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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

xsampa

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Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
 

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Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
Someone has done a Tolkienist one.
 

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Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
Well that one just isn't true.
 

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Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
This part can also be put in a bit of doubt. Orwell actually was something of a monarchist, he wrote extensively of the perceived role monarchy had in staving off fascism in Britain, as can be seen in the Spring 1944 Partisan Review.

His sort of monarchism is essentially one that strips the monarchy of all its power, but allows it to stay as the focal point of the nation-state that people can revere, and he doesn't quite defend it everywhere, but I would be comfortable saying that an 'Orwellist' state would be a constitutional monarchy.
‘The function of the King in promoting stability and acting as a sort of keystone in a non-democratic society is, of course, obvious. But he also has, or can have, the function of acting as an escape-valve for dangerous emotions. A French journalist said to me once that the monarchy was one of the things that have saved Britain from Fascism. What he meant was that modern people can’t, apparently, get along without drums, flags and loyalty parades, and that it is better that they should tie their leader-worship onto some figure who has no real power. In a dictatorship the power and the glory belong to the same person.

In England the real power belongs to unprepossessing men in bowler hats: the creature who rides in a gilded coach behind soldiers in steel breast-plates is really a waxwork. It is at any rate possible that while this division of function exists a Hitler or a Stalin cannot come to power. On the whole the European countries which have most successfully avoided Fascism have been constitutional monarchies. The conditions seemingly are that the Royal Family shall be long-established and taken for granted, shall understand its own position and shall not produce strong characters with political ambitions. These have been fulfilled in Britain, the Low Countries and Scandinavia, but not in, say, Spain or Rumania.

If you point these facts out to the average left-winger he gets very angry, but only because he has not examined the nature of his own feelings towards Stalin. I do not defend the institution of monarchy in an absolute sense, but I think that in an age like our own it may have an inoculating effect, and certainly it does far less harm than the existence of our so-called aristocracy. I have often advocated that a Labour government, i.e. one that meant business, would abolish titles while retaining the Royal Family.’
— George Orwell, Spring 1944 Partisan Review.
 

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Speaking of a fusionist ideology, has anyone done an Orwellist (pro-federation, anti-racial socialist-democratic republic with X-derived "New X" auxlangist) or Tolkienist (rural 'ancap' environmentalist-traditionalist) state?
The problem is how to get there - an India which takes Gandhi's proposals more seriously somehow could fit the second
Hey it's me!

I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh and I actually quite like the sound of an Orwell vs Tolkien political system. As people have said though, Orwell (at least post-1940ish) is both a monarchist and rather socially conservative/nationalist in a few spots - definitely an interesting direction for the left to go.
 

xsampa

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Hey it's me!

I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh and I actually quite like the sound of an Orwell vs Tolkien political system. As people have said though, Orwell (at least post-1940ish) is both a monarchist and rather socially conservative/nationalist in a few spots - definitely an interesting direction for the left to go.
An area of conflict would be language - Tolkienism would be definitely polylingual while Orwellism would support (as Orwell did during WW2 OTL) the idea of an English-derived Basic English (that actually isn't basic enough)
 

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I think there's a lot of room for a more in depth "Tolkienism" tbh
I did a Tolkienist list that's a little more in-depth (albeit not nearly as long and a bit more malleable than yours) for the Fourth HoS challenge (still a bit peeved that it wasn't accepted after the effort I put into it, ngl), and I'll take any excuse to repost old work of mine so:


In the Darkness Bind Them

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Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1931-1935: David Lloyd George (All Party Government) [1]
1936: Rotha Lintorn-Orman (British Fascisti-Conservative Coalition) [2]
1936-1937: Stafford Cripps (Labour-Conservative-Liberal Coalition) [3]
1937-1938: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative Party) [4]
1938: Fallen Government (Parliament Dissolved, Royal Party Established) [5]
1938-1940: Rotha Lintorn-Orman (Royal Party) [6]
1940: Fallen Government (United Kingdom Dissolved, Establishment of the British Witanaġemot) [7]


Brytenwalda of the Mythopoetic Witenaġemot
1942-1973: J.R.R. Tolkien (Mythopoetic Society) [8]
1973-: Christopher Tolkien (Mythopoetic Society) [9]


[1] In 1931, David Lloyd George brings about a Keynesian All Party government with the support of King George V and SIS Chief Sidney Reilly. It manages to chug along fairly well for the next couple of years, up until the death of the King in 1936...

[2] ...At which point Reilly, arch-monarchist and Conservative that he is, partners with political firebrand and ultra-royalist Rotha Lintorn-Orman (her OTL substance abuse is curtailed enough to prolong her life and make her into a legitimate political candidate) to pull off A Very British Coup in order to bring about a British Fascisti/Conservative Party Coalition government, albeit one that is primarily Tory-dominated...

[3] ...A government that is promptly opposed by Stafford Cripps, Harold Macmillan, and the young King Edward VIII. Reilly and Lintorn-Orman protested, saying that it was for the good of the King and Empire, but eventually relented. Cripps and the Labour-Conservative-Liberal Coalition steer the ship of state safely until 1937. Meanwhile, writer, poet, philologist, Great War veteran, and academic J.R.R Tolkien publishes a lecture entitled On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man. In the lecture, he outlines how the cultures of Men have crafted their own myths throughout the ages and explains that by embracing the mythopoetic practices and integrating mythological themes and archetypes into his own life, the modern man can remake himself in the mythic image of those who came before him.

[4] The Conservatives regain the majority in 1937 and Stanley Baldwin becomes Prime Minister. Despite the tumult of the Reilly-Orman Coup, British politics seem to be stabilizing once more. King Edward VIII continues to be a popular and well-liked monarch, despite his bachelor status. In the same year, Tolkien publishes another lecture, On the Virtuous Pagan and the Theory of Courage, in which he expands upon the ideas expressed in On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man, outlining what he called the Pagan Theory of Courage in which Man, identified as the "virtuous pagan", is driven to do the right thing even in the face of certain defeat without the promise of reward or salvation. Much like in On the Mythopoetic Nature of Man, he advocates for the modern man to embrace the Pagan Theory of Courage alongside mythopoetic practices for the betterment of all.

[5] In 1938, King Edward VIII proclaims his desire to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson, to the horror of the Conservative government and the British Establishment. Unwilling to concede or abdicate the throne in favor of his brother Albert, Duke of York, the British Dominions threaten to break off from the Crown, and Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin ends up resigning in protest. Seeing an opportunity to once more gain political power, Sidney Reilly begins to meet with the King, gradually isolating him and encouraging him to exercise his royal prerogatives. Emboldened by the machinations of Reilly, Edward declares that he will go through with his marriage to Simpson. When Parliament protests, the King proceeds to dissolve Parliament, with the aid of Reilly's men and the newly-christened Royal Party of Rotha Lintorn-Orman, who he appoints as Prime Minister.

In response to these developments, Tolkien and a number of fellow academics, including C.S. Lewis, his elder brother Warren, and Charles Williams form the Mythopoetic Society, dedicated to fighting against the perceived moral decline of British society and promoting mythopoetic principles among the British populace, with Tolkien himself embarking on a speaking tour throughout Britain. Before long, groups known as Tolkien Clubs begin to form throughout Britain, their members intent on embodying the mythopoetic principles laid out in Tolkien's writings, efforts that are encouraged by Tolkien and the Mythopoetic Society.

[6] The Royal Party rules for two years, becoming increasingly dictatorial and authoritarian as the Dominions begin to break off from the Crown and the British populace starts to grow uneasy with the state of things. More and more Tolkien Clubs are formed, as membership in the Mythopoetic Society grows expeditiously. Government officials and Royal Party members become targets for assault and harassment from the so-called Mythopoets. In 1939, Tolkien publishes a manifesto, The Fellowship of the Witenaġemot, in which he proposes a new form of society, based on mythopoetic principles and named after the Anglo-Saxon political institution of the same name, led by a leader known as the Brytenwalda, an Old English word meaning "Britain-ruler".

[7] The Mythopoetic Revolution begins, as armed and organized Mythopoets rise up and begin slaughtering government officials and Royal Party members alike. Tired of the dictatorial rule of the Royal Party, the British population joins in the revolution, spurred on by the speeches of Tolkien and other leaders of the Mythopoetic Society. Those members of the British establishment who didn't flee the chaos and bloodshed of the revolution and weren't already involved quickly joined the revolutionaries, hoping to escape retribution as the Mythopoets began to win victory after victory. After two years of bloody conflict, the Mythopoets emerged victorious as the Royal family fled abroad, with King Edward and his wife fleeing to Germany, the Duke of York escaping to Canada, the Duke of Gloucester seeking asylum in the newly-consolidated Australasia, and the Duke of Kent finding himself in distant South Africa. The architects of the defeated royal government, Reilly and Lintorn-Orman, are quickly found and executed, the former being beaten to death by enraged Mythopoets and the latter being beheaded in Trafalgar Square. The United Kingdom was no more and in its place, the British Witanaġemot rose like a phoenix from the ashes of revolution.

[8] As the British Witanaġemot took its first breaths as an independent nation, the Mythopoets led by Brytenwalda Tolkien set about rebuilding a war-torn nation along mythopoetic lines. In the decades to come, the Witanaġemot recovered from the revolution, with the Brytenwalda and the Mythopoetic Society governing first from 10 Downing Street, before relocating to Central London and the rebuilt Crystal Palace (rechristened as the Mythopoetic Palace) in 1945. As the new society flourished and the nation became reinvigorated over time, the Witanaġemot grew in power and prosperity too, as the Mythopoetic Military built itself into a formidable force. After a brief Continental War waged against the German Reich alongside the Italians and the Free French of North Africa in the late 50s and early 60s, during which the exiled King Edward was executed with his debauched wife Wallis Simpson, the Witanaġemot had proven itself as a European power, albeit an isolated one. After the Continental War, Brytenwalda Tolkien oversaw the reconquest of both North Ireland and Ireland proper to unite the British Archipelago, and afterwards...stopped. Gone were the days of British colonialism, of imperial ambitions, of the subjugation of native peoples in the guise of "civilization". Now, was a time for peace and prosperity, not war and plunder. Britain would finally know the peace that the Mythopoets sought to forge in their quest for the greater good. The architect of this new age of peace, Brytenwalda Tolkien, died in 1973 of a bleeding ulcer and chest infection, and his son Christopher was voted in by the Mythopoetic Society as the second Brytenwalda.

Elsewhere, the House of Windsor stagnated and faded from relevance as the years went by and the march of history passed them by. The former Duke of York settled into life with his family in Canada, content with being a private citizen rather than a monarch. His brother, the Duke of Gloucester, became Governor-General of Australasia, a position that he was eventually able to leverage into the creation of a new monarchy, that of the Kingdom of Australasia. Finally, the Duke of Kent took a ceremonial position as monarch of South Africa and proceeded to take full advantage to live a life of debauchery before dying of an overdose in 1943.

[9] The new Brytenwalda, Christopher Tolkien has been thus far content to continue his father's policies of peace and prosperity, well aware of the price that was paid in blood to establish the Witanaġemot during his father's rule. Whether that will continue for the foreseeable future is yet to be seen, though international observers are optimistic. The one thing everyone is certain of, however, is that the mythopoetic society established by the first Brytenwalda will continue to exist long after his death and well into the 21st century.
 
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rosa

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An expansion of an old list back on AH.com I called Blast from the Past

Basic Basis: Lisa Murkowski gets electorally capped by a certain cursed figure from our not too distant past, the same year Trump literally shits himself to death at mara-lago and Biden's average approval ratings reach 46% at the highest.


2021-2025: Joe Biden (Democratic)
(With Kamala Harris)
2020: Joe Biden/Kamala Harris (Democratic) [51.3%/306 EV] Def. Donald J. Trump/Mike Pence (Republican) [46.9%/232 EV] and Various Others

2025-2027: Sarah Palin (Republican)
(With Ron DeSantis)
2024: Sarah Palin/Ron DeSantis [46.37%/282 EV] Def. Kamala Harris/Ed Markey [46.43%/256 EV] and Justin Amash/Larry Sharpe (Libertarian) [5.4%/0 EV] and Various Others
2027: "Bermuda Triangle Incident"; Disappearance of Air Force One, President Palin, Vice President DeSantis


2027-2029: Kevin McCarthy (Republican)
(With Jeanean Hampton)

2029-20xx: Karen Carter Peterson (Democratic)
(With John Sarbanes)
2028: Karen Carter Peterson/John Sarbanes (Democratic) [52.6%/351 EV] Def. Kevin Mccarthy/Jeanean Hampton (Republican) [31.7%/187 EV] and Lauren Boebert/Micheal Flynn Jr. (THE TRUTH) [13.6%/0 EV] and Various Others
Ooh some interesting ideas
 

Comrade Izaac

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Ooh some interesting ideas
ill be frank, i recreated this list entirely so that i could put the idea of sarah palin becoming president and then getting lost in the fucking Bermuda Triangle, with the specific caveat that the reaction of her supporters would be both a. terrifying but also b. one of the funniest spectacles ever seen by mankind, out into the universe lmao
 

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@Qaz_plm reminded me of this list so I'll do an update

More Things Change, More They Stay The Same

1945-1956: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945 (Majority) def. Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Ernest Brown (Liberal National), Rajani Palme Dutt (Communist)
1950 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal), John Maclay (Liberal National), Harry Pollitt (Communist), Richard Law (Democratic National)
1953 (Majority) def. Rab Butler (Conservative), Clement Davies (Liberal), Richard Law (Democratic National), Rajani Palme Dutt (Communist), Michael Traynor (Sinn Fein)

1956-1958: Herbert Morrison (Labour majority)
1958-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative)
1958 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Herbert Morrison (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal), Peter Thorneycroft (Democratic National), Rajani Palme Dutt (Communist), Michael Traynor (Sinn Fein)
1962 Workers self-management referendum, NO 55%, YES 45%
1963 (Majority) def. George Brown (Labour), Jeanne Hoban (Communist), Jo Grimond (Liberal), Peter Thorneycroft (Democratic National)
1964 EEC & EDC membership referendum, ENTER 52%, REMAIN 48%

1964-1967: Priscilla Buchan (Conservative)
1965 (Minority, with DNP confidence and supply) def. Fenner Brockway (Labour), Jeanne Hoban (Communist), Richard Wainwright (Liberal), Margaret Thatcher (Democratic National), Michael Traynor (Sinn Fein)
1967-0000: Randolph Churchill (Conservative)
1967 (Majority) def. Fenner Brockway (Labour), Jeanne Hoban (Communist), Violet Bonham Carter (Liberal), Margaret Thatcher (Democratic National), Bernadette Devlin (Sinn Fein)
 
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ill be frank, i recreated this list entirely so that i could put the idea of sarah palin becoming president and then getting lost in the fucking Bermuda Triangle, with the specific caveat that the reaction of her supporters would be both a. terrifying but also b. one of the funniest spectacles ever seen by mankind, out into the universe lmao
Death by accident is something that needs to appear in more lists, even if it's a bit weird that it doesn't happen often OTL--Harold Holt is the last real high-profile example in the Anglosphere.

The conspiracy theories of this TL are going to get real Galaxy Brain real quickly. Maybe with one of their big obsessions responsible for the death of a POTUS, you might see UFOlogists getting more politically active?
 

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“Filofax Wielding Modernisers”:
1990-1993: John Major (Conservative)
1991 (UUP Confidence & Supply) def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Lib Dems)
1993-1995: John Smith (Labour)
1993 (Majority) def: John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Lib Dems)
1995-2000: John Prescott (Labour)
1995 (Majority) def: John Redwood (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Lib Dems)
2000-2009: Stephen Dorrell (Conservative)
2000 (Coalition with Lib Dems) def: John Prescott (Labour), Simon Hughes (Lib Dems)
2002 PR Referendum: No 67%, Yes 33%
2004 (Majority) def: Alan Milburn (Labour), Simon Hughes (Lib Dems), Caroline Lucas-Lynne Jones (Green & Reds)

2009-2015: Ian Willmore (Labour)
2009 (Majority) def: Stephen Dorrell (Conservative), Evan Harris (Lib Dems), Caroline Lucas-Tony Clarke (Green), David Campbell-Bannerman (UKIP)
2013 (Majority) def: William Hague (Conservative), Evan Harris (Lib Dem), David Malone-Alexandra Phillips (Green)

2015-2021: Steve Rotheram (Labour)
2017 (Majority) def: Esther McVey (Conservative),Sarah Teather (Lib Dems), David Malone-Rachel Maskell (Green)
2021-: Amber Rudd (Conservative)
2021 (Majority) def: Steve Rotheram (Labour), Sarah Teather (Lib Dems), Rachel Maskell-Benali Hamdache (Green), Angela Constance (SNP)

So John Major calls a snap election in the Autumn of 1991 and whilst he's still the largest party in Parliament he's forced into a confidence and supply situation with the UUP. Meanwhile Kinnock buggers off and John Smith takes over in a leadership that isn't surprising in the least. As his popularity slides down after the chaos of Black Monday, Major's attempts to deal with the Troubles and Northern Ireland eventually lead to the UUP withdrawing there support leading to a 1993 election which John Smith wins on a message of Cautious Social Democracy. Smith isn't able to enjoy his Premiership for long, as a heart attack puts him out of commission and whilst surviving he's too ill to lead Britain. Prescott comes in on a platform of Continuity Smithism as Blair and Brown fight over the Moderniser scraps and Margaret Beckett suffers from the problem of being a woman and a bit Leftie. Meanwhile the Conservatives have engaged in a battle for king of the scraps and with the Labour and Prescott enjoying positive polling, John Redwood becomes the sap sent in to bat for the Conservatives. The 1995 election is a Prescott walkover as the dull and awkward Redwood isn't able to bring the same support on a platform of Dry Economics and Euroscepticism.

The remains of the 1990s is Prescott continuing the Social Democratic consensus that Smith started but the Modernisers continue to strain and fight against the Right and Left in the internal battles. Prescott meanwhile is a walking time bomb of a politician, his attitude, odd sense of speech and past misdeeds a treasure trove of material for hack comedians everywhere, Prescott clings to the Premiership throughout, even battling Blair a couple of times over it.

The 2000 election occurs after a year of chaotic polls, mainly the polls suggest a continuing Lib Dem surge started by Paddy Ashdown. But in the end no matter all the papers that discussed the possibility of a Lib Dem Government, it was never going to be. Instead Labour collapses and the Conservative’s under the Moderate image of Stephen Dorrell manage to gain enough MPs to hash out a coalition deal with Simon Hughes Lib Dem’s, after promises that discussion on PR will occur. PR doesn't happen for General Elections after a referendum but STV is implemented for Council elections and the emerging London and Yorkshire Assemblies (remnants of Prescott's term in office). Dorrell mainly implements a One Nation Conservative Britain with Ken Clarke as his Chancellor, the NHS and the Railways remain nationalised, though with Market Reforms implemented on them, attempts to make more Pro-Market occurs and Britain becomes more friendly to the EU (though not as much as Clarke would want as Dorrell doesn't join the Euro).

The 2004 election see's Dorrell win a majority as the Labour Party's ramshackle Modernisation under Milburn goes poorly as several Left Wing MPs defect to the Greens and Dorrell's bland competence beats Milburn's attempt at smooth charm. Dorrell continues his bland One Nation antics, even as a Eurosceptic voice in the form of UKIP begins to raise against the Conservatives. When the Finical Crisis comes to Britain's shores in 2008, Dorrell's reaction is to be like the other European nations, austerity is the course for the Conservatives. This goes down poorly with the public and allows the Labour Party to regain it's footing again under Ian Willmore whilst UKIP manages to gain the Right Wing vote as the Conservatives is squeezed.

Ian Willmore becomes Prime Minister on a Union backed Left Wing Populist platform, having become an MP in 1991 and appeared in the Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet a number of times, this mildly eccentric reformer famous for writing Ron Todd's classic line about those 'Filofax wielding modernisers' manages to form a coalition of the Soft Left, Unions and the Old Guard of the party into a viable movement. Ian Willmore reverses austerity and tries to forge a new economic path, no longer tied down to the fiscal dryness of Smith, Prescott and Dorrell. He also seeks for reforming how Britain is run, the Civil Service becomes a completely independent organisation, divorced from Government, a number of services are reformed into a more Industrial Democratic direction. The attempt to try and turn Britain into a Social Democratic state goes fairly well, though worries about the power of the Unions and the dreaded word of Socialism lingers over Willmore.

He wins 2013 as the Conservative's incredibly Eurosceptic Right Wing Populist campaign scares off it's One Nation supports to the Lib Dems and Willmore's Labour is seen as having done a competent job (the middle classes aren't taxed high and austerity hasn't been implemented so people are fine with the new state). But after two years, Willmore leaves due to health issues and the Trade Unions back Steve Rotheram who manages to win the 2017 easily against Esther McVey who continues the William Hague ideas (which does proceed to ground UKIP into dust once and for all) though a Lib Dem and Green surge occurs as both offer things that the other parties aren't able to do. By now though the Willmore coalition is starting to splinter, a revived Left lead by Cat Smith tells Rotheram to go further in Democratic Socialist reform, whilst the Trade Unions are content to stay where they are and a revived Soft Left lead by the Labour Now grouping of Jo Platt, Léonie Mathers and Sarah Owen question the cautious nature of the Government and demand a Soft Left Modernisation project. Further problems when accusations of Anti-Semitism occur leading to some to some high profile deselections and chaos within the Labour party.

Not even a brief poll surge to Rotheram's handling of the SARs crisis can save him from a revived Conservatives, with Amber Rudd leading a rather firmly wet Conservatives, the Greens offering a Left Wing alternative to Labour and the SNP experiencing a slight surge under Angela Costance having finally taking the SNP out of the awkward Swinney years. As discussions over who would be the next Labour leader continue, the Unions may have found there perfect candidate; a Female Red Headed Union representative and long time MP, Karie Murphy will be the perfect leader for the Labour Party they say as another in the background is able to gain on the discontent in Labour for her own advantage.
 
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