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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Japhy

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That actually works really well at illustrating the primaries.
Excellent. I wouldn't use it for most lists but thats a project where the Primaries are at least half the story. And I figure every once in a while its a good thing to offer a look at.
 

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Excellent. I wouldn't use it for most lists but thats a project where the Primaries are at least half the story. And I figure every once in a while its a good thing to offer a look at.
My only two criticisms are
1) Your presentation of the names are overly formal
2) By your rules, I think it should be E. Gerald Brown Jr. since Jerry is a diminutive of Gerald
 

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My only two criticisms are
1) Your presentation of the names are overly formal
2) By your rules, I think it should be E. Gerald Brown Jr. since Jerry is a diminutive of Gerald
I've always done my names that way? But as to the second point you're correct. I always just did it that way because in his fathers case "Pat" comes from nothing.
 

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Presidents of the United States
1901-1905: William McKinley / Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)

1900: William J. Bryan / Adlai E. Stevenson I (Democratic)
1905-1909: Joseph B. Foraker / John D. Long (Republican)
1904: William R. Hearst / J. Hamilton Lewis (Democratic)
1909-1911: John A. Johnson / Charles A. Towne (Democratic)
1908: Joseph B. Foraker / John D. Long (Republican)
1911-1913: Charles A. Towne / vacant (Democratic)
1913-1921: Theodore Roosevelt / Charles E. Merriam, Jr. (Republican)

1912: William J. Bryan / George E. Chamberlain (Democratic), Robert M. La Follette, Sr. / T. Woodrow Wilson (Progressive), William D. Haywood / William W. Cox (Socialist)
1916: John Burke / Bird S. Coler (Democratic), Robert M. La Follette, Sr. / Allan L. Benson (Farmer-Labor), Eugene V. Debs / C. Katherine Richards O’Hare (Socialist)
1921-1925: Theodore Roosevelt / John M. Parker (Republican)
1920: Thomas R. Marshall / Edward L. Doheny (Democratic), Independent Electors (National Write-In)
1925-1927: Woodbridge N. Ferris / Lawrence D. Tyson (Democratic)
1924: Irving L. Lenroot / James R. Garfield (Republican), William Z. Foster / Burton K. Wheeler (American Labor)
1927-1933: Woodbridge N. Ferris / Hanford MacNider (Democratic / Independent)
1927 Vice Presidential Referendum: Approved
1928: John M. Parker / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican), Frank T. Johns / Hellen A. Keller (American Labor)
1933-1937: Kermit Roosevelt / Henry A. Wallace (Republican)
1932: William Langer / Newton D. Baker (Democratic), William Z. Foster / Upton B. Sinclair, Jr. (National Labor)
1937-1941: Kermit Roosevelt / Henry L. Stinson (Republican)
1936: Paul V. McNutt / Norman M. Thomas (Democratic)
1938 Recall Referendum: Declined
1941-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Tyrus R. Cobb (Republican)
1940: Harry S. Truman / W. Branch Rickey (Independent Republican), Paul V. McNutt / Cordell Hull (Democratic)
1945-1953: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Alfred M. Landon (Republican)
1944: William O. Douglas / John W. Brickner (Independent Republican)
1948: Unopposed
1950 Recall Referendum: Approved
1950: Earl Warren / Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (National League)
1953-1957: Revilo P. Oliver / Walter W. Waters (Republican)
1952: Unopposed
1957-1965: Revilo P. Oliver / Mark W. Clark (Republican)
1956: Richard M. Nixon / George S. Patton (Independent Republican)
1960: Albert C. Wedemeyer / John T. Flynn (Independent “Washingtonian” Republican)
1965-1967: James Roosevelt II / Theodore S. Williams (Republican)
1964: Unopposed
1966 Recall Referendum: Approved
1967-1969: Audie L. Murphy / Walter F. Mondale (Independent - American Veterans Council)
1967: James Roosevelt II / J. Strom Thurmond (Republican)
1969-1973: O. Eugene Faubus / Robert H. Merriman (Solidarity Front)
1968: Lyndon B. Johnson / George L. Rockwell (Independent)


Presidents of the United States (Paris Government)

1942-1949: Cordell Hull / William L. Mitchell (Democratic)
1949-1950: Huey P. Long / F. Henry LaGuardia (America First)
1950-1953: Huey P. Long / Nelson A. Rockefeller (America First)
1953-1957: Huey P. Long / John S. Service (America First)
1957-1961: Huey P. Long / Robert S. McNamara (America First)
1961-1965: Louis C. Miriani / Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (America First)
1965-1968: O. Eugene Faubus / Wayne L. Morse (America First)



Theodore Roosevelt was not suited for the Vice Presidency, and his four years in it seemed to him to be akin to having been buried alive. Making a hassle of himself for the McKinley Administration he would become the first Vice President to leave the country in a century when he agreed to be dispatched in 1902 to Venezuela, for a joint summit between that nation, its overseas debtors and the ABC states of South America. In the end the European states accepted a repayment plan from Caracas while the United States became pledged to ensure the end of gunboat diplomacy by European States in regards to financial issues. Taking his time to come home Roosevelt would earn himself his Ironic Nobel Peace Prize when he helped organize a ceasefire in the Columbian Civil War shortly thereafter, and secured access in the isthmus of Panama for the long-sought for US Canal project. Returning stateside he would find himself often bored to tears constantly presiding in the Senate and quietly eyeing a return to the Statehouse in Albany, all the while quietly building up forces to take on Boss Platt and the other rulers of the New York GOP. Joseph Foraker would offer him the Vice Presidential nomination twice, both of which times TR declined, and in 1905 he returned to Albany as Governor and went to war, ending with him collecting the scalps he sought and the 1908 Elections in New York including a referendum on a New State Constitution, which passed. Comfortably reelected in a Democratic Year, he steered the ship of the Empire State though four years of Populist, Anti-Wall Street economics and made a name for himself as the countries leading Activist Progressive. With the Democratic government crippling itself with squabbling and hair-brained agrarian politics, TR was able to convince Republican Conservatives to support him in 1912 and won all but the most radical reformers to his side, and would go on to swiftly win the White House for himself.

In 1913 conflict in the Balkans saw Europe erupt in War, Roosevelt would in a fit of pique challenge the British Blockade by pressing the battleship USS Texas into mail delivery duty to Hamburg. While the Kaisers, Sultan and King of Italy all fantasized about the First Lord of the Admiralty ordering the Texas to be fired upon, the War in Europe would remain away from the United States for some time, though Roosevelt would see major reforms of the State Militia Systems and Congressional funding for the Army and Navy dramatically increased. In 1915 though the decrepit President of Mexico Porfirio Diaz finally died, in a matter of weeks the regime he had led for decades collapsed as General Reyes launched a coup against the unpopular Vice President Limantour and his Cientifico clique. The coup only partly succeeding the country fell into civil war between the two Porfirian factions, anarcho-communists, liberals and bandits all adding into the drama. With American investments at risk and American citizens being killed on both sides of the border, Roosevelt called up the State troops, took his new Army and began the American Intervention. Within months the War would require a draft, and America was in a quagmire on a scale it could not have imagined. US forces would not enter Mexico City for two years, not "secure the country" for another year and at which point combat devolved into the Guerrilla Horror that had once been seen in the Philippines, except this time it would occasionally come home to California, New Mexico and Texas. In 1916 Roosevelt would beat off two Peace candidates. In 1917 Russia fell into Revolution and Roosevelt would dispatch a US Naval Squadron and troops to Manchuria, and establish agreements with the Japanese to keep Communism out of China and its periphery. In Europe Germany would resort to Unrestricted Submarine Warfare against the British and the United States would finally be dragged into the War with the US Battlefleet sailing to Scapa Flow to join the fight against modernist piracy. France pleaded but the Army would not follow. 1918 would see Paris under the gun and a French Armistice, birthing a stab in the back myth that would last for a Generation. Britain continued to fight in the Middle East and the North Atlantic for Another Year, with the United States lending supplies and money. War with Germany would see intense political crackdowns in the US including the banning of the Socialist Party. At the same time though, domestically, even as two wars raged, Roosevelt sought to transform America, with agencies to regulate Wall Street and the Trusts, The Creation of a new National Bank, Constitutional Amendments about the Direct Election of Senators, rights to recall, referendums, bans on Child Labor and votes for women. New Federal Departments were formed, though some were less useful then others, such as the often Eugenics focused Department of Health Insurance which introduced a voluntary system of free Health Care across America, so long as sterilization could be enacted on those it deemed unworthy of having children.

Roosevelt won in 1920, inspite of the wars, and the creeping militarism and authoritarianism at home. He would see Peace come to Europe mostly, the triumph of the Social Revolutionaries in Russia, the establishment of the Madero Government in Mexico and "peace" there. He was trilled by it, and somehow maintained a great deal of popular support even when the Republicans were hobbled by the 1922 Midterms. The cost of his administration was high, a quarter of a million Americans were dead who would otherwise have been alive for the Wars. And yet somehow he managed to leave office popular with much of the country and having established a political legacy of authoritarian reform. In 1924 the remnants of the Republican Opposition would prevent John Parker from serving as his chiefs successor, but then they lost the election as well. And the years to follow would see what Roosevelt had unleashed by opening Pandoras box continue on, with Paramilitary societies, militarization, increasing nationalism and scientific racism defining American Politics for nearly the next half century. With his death in 1930 he did not see his son win the White House two years later, but then he also didn't see the collapse of the two party system, his failures, the national convulsion that followed the stolen election of 1940. Nor would he see the small-minded US government fall behind in many technological ways that meant that the War of the League of Nations (1947-1950) would see the United States prevail against the Tri-Power Alliance of France, Germany and Russia but with the cities of its West Coast left in irradiated ruins as a result.
 
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Ramsay MacDonald (Labour minority, then National Government: National Labour) 1931-1935
1929: def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative) and David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1931: def. Arthur Henderson (Labour)
Stanley Baldwin (National Government: Conservative) 1935-1937
1935: def. Clement Attlee (Labour)
Neville Chamberlain (National Government: Conservative) 1937-1940
Archibald Sinclair (National Government: Liberal) 1940-1945
Clement Attlee (Labour) 1945-1950
1945: def. Archibald Sinclair (National Government: Liberal) and Winston Churchill (Constitution)
Archibald Sinclair (National Coupon: Liberal) 1950-1963
1950: def. Clement Attlee (Labour), James Maxton (Independent Labour) and Megan Lloyd George (Cymru Rydd)
1954: def. Clement Attlee (Labour Alliance: Labour)
1957: def. Aneurin Bevan (Labour Alliance: Labour) and Megan Lloyd George (Cymru Rydd)
1961: def. Richard Crossman (Labour)
Alec Douglas-Home, 14th Earl of Home (National Coupon: Scottish Unionist) 1963-1969
1964: def. Harold Wilson (Labour)
Edward Heath (National Coupon: Liberal) 1969-1973*
1969: def. James Callaghan (Labour)
Enoch Powell (National Coupon: Conservative, then Conservative minority) 1973-1974
Roy Jenkins (Labour) 1974-1979
1974: def. Harold Macmillan (Liberal), Enoch Powell (Conservative) and William Whitelaw (Scottish Unionist)
1978: def. Michael Heseltine (National Alliance: Liberal)
Michael Heseltine (
National Alliance: Liberal) 1979-1990
1979: def. Roy Jenkins (Labour) and Gwynfor Evans (Cymru Rydd)
1982: def. Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1986: def. David Owen (Labour)
David Owen (Labour) 1990-1998

1990: def. Michael Heseltine (National Alliance: Liberal) and Teddy Taylor (Taylor for PM: Scottish Unionist)
1994: def. John Major (National Alliance: Liberal)
John Major (
National Alliance: Liberal) 1998-2002
1998: def. David Owen (Labour)
Vince Cable (Labour) 2002-2009

2002: def. John Major (National Alliance: Liberal) and Paddy Ashdown (Democratic)
2006: def. David Cameron (National Alliance: Liberal)
Cherie Booth (Labour, then minority supported by Greens) 2009-2014
2010: def. David Cameron (National Alliance: Liberal) and Jeremy Corbyn (Radical Change: Green)
David Miliband (Labour minority) 2014
David Cameron (National Alliance: Liberal) 2014-2017
2014: def. David Miliband (Labour) and Jeremy Corbyn (Green)
Tim Farron (National Alliance: Liberal, then minority) 2017-
2018: def. Ed Miliband (Labour) and Caroline Lucas (Green)

As the controversial firmly-religious Tim Farron reels from almost losing control to Labour led by the rather uninspiring brother of their last Prime Minister, many in the Liberal Party wonder if it's time to change him with perhaps Cameron or Cameron's ally Nick Clegg, while there is a small part that wonder that perhaps in their lust for power, that they lost what made them Liberal, hollowed the party out to become one of power
 
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Ty Cobb? The baseball player?[

"Revilo P. Oliver" sounds like a name you'd use to commit credit card fraud.
Yes and definitely yes.

Something fashy this way comes and all that.

Cobb actually served in an Artillery Unit in WWI alongside Branch Rickey and Christy Mathewson actually so I was kind of an injokes for me and sort of made sense as part of the radicalization of the troops.

Oliver was a rather Fascist piece of shit that was one of the first right wing figures that William F. Buckley denounced at the National Review in his campaign against conspiracy theorist and Anti-semetic "intellectuals", so he's easy enough to imagine as a creeping Fascist.
 

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Just a random bit of OTL-based fun:
Prime Ministers of the Republic of Cambria
1999-2000 Alun ap Leslie (Labour minority)

1999: def. Dafydd ap Elfyn (Plaid Cymru), Rhodri ap Ifor (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2000-2009 Rhodri ap Tomos (Labour minority, then Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Plaid Cymru coalition)
2003: def.
Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2007: def. Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2009-2018 Carwyn ap Caron (Labour-Plaid Cymru coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Liberal Democrat coalition)
2011: def. Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
2016: def. Leanne ferch Avril (Plaid Cymru), Andras ap Dafydd (Conservative), Nathan ap Ronald (UKIP), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
 

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Just a random bit of OTL-based fun:
Prime Ministers of the Republic of Cambria
1999-2000 Alun ap Leslie (Labour minority)

1999: def. Dafydd ap Elfyn (Plaid Cymru), Rhodri ap Ifor (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2000-2009 Rhodri ap Tomos (Labour minority, then Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Plaid Cymru coalition)
2003: def.
Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2007: def. Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2009-2018 Carwyn ap Caron (Labour-Plaid Cymru coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Liberal Democrat coalition)
2011: def. Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
2016: def. Leanne ferch Avril (Plaid Cymru), Andras ap Dafydd (Conservative), Nathan ap Ronald (UKIP), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
Delicious!

Except I first read it as Republic of Cumbria... was expecting viking names
 

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Just a random bit of OTL-based fun:
Prime Ministers of the Republic of Cambria
1999-2000 Alun ap Leslie (Labour minority)

1999: def. Dafydd ap Elfyn (Plaid Cymru), Rhodri ap Ifor (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2000-2009 Rhodri ap Tomos (Labour minority, then Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Plaid Cymru coalition)
2003: def.
Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2007: def. Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Michael ap Arthur (Liberal Democrat)
2009-2018 Carwyn ap Caron (Labour-Plaid Cymru coalition, then Labour minority, then Labour -Liberal Democrat coalition)
2011: def. Niclas ap Sion (Conservative), Ieuan ap Sion (Plaid Cymru), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
2016: def. Leanne ferch Avril (Plaid Cymru), Andras ap Dafydd (Conservative), Nathan ap Ronald (UKIP), Cristyn ferch Gwilym (Liberal Democrat)
That's pretty awesome.

And just to pointlessly add on to this...

Plaid leader: Adam ap Rufus
Labour contesters: Vaughan ap Dafydd, Eluned ferch Hopcyn, Marc ap ...

oh. I can't find who was Mark Drakeford's father anywhere
 

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That's pretty awesome.

And just to pointlessly add on to this...

Plaid leader: Adam ap Rufus
Labour contesters: Vaughan ap Dafydd, Eluned ferch Hopcyn, Marc ap ...

oh. I can't find who was Mark Drakeford's father anywhere
I hadn't been able to find Vaughan's either (or Kirsty Williams or Andrew RT Davies's, and I'm not completely certain about Ieuan Wyn's)
For Mark specifically I could only get stuff about his son's recent conviction and it was just too depressing.
 

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This certainly shows why patronymic surnames [or matronymic, as I notice you had Leanne use] works better than the Saxon system :p
Half because I couldn't find a way to Cambrify Jeff, half because it's meant to be imitation Iceland (where they exist but are rare) and she seemed the most likely to (maybe Gill, given the little I found out about his background, but it ultimately doesn't seem in character for him personally).
Technically I suppose I should have changed Avril to Afril on reflection.
(The other thing I was thinking about is, that as well as how UKIP would obviously have a different name, is that in a TL with such an aggressively Cymraeg-speaking independent Wales as this, ironically lists like this in English would probably translate Plaid because there'd be no reason not to, or maybe give all the others in Welsh too).
 

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Half because I couldn't find a way to Cambrify Jeff, half because it's meant to be imitation Iceland (where they exist but are rare) and she seemed the most likely to (maybe Gill, given the little I found out about his background, but it ultimately doesn't seem in character for him personally).
Technically I suppose I should have changed Avril to Afril on reflection.
Jeff is another form of Geoff which is short for Geoffrey which is Sieffre in Welsh, I believe? Still, she's definitely the type to go matronymic

Nathan Gill seems the type to just say "I'm not changing my name for the Welsh" or something and be the only Saxon-sounding name
 

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Jeff is another form of Geoff which is short for Geoffrey which is Sieffre in Welsh, I believe? Still, she's definitely the type to go matronymic

Nathan Gill seems the type to just say "I'm not changing my name for the Welsh" or something and be the only Saxon-sounding name
Yeah.
Also a valid point.
 
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