Ricardolindo
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One thing I have long wondered is if without 9/11, Muslims would have joined the Religious Right in the United States. Most American Muslims voted for Bush in 2000.
That is a possible and very interesting scenario, I won’t lie.One thing I have long wondered is if without 9/11, Muslims would have joined the Religious Right in the United States. Most American Muslims voted for Bush in 2000.
A Religious Right could lead to some fun culture clashes. What is the Muslim view on Abortion?
Genuinely insightful.From what I can tell, for Sunnis abortion is always permissible if the mother's life is in jeopardy, although in other circumstances it depends on which legal school you follow. Shia, on the other hand, outlaw it entirely.
That is a possible and very interesting scenario, I won’t lie.
It’s more than likely that Islamphobia isn’t as mainstream without a 9/11-style attack and becomes a relatively respected religion in the states ala Judaism.
A Religious Right could lead to some fun culture clashes. What is the Muslim view on Abortion?
There is a consensus among Islamic scholars that a fetus is only a life after three months.From what I can tell, for Sunnis abortion is always permissible if the mother's life is in jeopardy, although in other circumstances it depends on which legal school you follow. Shia, on the other hand, outlaw it entirely.
I can certainly see a wing of it doing that - but you have the Evangelicals who support Israel for their millenarian prophecies.It’s funny to imagine — in a timeline where 9/11 never happens — we get a Religious Right that is supportive of a Palestine state.
Another thing worth mentioning- without the zeitgeist of 9/11, and the resulting backlash against Islamic Extremism and Terrorism across the Western World, how much more favorably is it viewed? And what happens with Russia? Let's not forget, 9/11 was what effectively 'ended the Cold War', and really enabled Putin to consolidate his power.Let’s say that Operation Infinite Reach is successful and Osama Bin Laden is killed on August 20th, 1998 and the 9/11 plot never comes to fruition.
What happens next? What do the 2000s and beyond look like without the September 11th terrorist attacks, Afghanistan and Iraq?
I mean no 9/11 and no GWOT probably limits some amount of democratic backslide because 1) in the US there isn't the same level of public militarization and surveilance state and 2) there's less of a culture w/r/t western foreign policy of cutting every two-bit and richer-than-two-bit dictator a blank check if they could claim they were doing counterterrorism.
One thing I have long wondered is if without 9/11, Muslims would have joined the Religious Right in the United States. Most American Muslims voted for Bush in 2000.
I can certainly see a wing of it doing that - but you have the Evangelicals who support Israel for their millenarian prophecies.
The lack of the Great Recession changes everything going forward, obviously, both in good and bad ways.
Basically a new baby boom.For a good example I just learned of, without the "Lost Decade" triggered by the GFC, there would've been 5.8 million more births from 2008 onward.
Basically a new baby boom.
So, without 9/11 (with Putin's warning to Bush, on the 9th September, heavily implying that he may well have had intel that 9/11 was going to happen IOTL, but that he chose to let it happen, in order to better profit from the ensuing crisis in the aftermath), would the USA and NATO be open to permitting Putin's Russia to 'come in from the Cold' at all?
I do wonder how Islam is viewed ― Sure there would be far less of a stigma, but would islamophobia really go away?History of Muslims in North America without 9/11 is an interesting one - in Europe they were always going to align with the left because, if not terrorism, then they were the main immigrant group anyways and thus the big boogeyman for anti immigrant politicians. In America though the main immigrant groups are Latinos. Maybe they would lean center right tbh though becoming a part of the religious right is a stretch - allies, sure, “a part of”, nah.