Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[Japhy]

Mario Cuomo, dull?

It's less likely then you think.

 

[Callan]

Mario Cuomo, dull?

It's less likely then you think.

He's the exception that proves the rule.

Really someone like Gephardt would be a better fit (I'll change it to that when I put in the footnotes) but I honestly was trying more to imitate 80% of the PMs and Presidents lists as opposed to properly dull DullPunk.

I am however immensely proud of Shaheen as the DullPunk history-maker.

 

[Japhy]

He's the exception that proves the rule.

Really someone like Gephardt would be a better fit (I'll change it to that when I put in the footnotes) but I honestly was trying more to imitate 80% of the PMs and Presidents lists as opposed to properly dull DullPunk.

I am however immensely proud of Shaheen as the DullPunk history-maker.

Alright that's legit.

 

[AndrewH]

Reposting from AH.com:

On this day in History...​

Lester Holt: “Forty years ago today, President Ford addressed the nation in the aftermath of the disastrous Operation Morning Dawn; proposed by then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Morning Dawn’s failed military rescue of American hostages held by the state of Iran led to the death of seven hostages and twelve American soldiers. Ford, in a highly controversial speech made on national television, accepted the brunt of the blame for the debacle, and announced that he would not be endorsing any candidate in the 1980 Republican Primaries. The failed intervention is viewed as responsible for President Mondale’s landslide victory in the General Election that year, and years of cold relations between Iran and the U.S. that culminated in the Iran War, lasting from 1998 to 2003.”

Presidents of the United States, 1974 - present:
1974 - 1981: Gerald Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)
defeated, 1976: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1981 - 1989: Walter Mondale / Sam Nunn (Democratic)
defeated, 1980: George H.W. Bush / Dick Lugar (Republican)
defeated, 1984: Bob Dole / Lamar Alexander (Republican)
1989 - 1997: Sam Nunn / Jim McDermott (Democratic)
defeated, 1988: Alexander Haig / Dennis Dillon (Republican)
defeated, 1992: John Warner / Thomas Kean (Republican)
1997 - 2001: Bob Martinez / Gordon J. Humphrey (Republican)
defeated, 1996: Pat Schroeder / Jim Blanchard (Democratic)
2001 - 2005: Paul Wellstone / Phil Bredesen (Democratic)
defeated, 2000: Bob Martinez / Gordon J. Humphrey (Republican)
2005 - 2013: Robert Mosbacher, Jr. / Jim Webb (Republican)
defeated, 2004: Paul Wellstone / Phil Bredesen (Democratic)
defeated, 2008: Steve Westly / Mike Madigan (Democratic), Ron Paul / various (Independent)
2013 - present: Glenn Greenwald / Darell Steinberg (Democratic)
defeated, 2012: Jim Webb / Danny Rehberg (Republican), Randy Brogdon / Michelle Bachmann (Independent)
defeated, 2016: Michelle Bachmann / Richard Burr (Republican)

 

[Japhy]

Ford wouldn't have been eligible to run in 1980 but never the less a fun reimaging of the US political impact of the Mid East.

 

[Gorrister]

Kremlin Glenn in the White House.

Get out the polonium, lads.

 

[Oppo]

Jim Gilmore

j i m

 

[Turquoise Blue]

American presidents in my Two Britains thing. Will expand when I have access to a computer.

Champ Clark (Democratic) 1913-1917
Charles Evans Hughes (Republican) 1917-1925
Irvine Lenroot (Republican) 1925-1933
William Randolph Hearst (Democratic) 1933*
William H. Murray (Democratic) 1933-1945
Douglas MacArthur (Republican) 1945-1958*
Thomas Dewey (Republican) 1958-1965
G. Mennen Williams (Democratic) 1965-1973
George McGovern (Democratic) 1973-1977
Howard Baker (Republican) 1977-1981
Richard Nixon (Independent) 1981-1989
Phil Crane (Republican) 1989-1994*
Avril Campbell (Republican) 1994-1997
Warren Beatty (Democratic) 1997-2005
Claudine Schneider (Republican) 2005-2013
Richard Ojeda (Democratic) 2013-2018*
Kyrsten Sinema (Democratic) 2018-present

 

[Mumby]

I've started a new game as the CSA in Kaiserreich because I am an utter stereotype, so here's a list showing the state of play at the point where Revolution breaks out...

1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1912 (with Thomas R. Marshall) def. Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive), William Howard Taft (Republican)
1916 (with Thomas R. Marshall) def. Charles E. Hughes (Republican)
1921-1929: William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1920 (with Alexander Palmer) def. Hiram Johnson (Republican)
1924 (with Alexander Palmer) def. Frank Orren Lowden (Republican)
1929-1936: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1928 (with Charles Curtis) def. Al Smith (Democratic), Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1932 (with Charles Curtis) def. Al Smith (Democratic), Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1936-1938: Douglas MacArthur (Independent leading Military Junto with elements of Republicans and Democrats)


1938-1938: Jack Reed (Socialist leading Combined Front of the Syndicalists of America)
1938-1938: Central Chamber Committee (Combined Front of Syndicalists of America)
1938-0000: Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (Combined Workers' of America)
1938 def. Norman Thomas (Socialist), Earl Browder (Communist)

 

[Ares96]

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[Mumby]

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i couldnt help myself

 

[Stuyvesant]

Since we're doing this...

1921-1929: William Gibbs McAdoo/Alexander Mitchell Palmer (Democratic)
def 1920: Miles Poindexter/Leonard Wood (Republican)
def 1924: Robert M. La Follette/Thomas C. DuPont (Republican), Eugene V. Debs/George Roewer (Socialist)
1929-1937: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (Republican)
def 1928: Al Smith/Joseph Robinson (Democratic), Norman Thomas/James H. Maurer (Socialist)
def 1932: ???/??? (Democratic), Norman Thomas/James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1937-1940: Charles Curtis/Quentin Roosevelt (Republican)
def 1936: John Nance Garner/Adlai Stevenson II (Democratic), Jack Reed/Paul Mattick (Socialist), Huey Long/Charles Lindbergh (America First)
1940-1945: Quentin Roosevelt/Arthur H. Vandenberg (Republican)
def 1940: John Nance Garner/Harry S Truman (Democratic), Norman Thomas/Maynard C. Krueger (Socialist)
1945-1953: Cordell Hull/Harry S Truman (Democratic)
def 1944: Quentin Roosevelt/Arthur H. Vandenberg (Republican)
def 1948: Thomas Dewey/Henry A. Wallace (Republican)

 

[Japhy]

Kaiserreich lists you say?

Well here's one thats not an actual game option but is something I've always wondered about why it isn't an option, especially considering what can go down in Spain in the game.


1913-1921: T. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram Johnson (Progressive), William H. Taft / Nicholas M. Butler [James S. Sherman] (Republican), Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1916: Charles E. Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), Allen L. Benson / George R. Kirkpatrick (Socialist)
1921-1929: William G. McAdoo / A. Mitchell Palmer (Democratic)
1920: Frank O. Lowden / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican), Eugene V. Debs / Seymour Stedman (Socialist)
1924: Charles E. Hughes / Hiram Johnson (Republican), William D. Haywood / William B. Green (Popular Front --- Socialist, Labor, Progressive)
1929-1936: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1928: James A. Reed / Charles H. Randall (Democratic), Alfred E. Smith / John S. Williams (Liberal Democratic), Daniel W. Hoan / Benjamin Gitlow (Socialist)
1932: William Langer / Edward L. Jackson (Non-Partisan), Henry S. Breckinridge / C. Benjamin Ross (Democratic), Daniel W. Hoan / Algernon Lee (Socialist)
1936-1937: Gen. Douglas MacArthur, USA / MjGen. George Van Horn Moseley, USA (Military Government / Washington Rally)
1936: Cancelled
1937-1945: FM Douglas MacArthur, USA / Charles A. Lindbergh (National Front --- Washington Rally / America First)
1940: Cancelled
1945-1957: FM Douglas MacArthur, USA / Gerald L. K. Smith (America First)
1944: Harold Stassen / Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (Democratic-Republican for America First)
1948: J. Strom Thurmond / Prescott S. Bush (Democratic-Republican for America First)
1952: Postponed
1953: John G. Crommelin / Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic-Republican for America First)
1957-1962: FM Douglas MacArthur, USA / Clarence Manion (America First)
1956: George L. Rockwell / George A. Smathers (Democratic-Republican for America First)
1960: Dwight D. Eisenhower / J. Bracken Lee (Democratic-Republican for America First)
1962-1963: FM Douglas MacArthur, USA / Joseph R. McCarthy (America First)
1963-1967: Joseph R. McCarthy / FltAdm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, USN (America First)
1964: Cancelled
1967-1969: Joseph R. McCarthy / Robert F. Kennedy (Revived National Front --- America First (Official), Conservative, Action, Patriotic Democratic-Republican, Independents)
1969-1973: W. Ramsey Clark / Paul N. McCloskey, Jr. (National Association for Reform --- Liberal, Freedom, National Constitutional, Pan-American, New Federalist & Whig)
1968: Joseph R. McCarthy / Robert F. Kennedy (Revived National Front -- et al), Eugene J. McCarthy / Dorothy Day (Progressive Coalition --- Industrial Democracy, Social, National Council Alliance, Combine of American Labor, True Democracy, Progressive), Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. / Ezra T. Benson (America First (Neo-Longist))

The long drawn out nature of the Weltkrieg, and the failure of the United States Government, Industry and Wall Street to back the right horse sent the United States into a second Long Depression in the early 1920s that dragged on for years before finally falling into the abyss in 1936 as the rickity world of Berlin-Vienna Finance came tumbling down. Though the interwar years the Republican Party struggled to overcome the long legacy of the Roosevelt-Taft split, the Socialists struggled to choose between more moderate social reform and the growing radicalism of its Syndicalist wing, leading to Big Bill Haywood being chained to a moderate platform in 1924, followed by the two practically liberal runs of Daniel Hoan. 1928 saw the Democrats split between a reformist and "Wilsonian" pair of tickets sending Herbert Hoover into the White House. And 1932 would see President Hoover's main challenger be an Agrarian, all men to all people ticket which simply shouted slogans that could have come from the greatest ad men rather then concrete policies on effectively anything.

1936 would see the authority of the United States actually begin to fall apart as street violence became rampant and discontent in rural stretches of the country see the expulsion of legal authority. Huey Long had organized a violent, militant National Populist Movement in his America First Party while the failures of the Popular Front and Hoan saw the Syndicalists finally assume control of the American Far Left with "One Big Union" becoming not just an organizing force but a state-within-the-state. In September of that year, with the Democratic and Republican candidates a mix of impotency and willingness to negotiate with the Syndicalists and Long, Douglas MacArthur, Chief of Staff of the United States Army seized control of the US government and sent the nation into Civil War as the Syndicalists declared the CSA in Chicago and the Western US from San Fransisco Bay to Denver declared a new nation, in an effort to escape the madness. MacArthur, on the backfoot was forced to reach out to the one major Anti-Syndicalist force in what was left of the United States. While Huey Long and MacArthur could agree on defeating Socialism and the need for a militarist nation with a curtailing of the democratic process, the egos were too much and negotiations stalled while the Minutemen and the US Army on the front struggled to hold back the International Divisions and the Red Menace. As Baltimore burned MacArthur declared he would not retreat from Washington as long as he lived and Huey Long, always looking for an angle to secure more powerful sought to make a deal with the Devil. When the America First Party leadership and Governors were informed of these talks with Jack Reed, and the plan for a coup against MacArthur to secure Peace, all in the name of turning America First into the only Anti-Syndicalist force for a second civil war that would surely follow, the Governors and party Chiefs balked. After half a decade of the party being built up around the brilliance of one man, they broke with him, Long was arrested and killed by Minutemen and Georgia National Guardsmen as he stayed in an Atlanta hotel. The plotters had reached out to MacArthur in the short time frame between the news and the killing and thus has secured their place at the table. Charles Lindbergh, the mass popular Vice Chairman of the Party would become Vice President, and MacArthurs weak political establishment and America First entered into an alliance which would last for decades.

By the end of 1937 the Pacific States of America were defeated, at which point a new second front opened up as Mexico and Centroamerica entered the war invading Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California in the name of national restitution and at least superficially Syndicalism. 1938 would see the United States Army finally make it to New York City, commencing years of border incidents with the Canadians in New England and cutting off the CSA from its Internationale friends. 1939 saw Jack Reed commit suicide in an underground vault in the Chicago Hotel he had taken over as his headquarters. It wasn't until 1941 that the last major field force of the CSA, led by General Jimmy Hoffa in the Rockies and the defeat of the last Latin Syndicalists before the British-seized Panama Canal. But in the end MacArthur and his allies in America First had gained control of most of the continent. Overlapping this for a time was the Franco-German War of 1940, the Second Russian Civil War, which set the stage for Savinkov and his National Populist dictatorship, the Fifth Chinese Revolution which saw the collapse of the Qing and the expulsion of the German concessions, the madness and collapse of the Indian Kaiserreich and the British invasion of Ireland and the Anglo-Canadian Naval Conflict in Iceland. The world, while in chaos managed to just avoid a second Weltkrieg as these conflicts failed to condense into a unitary conflict. By 1944 MacArthur's dictatorship was thus, not just secure but had become a major pillar in the tangle of alliances that spanned the globe and maintained the fragile peace of exhaustion that followed.

After cancelling the 1936 and 1940 elections due to the War, MacArthur, now a self-appointed Field Marshal reorganized his National Front and assumed direct control of America First, in the name of maintaining the pretense of at least some Democracy elections resumed with one legal "opposition" party. Over the next several decades the number of states that MacArthur lost in these elections could be counted on two hands. In 1952 elections would be delayed when Germany and the Edward-Darlan-Savinkov-Yasuhito Entente went to war across Eurasia in 1950. The United States initally would stay out of this conflict but in 1951 would come into it just as Savinkov's Armored Fronts made it to Berlin forcing the German Government to flee first to Frankfurt and eventually to East Africa. Not wanting to miss out on the Spoils MacArthur would send American Forces to defeat the "Little Central Powers" of South America and to deploy US troops to 'Liberate' Liberia from the German Yoke. In 1953 with the German Empire routed and Kaiser Wilhelm III dead, the elections of that year would resume.

1957 would see MacArthur shuffle the deck of his administration, as old age began to catch up to him Charles Manion not only served as a hard nosed hatchet man and bombastic demagogue but began to manage much of the day to day work of the regime for his chief, in sharp contrast to his predecessors who had merely managed special projects or propaganda efforts. The Chief assumed that he had maybe a decade left and Manion was just the man to take over for him afterwards and keep the United States and America First strong. And then the Syndicalist underground interrupted this plan. A well aimed sniper shot in 1962 put Manion in the grave and scrambling for a replacement the Old Solider settled on a middle aged veteran of the Syndicalist Wars and the Invasion of La Plata turned member of the rubber stamp chamber of experts that was the United States Senate.

Joe McCarthy was not a good man, but when Douglas MacArthur died less then 18 months later he became president with a plan. He was a very conservative man, but he abhorred the racial discrimination of the MacArthur system having commanded segregated Black Aircraft Mechanics in the late 1930s when running an airfield often meant also being able to grab pistols and hand grenades to fight off Syndie raiders. He abhorred the legacy of Van Horn Mosley and Lindbergh and Fritz Kuhn with their madness of genetic hygene and their ridiculous standards of WASP supremacy and what they had done to the nation of immigrants America had once been. And deep down, he had always longed for there to be truth behind the cheap talk of America First, that a real Democracy was going to come. MacArthur had misjudged his successor, and so it was that Drunken, Angry, Hate-filled but cunning, calculating and occasionally Brilliant Joseph McCarthy started to dismantle the system that he'd been put in charge of. With the highest ranking officer in the US military on his side, and with a small but effective cabal the system started to be dismantled, first with free elections in Mexico and Central America, 1966 would see the Congress elected not by small, party approved committees by by popular vote, with "Independent" candidates allowed as long as they were a member of the two legal parties. Quiet purges removed threats to this liberalizing process and in 1967 the bombshell dropped, Free and Open politics, amnesty, and the shut down of the internment camps. There was chaos, and McCarthy responded with a heavy hand, thousands of students protesting for Syndicalism would be killed by Army troops, hardened with members of the minutemen who had been broken up and added into the regular service. The old guard fanatics would try to kill McCarthy no less then half a dozen times and start bombing campaigns. But the 1968 elections weren't a sham. McCarthy had hoped that he would win thanks to his concessions, and be able to continue to guide the growing Democracy as he saw fit. Instead he was thrown on his ear by a country that recognized him as a disgusting figure in spite of the gains he made.

And for a moment the whole thing was up in the air. For all of his rhetoric, McCarthy had wanted the restored Democracy to be HIS democracy, and assumed that the National Association for Reform that defeated him in the polls was the same as the Progressives or the Neo-Longists, determined to subvert the project towards radicalism and a new dictatorship. With an eye for saving his dream of a socially conservative, naturally near-reactionary Democracy where everyone agreed to back him, he attempted to convince Elmo Zumwalt the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs, Bobby Kennedy the natural leader of the new parties that had backed McCarthy, his older brothers whom he had split with who had pinned their positions to the Neo-Longists and Richard Nixon the Party Commadant of America First to help him retain power by force. The Kennedy brothers, already descending into hate towards each other and, eyeing 1972 wasn't interested in working with the lame duck or with each other. Zumwalt told him the troops would not fight, and Richard Nixon hoping to reform the party and to reassume leadership of the nation was convinced McCarthy wasn't the man for the job. And so the thing, and McCarthy himself fizzled into obscurity.

 

[Stuyvesant]

@Japhy Near as I can tell, that'll be one of the options in the America rework.

 

[Japhy]

@Japhy Near as I can tell, that'll be one of the options in the America rework.

Nice.

 

[Gonzo]

List of Premiers of Quebec

1968-1974: Jean-Guy Cardinal (Union Nationale)
1970: Robert Bourassa (Liberal), Camil Samson (Parti creditiste), Rene Levesque (Mouvement Souveraineté-Association), Pierre Bourgault (Rassemblement pour l'Indépendance Nationale)
1974-1979: Claude Wagner (Liberal)
1974: Jean-Guy Cardinal (Union Nationale), Yvon Dupuis (Parti creditiste), Rene Levesque (Mouvement Souveraineté-Association), Pierre Bourgault (Rassemblement pour l'Indépendance Nationale)
1978: Jean-Guy Cardinal (Union Nationale), Camil Samson (Parti creditiste), Pierre Bourgault (Rassemblement pour l'Indépendance Nationale)
1979-1982: Claude Ryan (Liberal)
1982-????: Pierre-Marc Johnson (Union Nationale)
1982: Claude Ryan (Liberal), Camil Samson (Parti creditiste), William Shaw (Progressive Conservative), Pierre Bourgault (Bloc Quebecois)
1986: Robert Bourassa (Liberal), Camil Samson (Parti creditiste), William Shaw (Progressive Conservative), Pierre Bourgault (Bloc Quebecois)
1988: Robert Bourassa (Liberal), Camil Samson (Parti creditiste), William Shaw (Progressive Conservative), Pierre Bourgault (Bloc Quebecois)
1989 Sovereignty Referendum: Yes 51.2%, No 48.8%

List of Prime Ministers of Quebec

1991-1994: Pierre-Marc Johnson (Union Nationale)
1991: Pierre Laporte (Liberal), Camil Samson (Parti creditste), Robert Libman (Equality), Guy Betrand (Bloc Quebecois 'Pur et dur!')
1994-1995: Raynald Fréchette (Union Nationale)
1995-1999: Camil Samson (Liberal)
1995: Raynald Fréchette (Union Nationale), Robert Libman (Equality), Guy Bertrand (Bloc Quebecois 'Pur et dur!'), Paul Rose (Parti de la Democratie Socialiste)
1999-????: Lucien Bouchard (Union Nationale)
1999: Camil Samson (Liberal), Robert Libman (Equality), Guy Bertrand (Bloc Quebecois 'Pur et dur!'), Mario Dumont (Action démocratique du Québec), Paul Rose (Parti de la Democratie Socialiste)

 

[Mumby]

@Japhy Near as I can tell, that'll be one of the options in the America rework.

The reworked AUS stuff looks saucy

 

[Japhy]

The reworked AUS stuff looks saucy

Also Nice.

 

[Mumby]

Also Nice.

The thing that leapt out at me as being 'YES' is that it looks like its not a 'Love You Long Time Populism' vs 'Its NOT The KKK Fascism' game, they've introduced the option to do 'The Business Plot But Smedley Butler Is Extremely Missing'.

 

[Japhy]

The thing that leapt out at me as being 'YES' is that it looks like its not a 'Love You Long Time Populism' vs 'Its NOT The KKK Fascism' game, they've introduced the option to do 'The Business Plot But Smedley Butler Is Extremely Missing'.

So you mean it doesn't actually exist except over cocktails because Butler made it all up?