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I like the concept, but unfortunately it wouldn’t be constitutional - the President is only allowed to serve two terms in total, not consecutively.
Look a bit closer:I like the concept, but unfortunately it wouldn’t be constitutional - the President is only allowed to serve two terms in total, not consecutively.
2012: Plaintiff in Donald Trump v United States (5 in favor 4 against)
not sure what to thinkStanding here,
I realize
you were just like me
trying to make history.
But who's to judge
the right from wrong
When our guard is down
I think we'll both agree.
That violence breeds violence.
But in the end it has to be this way.
Political Career of Bernie Sanders
1981 - 1988: Mayor of Burlington - Independent
1981 (General Election) def: Gordon Paquette (Democrat), Richard Bove (Independent)
1983 (General Election) def: Judy Stephany (Democrat), James Gilson (Republican)
1985 (General Election) def: Brian D. Burns (Democrat), Diane Gallagher (Independent)
1987 (General Election) def: Paul Lafayette (Democrat)
1985 - 1986: Candidate for Governor of Vermont - Independent
1986 (General Election) def by: Madeleine M. Kunis (Democrat), Peter Smith (Republican)
1989 - 1995: U.S. Representative from Vermont - Independent
1988 (General Election) def: Peter Smith (Republican), Paul N. Poirier (Democrat)
1990 (General Election) def: Peter Smith (Republican)
1992 (General Election) def: Tim Philbin (Republican)
1995 - 2005: U.S. Senator from Vermont - Independent
1994 (Democratic Primary) def: Jan Backus, Douglas M. Costle
1994 (General Election) def: Jim Jeffords (Republican), Gavin T. Mills (We The People)
2000 (General Election) def: Jack McMullen (Republican)
2005 - 2009: President of the United States of America - Democrat
2004 (Democratic Primaries) def: Janet Reno, Evan Bayh, William Burns, Chaka Fattah
2004 (General Election) with Barbara Lee def: Donald Trump / Dan Quayle (Republican), Lincoln Chaffee / William Weld (Independent Republican)
2008 (Democratic Primaries) def: Lawrence Summers
2008 (General Election) with Barbara Lee def by: Donald Trump / Jim Webb (Republican)
2009 - 2013: Private Citizen, Activist
2013 - 2017: President of the United States of America - Democrat
2012 (Democratic Primaries) def: John F. Kennedy Jr., Naomi Wolf, Niki Tsongas
2012 (General Election) with Barack Obama def: Donald Trump / Jonn Reed (Republican), Ron Paul / Karen Kwiatkowski (Libertarian)
2017 - 2019: Private Citizen, Activist
2019 - 2021: U.S. Senator from Vermont - Democrat
2018 (Democratic Primary) def: Howard Dean
2018 (General Election) def: Randy Brock (Republican)
2021 - 20__: President of the United States of America - Democrat
2020 (Democratic Primaries) def: scattered
2020 (General Election) with John Fetterman def: Donald Trump / Steve Bannon (Republican)
2024 (Democratic Primaries) def: unopposed
2024 (General Election) with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez def: Donald Trump / Donald Trump Jr. (Republican) disputed
Political Career of Donald Trump
1987 - 1988: Candidate for President of the United States of America - Republican
1988 (Republican Primaries) def by: George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, Pat Robertson
1989 - 1990: U.S. Representative from New York’s 31st district - Republican, Conservative, Right to Life
1988 (Republican Primary) def: unopposed
1988 (General Election) def: David J. Swarts (Democrat)
1989 - 1990: Candidate for Governor of New York - Republican, Conservative
1990 (Republican Primary) def: Pierre Rinfret
1990 (General Election) with Herbert London def by: Mario Cuomo / Stan Lundine (Democrat, Liberal)
1990 - 1994: Private Citizen, Businessman
1992 - 1992: Co-chair of Ross Perot 1992 New York Campaign
1992 (General Election): Paul Tsongas / Al Gore (Democrat), George H. W. Bush (Republican), Ross Perot / John Silber (Independent)
1994 - 2001: Mayor of New York City - Republican, We The People, Liberal
1993 (Republican Primary): George J. Marlin
1993 (General Election): David Dinkins (Democrat)
1997 (Republican Primary): Eric Adams
1997 (General Election): Al Sharpton (Democrat)
2001 - 2005: President of the United States of America - Republican, We The People
2000 (Republican Primaries) def: George W. Bush, Elizabeth Dole
2000 (General Election) with Dan Quayle def: Bob Kerrey / Evan Bayh (Democrat)
2004 (Republican Primaries) def: Lincoln Chaffee
2004 (General Election) with Dan Quayle def: Bernie Sanders / Barbara Lee (Democrat), Lincoln Chaffee / William Weld (Independent Republican)
2005 - 2009: Private Citizen, Media Personality, Businessman, Author
2009 - 2013: President of the United States of America - Republican
2008 (Republican Primaries) def: Henry Bonilla, Susan Molinari
2008 (General Election) with Jim Webb def: Bernie Sanders / Barbara Lee (Democrat)
2012: Plaintiff in Donald Trump v United States (5 in favor 4 against)
2012 (Republican Primary) def: Ron Paul
2012 (General Election) with John Reed def: Bernie Sanders / Barack Obama (Democrat), Ron Paul / Karen Kwiatkowski (Libertarian)
2013 - 2013: Private Citizen, Media Personality, Businessman, Activist
2013 - 2017: U.S. Senator from Florida - Republican
2013 Special (Republican Primary) def: Charlie Crist
2013 Special (General Election) def: Pam Iorio (Democrat), Charlie Crist (Independent)
2017 - 2021: President of the United Stayes of America - Republican
2016 (Republican Primaries) def: William Weld
2016 (General Election) with Roy Moore def: Barack Obama / Marcy Kaptur (Democrat), Michael Bloomberg / David Petraeus (Independent)
2020 (Republican Primaries) def: unopposed
2020 (General Election) with Steve Bannon def by: Bernie Sanders / John Fetterman (Democrat)
2021 - 2023: Private Citizen, Media Personality, Businessman, Activist
2023 - 2025: U.S. Representative from Florida’s 21st district - Republican
2022 (Republican Primary) def: unopposed
2022 (General Election) def: Alcee Hastings (Democrat)
2023 - 2025: Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives - Republican
2023 def: Nina Turner (Democrat)
2025 - 20__: President of the United States of America - Republican
2024 (Republican Primaries) def: unopposed
2024 (General Election) with Donald Trump Jr. def: Bernie Sanders / Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) disputed
Presidents of the United States of America
1989 - 1993: George H. W. Bush / Jack Kemp (Republican)
1988 def: Gary Hart / Dick Celeste (Democrat)
1993 - 1993: Paul Tsongas / Al Gore (Democrat)
1992 def: George H. W. Bush / Jack Kemp (Republican), Ross Perot / John Silber (Independent)
1993 - 2001: Al Gore / Bob Kerrey (Democrat)
1996 def: Bob Dole / Carroll Campbell (Republican), Ross Perot / Linda Smith (We The People)
2001 - 2005: Donald Trump / Dan Quayle (Republican, We The People)
2000 def: Bob Kerrey / Evan Bayh (Democrat)
2005 - 2009: Bernie Sanders / Barbara Lee (Democrat)
2004 def: Donald Trump / Dan Quayle (Republican), Lincoln Chaffe / William Weld (Independent Republican)
2009 - 2013: Donald Trump / Jim Webb (Republican)
2008 def: Bernie Sanders / Barbara Lee (Democrat)
2013 - 2017: Bernie Sanders / Barack Obama (Democrat)
2012 def: Donald Trump / John Reed (Republican)
2017 - 2021: Donald Trump / Roy Moore (Republican)
2016 def: Barack Obama / Marcy Kaptur (Democrat), Michael Bloomberg / David Petraeus (Independent)
2021 - 2025: Bernie Sanders / John Fetterman (Democrat)
2020 def: Donald Trump / Steve Bannon (Democrat)
2025 - disputed between Bernie Sanders / Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) and Donald Trump / Donald Trump Jr. (Republican)
The European Federation is a proper state, full federalism, and that has implications on Britain. That's basically what I meant really.Nice! Lovely to see a distant future thing. What do you mean by "this new dynamic" - the council of presidents - or is there other things on your mind?
Was about to complain about thus name before I remembered it's OTLRebekah Proletariyati (Communist)
Ohhh,very good.Major Leaders of the World Circa. 1943
The Great Concord
The Great Concord was originally established in 1936 by the United Kingdom, France, Japan and the newly formed Second Hellenic Republic as a potential bulwark against the Internationals and the Pact of Iron. Czechoslovakia would join two years later after the May 38’ Border Crisis and America after the chaotic and fairly isolationist period of Douglass Buck and Floyd B. Olson in 1942 under new President Millard Tydings attempt to force America out of it long period of isolation in the aftermath the Great War.
- United States of America: President Millard Tydings | Vice President Joseph C. O'Mahoney (Democratic)
- United Kingdom: King George VI (Windsor) | Prime Minister Albert V.Alexander (Labour)
- The Third French Republic: President Michel Auguste Adolphe Landry (Independent) | Prime Minister Pierre Laval (National Rally)
- Empire of Japan: Emperor Hirohito (Yamato) | Prime Minister Hitoshi Ashida (Rikken Seiyukai)
- Second Hellenic Republic: President Nikolaos Plastiras (Liberal Party) | Prime Minister Georgios Papandreou (Liberal Party)
- Republic of Czechoslovakia: President Edvard Beneš (Czech National Social Party) | Prime Minister Zdeněk Fierlinger (Czech Social Democratic Party)
Politically the Great Concord is represented mainly by Constitutional Democracies, with the United Kingdom, Second Hellenic Republic, Czechoslovakia and America currently represented by politicians from the Centre Left with Social Democratic or Social Liberal and Left Wing Internationalist perspectives to there policies. Japan is firmly under a Centre-Right Democratic Government coming out of a period of political turmoil and chaos (which included several coup attempts by Army officers) which lead to the banning of groups on the Extreme Left and Right. France is currently in a peculiar state, after a period of economic strife, political turmoil and a failed coup attempt by groups lead by Pierre Taittinger has lead to Prime Minister Pierre Laval creating a ‘Republican Centre’ party called National Rally, which is a seemingly syncretic party comprised of members from Left and Right of France’s political spectrum, that has been described as ‘Boulangist’ by some as political party’s and dissdents from Left and Right are finding themselves being arrested or exiled.
The Third International
Initially founded in 1920 by the Central Revolutionary Committee, the Third International original tenants were Marxist-Leninism and Luxemburgism but as the Twenties shifted into the Thirties, and with the failure for the Soviet Union to successfully establish itself, the ideology over time has shifted. Still proclaiming itself to be based in Luxemburg’s philosophy, the actual practical application of this lacking.
- Third International Bloc: General Secretary Heinrich Brandler (Communist Party of Germany)
- People's Republic of Germany: General Secretary Paul Levi (Communist Party of Germany) | Premier Max Levien (Communist Party of Germany)
- People's Republic of Austria: General Secretary Otto Bauer (League of Democratic Socialists) | Premier Karl Steinhardt (Communist Party of Austria)
- People's Republic of Hungry: General Secretary József Pogány (Hungarian Working People's Party) | Premier Árpád Szakasits (Hungarian Working People's Party)
- Transcaucasian Soviet Republic: General Secretary Alexei Rykov (Russian Communist Party) | Premier Sergei Kirov (Russian Communist Party)
Instead over the course of the Thirties and the split with the Italian Social Republic the Third International has become more of a isolationist One Party Social Democracy (for the most part) of sorts, though recent attempts by Heinrich Brandler to engage in internationalist ideals has caused the Third to embrace electorally successful Communist Parties in Finland and Denmark. The One Party aspect of the International has slipped in Austria, as the AustroMarxist faction, grating at being sidelined by the Austrian Communist establishment, formed there own political faction and found themselves making gains and controls of the Central Committee of the region in the 1935 election, with the Communist Party and League of Democratic Socialists swapping positions depending on elections.
The Transcaucasian Soviet Republic is the only member of the International not connected by landmass, being a rump state of the Soviet Union, formed from Caucasian SSR’s and Russian Territory around the city of Leningrad (formerly Tsaritsyn). Despite continuing to follow the Marxist-Leninist line instead of the Third’s Luxembergist line, the Transcaucasian Soviet Republic is firmly part of the Third International mainly due to needing someone to help conduct international diplomacy on it’s behalf due to the Russian Republic still claiming it as sovereign territory. Currently under Rykov attempting to continue his support for New Economic Program in an attempt to industrialise and modernise the nation with active support from the Third in its attempts.
The Fourth International
Formed in 1935, the Fourth has proclaimed itself to follow a ‘Marxist-Sorelist’ line of National Syndicalist thought, primarily concocted by Rossoni and Bombacci it proclaims a heady mix of Syndicalism, Nationalism and Atheistic Radicalism which appeals to certain portions of the world.
- The Fourth International Bloc: Il Duce Edmondo Rossoni (United Proletarian League)
- The Italian Social Republic: General Secretary Nicola Bombacci (United Proletarian League)
- The Republic of Spain: Prime Minister Vicente Uribe Galdeano (United Proletariat Bloc) | General Secretary Eusebio Rodríguez Salas (United Proletariat Bloc)
- The Republic of Mexico: President Abelardo L. Rodríguez (National Revolutionary Party) | General Secretary Tomás Garrido Canabal (National Revolutionary Party)
The Italian Social Republic formed the Fourth International following a falling out over the continued expansion of the Italian Empire under ‘Socialist Liberation’ and Bombacci’s purges of political opponents. Deciding to take a different tack to Berlin, the Fourth started appealing to Left Wing Nationalist groups and providing the resources, money and political education, the process has lead to mixed results.
Whilst several nations have become engaged in full on insurgencies and terrorist groups educated and financed by Rome, out of all there Fourth International groups, only there Spanish counterparts have actually managed to form a nation for themselves. Additionally the failure of these groups have delayed Rome’s continued expansion in the Mediterranean.
The Democratic Spanish Republic has only just come out of nearly a decade of revolution, coups and Civil War with the Proletarian Bloc being the main victors. But despite being able to form a government and control most of the country, the regions of Catalonia and Basque are still very much dealing with Anti-NatSynd insurgencies. Not helping matters is that the the Bloc has had almost consistent purges and having to deal with Portuguese troops engaging in border skirmishes. The likely hood of the nation lasting long, is unlikely.
The Republic of Mexico seems like a random member of the International, given how it borders America and is neutral on most international issues. Much of it can be dated back to Italian support for the Calles regime during the Cristero War, being one of the few to actively support Calles efforts, with equipment, troops and weapons making there way to the exhausted Mexican Army. In return, Calles and his successors would proclaim there support for Italian endeavours including joining the International, supported by the more Radical Left Wing members of the National Revolutionary Party (like Tomás Garrido Canabal and his Red Shirts faction). Despite being part of the Fourth International apart from it’s Anti-Clerical nature and incorporation of Labour into Government matters, Mexico particularly under President Abelardo L. Rodríguez is more of a Technocratic Corporatist state if anything and American overtures in recent years seem to make the possibility of disaffiliating from the Fourth a reality in the near future.
The Pact of Iron
Formed in 1930, following the aftermath of Russia’s intervention against Japanese forces in Manchuria and the Russo-Chinese Pact of that year, the Pact of Iron combines said Pact with Russia’s attempt some to create a so called Pan-Slavic alliance against ‘Bolshevism and Militarists’. Given how most of the nations involved are now controlled by military juntas or military supported regimes, the second one seems ironic.
- Russian Republic: President Vladimir D. Nabokov (Kadet) | Prime Minister Lavr Kornilov (Independent leading 'Solidarity Bloc')
- Republic of China: Premier Wang Jingwei (Kuomintang) | General Secretary Li Jishen (Kuomintang)
- Kingdom of Yugoslavia: King Alexander I (Karađorđević) | Prime Minister Milan Stojadinović (Yugoslav Radical Union)
- Tsardom of Bulgaria: Tsar Boris III (Saxe-Coburg & Gotha-Koháry) | Prime Minister Damyan Velchev (National Union)
- Kingdom of Greece: King Alexander I (Glücksburg) | Prime Minister Ioannis Rallis (National Democratic Party)
The Russian Republic survived the Civil War but dealing with a shell shocked nation overcoming a World War followed by a Civil War provided to Ben difficult for the nascent Democracy. Whilst attempts to keep democracy alive by the Kadets and Socialists Revolutionaries have allowed the structures of democracy to still exist, much of the government has been captured by interests of Industry and Military in recent years. The Presidency of Nabokov has attempted to reestablish control and his appointment of Lavr Kornilov as Prime Minister is an attempt to use his star power and seeming pro-democratic leanings to force Russian Democracy to re-emerge and deal with corruption.
The Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Tsardom of Bulgaria and the Kingdom of Greece all share similar forms of governments, autocratic monarchs supported by military juntas and political yes men is the way to go for them. Each one has been experiencing it’s own turmoil though as Yugoslavia is dealing with Croatian forces supported from Rome, Bulgaria’s Tsar is sickly due to a heart condition and gives over more power to the military each day and the Greek Kingdom is one more Republican offensive away from collapsing entirely, indeed King Alexander has already fled to Corfu to escape terrorist plots. Mainly the Pact is kept together through fear of Italian invasions particularly in the aftermath of Albania’s occupation several months ago.
China is an odd addition to the Pact, with the Republic being primarily ran by members from the Left Kuomintang who supposedly take more Socialistic, Left Wing stances on Chinese liberation. Whether the Republic actually lives up to this varies on the perspective but with Japan spending much of the Thirties saver rattling and engaging in battles with Chinese and Russian forces, Jingwei decided that being friendly with Russia under a seemingly Progressive Democratic Government made more sense than kowtowing to Japan. Indeed Jingwei has used to remaining time to crush any Pro-Japanese warlords and preparing China for possible hostilities in times to come.
The Intermarium
Originally attempted by Piłsudski during his Sanatation regime as an attempt organise a bloc of influence outside of the Third International and the Russian Republic (and rebuild the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth), the ball would actually start rolling after his death in 1935 and the ‘May Coup’ in 37’ which lead to the beginnings of the return of Polish Democracy. A bulwark between Communism and Corrupt Democracy of Russia, the Intermarium is a rather random bunch of people.
- Second Republic of Poland: President Wladyslaw Sikorski (Independent) | Prime Minister Stanisław Mikołajczyk (Centrolew)
- Republic of Latvia: President Marģers Skujenieks (Camp of National Unity) | Speaker Jānis Balodis (Camp of National Unity)
- Republic of Estonia: State Elder Johan Laidoner (National Centre Party) | Chairman Kaarel Eenpalu (National Centre Party)
- Republic of Lithuania: President Ernestas Galvanauskas (Peasants Union) | Prime Minister Leonas Bistras (Lithuanian Christian Democratic Party)
- People’s Republic of Ukraine: Director Symon Petliura (Ukrainian Socialist National Party)
The Second Polish Republic and the Republic of Lithuania are the only two actually democratic nations of the alliance, as coups by Pro-Democracy forces would lead to the return of democracy in both nations. Both have rather Centrist democracy’s, Poland’s leans Leftward whilst Lithuania is Rightward. Both are shakily coming back from the authoritarian regimes of the past couple decades, less can be said for there other allies.
In reaction to the growing groups on Right and Left in the aftermath of the economic downturn at the start of the Thirties and general government instability, Estonia and Latvia would fall to Coups and become dominated by Government compromised of Authoritarian Centrist Corporatist Juntas often dubbed as being ‘Kemalist’ in nature, there mainly contained within the alliance due to fears of economic stagnation and Russian invasion. There not fond of Poland and Lithuania’s returns to democracy though and are trying to undermine it wherever they can.
Ukraine started out as being an attempt at a Social Democracy and much of it’s early Democratic Politics was various groups on the Left trying to build a successful Left Wing Democracy, but several failed coup attempts, a stagnant economy and fears of Russian invasion in the early 30s has lead to the domination of Symon Petliura as Director of Ukraine. Whilst still seemingly committed to Socialism, Democracy and Modernisation, the nation has engaged in more autocratic measures in recent years particularly with the arrests of dissidents, Jews and intellectuals and the creation of a Upper House dominated by allies of Petliura which is the effective government of the country.
World Building for a novel I plan to write in November, I could have also done a number of sections on alliances in South America, Asia and Africa as well as Commonwealth leaders but this was already long enough and diverting away from the point as is. Formatting inspired by @Meppo
True, I have a handwave in the form of ‘German and Austrian troops head over the border to support there Hungarian Comrades’ and probably after a length border conflict Romania gets the Transylvania region fully and is forced to concede when other neighbours start staring at Romania hungrily.Ohhh,very good.
Hard to see Hungary remain Communist though,the Romanian government wouldn't allow that.
Nah,it’s a good idea,it works.True, I have a handwave in the form of ‘German and Austrian troops head over the border to support there Hungarian Comrades’ and probably after a length border conflict Romania gets the Transylvania region fully and is forced to concede when other neighbours start staring at Romania hungrily.
Or something, any justified hand-waves you have are greatly appreciated.
Additionally I was going to include the Kingdom of Romania into one of the alliances, but I realised quickly that it probably wouldn’t join any of them and stake there own claims for themselves.
I’ll keep a note of that because that could be an amusing piece of world building (the story whilst set in the Mediterranean will discuss stuff outside of it) and kind of the thing of this world is that despite there being No-Fascism as we know it, the Right Wing Corporatist structures that came about in the 20s and 30s are still very much there (indeed doing research for the various world leaders made me realise how commonplace theNah,it’s a good idea,it works.
It would be interesting seeing Carol’s National Rebirth Front going on and on and on til Carol dies in ‘51 in a No WW2 world,
especially since before 1940 Carol invested a lot in making stadiums and trying to get Romania be the host of the 1944 Olympics,
which honestly? Not that hard per se.
This is such a clever way to do a write up of a list! I often privately bemoan the lack of detail with lists and generally default to quite long descriptions of each leadership. But what I really want is to see what the world is like for people in it and imagine it for a little while. This does that really well.Five Phrases To: Understand British Politics With!
Thanks, you're too kind.This is such a clever way to do a write up of a list! I often privately bemoan the lack of detail with lists and generally default to quite long descriptions of each leadership. But what I really want is to see what the world is like for people in it and imagine it for a little while. This does that really well.
This is such a clever way to do a write up of a list! I often privately bemoan the lack of detail with lists and generally default to quite long descriptions of each leadership. But what I really want is to see what the world is like for people in it and imagine it for a little while. This does that really well.
Back when the cooperative lists thread was a thing, they were always most interesting when people were collaborating on vaguely clickbait formats like 'Seven Myths About Nazi Occupied Britain.'Thanks, you're too kind.
I do like doing formats like this, mostly because I tend to think about what forces, big issues, and vibes are shaping the list and just sort of backfill in most of the people involved, but I do very much stand by this style. If you wanted to describe current British politics to someone, you wouldn't rattle off what May did and what Boris did like an Anglo-Saxon chronicler, you'd talk about Brexit and Momentum and COVID.
*clears throat *
1997-2007 Tony Blair (Labour Majority)
2007-2010 John Reid (Labour Majority)
2010-2015 David Cameron (Conservative Majority)
2010: David Cameron-Conservative [341],John Reid-Labour [204],Nick Clegg-Liberal Democrat [81]
2014 Scottish Independence Referendum: 52,39% No
2015-2021 Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat-Labour Coalition,Liberal Democrat-Labour Progressive Pact-Green-Alliance Minority Coalition with SNP support and confidence)
2015: Nick Clegg-Liberal Democrat [200],David Cameron-Conservative [190],Alan Johnson-Labour [181],Nicola Sturgeon-SNP [47],Nigel Farage-UKIP [7],Nathalie Bennett-Green [1],George Galloway-RESPECT [1]
2016 AV+ Referendum: 51,60% Yes
2020: Nick Clegg/Alan Johnson-Labour/Liberal Democrat Progressive Pact [294],Michael Gove-Conservative [230],Nigel Farage-UKIP [66],Nicola Sturgeon-SNP [30],
Jonathan Bartley/Siân Berry-Green [14],Arlene Foster-DUP [6],Mary Lou McDonald-Sinn Féin [4],Adam Price-Plaid Cymru [4],Naomi Long-Alliance [3],Colum Eastwood-SDLP [3],Steve Aiken-UUP [2]
2021-present day Lynne Featherstone (Liberal Democrat-Labour Progressive Pact-Green-Alliance Minority Coalition with SNP support and confidence)
In my defense I wasn’t trying to rip your work off,just some thing I thought of for a possible thing.*clears throat *
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