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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Time Enough

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I think I have a nice mixture of Hipster and Conventional choices in this list. Ian Willmore is a very unused althist character in British history despite being a fairly prominent member in the trade unions and was a candidate several times and was a lead campaigner for the smoking ban.

He’s perfect for a Union Dominated Social Democratic Labour Party.
 

Comrade Izaac

Well-known member
Death by accident is something that needs to appear in more lists, even if it's a bit weird that it doesn't happen often OTL--
originally when i wrote the og timeline back on AH.com, i wanted to write an entire TLIAW surrounding a post-Trump Palin Administration and the basis of it was always that she was somehow going to just mysteriously disappear, it just depended on how. the plane disappearance over the Bermuda Triangle that i eventually settled on while recreating the list was based on the disappearance of another President in W3L, who also disappeared during a plane voyage across the Atlantic, although in this case it specfically had the be the Bermuda Triangle that she disappeared in for the extra "Oh god the Palinheads are going to go absolutely fucking nuts when they hear about this" factor.

and honestly, like you said, the possibility of that happening in real life isn't to far off. surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh lmao

Maybe with one of their big obsessions responsible for the death of a POTUS, you might see UFOlogists getting more politically active?
December, 2028: Street Shootouts begin between supporters of President Palin and members of the "Comrades of the Atom" Posadist group begin en masse
 

zaffre

my "what else can mandelson do" shirt has a l
Location
Massachusetts
Realms of White Ships

Henry I of England, r. 1100-1131

William III of England r. 1131-1160

William IV of England, r. 1160-1171

Edward I of England, r. 1171-
this irks me not just because william adelin is a chud but because in most timelines post-conquest I feel like Edward deserves to be about as current a regnal name as Ethelbert is
 
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Thande

Jabs First Brexit
Published by SLP
Vague idea I had based on halfhearted analogisms (you have to ignore or wave away the 22nd amendment):

List of Presidents and Vice Presidents of the USA
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1976 def: Gerald Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)
1981-1983: Ronald Reagan† / George Bush (Republican)
1980 def: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1983-1989: George Bush / Henry Kissinger (Republican)
1984 def: Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: Edsel Ford II / Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican)
1988 def: Mario Cuomo / William J. Clinton (Democratic)
1993-2001: Geraldine Ferraro / Ann Richards (Democratic)
1992 def: Edsel Ford II / Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican)
1996 def: Nancy Kassebaum / Ted Turner (Republican)

2001-2005: Geraldine Ferraro / Ralph Nader (Democratic)
2000 def: Ross Perot / Dennis Hastert (Republican)
2005-2005: Geraldine Ferraro† / Mel Carnahan (Democratic)
2004 def: Mitt Romney / John Kasich (Republican)
2005-2013: Mel Carnahan / Steve Beshear (Democratic)
2008 def: Mitt Romney / George Deukmejian (Republican), David Duke / Steve King (America!)
2013-2021: David Petraeus / Ted Cruz (Republican)
2012 def: Adlai Stevenson IV / John Bel Edwards (Democratic)
2016 def: Adlai Stevenson IV / Barack Obama (Democratic)


There were probably a lot better choices for some of these but hopefully you get the idea. My starting thought was how few people in 1920 would have picked out Cox's running mate as someone who would dominate the country for over a decade. I've ignored long periods of the vice-presidency being vacant because this wouldn't be the case in the era in question.
 
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zaffre

my "what else can mandelson do" shirt has a l
Location
Massachusetts
Vague idea I had based on halfhearted analogisms (you have to ignore or wave away the 22nd amendment):

List of Presidents and Vice Presidents of the USA
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1976 def: Gerald Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)
1981-1983: Ronald Reagan† / George Bush (Republican)
1980 def: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1983-1989: George Bush / Henry Kissinger (Republican)
1984 def: Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: Edsel Ford II / Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican)
1988 def: Mario Cuomo / William J. Clinton (Democratic)
1993-2001: Geraldine Ferraro / Ann Richards (Democratic)
1992 def: Edsel Ford II / Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican)
1996 def: Nancy Kassebaum / Ted Turner (Republican)

2001-2005: Geraldine Ferraro / Ralph Nader (Democratic)
2000 def: Ross Perot / Dennis Hastert (Republican)
2005-2005: Geraldine Ferraro† / Mel Carnahan (Democratic)
2004 def: Mitt Romney / John Kasich (Republican)
2005-2013: Mel Carnahan / Steve Beshear (Democratic)
2008 def: Mitt Romney / George Deukmejian (Republican), David Duke / Steve King (America!)
2013-2021: David Petraeus / Ted Cruz (Republican)
2012 def: Adlai Stevenson IV / John Bel Edwards (Democratic)
2016 def: Adlai Stevenson IV / Barack Obama (Democratic)


There were probably a lot better choices for some of these but hopefully you get the idea. My starting thought was how few people in 1920 would have picked out Cox's running mate as someone who would dominate the country for over a decade. I've ignored long periods of the vice-presidency being vacant because this wouldn't be the case in the era in question.
Ferraro-as-FDR is great in a way that demonstrates the limits of stricter analogies (Cruz-as-Nixon is also almost too good, honestly) and makes a fun story just in itself.

The only real rough patches, to my eyes, are Kissinger and Edsel Ford, both of whom are deep cuts without matching all that well; Dawes got the Nobel but was essentially an unpolished midwestern banker, while Hoover was a renowned humanitarian who had come from nothing as opposed to just a rich guy - Perot (or Iacocca?) would probably fit well there. Obama isn’t really a deep cut but the connection to Kefauver does escape me.
 

Qaz_plm

White Castle soda bet
Location
Inbetween dreams and reality
Pronouns
She/her
2020-2024:Ivan Lestrade(Conservative)
2024-2036:Hamish Watson(Labour)

2024:Ivan Lestrade(Conservative),Layla Moran(Liberal)
2028:Bertie Wooster(Conservative),Layla Moran(Liberal)
2032:Billy Bunter(Conservative) ,Carter Blake(Liberal)

2036-2042:Basil Wright(Labour)
2037:Billy Bunter(Conservative),Todd Young(Liberal)
2042-2049:Micheal Rimmer(Conservative)
2042:Basil Wright(Labour),Alex More(Liberal)
2047:Owen Jones(Labour),Alex More(Liberal)
2049-2056:Bryan Doldy(Conservative)
2052:Robert "Uncle Bob" Mycoft(Labour),Richard Cale(Liberal)
2056:Sir A.B. Sullivile Saxton(Labour)
2056(Progressive Alliance)
:Bryan Doldy(Conservative),Alan Dabbers(Liberal)

Bwes said:
Oh god Sully the bully time
Riding_a_Bike said:
Sullivile Uber Alles
Essex is crap said:
Looks like we're getting an American in Downing Street
better than Doldy ofc
Wex said:
who ya thinking he's gonna fuck first Dabbers ,Anne Moreau,or Markie ? 🤔
Oppo said:
I guess when I made him PM in No Easy Answers I was looking into the future lol.
Ow(en Jones)O said:
someone make a Ron Paul DOOM meme but with Owen Jones saying something about expelling Sullyboy.
Spaceythewannabe said:
The Corpse Leader speaking on Channel 4
Indy said:
Should of stayed expelled tbh
great having pm Dabbers
me said:
Indy said:
great having pm Dabbers
The Alliance is only elections you moron
Kiidunhidsiuhdsfh said:
I'm ashamed no one has posted the Chairman Sullivile picture yet
AEEE said:
lix said:
MOD POST: We get that this is a wild night but please keep it civil
Kung-pow-wow said:
Lori Meyers is going to be in demand for the foreseeable future
Red_Christmas said:
Conguartions @numbah_too have fun being the chancellor of the Exchequer <^^>
Light said:
An Bastard Sully the Tory in power now just great!!!
Robert_Lowe said:
I forgot Charles Acharya was a member of this site
@numbah_too should of been you mate
numbah_too said:
I can't post something long rn(I will tomorrow but clearly I am going to be less active on here lol)
Thank you to all the Labour & Liberal supporters who made tonight possible!
 
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Oppo

Erik Ƭ̵̬̊
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any pronouns
2020-2024:Ivan Lestrade(Conservative)
2024-2036:Hamish Watson(Labour)

2024:Ivan Lestrade(Conservative),Layla Moran(Liberal)
2028:Bertie Wooster(Conservative),Layla Moran(Liberal)
2032:Billy Bunter(Conservative) ,Carter Blake(Liberal)

2036-2042:Basil Wright(Labour)
2037:Billy Bunter(Conservative),Todd Young(Liberal)
2042-2049:Micheal Rimmer(Conservative)
2042:Basil Wright(Labour),Alex More(Liberal)
2047:Owen Jones(Labour),Alex More(Liberal)
2049-2056:Bryan Doldy(Conservative)
2052:Robert "Uncle Bob" Mycoft(Labour),Richard Cale(Liberal)
2056:Sir A.B. Sullivile Saxton(Labour)
2056(Progressive Alliance)
:Bryan Doldy(Conservative),Alan Dabbers(Liberal)
Glad to see my predictions paying off for once! also got to love Owen Jones and Layla Moran existing in multiple universes
 

gentleman biaggi

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he/they is fine
ill be frank, i recreated this list entirely so that i could put the idea of sarah palin becoming president and then getting lost in the fucking Bermuda Triangle, with the specific caveat that the reaction of her supporters would be both a. terrifying but also b. one of the funniest spectacles ever seen by mankind, out into the universe lmao
this is one of the realest things i’ve ever read
 

Thande

Jabs First Brexit
Published by SLP
Ferraro-as-FDR is great in a way that demonstrates the limits of stricter analogies (Cruz-as-Nixon is also almost too good, honestly) and makes a fun story just in itself.

The only real rough patches, to my eyes, are Kissinger and Edsel Ford, both of whom are deep cuts without matching all that well; Dawes got the Nobel but was essentially an unpolished midwestern banker, while Hoover was a renowned humanitarian who had come from nothing as opposed to just a rich guy - Perot (or Iacocca?) would probably fit well there. Obama isn’t really a deep cut but the connection to Kefauver does escape me.
Thanks. You're right about Kissinger and Ford, they were weaker analogies. Obama deliberately doesn't fit because it's not a comparison to Kefauver - it's that he's the next FDR in the endless cycle of this TL. (This is less obvious because, to match Ferraro, he's the veep candidate for the second election into a period of Republican dominance rather than the one where it begins).
 

Time Enough

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Busy as a Bee
Leaders of the New Party
1930-1932: Oswald Mosley
1932-1934: John Strachey
1934-1936: Frank
Horrabin
1936-1948: Nye Bevan
1948-xxxx: Harold Macmillan

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Seventeen Labour MPs Join "New Party" of Oswald Mosley!
Is This The End For MacDonald?

---Daily Sketch headline, 6 December 1930 (neglecting to mention the three Conservatives who also joined)​
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...but while Mosely might have created the party, he was also in danger of destroying it. His autocratic tendencies, ranging up from the manifesto down to the party militia's uniform, were making him enemies within left and right. Perhaps this could have been forgiven if he was a good leader. He was not. With increasingly skewed priorities relative to the party base, seemingly believing that voters would prefer a flashy rally and 10,000 banner bearers to a well-formulated and comprehensible version of the party's key policy. Increasingly aggressive in conversational tone, egocentrically attributing every success from the Ashton-Under-Lyne by-election onwards to himself alone, and distracted by niche political panaceas--Mosely had to go so that the party could live.

With the general election approaching, it was necessary to push Mosley out as swiftly as possible. Luckily, Moseley had allowed other people to do the boring work of drafting a party charter while he got on with his stunts and speeches. After a swift vote of no confidence at the Party conference, Mosley was officially no longer leader, and expelled from the party by Strachey for good measure--another power Mosley had insisted be given to the leader. Here, many histories of the New Party take time to detail his subsequent biography. If the reader wishes to to know about the subject, they can read those books; for my part I will merely note that Mosley's campaigning on behalf of the Social Credit Party to try and unseat Strachey was the last time he was relevant to the party he founded. By the time he died in Italy, fighting his erstwhile comrades in the International Brigades on behalf of Mussolini, he bore little resemblance to the dashing young author of the memorandum. In turn, the party forgot about him as well.


Strachey was a perfect interim leader--vaguely personable, willing to work with others, good at organisation--with the one fault that he now had to fight an election. Many future historians have damned him for a fool, with the near-collapse of the National Government over the Conservatives' unwillingness to accept unorthodox measures being perfect ground for the party that had been promoting Keynesianism before now. However, this analysis is fundamentally rooted in the modern day, where the New Party is a political fixture. To Strachey, leader of a fragile new party which had just lost 2 MPs alongside its leader in a well-publicised split, and with much less money than the other well-established parties, retaining over half their seats was a victory in and of itself.

A year after the election, a dog-tired Strachey stepped down for the party's first actual leadership contest. Admittedly, "contest" is overselling it. While Nicolson performed admirably, his vision of a paternalistic Toryism-rooted Socialism was incoherent and off-putting to the members. Indeed, it is possible that if Horrabin had faced literally anyone else, he would have lost. While good at written propaganda (one satirical magazine joked that with Strachey the editorialist and Horrabin the cartoonist, the New Party was an ploy to boost the launch of the New Times as a paper) he was never a good public speaker, and his one attempt at grabbing headlines--an invitation for Trotsky to take exile in the UK--generated more bad press than good. Luckily for all involved, a nasty case of bronchitis caused Horrabin to step down, leaving the way open for the heir apparent...

It had been a long time coming. From a miner's lodge in Tredegar, to the frontlines of the General Strike, to a hundred aggressive speeches in Parliament, warring with Macdonald and with Mosely, always fighting for what he though was just, would help the common man. Now he was sitting in the driving seat, and, as the most popular MP in the Party, few wished to take it from him. The day was Nye's.

On the leadership of Bevan I will not dwell--it is far and away the most chronicled period of the party's history, as hundreds of historians try to capture the giddy joy of relevancy and movement forwards after years of slow stagnation. The conflicts between "Biff Boys" and "Bevan Boys", the Second Memorandum's thunderbolt-like impact, the dawn of the Popular Front--all these things have passed into political legend. The best was still to come. With the War Government forming up in opposition to the invasion of Poland, the New Party held the reins of power for the first time. Even if they were technically junior partners, the war's demands of total mobilisation against the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact meant that measures that once looked ridiculous--self-sufficiency, public works, centralised technocratic power--were suddenly completely necessary. Many lament that Bevan never got into government; I contend that the War was when he got in, and we are all better off for it.

Even after returning to the opposition benches, Bevan could have fought on as leader forever. It was not to be. The challenge to his leadership after a dismal performance in the Wolverhampton West by-election was initially a surprise to the leadership, but was an inevitability in hindsight. While Bevan's socialist views still held cachet among the members, the new generation of hawkish Keynesians who saw the Memorandum as an end, not a means, were rising. These Young Bucks (admittedly not much younger than the rest of the party, but with the air of youth) were ready to make a new Britain from the New Party. No-one before them rose so high. No-one before them fell so low.

Where does their story begin? It begins at the Memorandum, but like any story of a party, this is bigger than Mosely or Bevan or any one leader. This story begins at Stockton, where a bright young MP decided to follow his hero and be a man of action. This story starts at 10 Downing Street, where that once-young man clasped hands with Douglas Jay and his party entered government of its own free will, not as part of a broader war. This story starts in a dirty flat in Hackney, where another one of the Young Bucks would become part of a sordid underbelly that would eventually roll over and knock down a government.

This story, however, is bigger than Macmillan and bigger than Boothby. It is the story of a party--a story we can learn from today. To know where to go next, we need to know where we started.

--Bryan Gould, A New Wind: The New Party in Government, 1958-1964
Busy As A Bee ATLF:
1958-1964: Douglas Jay (Labour)

1958 (Coalition with New Party) def: Anthony Eden (Conservative), Harold Macmillan (New Party), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberals)
1962 (Coalition with New Party) def: Duncan Sandys (Conservative), Harold Macmillan (New Party), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberals)

1964-1972: Peter Thorneycroft (Conservative)
1964 (Majority) def: Douglas Jay (Labour), Harold Macmillan (New Party), David Renton (Liberals)
1968 (Majority) def: Anthony Benn (Labour), Tom Driberg-Mick Jagger (New Party aligned with New Agenda), David Renton (Liberals)

1972-1978: Jack Dormand (Labour)
1972 (Majority) def: Peter Thorneycroft (Conservative), Christopher Brocklebank-Fowler (New Party), David Renton (Liberals), Peter Hain (New Agenda)
1976 (Coalition with New Party) def: Peter Walker (Conservative), Christopher Brocklebank-Fowler (New Party), Michael Heseltine (Liberals)

1978-1987: Paul Channon (Conservative)
1978 (Coalition with Liberals) def: Jack Dormand (Labour), Christopher Brocklebank-Fowler (New Party), Michael Heseltine (Liberals)
1982 (Majority) def: Eric Varley (Labour), Richard Douthwaite (New Party), Michael Heseltine (Liberals)

1987-1994: Eric Varley (Labour)
1987 (Majority) def: Paul Channon (Conservative), Richard Douthwaite (New Party), Alan Beith (Liberals), John Peck-Derek Wall (Radicals)
1991 (Coalition with Popular Front) def: Peter Bottomley (Conservative), Richard Douthwaite-Stuart Hall (Popular Front- New Party, Ecology & Radicals), Alan Beith (Liberals)

1994-1999: Tim Rathbone (Conservative)
1994 (Coalition with Liberals) def: Eric Varley (Labour), Richard Douthwaite (New Party), Stuart Hall-Peg Alexander (Radical-Green Alliance), Alan Beith (Liberal)
1999-: John Marek (Labour)
1999 (Coalition with New Party) def: Tim Rathbone (Conservative), Ann Pettifor (New Party), Peg Alexander-Mark Ashton (New Radicals), Susan Kramer (Liberals), Willie McRae (Scottish Democrats)


(This was the second attempt, and yes, No Bryan Gould New Party leader...I'm not that much of a hack).
 

Time Enough

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The New Party as the home of the Wonk Left makes perfect sense to me
The New Party essentially becoming 'Positive Money: Political Party' is really where it likely would have gone, Tory Keynesian Radicalism can only last so long. Be thankful that I didn't put the Wonks of the Wonks in the list like Julian Le Sand or Alan Simpson.
and Mick Jagger's New Agenda causes several emotions. Great work.
The fact that Tom Driberg and Richard Acland tried to create a Christian Socialist party lead by Mick Jagger to harness that New Left discontent in the late 60s never gets old as one of those facts that never ceases to amuse me.

Also thanks.
 

Persephone

An Individual of Mysterious and Indistinct Gender
Pronouns
they/them
"Reach Out and Touch Faith"
1952 - 1960: Francis Herman Pencovic (Fountain Party)†
1961 - 1968: Edward Longstreet Bodin (Spiritual Party)
1969 - 1972: Charles "Charlie" Maddox (Family Party)
1973 - 1978: James Warren Jones (People's Party)
1979 - 1986: Lafayette R. Hubbard (Scientific Party)
1987 - 1992: Vernon Howell (Adventist Party)
1993 - 1998: Marshall Applewhite (Next Level Party)
1999 - 20XX: Lyndon LaRouche (National Democrat Party)
 
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Alex Richards

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Location
Derbyshire
this irks me not just because william adelin is a chud but because in most timelines post-conquest I feel like Edward deserves to be about as current a regnal name as Ethelbert is
Eh, I think it's 50/50 really. On the one hand it's not necessarily likely that you'd get a king devoted to the cult of St. Edward the Confessor.

On the other hand, considering the way how William the Conqueror claimed he was Edward's legitimate heir and the fact that he was a royal saint and had been the man who built the Abbey in which Royal coronations were held, he's probably the most likely saint to have ended up as a royal cult figure.

I think I'd say that 'Edward becoming a name used in the Royal family/junior branches thereof' is likely but 'Edward as a common regnal name' is significantly less likely.
 
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