gets killed in 1991 by some plane attack

jackson uses this to get re-elected in 1992, but pretty quickly turns his campaign into the creation of a rainbow coalition party, which is influenced by these fellers

anyway, republicans get word of this and do jackson like the feds did henry wallace, release a memo connecting him to various radical left wing groups, calling him "unamerican" and after they win in a 1994 sweep, impeach him for financial misuse of PUSH, putting jackson's vice president, the moderate still-democrat jim folsom jr., at president

in 1996, republicans storm to the presidency by nominating oliver north, who of course is senator ittl, but the rainbow party finishes second in a four-way-race after nominating jackson's secretary of education ron daniels

the rest kinda happens as it happens tbh

Presidents of the United States [First Republic]:
Lee Iacocca (Democratic) 1989-1991
Jesse Jackson (Democratic) 1991-1993
Jesse Jackson (Rainbow) 1993-1995
Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic) 1995-1997
1988 def. (with Jesse Jackson) Pat Robertson (Republican), Pete duPont (Independence)
1992 def. (with Jim Folsom Jr.) Trent Lott (Republican), Lowell Weicker (Independence)
Oliver North (Republican) 1997-2001
Oliver North (National Unity) 2001-2005
1996 def. (with John Ensign) Ron Daniels (Rainbow), Jim Folsom Jr. (Democratic), Donald Trump (Independence)
2000 def. (with Jay Rockefeller) [leading Republican-Democratic-Independence alliance] Ralph Nader (Rainbow)
Bernard Freeman[1] (Rainbow) 2005-2007
Bernard Freeman (Confederation of United Americans Against Imperialism - CUAAI)[2] 2007-2009
Michael Flynn (Military) 2009-2010
2004 def. (with Jim Hightower) Frank Keating (National Unity)
2008 def. [contested] (with Wilma Chan) Kelsey Grammar (Independent)

end of first republic


Presidents of the United States [Second Republic]:
Michael Flynn (National Alliance) 2010-2016
2010 def. Joe García (Liberal)
Ted Turner (Liberal) 2016-????
2016 def. John Ensign (National Alliance), Ryan Murdough (National Labor), Andrew Halcro (Community), Jesse Jackson Jr. (Independent [backed by CUAAI-Moderate faction])


[1] known professionally as "Bun B"
[2] Party name change came after attempted 2007 coup. banned after successful january 6, 2009 coup.
 
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It is not a far stretch to imagine that if Agnew had contested corruption charges half as hard as Nixon denied culpability for Watergate – as Goldwater and several other stalwart conservatives wanted him to – today we might be speaking of Agnew-Democrats and Agnewnomics, and deem Agnew the father of modern conservatism.[207]
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god i love spiro agnew

Presidents of the United States:
Spiro Agnew/vacant (Republican) 1974-1974
Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican) 1974-1977
William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic) 1977-1981
1976 def. Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican), Tom McCall/Charles Mathais (Third Force)
Spiro Agnew[1]/Bill Brock (Republican) 1981-1983
Bill Brock/vacant (Republican) 1983-1983
Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican) 1983-1989
1980 def. William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic), Ed Brooke/Charles Mathais (Third Force), Fred Harris/Barbara Jordan (Economic Democracy)
1984 def. Bess Myerson/Tony Coehlo (Democratic), Jerry Brown/John B. Anderson (Third Force), Fred Harris/Ron Dellums (Economic Democracy)
Walter Cronkite/Richard Lamm (Third Force [with Economic Democracy backing]) 1989-1993
Walter Cronkite/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Conscience & Concern[2]) 1993-1997
1988 def. Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican), William Gray/Al Gore (Democratic), Evan Mecham/George Hansen (True Conservative)
1992 def. Bo Gritz/John Andrews (Republican)
James Traficant/Arne Carlson (Republican) 1997-2001
1996 def. Robert Kennedy Jr./John Y. Brown Jr. (Conscience & Concern), Elie Hirschfeld/various (Independent)



[1] Assassinated by the Jewish Defense League
[2] Unification of Democratic, Third Force, and Economic Democracy parties
 
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gentleman biaggi said:
Unification of Democratic, Third Force, and Economic Democracy parties
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This is frankly brilliant--a big-tent coalition of all the unsatisfiable weirdos who vote generic third-party in OTL (socialists, radical centrists, and... let's be polite and say "single-issue voters concerned with their bodily fluids"), who, in classic American fashion, only get elected because the choice is between socialism and a black man.

gentleman biaggi said:
[1] Assassinated by the Jewish Defense League
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gentleman biaggi said:
James Demjanjuk Traficant
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Going to assume these two things are just a little bit connected.
I imagine this is...not a fun timeline to be Jewish in.
 
Walpurgisnacht said:
This is frankly brilliant--a big-tent coalition of all the unsatisfiable weirdos who vote generic third-party in OTL (socialists, radical centrists, and... let's be polite and say "single-issue voters concerned with their bodily fluids"), who, in classic American fashion, only get elected because the choice is between socialism and a black man.




Going to assume these two things are just a little bit connected.
I imagine this is...not a fun timeline to be Jewish in.
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oh yea get ready for some real fun times after “new right king” spiro agnew is killed by the JDL
 
gentleman biaggi said:
god i love spiro agnew

Presidents of the United States:
Spiro Agnew/vacant (Republican) 1974-1974
Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican) 1974-1977
William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic) 1977-1981
1976 def. Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican), Tom McCall/Charles Mathais (Third Force)
Spiro Agnew[1]/Bill Brock (Republican) 1981-1983
Bill Brock/vacant (Republican) 1983-1983
Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican) 1983-1989
1980 def. William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic), Ed Brooke/Charles Mathais (Third Force), Fred Harris/Barbara Jordan (Economic Democracy)
1984 def. Bess Myerson/Tony Coehlo (Democratic), Jerry Brown/John B. Anderson (Third Force), Fred Harris/Ron Dellums (Economic Democracy)
Walter Cronkite/Richard Lamm (Third Force [with Economic Democracy backing]) 1989-1993
Walter Cronkite/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Conscience & Concern[2]) 1993-1997
1988 def. Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican), William Gray/Al Gore (Democratic), Evan Mecham/George Hansen (True Conservative)
1992 def. Bo Gritz/John Andrews (Republican)
James Traficant/Arne Carlson (Republican) 1997-2001
1996 def. Robert Kennedy Jr./John Y. Brown Jr. (Conscience & Concern), Elie Hirschfeld/various (Independent)



[1] Assassinated by the Jewish Defense League
[2] Unification of Democratic, Third Force, and Economic Democracy parties
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What the actual fuck am I looking at
 
gentleman biaggi said:
god i love spiro agnew

Presidents of the United States:
Spiro Agnew/vacant (Republican) 1974-1974
Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican) 1974-1977
William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic) 1977-1981
1976 def. Spiro Agnew/James Buckley (Republican), Tom McCall/Charles Mathais (Third Force)
Spiro Agnew[1]/Bill Brock (Republican) 1981-1983
Bill Brock/vacant (Republican) 1983-1983
Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican) 1983-1989
1980 def. William Proxmire/Reubin Askew (Democratic), Ed Brooke/Charles Mathais (Third Force), Fred Harris/Barbara Jordan (Economic Democracy)
1984 def. Bess Myerson/Tony Coehlo (Democratic), Jerry Brown/John B. Anderson (Third Force), Fred Harris/Ron Dellums (Economic Democracy)
Walter Cronkite/Richard Lamm (Third Force [with Economic Democracy backing]) 1989-1993
Walter Cronkite/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Conscience & Concern[2]) 1993-1997
1988 def. Bill Brock/Paula Hawkins (Republican), William Gray/Al Gore (Democratic), Evan Mecham/George Hansen (True Conservative)
1992 def. Bo Gritz/John Andrews (Republican)
James Traficant/Arne Carlson (Republican) 1997-2001
1996 def. Robert Kennedy Jr./John Y. Brown Jr. (Conscience & Concern), Elie Hirschfeld/various (Independent)



[1] Assassinated by the Jewish Defense League
[2] Unification of Democratic, Third Force, and Economic Democracy parties
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This fucks
 
wish we lived in the tl where the carolina cougars stayed around and the kings kept on doing the kansas city-omaha thing
 
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