Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[Charles EP M.]

You may think I'm implying the Demon Headmaster is the Master but I can't possibly comment.

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

You may think I'm implying the Demon Headmaster is the Master but I can't possibly comment.

IIRC Lance Parkin wrote a story for a fanzine where the post-War In Heaven Master ended up as a sinister hypnosis-using headmaster in a British boarding school, so there's a legitimate case that this is true.

 

[Charles EP M.]

IIRC Lance Parkin wrote a story for a fanzine where the post-War In Heaven Master ended up as a sinister hypnosis-using headmaster in a British boarding school, so there's a legitimate case that this is true.

This raises a question after the revival: is the Master brought into the Time War the Hardiman Master or the cloned Gleaves Master, and what happened to the other one??

 

[rosa]

1969 - 1974: Fmr. Vice President Richard Nixon (Republican)
1968 (with Spiro Agnew) def. Vice President Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), Governor George Wallace (American Independent)
1972 (with Spiro Agnew) def. Senator Edmund Muskie (Democratic), John Hospers Faithless elector
1975 - 1977: Vice President Gerald Ford (Republican)

1977 - 1981: Senator George McGovern (Democratic)
1976 (with Moon Landrieu) def. Fmr. Governor Ronald Reagan (Republican)

1981 - 1989: Fmr. President Gerald Ford (Republican)
1980 (with Bob Dole) def. President George McGovern (Democratic)
1984 (with Bob Dole) def. Fmr. Vice President Moon Landrieu (Democratic)

1989 - 1993: Fmr. President George McGovern (Democratic)
1988 (with Bess Myerson) def. Senator Barry Goldwater Jr. (Republican), Rep. Jim Traficant (Populist)

1993 - 1997: Fmr. Senator Howard Baker (Republican)
1992 (with Elizabeth Dole) def. Governor Mario Cuomo (Democratic)

1997 - present: Fmr. Vice President Bess Myerson (Democratic)
1996 (with Hamilton Jordon) def. President Howard Baker (Republican), Governor John Silber (Independent)

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

This raises a question after the revival: is the Master brought into the Time War the Hardiman Master or the cloned Gleaves Master, and what happened to the other one??

The Gleaves version regenerates into first the child War Master from the Titan Comics, and then into Dhawan. Meanwhile the original becomes first Yana, then Saxon, then Missy. I am very intelligent

Anyway, S.P.L.A.T--Bannerman Road Gang teamup when?

 

[Japhy]

The Armalites of the South

1861-1862: Jefferson F. Davis / Alexander H. Stephens (Non-Partisan) [Provisional]
1862-1868: Jefferson F. Davis / Alexander H. Stephens (Pro-Administration / Anti-Administration)

1861: Unopposed​

1868-1871: Nathan B. Forrest / Howell Cobb (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)

1867: John C. Breckinridge / Albert G. Brown (Jeffersonian), Robert E. Lee / scattered (Pro-Administration Independent)​

1871-1874: Nathan B. Forrest / vacant (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)
1874: Fitzhugh Lee / Patrick C. Cleburne (Jeffersonian)

1873: Louis T. Wigfall / Leonidas Polk (Patriot's)​

1874-1902: Wade Hampton III / Sterling Price, later various (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)

AWB Time-travels to 1864, turns the war around at the last hour. Robert E. Lee's opposition to them comes from their extra-territorial status in the Confederacy and the undue influence these men from another world have on his Confederacy. Getting his hands on a history of the Civil War as it was he finds himself increasingly unsure of what has come to pass but finds little political support for it. His silence for a time is bought with nitroglycerine pills but as Confederate Politics develops between the Pro-Expansionist, Pro-International Slave Trade and AWB supported Patriots who have questionable views about continued Democracy in the Confederacy and the Jeffersonians who are hardly better and want to tiptoe around the AWB Lee finally throws his hat into the ring. The results are disappointing though for him, but surprising for such a political novice, he wins a majority in his home state of Virginia and on a national scale wins more votes then John C. Breckinridge but outside of Virginia he fails to make any gains in the Electoral College, and in fact loses several delegates pledged to him there.

The Forrest years are brutal, the Ku Klux Klan, a new veterans organization funded by the AWB grows in size and violence in support of the Patriots. AWB backed filibusters set off for Central America and the Coast of Africa. The United States dictatorship under President McClellan is bogged down in a war in Canada against Britain, Mexican Republicans are defeated by Napoleon III and in Santo Domingo the yoke of the Spanish Empire is entrenched. Robert E. Lee is overwhelmed by the sense that Democracy in the world is dying but cannot for years yet reconcile his worries for such with the growing discomfort he feels about his knowledge of the end of Slavery in the world that was supposed to be. He retreats from the question for some time, to become the Commandant of the Virginia Military Institute and to organize the decentralized system that would become the Confederate Military Academy system.

And then in 1873 he does find some degree of hope. His nephew Fitzhugh becomes the Jeffersonian candidate for President and begins to openly question the violence's spreading across the Americas and the growing economic and political power of the non-citizen, and diplomatically immune, and growing AWB population. In this campaign Marse Robert found a new hope. he traveled the nation he fought for, he met with old comrades many of whom worried about the Confederacy becoming an AWB colony, and some admitting that they knew it already was a protectorate. In his rhetoric, Robert E. Lee grew bolder about his disdain for what the South was becoming but still, even as the election grew nearer grappled with his conflicted feelings that he now held for the Peculiar Instiution.

And then, Fitzhugh won. The AWB and the KKK were furious and seemed to many to be staying in their tents like Achilles, or Guilty Men. In Richmond and Rivington there was intense negotiations. The AWB hardly cared about the Patriot's but their personal status while the Patriot's held their own aims about what the South should be. And in these Negotiations, quietly done in empty offices and hotels, Robert E. Lee would find himself outfoxed and growing more and more tired. But also more revolted by what he had helped create. In the end the deal as it was was a mere papering over of the problems of the three factions in Southern Politics. But Lee trusted these men at their word. And so the inauguration moved forward. In the week before though things began to turn sour. AWB-KKK forces began protesting. In New Orleans a mob seized control of the city. Filibuster forces started returning home. A coup seemed inevitable.

Fitzhugh and his uncle were ready to fight though, and the inaugural was a tight military affair heavy in security. But shortly after the swearing in, word came over the Telegraph wire, the regular army units outside of the City, under the command of George Pickett were in revolt, and other revolts were happening across the Country. Fitzhugh was hurried off the stage, he would attempt to escape the city for Petersburg but was doomed. As the forces of Counter-Revolution closed it it was Robert E. Lee who gave the final, off the cuff address of the hopeful administration. He would die giving it, as the assassins bullet ripped into him from what seemed like an impossible range. But what he said would live on forever in the dark shadows, the company towns and the slave cabins for decades to come. For he told the world the truth he had denied forever: that Slavery was wrong, that the AWB was an evil, that true republicanism called for the involvement of all peoples to have a say in their life.

In what would follow Lee was the South's greatest traitor, but long after he was dead and gone, long after Wade Hampton had fallen into corrupt irrelevance under the lords of the AWB, Lee's Last Address as it would forever be called would keep a fire going, one that would, eventually see the dreams of Lee's old opponent Abraham Lincoln be realized

 

[zaffre]

The Armalites of the South

1861-1862: Jefferson F. Davis / Alexander H. Stephens (Non-Partisan) [Provisional]
1862-1868: Jefferson F. Davis / Alexander H. Stephens (Pro-Administration / Anti-Administration)

1861: Unopposed​

1868-1871: Nathan B. Forrest / Howell Cobb (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)

1867: John C. Breckinridge / Albert G. Brown (Jeffersonian), Robert E. Lee / scattered (Pro-Administration Independent)​

1871-1874: Nathan B. Forrest / vacant (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)
1874: Fitzhugh Lee / Patrick C. Cleburne (Jeffersonian)

1873: Louis T. Wigfall / Leonidas Polk (Patriot's)​

1874-1902: Wade Hampton III / Sterling Price, later various including Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson (Patriot's, with extra-political support from America Will Break)

AWB Time-travels to 1864, turns the war around at the last hour. Robert E. Lee's opposition to them comes from their extra-territorial status in the Confederacy and the undue influence these men from another world have on his Confederacy. Getting his hands on a history of the Civil War as it was he finds himself increasingly unsure of what has come to pass but finds little political support for it. His silence for a time is bought with nitroglycerine pills but as Confederate Politics develops between the Pro-Expansionist, Pro-International Slave Trade and AWB supported Patriots who have questionable views about continued Democracy in the Confederacy and the Jeffersonians who are hardly better and want to tiptoe around the AWB Lee finally throws his hat into the ring. The results are disappointing though for him, but surprising for such a political novice, he wins a majority in his home state of Virginia and on a national scale wins more votes then John C. Breckinridge but outside of Virginia he fails to make any gains in the Electoral College, and in fact loses several delegates pledged to him there.

The Forrest years are brutal, the Ku Klux Klan, a new veterans organization funded by the AWB grows in size and violence in support of the Patriots. AWB backed filibusters set off for Central America and the Coast of Africa. The United States dictatorship under President McClellan is bogged down in a war in Canada against Britain, Mexican Republicans are defeated by Napoleon III and in Santo Domingo the yoke of the Spanish Empire is entrenched. Robert E. Lee is overwhelmed by the sense that Democracy in the world is dying but cannot for years yet reconcile his worries for such with the growing discomfort he feels about his knowledge of the end of Slavery in the world that was supposed to be. He retreats from the question for some time, to become the Commandant of the Virginia Military Institute and to organize the decentralized system that would become the Confederate Military Academy system.

And then in 1873 he does find some degree of hope. His nephew Fitzhugh becomes the Jeffersonian candidate for President and begins to openly question the violence's spreading across the Americas and the growing economic and political power of the non-citizen, and diplomatically immune, and growing AWB population. In this campaign Marse Robert found a new hope. he traveled the nation he fought for, he met with old comrades many of whom worried about the Confederacy becoming an AWB colony, and some admitting that they knew it already was a protectorate. In his rhetoric, Robert E. Lee grew bolder about his disdain for what the South was becoming but still, even as the election grew nearer grappled with his conflicted feelings that he now held for the Peculiar Instiution.

And then, Fitzhugh won. The AWB and the KKK were furious and seemed to many to be staying in their tents like Achilles, or Guilty Men. In Richmond and Rivington there was intense negotiations. The AWB hardly cared about the Patriot's but their personal status while the Patriot's held their own aims about what the South should be. And in these Negotiations, quietly done in empty offices and hotels, Robert E. Lee would find himself outfoxed and growing more and more tired. But also more revolted by what he had helped create. In the end the deal as it was was a mere papering over of the problems of the three factions in Southern Politics. But Lee trusted these men at their word. And so the inauguration moved forward. In the week before though things began to turn sour. AWB-KKK forces began protesting. In New Orleans a mob seized control of the city. Filibuster forces started returning home. A coup seemed inevitable.

Fitzhugh and his uncle were ready to fight though, and the inaugural was a tight military affair heavy in security. But shortly after the swearing in, word came over the Telegraph wire, the regular army units outside of the City, under the command of George Pickett were in revolt, and other revolts were happening across the Country. Fitzhugh was hurried off the stage, he would attempt to escape the city for Petersburg but was doomed. As the forces of Counter-Revolution closed it it was Robert E. Lee who gave the final, off the cuff address of the hopeful administration. He would die giving it, as the assassins bullet ripped into him from what seemed like an impossible range. But what he said would live on forever in the dark shadows, the company towns and the slave cabins for decades to come. For he told the world the truth he had denied forever: that Slavery was wrong, that the AWB was an evil, that true republicanism called for the involvement of all peoples to have a say in their life.

In what would follow Lee was the South's greatest traitor, but long after he was dead and gone, long after Wade Hampton had fallen into corrupt irrelevance under the lords of the AWB, Lee's Last Address as it would forever be called would keep a fire going, one that would, eventually see the dreams of Lee's old opponent Abraham Lincoln be realized

deconstruction + reconstruction of Turtledove is always fun - remind me to actually write up “the AWB get a head start of a few years and end up turning to...William Walker” some time

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

Blue Sky Thinking
​

(Disclaimer: I do not believe that I have any insight into the future. This predictive list is merely for fun, and does not represent my views on what I believe the future is likely to be, let alone what it actually will be like).

2019-2031: Boris Johnson (Conservative)
def 2019: (Majority) Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats), Jonathan Bartley & Sian Berry (Green)
def 2024: (Majority) Keir Starmer (Labour), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Jo Cherry (I4S), Jonathan Bartley & Sian Berry (Green)
def 2029: (Majority) Kier Starmer (Labour), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Jo Cherry (I4S), Magid Magid & Amelia Womack (Green), Humza Yousaf (SNP)
2031-2035: Kwasi Kwarteng (Conservative)
2035-2043: Dehenna Davison (British People's)
def 2035: (Majority) Kwasi Kwarteng (Conservative), Vaughan Gething (Labour), Ed Davey (Liberal Democratic), Magid Magid & Amelia Womack (Green), Jo Cherry (14S), Huzma Yousaf (SNP)
def 2040: (Majority) Fay Jones (Conservative), Chloe Hutchinson (Liberal Democratic), Rosie Duffield (Labour), Kelsey Trevett & Ivi Hohmann (Green), Mhairi Black (SNP), Owain McBride (14S)
2043-2050: Lewis Brackpool (British People's)
def 2044: (Majority) Saqib Bhatti (Conservative), Chloe Hutchinson (Liberal Democratic), Kelsey Trevett & Ivi Hohmann (Green), Rosie Duffield (Labour), Mhairi Black (SNP)
def 2048: (Minority) Freddie Sawyer (Conservative endorsed by Liberal Democratic), Alexandria Thurnherr & Kyle Downie (Green [did not take seats]), Henna Shah (Labour)
2050-xxxx: Freddie Sawyer (Conservative)
def 2050: (National Alliance with Liberal Democratic and Labour) Lewis Brackpool (British People's), Hettie Ainsworth & Lewis Akers (Green [did not take seats]), Henna Shah (Labour)


It is important to recognise that Labour's collapse was inevitable. When Thatcher broke the back of the unions, she broke the Labour party's financial and recruiting base permanently. Blair might have sold the party's soul, but its spirit had already departed. Could any other party have risen to the status of opposition? It is doubtful. The SNP were geographically limited by their nature, and quickly began to crumble over a former leader's inappropriate behaviour. The Liberals might have had a chance, if their prior co-operation with the Conservatives hadn't turned off their old base and made it hard to put clear blue water between the two parties. The Greens were always an outside bet, with views that--as strange as it seems now--were considered hilariously extreme, and barely enough MPs to fill a phone booth.

So in the end, the only thing that could defeat the Conservatives was themselves.

Unlike with the Liberals, rather than being split up, both parts of the Labour Party that left ended up under the same umbrella. Increasingly upwardly-mobile ethnic minority voters plumped for the party of business, and increasingly downwardly-mobile working-class voters were swayed by the parties that claimed to speak for their nation. Of course, these two growing wings of the Conservative Party were diametrically opposed to each other. It could only end in fission. If one were to go from their self-descriptions, you would conclude that of Britain's two parties, one is economically to the right and socially to the left, and the other is the other way around. You should look more closely.

The BPP talk themselves up as the party protecting the British working-class from globalist billionaires, but they have just as many corporate sponsors as the Conservatives, even holding their last conference in a Wetherspoons PartyCentre. Those dispossessed by climatic collapse are told to suck it up, with an inundated Lincolnshire being left for dead by the 2048 budget. Continually hostile to organised labour, precarious renters, and imaginary benefits cheats, the BPP prefer the working class that exists in their mind to the real one.

On the other side of Parliament, the Conservatives are just as lukewarm on the left-wing part of their policies. While certainly more progressive than his mother, Sawyer shares her enthusiasm for deportation and anti-migrant naval action, with a record number of anti-raft boats in the channel. The UK still lags behind in government support for gender transition, with most forced to use expensive private services. The faces at the top might have reshuffled, but for those on the bottom the Conservatives are the same party they were in 2019.

In the early Naughties, British satirists joked about how the two parties had become interchangeable. Now the joke is the reality. With both parties ultimately seeing themselves as the heirs of Thatcher, the main hope for the British left lies outside politics. As the world burns and drowns, the British state slowly losing its grip on its extremities is a blessing just as much as it is a curse. Parliament might be rigged, but it's no longer the only game in town.

--Greg Cohen, Walk Away: A Left Program For The 22nd Century​

 

[Meppo]

In what would follow Lee was the South's greatest traitor, but long after he was dead and gone, long after Wade Hampton had fallen into corrupt irrelevance under the lords of the AWB, Lee's Last Address as it would forever be called would keep a fire going, one that would, eventually see the dreams of Lee's old opponent Abraham Lincoln be realized

I want to see more of these Turtledove decon-recons

Socialist Al Smith and the Population Reduction should be done justice

 

[Japhy]

I want to see more of these Turtledove decon-recons

Socialist Al Smith and the Population Reduction should be done justice

Im on it.

 

[BClick]

2021-2025: Joe Biden (Democratic)
2020 (with Kamala Harris) def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2025-2033: John Fetterman (Democratic)
2024 (with Jaime Harrison) def. Ron DeSantis (Republican)
2028 (with Jaime Harrison) def. Daniel Cameron (Republican), Joel Salatin (Libertarian)
2033-2037: Ricky Harrington (Libertarian)
2032 (with Marshall Burt) def. Jaime Harrison (Democratic), Ken Paxton (Republican)
2037-0000: Marquita Bradshaw (Democratic)
2036 (with Bob Ferguson) def. Peter Meijer (Republican), Ricky Harrington (Libertarian)

The great disappointment of the Biden administration takes its toll on the Dems. Biden compares his favorability ratings and his medical charts and decides not to run again, but with very little to show for the last four years there's not much for Harris to campaign on, and the expected primary coronation becomes anything but. When Senator Fetterman wins, the #KHive tries to gin up a write-in campaign, but America is not Twitter and the Dems fall in line. ("Bitter Harris supporters voting for DeSantis because he has a woman on the ticket" is a far overblown phenomenon, although there's definite movement back to the GOP in the suburbs, slightly reversing some of the electoral trends of the Obama and Trump years.)

The country is now led by people who want to Actually Do Something, and voting rights legislation, climate change mitigation, and paid family leave cross the President's desk - either via legislation or executive orders, depending on whether or not the Dems control Congress. Blue Dog intransigence leaves full M4A off the table but Medicaid expansion continues to get more and more Americans covered by government health insurance. Meanwhile, the Republicans careen between the culture-war faux-populism of Cruz and Hawley and the traditional conservatism of the governors who just want to get ahead with the business of crushing working people. It's a remarkably segregated political landscape, with both parties focused more on internal conflict than campaigning against each other.

After Cameron's loss in 2028, which is attributed to the cranks and racists going third party, the faux-populists seize control of the GOP and nominate the biggest troll and lib-triggerer on their bench. Paxton's criminal convictions are a plus for those in the base who see him as a martyr; they're less convincing to the general electorate, and the Republican ticket is soon polling poorer than any in decades. Vice-presidential nominee Cawthorn's claims that the GOP has finally become "the party of the multiracial working class" is less than convincing now that Fetterman and Harrison have revived the Democrats somewhat among their traditional voting blocs, and becomes a bad joke when Paxton visibly struggles to avoid hard-r racism against his opponent. Or, rather, opponents.

The Libertarians made some very small electoral gains during the 2020s with both real parties focused on their internal issues; most prominently, Extremely Online pastor Ricky Dale Harrington, Jr., actually won statewide office in Arkansas on his third try and became a bit of a national figure of fun, appealing to both Republicans and Democrats with his isolationist stances and his videos explaining (and mocking) Senate procedure. His long-expected Presidential run began gathering steam among both conservatives embarrassed by Paxton (who was now repeatedly confusing the other two candidates) and some on the vaguely-left who were worried that Harrison's past as a corporate lobbyist represented a regression to the Do Nothing Democrat era.

It was an ironic twist of fate that members of Congress - who hated Harrington's gadfly antics with a passion - were the ones who put him in office after a deadlock in the Electoral College. After the past four years of idealistic but amateurish governance, most of them have vocally regretted their decision. Not least among these are the Republicans, who accidentally completed Fetterman's goal of breaking their monolithic rural base and are making a bid to be the party of the suburbs once again...

(Not the most realistic story, I just felt like trying a "kinda fun, kinda positive" future)

 

[Time Enough]

The Electoral History of Oswald Mosley (1918-1983)

1918-1922: Conservative MP for Harrow
1918 def: Arthur Robert Chamberlayne (Independent)
1922-1924: Independent MP for Harrow
1922 def: Charles Ward Jackson (Conservative)
1923 def: Edward Hugh Frederick Morris (Conservative)
1924: Labour Parliamentary Candidate for Birmingham Ladywood
1924 (Neville Chamberlain, Conservative) def: Oswald Mosley (Labour), Alfred William Bowkett (Liberal)
1924-1926: Private Citizen, Labour
1926-1931: Labour MP for Smethwick
1926 def: Marshall James Pike (Conservative), Edwin Bayliss (Liberal)
1929 def: Roy Wise (Conservative), Maude Egerton Marshall (Liberal)
1931 (Roy Wise, Conservative) def: Oswald Mosley (Labour), Harold Nicholson (National Labour)
1929-1930: Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
1931-1935: Private Citizen, Labour
1935-1940: Labour MP for Smethwick
1935 def: Roy Wise (Conservative)
1935: Candidate for Labour Leader
1935 (Clement Attlee) def: Herbert Morrison, Arthur Greenwood, Oswald Mosley
1935-1937: Executive of the Socialist League
1936-1940: Head of Labour Friends of the Soviet Union
1940-1942: Independent MP for Smethwick
1942-1945: CommonWealth MP for Smethwick
1945 (Alfred Dobbs, Labour) def: Gilbert Harold Samuel Edgar (Conservative), Oswald Mosley (CommonWealth)
1945-1946: Private Citizen, Independent Labour Party
1946-1947: Independent Labour Party MP for Glasgow Bridgeton
1946 def: John Wheatley (Labour), Victor Dunn Warren (Unionist), Wendy Wood (Independent), Guy Aldred (United Socialist Movement)
1947-1950: Communist Party of Great Britain MP for Glasgow Bridgeton
1950 (Mary McAlister, Labour) def: Francis Charles Irwin (Unionist), Oswald Mosley (CPGB)
1950-1951: Private Citizen, CPGB
1951: CPGB Parliamentary Candidate for Glasgow Bridgeton
1951 (Mary McAlister, Labour) def: Francis Charles Irwin (Unionist), Oswald Mosley (CPGB)
1951-1955: Private Citizen, CPGB
1955: CPGB Parliamentary Candidate for Fife West
1955 (Willie Hamilton, Labour) def: Norman Wylie (Unionist), Oswald Mosley (CPGB)
1956-1975: Assistant General Secretary of the CPGB
1975-1980: General Secretary of the CPGB
1980-1981: Private Citizen, CPGB
1981-1983: Private Citizen, CPB
Died May 1st 1983

‘Britain’s Favourite Stalinist’ is the phrase often used to describe Oswald Ernald Mosley. A fixture of Mid 20th Century British politics you would often find him on chat shows arguing about Western Imperialism and the benefits of the Soviet Union. Mosley’s slide into the Far Left came about after his Mosley Memorandum failed, after considering starting a new party he would taken to the side by Harold Laski who convinced him to stay and fight for Socialism inside the party. Mosley lost Smethwick in 1931 but would stay in the party, supporting the creation of the Socialist League and Stafford Cripps in fighting for Socialism. Following the death of his wife Cynthia Mosley Andy a trip to the Soviet Union in 1934 would enrapture him to the ideals of Stalinism.

He would return to Parliament in 1935 and try running for leader, Mosley would get on the first ballot but he would quickly be sidelined by Attlee who managed to gain the remains of Mosley’s support. Mosley would briefly be considered for the Shadow Cabinet but his temperament and love for the Soviet Union quashed any possibility of a return to the front bench.

Supporting the Popular Front and the Soviet Union would lead to him losing more allies until he finally lost them all after declaring his support for the Soviet invasion of Finland leading to him joining Dennis Pritt as an Independent. Initially considering joining the Communist Party, Mosley would instead join the 1941 Committee and after that the CommonWealth Party. He would become the Party’s biggest star, appearing on Radio and NewsReels proclaiming it’s vision of a Socialist future. Whilst this would help the CommonWealth party and Jennie Lee gain seats (she would win by a narrow margin thanks to Mosley’s campaigning for her) in the War years, it did help the party survive the 1945 election as even Mosley would lose his Smethwick seat to a Labour candidate.

Left out in the cold, Mosley would join the ILP as part of his tour of Far Left parties of Britain, desperate for a famous face to keep the party going in troublesome times. He would become the candidate for the 1946 Glasgow Bridgeton By-Election following James Maxton’s death and would win handily. But as the other ILP MPs considered joining the Labour Party once more, Mosley decided to bite the bullet and join the Communist Party of Great Britain, a move described by most people as ‘one of the stupidest political moves of British Political History’ but Mosley’s affection for the Communist line had now consumed him.

Mosley would lose in 1950 to a Labour candidate in a landslide and he would never be in parliament again, standing two more times as a parliamentary candidate but gaining very little. In the meantime he would worm his way into the machinations of the party and after John Gollan became General Secretary, Mosley would become his Assistant General Secretary. This would be right in the midst of the Hungarian Uprising and Mosley’s staunch support for it’s crushing would make him the poster boy for Tankies to come.

His twilight years would consist of him supporting various Easter European dictators, travelling to Bucharest, briefly marrying Doris Lessing (a marriage that lasted about two years), proclaiming his admiration for Stalin, being good friends with Media Giant Robert Maxwell and convincing Labour MP Stanley Newens to become the CPGB’s final MP in 1975 (a move that would eventually lead to the collapse of the Callaghan Government in 1978).

Becoming the party’s second to last General Secretary, Mosley would try and stem the tide of EuroCommunism, the New Times movement and Gramscian thought. This would have little success on the party and after a bad bout of health in 1980 and a bad news interview he which he would tout his support for the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan he would resign from the position. Mosley would live long enough to see his successor Dave Cook dissolve the party and lead to it splitting between the New Times movement who would join Labour and help mastermind the ascent of Neil Kinnock in the late 80s, the Green Left who would create the Green Left party in 1982 and the Communist Party of Britain, home of the Straight Left group.

Mosley would spend his final days trying to keep the Communist Party of Britain afloat with his remaining money and writing his autobiography. Mosley would be found dead on May 1st, after suffering stomach cancer for a couple of months, it would be found later he had overdosed on sleeping pills to ensure his death fell on the symbolic day.

Mosley would be warmly remembered by his three fondest comrades, Arthur Scargill, Andrew Murray and Seamus Milne all of whom would continue to spread the ideals of Mosley beyond the grave through the Straight Left group and the Socialist Alliance in the 90s. Mosley has become an example of how anyone can fall prey to the ideals of Stalinist thought and is often seen plastered on the T-Shirt of many a Socialist Alliance newspaper vendor or edgy Marxist.

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

Mosley would be found dead on May 1st, after suffering stomach cancer for a couple of months, it would be found later he had overdosed on sleeping pills to ensure his death fell on the symbolic day.

This is extremely in-character.

TTL's histography around the British fascist movement would be interesting--in OTL Mosley sucks most of the oxygen out of the conversation, but here he's off fellating Uncle Joe, so I imagine more attention would be on the Q Brigades and the Right Club, which in turn changes the popular perception of fascism in the UK from "angry chav in funny shirt" to "angry lord with funny name", which has further knock-on effects for the later rise of the far right.

I'm not normally a fan of minor-party lists where everything else stays basically the same, but I think it works very well here since a major theme is "everything Mosely touches turns to ash while the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays".

 

[Time Enough]

TTL's histography around the British fascist movement would be interesting--in OTL Mosley sucks most of the oxygen out of the conversation, but here he's off fellating Uncle Joe, so I imagine more attention would be on the Q Brigades and the Right Club, which in turn changes the popular perception of fascism in the UK from "angry chav in funny shirt" to "angry lord with funny name", which has further knock-on effects for the later rise of the far right.

Oh yes indeed, British Fascism in this timeline is far less organised and more drinking clubs of toffs admiring Mussolini.

I would say this is the type of world where the Social Credit party is probably the most successful Right Wing party outside of the Mainstream Right.

Of course this is contrasted with the most OTL Fascists joining imported Neo-Nazi movements/the Conservatives instead and Stalinism gains a more mainstream acceptance in this world so swings and roundabouts.

I'm not normally a fan of minor-party lists where everything else stays basically the same, but I think it works very well here since a major theme is "everything Mosely touches turns to ash while the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays"

There are changes, but I think due to Mosley only getting some form of influence later his career as that ‘amusing Stalinist with an upper class accent’ that he actually gets to effect things and even then it’s probably more in line with Mosley stumbling around and slowly destroying everything he joins over time. If Mosley does anything major it’s his ‘let’s bring back Stalinism folks’ causing Kinnock to become more beholden to the New Times movement in the Mid to late 80s and all that entails.

 

[Meppo]

1920-1932: Karl I (Habsburg-Lorraine)
1932-: Vasyl I "the Embroidered" (Habsburg-Lorraine)

1920-1925: Vyacheslav Lypynsky (National Hromada)

1920 (majority): Andriy Nikovsky (Federalist Socialist), Filip Pilipchuk (National Republican), Isaak Mazepa (Labor)​

1924 (majority): Andriy Nikovsky (Democratic Union), Filip Pilipchuk (National Republican), Fyodor Krizhanivsky (Labor), Samiylo Pidhirsky (Zagrava)​

1925: Dmytro Doroshenko (National Hromada, backed by Democratic Union)
1925: Ivan Poltavets-Ostryanitsa (National Hromada, backed by Free Cossacks)
1925-1933: Serhiy Shelukhyn (National Hromada)

1926 (majority): Pavlo Zaitsev (Democratic Union), Pavlo Khrystiuk (Labor)​

1930 (coalition): Serhiy Yefremov (Democratic Union ~ Left), Mykola Galagan (Labor), Pavlo Zaitsev (Democratic Union ~ Right), collective leadership (Independent Labor), Boris Butenko (Union of Free Cossacks)​

1932-: Mykhaylo Bilynsky (Labor)

1932 (majority): Adam Montrezor (National Hromada), Kostiantyn Matsievich (Democratic), Pavlo Zaitsev (Union of April 7), collective leadership (Left Labor), Boris Butenko (Union of Free Cossacks)​

*only major parliamentary groups named​

On August 30, 1918, at the Hammer and Sickle arms factory, a Socialist-Revolutionary named Fanny Kaplan shot Vladimir Lenin with a Browning pistol. From there, the Red movement unraveled, wedged between Trotsky and Tukhachevsky's Red Army and constantly rotating triumvirates in charge of the Soviets, and the Russian Civil War continued well into the twenties, even as the Great War had ended - with German soldiers in Paris - and the Kansas Epidemic had abated. As Whites and Reds fought over Petrograd and Tula, nations along the periphery chose to secede, settle things their own way. It just so happened that many of them had German arms backing them.

In this environment Archduke Charles Stephen of Austria, a Grand Admiral of the Imperial and Royal War Navy, took an opportunity few could afford. Having previously staked a claim to the Polish throne (and deterred by the Germans), Karl Stefan took to Ukraine with his youngest son Wilhelm, engaging in humanitarian work and defense against Bolshevik forces. This made him an enemy of Hetman Skoropadskyi, who felt threatened by his status as well as his growing popularity with the Ukrainian populace at large. Historians continue to argue whether the Hetman would move against the Archduke or not, as Skoropadskyi's assassination by a Makhnovite anarchist interrupted his rule. The vast majority of his supporters, including various Polish and Russian landholders and officers, ultimately coalesced around the figure of Karl Stefan, who by 1920 was effectively slated to become King of Ukraine.

Vyacheslav Lypynsky, the chief ideologue of Ukrainian conservatism, was the obvious first choice for Prime Minister, presiding over limited democratic elections and a Rada dominated by the National Hromada, steered the country through the early Twenties, establishing Ukraine as Mitteleuropa's main breadbasket and suppressing anarchist and socialist unrest, the likes of which were observed in Mexico, Italy and Argentina among others; more than that, Russia, now consolidated under the Pepelyayev brothers and a tenuous "Government of All the Talents", was wary of Ukraine and its relationship with Black Sea Cossacks at best. Militarization was in order.
With news of Red Army soldiers and Bolshevik operatives roaming the world, Ukraine experienced a vast Red Scare, culminating in the political crisis of July 1925; when Lypynsky was found dead in his bedroom, allegedly poisoned by a socialist assassin, the Hromada government instituted a wide-ranging curfew and rollback of democratic institutions. Further exacerbating the crisis were the competing claims of foreign affairs minister Doroshenko and military affairs minister Poltavets-Ostryanitsa, who saw themselves each as the legitimate acting head of government; the issue was only resolved with the appointment of Serhiy Shelukhyn, who rolled back the curfew and presided over the arrest of multiple left-wing "agitators".

The late 1920s-early 1930s were a difficult time for the Weltsystem: the Börse Berlin Crash sent reverberations through the global economy, while the violent Turkish Civil War humiliated Berlin: with Enver Pasha massacring his way to the Caspian, even the most loyal members of Mitteleuropa were lukewarm on helping the Sickest Monarchy of Europe, and volunteers were flooding from every corner to help liberate their nation of choice. This was particularly true of Ukraine, as Crimean Tatar emigrants returned to the homeland of their ancestors while Cossacks helped establish the Second Republic of Armenia from Goris to Erzurum - no matter how much Shelukhyn and the National Hromada, conscious of German support, tried to discourage them. The Hromada paid for it, losing their majority in the Rada for the first time in Ukrainian history as Cossack organizations no longer lent them their full support (though their political views were too disparate to allow them to become more than a coalition appendage). Left-wing parties expanded their share of the vote substantially.

1932 was a year of great change. Karl I passed away peacefully in the Mariyinsky Palace; he was, as expected, succeeded by his son Wilhelm (better known as Vasyl Vyshyvani), a broadly popular figure among all classes and a hero of the nation. The Shelukhyn government was mildly fearful of him, as Vasyl, coronated at only 37 years old, was distinctly more left-leaning than his father (he wasn't called "the Red Prince" for nothing) and rather pushy about Galicia, particularly as the Austrian Empire was destabilized by the Great Depression and continued ethnic strife. Fears of unrest and military coup surrounded the 1932 elections, and - as former rear admiral Mikhaylo Bilynsky gave the Ukrainian Labor Party a landslide majority - rumors of a "business plot" became commonplace. However, Vasyl I gave his consent to the Bilynsky government, and Ukrainian democracy stood in place.

Two years into Prime Minister Bilynsky's tenure, Ukraine is on the upswing, being one of the more stable states in Europe while also rapidly unionizing and industrializing. However, relations with its neighbors - Poland and Russia primarily - are not so rosy, and the two issues posed by the Russian Civil War - the Galician Question and the Cossack Question - are yet to be solved.

 

[morbidteaparty]

A Brief Parliamentary History of the Communist Party of Great Britain

1922: 3/615
1923: 3/615
1924: 4/615
1929: 1/615 (3/615 following by-elections in 1929 & 1931)
1931: 2/615 (3/615 following by-election in 1934)
1935: 2/615
1945: 3/640
1950: 1/625
1951: No representation
1955: 1/630
1959: 1/630
1964: 1/630
1966: 1/630
1970-1991: No representation

 

[Blackentheborg]

Oh yes indeed, British Fascism in this timeline is far less organised and more drinking clubs of toffs admiring Mussolini.

I would say this is the type of world where the Social Credit party is probably the most successful Right Wing party outside of the Mainstream Right.

Of course this is contrasted with the most OTL Fascists joining imported Neo-Nazi movements/the Conservatives instead and Stalinism gains a more mainstream acceptance in this world so swings and roundabouts.

There are changes, but I think due to Mosley only getting some form of influence later his career as that ‘amusing Stalinist with an upper class accent’ that he actually gets to effect things and even then it’s probably more in line with Mosley stumbling around and slowly destroying everything he joins over time. If Mosley does anything major it’s his ‘let’s bring back Stalinism folks’ causing Kinnock to become more beholden to the New Times movement in the Mid to late 80s and all that entails.

tbh I still don't really understand Mosley. He started off as a fabian leftist and suddenly went hard-right all the way to fascism out of nowhere.

 

[lerk]

Oswald Mosley is used so much in "Fascist Britain" TLs that he essentially puts every other fascist Briton to the sidelines, and as such is a bit of a cliche. In this regard, he is to British Fascism what Eugene Debs is to American Socialism.

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

tbh I still don't really understand Mosley. He started off as a fabian leftist and suddenly went hard-right all the way to fascism out of nowhere.

It gets worse when you realise that he started in the Conservatives.

My impression is that he was the sort of person who was prone to Blinding Revelations about The Way The World Works that, surprisingly, often ended with O. Mosely esq. on top of the heap.

 

[Time Enough]

My impression is that he was the sort of person who was prone to Blinding Revelations about The Way The World Works that, surprisingly, often ended with O. Mosely esq. on top of the heap.

This plus Mosley seemed to have the Nicholson & Strachey problem of being swayed easily by stronger personalities than him. Diana Mitford and Mussolini had strong senses of (horrifying) vision, Mosley less so.

I do always get the sense that even in the final days of the New Party as it was becoming the BUF lite, there was always half a chance that Mosley met John Hargreaves and decided that Kibbo Krift and Social Credit was what Britian needed actually or he went to the Soviet Union with the Webb’s and became a Tankie.