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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Mumby

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A President Debs List

1885-1893: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1884 (with Thomas A. Hendricks) def. James G. Blaine / John A. Logan (Republican)
1888 (with Isaac P. Gray) def. James G. Blaine / Levi P. Morton (Republican), Benjamin Butler / various (Greenback / United Labor)

1893-1897: William McKinley (Republican)
1892 (with Robert Todd Lincoln) def. Leonidas K. Polk / various (Populist / United Labor / 'Popular' Democratic), Grover Cleveland / John M. Palmer ('National' Democratic)
1897-1897: Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor / Silverite)
1896 (with Samuel I. Hopkins) def. William McKinley / Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican), Henry George / Jacob S. Coxey (United Labor / Populist)
1897-1899: DISPUTED; The American Emergency
1897-1897: Thomas Brackett Reed (Republican, backed by United Labor) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor)
1897-1899: William P. Frye (Republican) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor) / Eugene V. Debs (Brotherhood of the Cooperative Commonwealth)

1899-1901: William P. Frye (Republican)
1901-1905: Eugene V. Debs (United Labor)
1900 (with William F. Cody) def. William McKinley / George B. McClellan Jt. (Republican / Nationalist)

bit of a formatting experiment this one

i might do a bigger write up later
 

SenatorChickpea

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DYNAMICS OF A POLITICAL ASTEROID

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom

1886-1890: Robert Cecil, Lord Salisbury (Conservative and Unionist)

1890: George Goschen (Conservative and Unionist)


'Blackwood's Coup' remains one of the most mythologised and misunderstood crises of British history. The relevant files in Scotland Yard were supposedly either destroyed by the Kaiser's bombs, or in the Painter's Uprising; no such pretence is made about those in the Palace, the National Archives or various private collections, which remain out of reach of historians, journalists and legal investigators.

There are certain questions that can never be answered:

How many of the Whitechapel Horrors can be laid at the foot of Henry Blackwood? His 'sacrifices' do not bear any resemblance to Jack's work, but the 'Gull Hypothesis' notes a supposed similarity in how the murder sites can be plotted on a map of London.

When did Blackwood shift from serial murder to his delusions of political change? There has never been any real connection drawn between Blackwood and the strange and unpleasant death of Home Secretary Lord Llandaff in 1886, which saw the hanging of the disgraced Sir Charles Dilke. But Blackwood- then Minister Without Portfolio and advisor to Salisbury- was instrumental in persuading the Prime Minister to appoint the young and untested Lord Coward. Given Coward's instrumental role in the botched coup, this has aroused suspicions ever since.

The facts which can be agreed upon are even stranger. In 1890, following the sensational arrest, trial and execution of Blackwood for kidnapping and murder, Lord Salisbury resigned the Prime Ministership in an attempt to preserve Conservative government. His replacement, George Goschen, struggled to hold his majority together- and that was before Blackwood returned from the dead. The Lord Chief Justice was murdered under strange circumstances, followed by the immolation of Ambassador Standish of the United States.

Public hysteria began to set in. At this point, Blackwood attempted to murder Parliament.

The bizarre coup attempt- and its apparent thwarting by an alliance between a consulting detective and an infamous socialite who may or may not have been working for 'The Academy'- saw Blackwood and Coward announce the impending murder of almost the entire House of Commons. A new government would return Britain to greatness under the guiding hands of the aristocracy, rein in the Empire, and annex the United States. Only their supporters- concentrated almost exclusively in the House of Lords- would be spared.

By the end of the day Blackwood was dead, and the power of the British aristocracy would be forever shattered.

1890-1891: William Gladstone (Liberal Minority)


The 'Grand Old Man' was returned to power- over the objections of the Queen- within days. In the chaos following the coup, Goschen had been forced to resign. With the Conservatives immediately dissolving into recrimination, suspicion and blame, continued Tory government was untenable. However, it was felt that an immediate election would be too destabilising given the ongoing crisis. In the end, Gladstone was asked to form what amounted to a caretaker ministry- no major bills would be presented to Parliament in the short term, but he would be given the support needed to stabilise the country.

A lot of stabilisation was necessary. Standish's death and Blackwood's inflammatory rhetoric caused anti-British marches in New York, Baltimore and Boston. In Britain itself, riots broke out that targetted Blackwood's 'fellow occultists;' the Metropolitan Police broke up a crowd that was massing outside Freemason's Hall in Holborn, but lodges were burned in Liverpool and Birmingham. The Theosophical Society was another target; the Blavatsky Lodge was burned, with Madame Blavatsky inside it. The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn opted for quiet and immediate dissolution; several of its members would remain active for decades to come. The association of occultism with Nietzsche's 'Master Morality' was a leap mainly made by intellectuals, but it filtered into the popular consciousness nevertherless. To the present day, anti-democratic, anti-modern, authoritarian, cult-of-personality politics (manifested in a literal or metaphorical 'Figure of the King' such as Blackwood or Boulanger) is usually referred to as 'Paganism.'

Six months after the coup, in the spring of 1891, Gladstone felt confident enough to prepare for an election. However, at this point the Rhine Crisis broke. Following the assasination of the Strasbourg industrialist Alfred Meinhard in Paris- ostenibly by anarchists- France and Germany began to spiral towards war. A peace summit near Switzerland's Reichenbach Falls was also attacked, and though the terrorists were foiled, the confusion about the perpetrators was matched only by speculation about the role of Britain in the crisis.

What exactly was 'The Diogenes Club,' and what role was it playing in British policy making? Britain had no formalised intelligence service, and yet this mysterious 'M' figure apparently oversaw a transcontinental spy network. Moreover, was it true that there was some sort of family connection between 'M' and the 'consulting detective' who had foiled the Blackwood Coup? And did that imply that, rather than the preservation of democracy, the defeat of Blackwood simply revealed the existence of another unelected establishment oligarchy pulling the strings of British politics?

1891- Parliamentary Interregnum

The Liberals won a crushing majority in the 1891 election, but Gladstone was unprepared for the popular backlash agains the aristocracy. Gladstone considered himself a man for the people, but he was fundamentally a patrician, a paternalist. Britain's middle classes were now deeply suspicous of their supposed betters; some of them seemed to want to return to feudalism, but others seemed to be quietly, contemptuously running the island from behind a pretend parliament.

One unexpected beneficiary was Charles Parnell. At the beginning of 1890 he seemed to be sliding towards political catastrophe amidst the collapse of his marriage. However, next to the collapse of the Tory government amidst kidnapping, murder and a coup attempt, Mrs O'Shea seemed rather unimportant. Though Parnell's moral leadership would never have the same strength, he was trusted to keep the party together following the coup attempt- and in 1891 it actually increased its seats after unionists in Ulster were as affected by infighting as conservatives in the rest of the nation.

Gladstone was uncomfortable with the rise of the radicals in his own party. He appointed a cabinet of respectable figures- some conservative, some radical, but all established men. Crucially, it included several Liberal peers: Rosebery, Ripon, Kimberley and Herschell.

To the shock of Gladstone and perhaps more importantly, to the shock of the Liberal whips, the Radical backbenchers made clear that this was not a government they wished to support. At this time, it was expected that the leaders of the Commons and the Lords would work with the Prime Minister to form a government- but following the coup attempt relations between the two Houses were the worst they had been since Charles I.

Gladstone was caught- if he formed a government without the radicals, he would have to win back the Liberal Unionists. But if he did that, he would lose the Irish- and all chance of carrying out his last great political project.

In the midst of Gladstone's deliberations, Stephen Verloc-Baudin bombed the Greenwich Observatory.

Reluctantly, he advised the Palace of the necessity of calling another election.

The Conservatives campaigned on bringing an end to Anarchism; the Radicals on saving the country from Paganism; Gladstone vainly called for peace all round.

Two weeks after the election was announced, The Times scooped its rival papers. Parisian police, investigating the disappearance of the Viscomte de Chagny, had raided the Palais Garnier Opera House. In its bowels they found the Vicomte's corpse, and the lair of a master criminal- Eric LaRoux, 'the Phantom' (Le Fantôme, often improperly written in Engish as Fantômas)- that had been hastily abandoned. Most of the documents had been destroyed, but enough remained to blow the lid on a vast and wide-ranging criminal conspiracy- a network that had divided Europe's underworld into private fiefdoms. Its leaders were not the reactionaries of the pagan aristocracy, nor had they arisen from the slums. They were of the middle classes, intellectuals who had turned the rationalism of the day towards the destruction of Law and Order. Almost all of them had completed some form of graduate study.

The respectable classes of Europe now learned of the Academy of Crime.

1891-1897- Joseph Chamberlain (Order and Union)

The second election of 1891 produced what was, nominally, still a great Liberal majority. But the divisions in the party were now too great to overcome, and it split again. At this point, Joseph Chamberlain 're-ratted.' Working discreetly with the Palace, Chamberlain formed a government that married the rump of Gladstone's moderates to his own Liberal Unionist faction. His Tory allies were enraged, as were the Radicals, but it was a workable minority government- his opponents could never combine on any one issue to bring down his government.

Better still, it seemed as if- in Britain at least- the Academy was no longer a dominant player in the underworld. One of Moriarty's henchman- another Irishman, Macavity 'The Cat'- was still feared in the slums of London, but the days that the Academy could play a part in national politics seemed over. Given its rumored role in stopping Blackwood, not everyone was comforted by this. Chamberlain himself had no wish to risk more unrest; in Germany the street battles between the police and Doctor Mabuse had taken on a nightmarish quality. In Austria, Mabuse's ally Cagliari had become so powerful it was said that he appointed the government's ministers.

The Academy did its gravest harm to Britain in the East. In India, the celebrated agent Kimball O'Hara prevented the detachment of Tibet from China by the Russians. The Tsarist forces had been 'advised' by Moriarty's colleague, the infamous Dr Nikola. However, while the Raj remained secure for now- the failures of Bullshot Drummond and Richard Hannay were far in the future- another power was awakening.

Following the disaster of the Sino-Japanese War, and to the general surprise of the Great Powers, the Qing dynasty was overthrown by one of its most trusted officials. Li Hongzhang's new Zìqiáng Dynasty embarked on its new reform program with astonishing ruthlessness. The purges and murders of the first half-decade of the dynasty were widely expected to shatter China; instead, the great nation entered the twentieth century with a certain wary strength.

What Chamberlain's goverment learned from the 1897 Boothby Report was that Li's advisor was no one less than the infamous Lord of Strange Deaths. The Academy of Crime had drastically underestimated their partners in the Si-Fan; Moriarty, Mabuse and the Phantom had been as guilty of orientalism as any of the governments they undermined. They had thought that they had worked with just another of the Triads; their igorance of Chinese internal politics meant they had even mistaken the Lord for a Manchu.

In 1897, after six years, Chamberlain sought another election. His cherished project of Imperial Federation had been killed by Blackwood; any talk of consolidation smacked of the deranged Lord's rantings. Only Cecil Rhodes still made an open case for Anglo-Saxon unity, and he was as mad as Blackwood in his way. Chamberlain had to rely upon subtler means, principally Tariff Reform and talk of 'Home Rule All Around.' The first was desparately unpopular with the self-govenring colonies- especially in the Dominion of Canada and the increasingly republican Australian colonies.

The second was also unpopular, especially with the IPP who thought- correctly - that Chamberlain was trying to destroy their cherished work. To try and break the Irish MPs, Chamberlain relied upon slander. Kitty O'Shea did not bring down Charles Parnell, so Joseph Chamberlain tried to use James Moriarty. The British branch of 'The Academy' had been run by the so-called 'Napoleon of Crime,' and Parnell had attended several of Morarity's public lectures. Unfortunately, so had a great deal of other people- Moriarty's work on the Binomial Theorem was one of the most important intellectual developments in the British sciences, and it had been the done thing to attend one of his talks and be lulled gently into sleep.

There was another reason that Ireland became convinced Charles Parnell was no friend of the Academy. It was that, when walking across Parliament Square in conversation with the new commander of the Irish Guards, he was shot in the head. The gunman was a respected (though not respectable) figure of London society- the war hero, big game hunter, and, it came out, chief lieutenant of James Moriarty.

Sebastian Moran.

1897- HH Asquith

Asquith came to power amidst the gravest crisis since Blackwood's Coup. The assassination of Parnell had seen an explosion of support for the IPP, and Westminster now faced paralysis- there was no majority in Parliament for any form of Home Rule, but the country was on the brink of civil war if it was not granted. Wild theories were flying about- Moran had shot Parnell to make him a martyr. Moran had been working for the Diogenes Club. Moran had been hired by William O'Shea. Moran had actually been aiming for General Flashman.

In the feverish atmosphere, it was understandable that a shipwreck near Whitby would not attract the attention of the government. But when it became clear who had been travelling on the Demeter, things really got bad....
 

Meppo

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A President Debs List

1885-1893: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1884 (with Thomas A. Hendricks) def. James G. Blaine / John A. Logan (Republican)
1888 (with Isaac P. Gray) def. James G. Blaine / Levi P. Morton (Republican), Benjamin Butler / various (Greenback / United Labor)

1893-1897: William McKinley (Republican)
1892 (with Robert Todd Lincoln) def. Leonidas K. Polk / various (Populist / United Labor / 'Popular' Democratic), Grover Cleveland / John M. Palmer ('National' Democratic)
1897-1897: Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor / Silverite)
1896 (with Samuel I. Hopkins) def. William McKinley / Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican), Henry George / Jacob S. Coxey (United Labor / Populist)
1897-1899: DISPUTED; The American Emergency
1897-1897: Thomas Brackett Reed (Republican, backed by United Labor) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor)
1897-1899: William P. Frye (Republican) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor) / Eugene V. Debs (Brotherhood of the Cooperative Commonwealth)

1899-1901: William P. Frye (Republican)
1901-1905: Eugene V. Debs (United Labor)
1900 (with William F. Cody) def. William McKinley / George B. McClellan Jt. (Republican / Nationalist)

bit of a formatting experiment this one

i might do a bigger write up later
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wonder how many cities burn during The American Emergency

or if America is ripe for another Emergency
 

claybaskit

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The Bush"s defeated by hipsters.


1980:Leonard Nimoy Democratic Albert Gore


2004: Dave Mustane Democratic John Kerry


After Star Trek ended Nimoy had a hard time finding work. instead of returning to the role of mr spock when the series was revived for film. he successfully ran for u.s. senate unseating John V .Tunney and winning the general.
Leonard Nimoy served 3 terms as senator of California.

In 1992 senator Leonard Nimoy defeated Governor Bill Clinton and a hoist of other challengers to win the Democratic nomination for president of the united States. on shows like Saturday night live and David Lettermen they joked the California Senator was not eligible to run since he came rom Vulcan .

All joking aside Nimoy became the 42 president of the United States in 1992 beating out president Bush and Perrot.
During president Nimoys term in office America entered a time of great financial stability unlike the nation had ever witnessed.

After performing for the thrash metal band Megadeath ,Dave Mustane was known for writing about political subjects like peace sell but who is Mustane defeated Pete Wilson in his bid or 2nd term as governor of California. After two terms as governor of California Mustane wanted to retire from politics but did not agree with the invasion of iraq.

Mustane sought the democratic nomination for president in 2004 and Bush 43 lost reelection just like his farther had many years ago.
 

Mumby

Always mysterious!
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A President Debs List

1885-1893: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1884 (with Thomas A. Hendricks) def. James G. Blaine / John A. Logan (Republican)
1888 (with Isaac P. Gray) def. James G. Blaine / Levi P. Morton (Republican), Benjamin Butler / various (Greenback / United Labor)

1893-1897: William McKinley (Republican)
1892 (with Robert Todd Lincoln) def. Leonidas K. Polk / various (Populist / United Labor / 'Popular' Democratic), Grover Cleveland / John M. Palmer ('National' Democratic)
1897-1897: Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor / Silverite)
1896 (with Samuel I. Hopkins) def. William McKinley / Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican), Henry George / Jacob S. Coxey (United Labor / Populist)
1897-1899: DISPUTED; The American Emergency
1897-1897: Thomas Brackett Reed (Republican, backed by United Labor) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor)
1897-1899: William P. Frye (Republican) / Benjamin Tillman (Democratic / National Labor) / Eugene V. Debs (Brotherhood of the Cooperative Commonwealth)

1899-1901: William P. Frye (Republican)
1901-1905: Eugene V. Debs (United Labor)
1900 (with William F. Cody) def. William McKinley / George B. McClellan Jt. (Republican / Nationalist)

bit of a formatting experiment this one

i might do a bigger write up later
Continued dominance of the Democrats and Republicans by gold-supporters in the 1880s spurs on the growth of the Populist movement (and allied movements such as New York's Labor Party, fronted by Henry George). The Panic of the 1890s happens roughly on schedule, and finally fractures the ailing party system - as the Democratic Convention narrowly votes to align with the Populists, President Cleveland leads a splinter movement in disgust, granting the Republicans a solid victory and four more years of Gold.

The Populist movement gains momentum during McKinley's term as the obvious gulf between the GOP and swathes of the country becomes ever more stark. However, as the momentum grows, the obvious divides in the febrile coalition of Populists becomes increasingly difficult to sustain. Even as Congress saw an increasingly militant contingent of Populists take their place in office, the crisis point of the 1896 convention approached. The Populist movement finally shattered as those most committed to white supremacy, to agrarianism and outright hostility to city and mercantilism, found their Messiah in Pitchfork Ben. Tillman forged his own coalition, stealing the clothes of the incipient Labor movement in the name of Bimetallism. The rump Populists were captured by the Georgist Laborites, who made a principled stand against both Capitalism Run Amock and the threat of a Red Shirt in the White House.

Almost immediately on taking office, Tillman was mired in controversy. The Speaker of the House, Thomas Brackett Reed had managed to bolt together a progressive coalition of Republicans and Populists, who threatened to undermine the work of black disenfranchisement that Tillman considered his legacy. In fact, it wasn't long before the Coalition began threatening impeachment. As articles passed in the House and began to be considered in the Senate, Tillman carried out what seemed to him the only reasonable course of action. Self-coup.

As the nightriders of the South rode unmasked through the streets of Washington, an only just quorate Senate voted to impeach Tillman. Hours later, Senate would be empty - depending on who you asked, different men were President. Reed was murdered as he attempted to flee Washington - his replacement would be the more conservative Frye, who soon repulsed the radicalising Labor movement. Some called the conflict of the next two years the Second American Civil War, but it was far less organised than that war and became known as the American Emergency. There were no firm borders, no attempt at secession. The was was for America's soul - if Tillman had triumphed the United States which would have emerged would have been implicitly anti-democratic even as its dominant party espoused the principal of government by the people.

At the end of it all, the South had its back broken once more - and vast swathes of the country had been liberated by the Brotherhood of the Cooperative Commonwealth which if not quite hostile to the Republicans had managed an uneasy peace with them. The Democratic Party collapsed as the most fervent white supremacists were convicted of treason, and their more pragmatic cousins chose to form a united front with the Republicans against the emergent force of socialism.

But the mood for change was in the heir - the Emergency had been brought about by many sources, and people were eager for a solution. The so-called Sound Money coalition of former President McKinley and ex-Democratic Mayor of New York McClellan was not what people were looking for. The alliance of the progressive agrarians and the industrial working class finally had their day as Debs and Cody entered the White House.
 

Comrade Izaac

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Running Your Standard Gauntlet

Three quick TLs depicting a set of futures that range in scale from "hey that's pretty ok with me" to "this is not going to be a fun time for anyone for a long time" while i finish up the larger list I'm working on


2021-2025: Joe Biden (Democratic)
(With Kamala Harris)
2020 Def.
Donald J. Trump Sr./Mike Pence (Republican) [306-232]

2025-2029:
Nikki Haley (Republican)
(With John Thune)
2024 Def. Kamala Harris/Stephen Lynch (Democratic), Kanye West/Mike Maturen (Independent) [326-212]

2029-2037: Nina Turner (Democratic)
(With Gregorio Cesar)
2028 Def.
Nikki Haley/John Thune (Republican) [322-220]
2032 Def. Josh Hawley/Adrienne Bennett (Republican) [101,650,873-90,125,022]

2037-20xx: Kaniela S. Ing (Democratic)
(With Summer Lee)
2036 Def. Joy Hofmeister/Mike Lee (Republican), Daniel Zolnikov/Kim Klacik (New Libertarians) [98,459,645-81,767,530-19,055,710]


2021-2023: Joe Biden (Democratic)
(With Kamala Harris)
2020 Def. Donald J. Trump Sr./Mike Pence (Republican) [306-232]

2023-2029:
Kamala Harris (Democratic)
(With Joaquin Castro)
2024 Def.
Mike Lindell/Ron DeSantis (Republican), Charlie Baker/Jamie Herrera-Butler (Independent Conservative Movement) [343-195]

2029-2037:
Chris Sununu (Republican)
(With Catalina Lauf)
2028 Def. Joaquin Castro/Kurt Daudt (Democratic), Brace Belden/Princess Blanding (Freedom), Johnathon Falwell/Michelle Bachman (Independent/endorsed by "Right" Independent Conservative Movement) [280-258]
2032 Def. Garlin Gilchrist III/Carmen Yulin Cruz (Democratic) [278-260]

2037-20xx:
Alessandra Biaggi (Democratic)
(With Richie Ojeda)
2036 Def. Julia Letlow/Brad Pascale (Republican) [302-236]

2021-2022: Joe Biden (Democratic)*
(With Kamala Harris)
2020 Def. Donald J. Trump Sr./Mike Pence (Republican) [306-232]

2022-2025: Kamala Harris (Democratic)
(With Tom Wolf, later Chris Coons)

2025-2026: Donald J. Trump Sr. (Republican)
(With Kristi Noem)
2024 Def. Kamala Harris/Chris Coons (Democratic), Matt Christman/Chelsea Manning (Three Arrows) [351-157]

2026-2029: Kristi Noem (Republican)
(With Paul Gosar)

2029-2030: DISPUTED, OFFICIALLY Michelle De Isla (Democratic)
(Disputed Between Libby Schaff and Amanda Chase)
2028: DISPUTED BETWEEN
Michelle De Isla/Libby Schaff (Democratic), Tom Cotton/Amanda Chase (Republican), and Carlos Ramirez-Rosa/Kim Kelly (Three Arrows)

2030-20xx: Gen. Paul M. Nakasone (Leading Provisional Authority)

*Dies when a mentally ill man named Jason Keen, a follower of the resurgent QAnon conspiracy, performs a botched "Citizen's Arrest" on the President while Biden is visiting a diner while campaigning in Missouri

 

Indicus

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Running Your Standard Gauntlet

Three quick TLs depicting a set of futures that range in scale from "hey that's pretty ok with me" to "this is not going to be a fun time for anyone for a long time" while i finish up the larger list I'm working on
I don’t want to be mean, but maybe you should make a test thread for these sorts of small, quick lists.
 

Comrade Izaac

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i don't mean to sound rude but frankly if i thought it warranted creating a new thread for lists like that, i probably would have done it instead of posting it here. it's a series of lists of alternate presidents & PMs so.
 

Oppo

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The younger President Bush is one the public would rather not discuss unless it’s as part of an analysis of his father’s legacy or Al Gore’s political career. More attention has been paid to the scandals that broke out and the revelations they gave about America. Viewers assured themselves that the cutthroat capitalism of films like Wall Street was a work of fiction, but to an extent not seen since the Great Depression, that corporate greed had visible consequences.

Right as the Enron affair seemed to be past its media shelf life, the state of Texas faced unprecedented blackouts after the winter storm of March 3rd, 2002. Cameras fixated on Texans huddling in their houses, without sufficient heating and blankets to make it through the cold. Immediately, Texas’ deregulated energy market came under attack. Governor Perry’s comments about how his state was willing to suffer several more blackouts to protect its unique system were condemned across the board, leading to his humiliating loss in the 2002 election.

Ironically, the winning ticket in 2004 was composed of two individuals who lost to the president, but in light of then-governor Bush’s role in deregulating ERCOT, many had second thoughts about Dubya's place in history. Previously rejected ideas were brought back into the political discourse, allowing Gore to orient his campaign towards his environmentalist pet projects.

The election of Rick Santorum now seeks a merger of Gore’s conscious capitalism with the culture warrior rhetoric of the GOP. As has been typical for presidential elections as of late, much time has been spent on discussion policy relating to small details of American life. Despite the tech industry being crippled by the dot-com recession of 2001, Santorum latched himself towards fears concerning the internet. While attacked as a Luddite by prominent liberals, Democrats were as clueless to the feelings of American voters as they were in their long period of opposition in the 1980s.

Al Gore might have materialized many of his Atari Democrat dreams, but he could not have predicted the anxiety America felt at the thought of their lives being commodified into a series of binary 1s and 0s. Technology made apparent the contradictions of Ronald Reagan’s fusion of American Christianity and supply-side economics. When the free market comes into competition with family and faith, it has no regard for the sanctity of those institutions, or the people that make them what they are. The Republicans seem to be convinced that a free market should stop with the godless money catchers of Silicon Valley. Their voters will soon find out that the dark forces of technology are not the only ones interested in commodifying the individual.

2001 - 2005: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000 def. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic), Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green)
2005 - 2006: Al Gore / Ann Richards (Democratic)
2004 def. George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2006 - 2006: Al Gore / Vacant (Democratic)
2006 - 2013: Al Gore / Tom Harkin (Democratic)
2008 def. John McCain / Matt Blunt (Republican)
2013 - 0000: Rick Santorum / Joseph Cao (Republican)
2012 def. Brad Carson / Russ Feingold (Democratic)
 

Blackentheborg

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Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
1917-1921: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik)*
1921-1927: Felix Dzerzhinsky (Bolshevik)
1927-1930: Yemelyan Yaroslavsky (Rabkrin)
1930-1937: Sergo Ordzhonikidze (Rabkrin)
1937-19??: Nikolai Uglanov (Bolshevik)

Narkom of the Russian Workers Committees
1922-19??: Alexander Antonov (Union of Working Peasants)

Supreme Ruler of All Russia
1920-1921: Alexander Kolchak (caretaker military junta)
1921-19??: Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich (House Romanov)

Supreme Military Commander of All Russia
1921-1938: Vladimir Purishkevich (Black Hundred)
1938-19??: Andrey Vlasov (Black Hundred)

Fathers of Makhnovia
1920-1925: Bat'ko Makhno (Anarchist)
1925-1934: Viktor Belash (Anarchist)
1934-19??: Peter Gavrilenko (Anarchist)
 
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This is fun! A never-ending Russian Civil War is the sort of thing that doesn't come up very often. Like the heads of state for the Free Territory who aren't heads of state at all honest guv.

Just one quibble:

1941-19??: Andrey Vlasov (Black Hundred)
Vlasov OTL started out in the Red Army, so even if he were to get captured and switch sides like in OTL I doubt they'd let him take charge--too suspicious. Maybe use one of the other White die-hards that joined the ROA OTL, like Boris Shtefion or Mikhail Skorodumov?
 

Blackentheborg

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I don’t want to be mean, but maybe you should make a test thread for these sorts of small, quick lists.
The lists were fine, dude. I actually like the format, it's like 'pick your poison'. I'm working on one of my own right now.
Makhnovia?
Yeah man, the anarchist Free Territory of Makhnovia.
This is fun! A never-ending Russian Civil War is the sort of thing that doesn't come up very often. Like the heads of state for the Free Territory who aren't heads of state at all honest guv.

Just one quibble:



Vlasov OTL started out in the Red Army, so even if he were to get captured and switch sides like in OTL I doubt they'd let him take charge--too suspicious. Maybe use one of the other White die-hards that joined the ROA OTL, like Boris Shtefion or Mikhail Skorodumov?
IMO as he had fascist leanings he'd probably detract to a side that was as hardcore antisemitic as the New Tsar
 

Meppo

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Just to clarify, @Blackentheborg - was this list inspired by anything?

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
1917-1921: Vladimir Lenin (Bolshevik)*
1921-1927: Felix Dzerzhinsky (Bolshevik)
1927-1930: Yemelyan Yaroslavsky (Rabkrin)
1930-1937: Sergo Ordzhonikidze (Rabkrin)
1937-19??: Nikolai Uglanov (Bolshevik)
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How did Rabkrin get so powerful?

Yemelyan Yaroslavsky is a hip pick, wonder what the state of the Orthodox Church and Islam in the RSFSR is like
if Turkestan isn't independent of course

Fathers of Makhnovia
1920-1925: Bat'ko Makhno (Anarchist)
1925-1934: Viktor Belash (Anarchist)
1934-19??: Peter Gavrilenko (Anarchist)
Narkom of the Russian Workers Committees
1922-19??: Alexander Antonov (Union of Working Peasants)
What territories do the Green and Black Armies control at this point?
 

Charles EP M.

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DYNAMICS OF A POLITICAL ASTEROID
This is brilliant but I don't see how much further you can take i--

In the feverish atmosphere, it was understandable that a shipwreck near Whitby would not attract the attention of the government. But when it became clear who had been travelling on the Demeter, things really got bad....
OH YEAHHHH!!!!
 

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Socialism or Barbarism?!

Prime Ministers of Great Britain:
1929-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1929 (Minority) def: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), David Lloyd-George (Liberal)
1931-1934: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour leading National Goverment)
1931 (National Government) def: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Herbert Samuel (Liberal), Arthur Henderson (Labour), Oswald Mosley-David Lloyd George (Action)
1934-1936: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative leading National Government)
1936: Edward Wood, Lord Halifax (Conservative
leading National Government)

1936-1941: David Lloyd-George (Action leading "People's" Government)
1936 (Coalition with Conservative) def: Harold Laski (Labour), Neville Chamberlain replacing Edward Wood (Conservative), Herbert Samuel (Liberal)
1941-1944: Harold Laski (Labour)
1941 (Majority) def: David Lloyd George (Action), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalists), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Richard Acland-Harry Pollitt (Popular Front)
1941 Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 70%, No 30%

1944-1950: Stafford Cripps (Labour)
1945 Continuation of Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 74%, No 26%
1949 Continuation of Emergency Government Referendum: Yes 54%, No 46%

1950-: Nye Bevan (Labour)
1950 (Majority) def: Harold Macmillan (Action), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalists), Megan Lloyd George-John Loverseed (Radicals), Bill Alexander (Popular Front)

President of the U.S.A.
1923-1929: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)

1924 (With Charles G. Dawes) def: John W. Davis (Democratic), Robert La Follette (Progressive)
1929-1937: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1928 (With Charles Curtis) def: Al Smith (Democratic), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive-Labor)
1932 (With Charles Curtis) def: Al Smith (Democratic), Upton Sinclair (American Labor), William H. Murray ('Real' Democrats)

1937-1949: Rexford Tugwell (Democratic-Labor then CommonWealth)
1936 (With Floyd B. Olson) def: William Borah (Republican), Robert A. Taft (Conservative)
1940
(With Elmer Austin Benson) def: Wendall Wilkie (Republican), Hamilton Fish III (Conservative), William H. Murray (America First)
1944
(With Elmer Austin Benson) def: Bronson M. Cutting (Liberal), Charles Lindbergh (Conservative-America First), Pappy O'Daniel (The Regulars)
1945-: Claude Pepper (CommonWealth)
1948 (With Glen H. Taylor) def: Thomas E. Dewey (Liberal), Douglas MacArthur (Anti-Communist), Hugh De Lacy (Libertarian)

Chancellors of Germany:
1932-1934: Kurt von Schleicher (Non Partisan)

1932 ('Querfront') def: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP), Otto Wels-Arthur Crispien-Hans Vogel (SDP), Ernst Thälmann (KDP), Ludwig Kaas (Centre), Alfred Hugenberg (DNVP), Henrich Held (BVP), Gregor Strasser (Schwarze Front)
1934: Franz Seldte (Stahlhelm)
1934-1940: Gregor Strasser ('Querfront')
1940-1947: Otto Strasser ('Querfront')

1947-: Ernst Niekisch (Schwarze Front)

1947 (Majority) def: Fritz Dorls (Reichsfront), Willy Leow (Die Rote Front)

General Secretary of the Soviet Union:
1922-1945: Joseph Stalin (CPSU)
1945-1951: Andrei Zhdanov (CPSU)
1951-: Nikolai Voznesensky (CPSU)


"I hear people tell me that this battle of ideologues we're having is pointless, that at the end of the day both sides claim they believe in the ideals of Socialism. But if that was true, I would like you to ask what happening to the Jews in Birobidzhan and the Model Bolshevik Program that is happening there and Comrade Niekisch is helping in this program of cultural eradication. This is not a battle between different forms of Socialism this is a battle between Socialism and Barbarism"
-Nye Bevan, 1952

"The Social Fascists of the British Labour Party's accusation of extermination and cultural eradication shows the true face of these so called Socialists, that they believe in no more than the utter and true annihilation of our glorious Socialist Utopia. All followers of Marxist-Leninist ideals must work with Comrade Voznesensky in demanding that those who attack the one true home of Socialism to be dealt with accordingly"
-Radio Moscow, 1952

"Probably nowhere in the world are minorities given more freedom, recognition and respect than in the Soviet Union, nowhere in the world is there so little friction, between minority and majority groups, or among minorities."
-Hugh De Lacy, 1952

"The Forces of Fascism, Technocracy and Reaction will soon crumble under our steel and a new Socialist Empire will be built in there wake"
-Ernst Niekisch, 1952
 

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In many ways, this is a list that both excites me (Democratic Socialist/Social Democratic Anglosphere) and disturbs me (National Bolshevik Germany and a Soviet Union that's very much in favour of making it's citizen's 'Pure Soviet'). Fascinating setting though have to say, even with it's disturbing nature.
 
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