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Nothing but Schadenfreude: A Test Thread

rosa

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Ok, so without the Twelfth Amendment, the runner up in the electoral college is elected Vice President and the winner is, obviously, the winner. Without any butterflies I wanted to see how this works out in the 21st Century in two ways: electoral votes and popular vote. For the electoral votes, I'll take the OTL election results for both President and Vice President and see who happens to have the most and the second most (so, if there are faithless electors, the Vice Presidential candidate of the opposite party may get in). Most elections will be tied, but I will not assume how Congress votes in that case. I'll just assume they know to vote for the top of the ticket.. For the second, I'll convert all primary votes into percentages and appropriate population numbers for the general election and use just the pure popular vote because I can't predict how electors would vote. For third parties, I'll take their OTL general election results instead of primary numbers.

No Twelfth Amendment: 2001 - Present (Part One: Electoral College)

2001 - 2009: Governor George W. Bush (Republican; 271 EVs, 286 EVs)

2000 def. Fmr. Secretary Dick Cheney (Republican; 271 EVs), Vice President Al Gore (Democratic; 266 EVs), Senator Joe Lieberman (Democratic; 266 EVs), no candidate (1 EV)

2004 def. Vice President Dick Cheney (Republican; 286 EVs), Senator John Edwards (Democratic; 252 EVs), Senator John Kerry (Democratic; 251 EVs), misvote (1 EV)

2009 - 2017: Senator Barack Obama (Democratic; 265 EVs)
2008 def. Senator Joe Biden (Democratic; 265 EVs), Senator John McCain (Republican; 173 EVs), Governor Sarah Palin (Republican; 173 EVs)
2012 def. Vice President Joe Biden (Democratic; 332 EVs), Fmr. Governor Mitt Romney (Republican; 256 EVs), Rep. Paul Ryan (Republican; 256 EVs)


2017 - 2021: Governor Mike Pence (Republican; 305 EVs)
2016 def. Businessman Donald J. Trump (Republican; 304 EVs), Fmr. Secretary Hillary Clinton (Democratic; 227 EVs), Senator Tim Kaine (Democratic; 227 EVs), Fmr. Secretary Colin Powell (Republican; 3 EVs), Senator Elizabeth Warren (Democratic; 2 EVs), Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent; 1 EV), Governor John Kasich (Republican; 1 EV), Fmr. Rep. Ron Paul (Libertarian; 1 EV), Senator Maria Cantwell (Democratic; 1 EV), Senator Susan Collins (Republican; 1 EV), Activist Winona LaDuke (Green; 1 EV), Activist Faith Spotted Eagle (Democratic; 1 EV)
 

rosa

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Quick scenario:

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Dubya loses to Richards in 1994. It doesn't affect the '96 elections, but it does affect 2000. Jeb finally wins in '98, but Bush doesn't run again, and Richards narrowly slides into a third term. She runs in '00 against VP Gore and Senator Bradley, running a formidable campaign, but Gore manages to wins, and Richards ends up barely above Bradley in votes and delegates and is chosen as VP, a contentious pick, considering it was Mondale's play back in '84. The Republican primaries are chaotic, and many candidates end up winning primary states. Due to McCain's insistence that he stay in the race, it ends up being Dole v. McCain by the end of the primary season, despite the fact that he remains in fourth place by the time everyone else drops out. Dole narrowly wins a majority, avoiding a contested convention and picks Dancroft, a Midwestern Moderate to counter her own Conservativism. Throughout the campaign, Gore and Richards hit hard on Dole for being easily swayed on issues, for being weak, a Dole, etc and eventually win out, with a popular vote win of ~4% and are able to carry Texas by a fraction of a percent. You can give or take Florida. I may end up giving it to Gore, which would be 349-188
 

rosa

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2017 - 2021: Fmr. Sec. Hillary Clinton (Democratic; 428 EVs)
2016 (with Julian Castro) def. Fmr. Governor Jeb Bush (Republican; 77), Businessman Donald Trump (Independent; 27 EVs), faithless electors

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2021 - 2025: Dr. Ben Carson (Republican; 262 EVs)
2020 (with Julian Castro) def. President Hillary Clinton (Democratic; 266 EVs), Fmr. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Patriot; 5 EVs) [Replacing Donald Trump], Senator Gary Johnson (Libertarian; 0 EVs), faithless electors

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2025 - 2026: Vice Pres. Julian Castro (Democratic; 308 EVs)
2024 (with Kristen Gillibrand) def. President Ben Carson (Republican; 229 EVs), Attorney Sidney Powell (Patriot; 1 EV) [Replacing Michael Flynn], Rep. Mark Sanford (Libertarian; 0 EVs), Faithless Elector for Tulsi Gabbard (1 EV)

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rosa

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1949 - 1952: General Dwight D. Eisenhower (Democratic)
1952 - 1956: President Dwight D. Eisenhower (Independent)
1948 (with Harry S. Truman), General Dwight D. Eisenhower (Democratic) def. Senator Robert A. Taft (Republican)
1952 (with Claude D. Pepper), President Dwight D. Eisenhower (Independent - National Unity Coupon) def. Senator Robert A. Taft (Conservative), Faithless Elector for Wayne Morse, Faithless Elector for Claude D. Pepper
1956 (with Claude D. Pepper), President Dwight D. Eisenhower (Independent - Democratic Endorsed) def. Senator John W. Bricker (Republican)

1956 - 1965: Vice President Claude D. Pepper (Democratic)
1960 (with John F. Kennedy) def. Senator Richard Nixon (Republican), Fmr. Governor Harold Stassen (National Unity), States' Rights Democrats

1965 - 1968: Governor Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1964 (with Lucius D. Clay) def. Governor George Docking (Democratic) [Replacing John F. Kennedy], Senator Barry Goldwater (Independent - States' Rights Endorsed - Libertarian Coupon)
 

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2017 - 2021: Businessman Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Fmr. Secretary Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

2021 - 2023: Senator Kamala Harris (Democratic)
2020 (Acting) def. Vice President Mike Pence (Republican)

2023 - 2025: Fmr. Vice President Joe Biden (Democratic)
2020 (with Kamala Harris) def. President Donald Trump (Republican), Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian), various faithless electors

2025 -
2026: Vice President Kamala Harris (Democratic)
2024 (with Doug Jones) def. Senator Sarah Palin (Republican)
 

rosa

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1933 - 1937: Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1936 (with John Nance Garner) def. President Herbert Hoover (Republican)

1937 - 1941: Senator Alf Landon (Republican)
1936 (with Frank Knox) def. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Senator Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)

1941 - 1943: Senator Huey P. Long (Democratic)
1940 (with James F. Byrnes) def. President Alf Landon (Republican), Fmr. Vice President John Nance Garner (Independent Democratic)
1943 - 1945: Vice President James F. Byrnes (Democratic)

1945 - 1948: Businessman Wendell Wilkie (Republican)
1944 (with Harlan J. Bushfield) def. President James Byrnes (Democratic), Fmr. President Huey P. Long (Independent)
1948 - 1949: Senator Arthur Vandenberg (Republican)

1949 - 1952: Fmr. President Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1948 (with John W. Bricker) def. Fmr. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (Social Contract), Fmr. President James Byrnes (Democratic), , Fmr. President Huey P. Long (Kingfish), Fmr. President Alf Landon (Midwest Progressive), Fmr. Vice President John Nance Garner (Write-in)

 

rosa

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1973 - 1981: Senator George McGovern (Democratic)
1972 (with Walter Mondale) def. Vice President Spiro Agnew (Republican) [Replacing Richard Nixon], Gov. George Wallace (American Independent), Faithless Elector for John Hospers, Faithless Elector for Richard Nixon
1976
(with Walter Mondale) def. Fmr. Governor Ronald Reagan (Republican)

1981 - 1984: Vice President Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1980 (with John Glenn) def. Rep. Guy Vander Jagt (Republican) [Replacing Richard Nixon], Gov. Tom McCall (Third Force)
 

rosa

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2009 - 2013: Senator John Edwards (Democratic)
2008 (with Kathleen Sebelius) def. Senator John McCain (Republican)


2013 - 2021: Fmr. Governor Sarah Palin (Republican)
2012 (with Bill Frist) def. President John Edwards (Democratic), Fmr. Mayor Mike Bloomberg (Independent)

2016 (with Bill Frist) def. Senator Hillary Clinton (Democratic), Mr. Jesse Ventura (Libertarian), Fmr. Senator Jim Webb (Independent)

2021 - 2024: Governor Jason Carter (Democratic)
2020 (with Grace Meng) def. Vice President Bill Frist (Republican)
 

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Electoral History of Richard M. Nixon (1913 - 1994)

1947 - 1950: Republican, Member of the United States House of Representatives from California's 12th District

1946 (primary) Richard Nixon (Republican, 64.09%) def. Jerry Voorhis (Democratic, 31.85%), William Kinnett (Republican, 4.02%)
1946 (general) Richard Nixon (Republican, 56.02%) def. Jerry Voorhis (Democratic, 42.7%), John Hoeppel (Prohibition, 1.26%)
1948 (general) Richard Nixon (Republican, 87.8%) def. Una W. Rice (Progressive, 12.2%)

1951 - 1953: Republican, Member of the United States Senate from California

1950 (primary) Richard Nixon (Republican, 64.59%) def. Manchester Boddy (Republican, 13.68%), Helen Galahan Douglas (Democratic, 13.41%), Earl D. Desmond (Republican, 5.29%)
1950 (general) Richard Nixon, (Republican, 59.23%) def. Helen Galahan Douglas (Democratic, 40.76%)


1953 - 1961: Republican, Vice President of the United States of America

1952 (general) Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon (Republican, 442 EVs, 55.2%) def. Adlai Stevenson and John Sparkman (Democratic, 89 EVs, 44.3%), Vincent Hallinan and Charlotte Bass (Progressive, 0 EVs, 0.23%)
1956 (general) Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon (Republican, 457 EVs, 57.4%) def. Adlai Stevenson and Estes Kefauver (Democratic, 73 EVs, 42%), Walter B. Jones and Herman Talmadge (Unpledged, 1 EV, 0%)


1960: Republican, nominee for President of the United States of America

1960 (convention) Richard Nixon (Republican, 1,321 delegates) def. Barry Goldwater (Republican, 10 delegates)
1960 (general) John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic, 303 EVs, 49.72%) def. Richard Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican, 219 EVs, 49.55%), Harry F. Byrd and Strom Thurmond (Unpledged, 14 EVs, 0 PVs), Harry F. Byrd and Barry Goldwater (Unpledged, 1 EV, 0 PVs)


1963 - 1971: Republican, Governor of California

1962 (general) Richard Nixon (Republican, 49.89%) def. Pat Brown (Democratic, 48.92%), Robert L. Wyckoff (Prohibition, 1.19%)
1966 (general) Richard Nixon (Republican, 50.96%) def. Sam Yorty (Democratic, 44.77%), Jesse Unruh (Write-in, 4.23%)


1975 - 1985: Republican, Member of the United States Senate from California

1974 (primary) Richard M. Nixon (Republican, 75.8%) def. H.L. Richardson (24.2%)
1974 (general) Richard M. Nixon (Republican, 50.03%) def. Alan Cranston (Democratic, 49.97%)
1980 (general) Richard M. Nixon (Republican, 51.45%) def. Jerry Brown (Democratic, 30.25%), Tom Hayden (Peace and Freedom, 18.3%)


1985 - 1989: Independent, President of the United States of America

1984 (general) Richard Nixon and John Sununu (Independent, 270 EVs, 35.86%) def. Al Gore and Dianne Feinstein (Democratic, 217 EVs, 30.38%), Reverend Pat Robertson (Republican, 40 EVs, 20.56%), Reverend Jesse Jackson (Independent, 11 EVs, 11.2%)
 

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1993 - 2005: Governor Bill Clinton (Democratic)
1992 (with Al Gore) def. Pres. George H.W. Bush (Republican), Businessman Ross Perot (Independent)

1996 (with Al Gore) def. Senator Bob Dole (Republican), Businessman Ross Perot (Reform)
2000 (with Mary Landrieu) def. Fmr. Rep. Jack Kemp (Republican), Senator Bob Smith (U.S. Taxpayers')
 
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