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Yokai Man’s Test Thread Thing

1994-1997 Paulo Villaggio (Progressives-Pact for Italy Coalition)
1994: Silvio Berlusconi-Pole of Freedom [306],Paulo Villaggio-Progressives [274],Mario Segni-Pact for Italy [46]

1997-2002 Massimo D’Alema (The Olive Tree,The Union after 2001)
1997: Massimo D’Alema-The Olive Tree [340],Antonio Martino-Forza Italia [93],Gianfranco Fini-National Alliance [93],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini/Rocco Buttiglione-CDC-CDU [27]
2002: Massimo D’Alema-The Daisy [310],Claudio Scajola-A Free Italy [206],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini-CDC-CDU [40]

2002-2012 Francesco Rutelli (The Union-CDC-CDU Coalition)
2007: Francesco Rutelli-The Union [300],Claudio Scajola-Freedom Alliance [216],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini-CDC-CDU [40]
 
Yokai Man said:
1994-1997 Paulo Villaggio (Progressives-Pact for Italy Coalition)
1994: Silvio Berlusconi-Pole of Freedom [306],Paulo Villaggio-Progressives [274],Mario Segni-Pact for Italy [46]

1997-2002 Massimo D’Alema (The Olive Tree,The Union after 2001)
1997: Massimo D’Alema-The Olive Tree [340],Antonio Martino-Forza Italia [93],Gianfranco Fini-National Alliance [93],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini/Rocco Buttiglione-CDC-CDU [27]
2002: Massimo D’Alema-The Daisy [310],Claudio Scajola-A Free Italy [206],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini-CDC-CDU [40]

2002-2012 Francesco Rutelli (The Union-CDC-CDU Coalition)
2007: Francesco Rutelli-The Union [300],Claudio Scajola-Freedom Alliance [216],Umberto Bossi-Lega Nord [79],Pier Ferdinando Casini-CDC-CDU [40]
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1969-1974 Willy Brandt (SDP-FDP Coalition)
1969 def: Kurt Georg Kiesinger (CDU/CSU),Walter Scheel (FDP)
1972 def: Rainer Brazel (CDU/CSU),Walter Scheel (FDP)

1974-1976 Hans-Jochen Vogel (SDP-FDP Coalition)

1976-1985 Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU Majority,CDU/CSU-FDP Coalition after 1980)
1976 def: Hans-Jochen Vogel (SDP), Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP)
1980 def: Hans Apel (SDP),Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP)
1984 def: Johannes Rau (SDP),Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP)

1985-1996 Helmut Schmidt (CDU/CSU-FDP Coalition)
1988 def: Oscar Lafontaine (SDP),Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP),Petra Kelly (Greens)
1990 def: Björn Engholm (SDP),Klaus Kinkel (FDP),Gregor Gysi (PDS),collective leadership (Alliance ’90)
1994 def: Gerhard Schröder (SDP),Klaus Kinkel (FDP),Ludger Volmer & Marianne Birthler (Greens),Lothar Bisky (PDS)

1996-2002 Volker Rühe (CDU/CSU-FDP Coalition)
1998 def: Rudolf Scharping (SDP),Wolfgang Gerhardt (FDP),Joschka Fisher (Greens),Lothar Bisky (PDS)
 
Remaining PD-L MPs that remained loyal after the 2012 Elections by April 2013:

Cătălin-Florin Teodorescu

Valerian Vreme

Ioan Oltean

Gheorghe Tinel

Mircea Man

Roberta Anastase

Sanda-Maria Ardeleanu

Cornel-Mircea Sămărtinean

Florin Mihail Secară

Costică Canacheu

Theodor Paleologu

Eugen Tomac

Mircea Lubanovici

Daniel Cristian Florian

Mărinică Dincă

Mihai-Ciprian Rogojan

Ion Ariton

Marius Bălu

Marius Pașcan

Andrei Volosevici

Dan Mihai Marian

Anca Boagiu

Cristian Rădulescu

Gheorghe Udriște
 
Remaining Conservative MPs after 1996:

-Howard Flight

-Desmond Swayne

-John Arbuthnot

-Dominic Grieve

-Charles Wardle

-Andrew MacKay

-Eric Forth

-Geoffrey Clifton-Brown

-Richard Ottaway

-Peter Ainsworth

-Ian Taylor

-John Major

-Michael Heseltine

-Francis Maude

-Paul Beresford

-Brian Mawhinney

-Sir George Young

-David Maclean

-Michael Fallon

-John Maples

-Norman Fowler

-Nick Hawkins

-Geoffrey Johnson-Smith

-Peter Lilley
 
Yokai Man said:
2009-2013 Manuela Ferreira Leite (PSD Majority,PSD/CDS-PP Coalition/Alliance by 2011)
2009: PSD [120],CDS-PP [42],BE [39],PCP [17],PS [12]

2013-present day Francisco Louçã (BE-PS Coalition)
2013: PàF [99],BE [90],PS [24],PCP [18]
2017: BE [106],PSD [66],PS [40],PCP [9],PAN [9]
2021: BE [103],PSD [66],PS [30],CHEGA [14],IL [8]
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The Pasokificationverse?
 
@AH Layard @Time Enough

Johnson Coalition Government,2015:

Prime Minister: Alan Johnson

Chancellor of the Exchequer: Ed Balls

Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn

Home Secretary: Lynne Featherstone

Secretary of State for Defence: Dan Jarvis

Secretary of State for Justice: Simon Hughes

Secretary of State for Health: Norman Lamb

Secretary of State for Children, Schools, and Families: Andy Burnham

Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Liam Byrne

Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, and Skills: Sir Vince Cable

Secretary of State for Transport: Michael Dugher

Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government: Sir Ed Davey

Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change: Caroline Lucas

Secretary of State for the Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs: Caroline Flint

Secretary of State for Culture, Media, and Sport: Stella Creasy

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland: Margaret Ritchie

Secretary of State for Wales: Owen Smith

Secretary of State for International Development: Ed Miliband

Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Maria Eagle

Chief Whip: Nick Brown

Leader of the House of Commons: Harriet Harman

-abolishment of the position of Secretary of State for Scotland due to future Scottish Independence on 1st March 2016-
 
Nice is this if Johnson defeated an incumbent Cameron in 2015?

Not sure that Labour would give Lib Dems Health, and particularly not Lamb who was on the right of the party (though undoubtedly a good junior health minister in the coalition). Maybe they would give DEFRA.
 
AH Layard said:
Nice is this if Johnson defeated an incumbent Cameron in 2015?

Not sure that Labour would give Lib Dems Health, and particularly not Lamb who was on the right of the party (though undoubtedly a good junior health minister in the coalition). Maybe they would give DEFRA.
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Yes,but not the same he wanted.



Leaders of the Labour Party

2010-2013 David Miliband
2010 def: Ed Miliband,Andy Burnham,Diane Abbott

2013-2014 Yvette Cooper
2013 def: Sadiq Khan,Jon Trickett
2014 Scottish Independence Referendum: 52,29% Yes

2014-202x Alan Johnson
2014 def: Sadiq Khan,Michael Meacher
2015: Alan Johnson-Labour [241],Theresa May-Conservative [227],Alec Salmond-SNP [59],Nigel Farage-UKIP [51],Nick Clegg*-Liberal Democrat [43],Leanne Wood-Plaid Cymru [8],Caroline Lucas-Green [2],George Galloway-Respect [1],Claire Wright-Independent



Basically Mil-D wins the way Gregg described on his thread and the Party more or less is unofficially bankrupt,Balls loses his seat in 2010 but comes back in Parliament in McDonald’s place,Cooper resigns due to Yes winning and feeling responsible and Johnson becomes Leader and tries his best to avoid losing too many seats-becoming PM isn’t his priority anymore here.

Added with Greece exiting the Euro by accident via referendum like George P wanted and causing a recession,a very odd situation is created,with Labour,the Conservative and the Liberal Democrats winning and losing seats by accident due to all of them suffering electorally but in different seats.

As result of negotiations,an odd Coalition is created that has a majority only due to Scotland’s independence and thus Johnson is forced to agree to everything his partners ask of him to avoid another election since no one has the funds needed for at least 5 years.
 
2012-2017 François Hollande (PS)
2012 First Round def: Marine Le Pen (FN),Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP),Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Front de Gauche),François Bayrou (MD)
2012 Second Round def: Marine Le Pen (FN)
2012: Parlamentary Left (444),UMP (53),FN (15),LC (10),Front de Gauche (10),MRC (3)

2017-2017 Gérard Larcher (UMP,interim President)
2017 First Round: Marine Le Pen (FN),Jean-Luc Mélenchon (La France Insoumise),Nicolas Dupont-Aignan (Debout la France),Alain Juppé (LR),Benoît Hamon (PS)
2017 Second Round: Marine Le Pen (FN),Jean-Luc Mélenchon (La France Insoumise)-DRAW,RE-DO OF THE ELECTION

2017-2022 Nicolas Dupont-Aignan (Debout la France)
2017 First Round def: Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP),Marine Le Pen (FN),Jean-Luc Mélenchon (La France Insoumise),Benoît Hamon (PS)
2017 Second Round def: Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP)
2017: Parlamentary Left (291),Parlamentary Right (95),FN (87),FI (85),PCF (10)
 
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1933-1941 Franklin D Roosevelt/John Nance Garner (Democratic)
1932 def: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936 def: Alf Landon/Frank Knox (Republican)

1941-1949 Thomas E Dewey/Bruce Fairchild Barton (Republican)
1940 def: Jim Farley/Harry Truman (Democratic)
1944 def: Joseph C O'Mahoney/Lyndon B Johnson (Democratic)

1949-195x Lyndon B Johnson/Adlai Stevenson II (Democratic)
 
@Time Enough @Walpurgisnacht

Something I analysed in private is how much more of a disaster the 1931 Election could have been for the Labour Party. A lot of the seats they (and their allies) kept were incredibly close to turning blue/green/yellow and the National Government getting an even bigger majority.

Even Maxton narrowly kept his seat-it is very easy to have him lose it to the Unionist candidate!

On my calculations,Labour could have only kept 25 seats in a worse 1931 election and a lot of said seats were kept solely because the Labour candidate was the only candidate.

In case you are wondering,said MPs are: William Cove,George Hall,George Daggar,Jack Lawson,Nye Bevan,Gabriel Brice,Gordon Macdonald,R.C. Wallhead,Josiah Wedgwood,Fred Hall,Ted Williams,David Lewis Davis,Charles Edwards,Jack Jones (no,not that one),Will Thorne,George Hirst,Thomas Grundy,Will Johnson,David Watts-Morgan,Charles Duncan and John McGovern.

That being said,Labour could have had one gain-Elwyn Jones defeating the only MP from Lloyd George's party bus that wasn't part of his family.

And speaking of DLG,it is also very easy to have him and his family lose their seats as well to the National Government,who honestly could only lose seats in 1931 if the Scottish Prohibitionists and the Liverpool Protestant Party were a little more successful.

Thus you have a very interesting situation,one where Nye cannot become Leader yet and either George Hall or Wedgwood becomes leader til Uncle Arthur wins a seat in a by election and can replace them after 1935.

You can also very easily have Greenwood lose the by election that brought him back in parliament and a situation where the Liberals,by default,become the Official Opposition again after 1935.
 
Yokai Man said:
@Time Enough @Walpurgisnacht

Something I analysed in private is how much more of a disaster the 1931 Election could have been for the Labour Party. A lot of the seats they (and their allies) kept were incredibly close to turning blue/green/yellow and the National Government getting an even bigger majority.

Even Maxton narrowly kept his seat-it is very easy to have him lose it to the Unionist candidate!

On my calculations,Labour could have only kept 25 seats in a worse 1931 election and a lot of said seats were kept solely because the Labour candidate was the only candidate.

In case you are wondering,said MPs are: William Cove,George Hall,George Daggar,Jack Lawson,Nye Bevan,Gabriel Brice,Gordon Macdonald,R.C. Wallhead,Josiah Wedgwood,Fred Hall,Ted Williams,David Lewis Davis,Charles Edwards,Jack Jones (no,not that one),Will Thorne,George Hirst,Thomas Grundy,Will Johnson,David Watts-Morgan,Charles Duncan and John McGovern.

That being said,Labour could have had one gain-Elwyn Jones defeating the only MP from Lloyd George's party bus that wasn't part of his family.

And speaking of DLG,it is also very easy to have him and his family lose their seats as well to the National Government,who honestly could only lose seats in 1931 if the Scottish Prohibitionists and the Liverpool Protestant Party were a little more successful.

Thus you have a very interesting situation,one where Nye cannot become Leader yet and either George Hall or Wedgwood becomes leader til Uncle Arthur wins a seat in a by election and can replace them after 1935.

You can also very easily have Greenwood lose the by election that brought him back in parliament and a situation where the Liberals,by default,become the Official Opposition again after 1935.
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An idea:

1931-1935 Ramsey MacDonald (National Labour leading National Government Majority)
1931: Ramsey MacDonald-National Government (585),Arthur Henderson*-Labour (26),Edwin Scrymgeour-Scottish Prohibition Party (1),Harry Dixon Longbottom-Liverpool Protestant Party (1)

1935-1937 Stanley Baldwin (Conservative leading National Government Majority)
1935: Stanley Baldwin-National Government (525),Herbert Samuel-Liberal (43),George Hall-Labour (40),Harry Pollitt-Communist (1),Edwin Scrymgeour-Scottish Prohibition Party (1),Harry Dixon Longbottom-Liverpool Protestant Party (1)

1937-1940 Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading National Government Majority)

1940-1942 Sir Samuel Hoare (Conservative leading National Government Majority)
1940: Sir Samuel Hoare(replacing Neville Chamberlain)-National Government (507),Manny Shinwell-Labour (52),Herbert Samuel-Liberal (47),Harry Pollitt-Communist (1),Edmund Harvey-Independent Progressive (1),Edwin Scrymgeour-Scottish Prohibition Party (1),Harry Dixon Longbottom-Liverpool Protestant Party (1)
 
Time Enough said:
Well this fucking cursed as hell.
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The longer version of this has the National Government splitting over Hoare‘s Home Office Act (which includes the abolishment of corporal punishment and the death penalty) and either Sam launching an election over it,with the Pro Life Nationals (Hoare supporters) and the Pro Justice Nationals (most of the Conservatives) being in center stage,or the Act passing but with support from some of the Liberals and Labour,the latter of which are incredibly conflicted about it.
 
@Time Enough Interesting thing I found about-apparently many after the 2015 Election asked Ed to stay for awhile as interim PM but he and his wife said no because it was emotionally tiring for Ed and just wanted some time out for a while.

I imagine that in a Conservative Minority with DUP support and confidence,Ed would be more willing to stay on a little more.

Also Alan Johnson was constanly pestered by everyone to join the 2015 leadership election and he kept saying no because,like Ed,he was tired. He had to block many phone numbers during the Corbyn Years because he said already he doesn't want the leadership anymore and he gave up trying to tell people that.

It's not hard imagining him during 2016 having a crackdown and saying yes just to make people shut up about it.
 
@Yokai Man

I can definitely see Miliband leadership continue if he’s facing a Minority Conservative government (probably requires Labour to do a bit better in Scotland as well).

It’s an interesting possibility and I could see Miliband having a better chance in an inevitable post-Brexit election campaign I guess (Maybe Remain wins slightly etc.)

As for Alan Johnson, I can see him being pushed to jump for the leadership but I get the sense he probably doesn’t.

An Alt-2015 possibility I’ve pondered is Corbyn being incapacitated in some possibility and Jon Trickett is promoted to run, now he’s certainly more popular with the PLP but I get the sense his eventual possible victory would probably be a bit mild in tone.
 
Orpington Man

1964-1973 Harold Wilson (Labour Majority,Labour-Liberal Coalition)
1964: Harold Wilson-Labour (382),Sir Rab Butler*-Conservative (220),Jo Grimond-Liberal (16)
1968: Harold Wilson-Labour (306),Reginald Maulding-Conservative (288),Christopher Layton-Liberal (21),Arthur Donaldson-SNP (2),Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru (1)

1973-1973 Iain Macleod (Conservative Majority)
1973: Iain Macleod-Conservative (367),Harold Wilson-Labour (231),Christopher Layton-Liberal (12),William Wolfe-SNP (7),Gwynfor Evans-Plaid Cymru (1)

1973-1978 Peter Walker (Conservative Majority)

1978-1979 Michael Foot (Labour Majority)
 
@Time Enough @Walpurgisnacht

Leaders of the Liberal Democrats

18 December 2007-8 May 2011 Nick Clegg
2007 def: Chris Huhme
2010: David Cameron-Conservative (306),Gordon Brown-Labour (258),Nick Clegg-Liberal Democrats (57),Caroline Lucas-Green (1)
2011 AV Referendum: 67,90% No

8 May 2011-1 July 2015 Simon Hughes
2011 def: Sir Vince Cable,Tim Farron
2013: David Cameron-Conservative (316),Ed Miliband-Labour (245),Alec Salmond-SNP (33).Simon Hughes-Liberal Democrats (28),Nigel Farage-UKIP (3),Caroline Lucas-Green (2),George Galloway-Respect (1)
2013 European Union Referendum: 52,11% Out
2013 Scottish Independence Referendum: 52,28% Yes
2014: Andy Burnham-Labour (462),John Baron-Conservative (64),Simon Hughes-Liberal Democrats (38),Leanne Wood-Plaid Cymru (7),Natalie Bennett-Green (2)

1 July 2015-present day Sir Ed Davey
 
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