theflyingmgoose
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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State
- Thread starter Mumby
- Start date
2010-2016: David Cameron (Conservative)
2010 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)
2011 AV referendum, 68% NO
2014 Scottish independence referendum, 55% NO
2015 (Majority) def. Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Nigel Farage (UKIP)
2016-2019: Theresa May (Conservative)
2019-2023: Rebecca Long-Bailey (Labour)
2019 (Majority) def. Theresa May (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat)
2023 (Majority) def. Liam Fox (Conservative), Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP)
Quite a simple concept, this one, and not very detailed. No snap election, and after the McDonnell amendment passes at Conference the Project begins preparing to hand over to Rebecca Long-Bailey the next year. Corbyn stands down in early 2018 and Long-Bailey easily gets on the ballot and wins the leadership election, starting her leadership with a decent set of local election results. The Conservatives meanwhile tear themselves apart over May's deal, and after two record-breaking defeats at the end of the year the prime minister negotiates with Labour to get a deal through Parliament. Long-Bailey storms to victory in the election that follows.
The questions remains to this day: what if May hadn't bottled it, called a snap election, and won the landslide against Jeremy Corbyn the polls predicted?
2010 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)
2011 AV referendum, 68% NO
2014 Scottish independence referendum, 55% NO
2015 (Majority) def. Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Nigel Farage (UKIP)
2016-2019: Theresa May (Conservative)
2019-2023: Rebecca Long-Bailey (Labour)
2019 (Majority) def. Theresa May (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat)
2023 (Majority) def. Liam Fox (Conservative), Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP)
Quite a simple concept, this one, and not very detailed. No snap election, and after the McDonnell amendment passes at Conference the Project begins preparing to hand over to Rebecca Long-Bailey the next year. Corbyn stands down in early 2018 and Long-Bailey easily gets on the ballot and wins the leadership election, starting her leadership with a decent set of local election results. The Conservatives meanwhile tear themselves apart over May's deal, and after two record-breaking defeats at the end of the year the prime minister negotiates with Labour to get a deal through Parliament. Long-Bailey storms to victory in the election that follows.
The questions remains to this day: what if May hadn't bottled it, called a snap election, and won the landslide against Jeremy Corbyn the polls predicted?
Hi everyone,List of Alternate Presidents and PMs IV just got locked and three people banned so as the new OP (@Rotunda was one of them lol) dont flame over if Mike Pense could have won and keep discussion of President Sanders policies to Chat please. I know this is kind of cliche and @Mumby did it last week but I wanted to do my take on it. Please like if you enjoyed my list
Theresa May calls a snap election
2016-2023: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017: Conservatives (Theresa May) 373 seats [1], Labour (Jeremy Corbyn) 160 seats [2], Scottish Nationalist (Nicola Sturgeon) 56 seats, Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat) 41 seats [3], Paul Nuthall (UKIP) 1 seat [4], Green (Caroline Lucas) 1 seat
2021: Conservatives (Theresa May) 349 seats, Labour (Lisa Nandy) 201 seats [5], Liberal Democrat (Tim Farron) 49 seats, SNP (Nicola Sturgeon) 27 seats, Green (Caroline Lucas) 3 seats [6]
2023-: Brandon Lewis (Conservative)
Next election 2026: Brandon Lewis (Conservative), Lisa Nandy (Labour), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), Scottish National (leadership election ongoing), Green (???)
[1] She even got 52% in one poll O_O hard to believe that happened when she failed so bad. Shes still bad at campaigning so the polls narrow a bit.
[2] Corbyn has to resign after losing loads of seats and the hard left is so discreditted they cant even put a candidate forward (Dennis Skinner tries but not enough nominations before the McDonald amendment they needed 15).
[3] Turns out the reason Theresa May decided not to call an election was because the Lib Dems were going to gain loads of seats. Guess they shouldve stuck with Farron lol (joke). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...orbyn-theresa-may-lynton-crosby-a7669211.html https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...owed-party-would-lose-seats-liberal-democrats
[4] UKIP still collapse like they did but Carswell stands again in Clacton and wins. He then takes over the party from Paul Nuthall and makes it libertarian but nobody likes that except me back in August lol and he loses his seat next time.
[5] She gains seats so she stays as leader like Kinnock.
[6] The leftists who returned all defect back when Nandy whos on the right becomes leader and they win Hertfordshire North and West Bristol as well.
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theflyingmgoose
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United States Edition:
PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
1861-1865 - Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1860 (with Hannibal Hamlin) def. John Breckinridge (Democratic), John Bell (Democratic), Stephen Douglas (Democratic)
1865-1873 - George McClellan (Democratic)
1864 (with Horatio Seymour) def. Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1868 (with Horatio Seymour) def. Benjamin Wade (Republican)
1873-1875 - Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872 (with James Garfield) def. Horatio Seymour (Democratic)
1875-1881 - James Garfield (Republican)
1876 (with James Blaine) def. John Palmer (Democratic)
1881-1885 - William Sherman (Republican)
1880 (with James Blaine) def. Grover Cleveland (Democratic), James Weaver (Popular Force)
1885-1889 - Thomas Bayard (Democratic)
1884 (with Allen Thurman) def. James Blaine (Republican), James Weaver (People's), Henry George (Social Labor)
1889-1894 - Henry George (Farmer-Labor)
1888 (with James Weaver) def. Thomas Bayard (Democratic), Mark Hanna (Republican)
1892 (with James Weaver) def. William McKinley (Anti-Radical)
1894-1897 - James Weaver (Farmer-Labor)
1897-1901 - Albert Beveridge (Conservative)
1896 (with Alton Parker) def. James Weaver (Farmer-Labor)
1901-1909 - Theodore Roosevelt (Farmer-Labor)
1900 (with William Jennings Bryan) def. Albert Beveridge (Conservative)
1904 (with William Jennings Bryan) def. William Taft (Conservative)
1909-1913 - William Jennings Bryan (Farmer-Labor)
1908 (with William Randolph Hearst) def. Thomas Marshall (Conservative)
1913-1921 - Nellie Tayloe Ross (National Unity)
1912 (with Thomas Marshall) def. William Jennings Bryan (Farmer-Labor), James Moyle (Conservative)
1916 (with Thomas Marshall) def. Frank Lowden (Conservative), Eugene Debs (Farmer-Labor)
1921-1927 - Leonard Wood (Farmer-Labor)
1920 (with Charles Evans Hughes) def. Thomas Marshall (National Unity), Nathan Miller (Conservative)
1924 (with Charles Evans Hughes) def. Nathan Miller (United Conservative)
1927-1929 - Charles Evans Hughes (Farmer-Labor)
1929-1933 - Royal Copeland (United Conservative)
1928 (with Herbert Hoover) def. Charles Evans Hughes (Farmer-Labor)
1933-1941 - Floyd Olson (Farmer-Labor then Social Democratic)
1932 (with William Borah) def. Royal Copeland (United Conservative)
1936 (with Frank Lloyd Wright) def. Arthur Vandenberg (United Conservative), William Borah (Farmer-Labor)
1941-1949 - Upton Sinclair (Social Democratic)
1940 (with Lyndon Johnson) def. Robert Taft (United Conservative), George Norris (Farmer-Labor)
1944 (with Lyndon Johnson) def. Robert Taft (Conservative), Henry Wallace (Farmer-Labor), Tom Dewey (National Unity)
1949-1953 - Lyndon Johnson (Social Democratic)
1948 (with Vito Marcantonio) def. Tom Dewey (One Nation), Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (Farmer-Labor)
1953-1961 - Margaret Chase Smith (National Unity)
1952 (with Richard Nixon) def. Lyndon Johnson (Social Democratic)
1956 (with Richard Nixon) def. Stuart Symington (Social Democratic)
1961-1964 - Walter Reuther (Social Democratic)
1960 (with Bayard Rustin) def. Richard Nixon (National Unity)
1964-1969 - Bayard Rustin (Social Democratic)
1964 (with Daniel Inouye) def. Barry Goldwater (Conservative), Nelson Rockefeller (National Unity)
1969-1977 - Daniel Inouye (Social Democratic)
1968 (with Hubert Humphrey) def. Richard Nixon (National Unity), John Ashbrook (Conservative)
1972 (with Hubert Humphrey) def. Robert Stanfield (National Unity), Barry Goldwater (Conservative)
1977-1978 - Hubert Humphrey (Social Democratic)
1976 (with Shirley Chisholm) def. Ronald Reagan (Conservative), Edward Levi (National Unity)
1978-1981 - Shirley Chisholm (Social Democratic)
1981-1989 - Millicent Fenwick (National Unity)
1980 (with Charles Percy) def. Shirley Chisholm (Social Democratic), Bob Dole (Conservative)
1984 (with Charles Percy) def. George McGovern (Social Democratic), Bob Michel (Conservative)
1989-1993 - Charles Percy (National Unity)
1988 (with William Cohen) def. Geraldine Ferraro (Social Democratic), Barbara Jordan (Liberal), Bob Dole (Conservative)
1993-1994 - Barbara Jordan (Liberal)
1992 (with Al Gore) def. Charles Percy (National Unity), Bob Dole (Conservative), Mike Gravel (Social Democratic)
1994-1997 - Al Gore (Liberal)
1997-2005 - Robert Reich (Social Democratic)
1996 (with Barbara Boxer) def. Al Gore (Liberal), John Boehner (United Conservative)
2000 (with Barbara Boxer) def. Jack Lew (Liberal), John Boehner (United Conservative)
2005-2009 - John McCain (United Conservative)
2004 (with John Boehner) def. Barbara Boxer (Social Democratic), Gray Davis (Liberal)
2009-2017 - Hillary Rodham (Liberal)
2008 (with Colin Powell) def. Bernie Sanders (Social Democratic), John McCain (United Conservative), Ron Paul (Patriot)
2012 (With Colin Powell) def. Mitt Romney (United Conservative), Barbara Lee (Social Democratic)
2017-2021 - Colin Powell (Liberal)
2016 (with Meg Whitman) def. Michael Flynn (United Conservative), Julian Castro (Social Democratic)
2021-2025 - John Kasich (National Unity)
2020 (with Carly Fiorina) def. Colin Powell (Liberal), Michael Flynn (Patriot), Dave Eby (Social Democratic)
2025-???? - Rachel Lindner (Social Democratic) [1]
2024 (with Robert Lee Ahn) def. John Kasich (National Unity), Michael Flynn (Patriot), Kevin Falcon (Liberal)
CURRENT CONGRESSIONAL CONTROL:
COUNCIL OF STATE:
Secretary of State - Activist Xiong Yan (2023-?)
Secretary of Defense - General David Goldfein (2019-?)
Secretary of the Treasury - President Robert Reich (2023-?)
Attorney General - Solicitor General Barack Obama (2019-?)
Secretary of State:
✓Xiong Yan (Social Democratic) - 49.83% / 66.94%
Hillary Rodham (Liberal) - 20.54% / 33.06%
Michael Steele (National Unity) - 20.11%
Mike Pompeo (Patriot) - 9.45%
Jackson Hinkle (Peace) - 0.07%
Secretary of Defense:
✓David Goldfein* (Liberal) - 96.06%
Patrick Donahoe (We Want War) - 3.28% [2]
Max Blumenthal (Peace) - 0.66%
Secretary of the Treasury:
✓Robert Reich (Social Democratic) - 41.05% / 57.35%
Spencer Cox (National Unity) - 27.11% / 42.65%
Janet Yellen (Liberal) - 21.37%
Donald Trump (Patriot) - 10.35%
David Sacks (Peace) - 0.11%
Attorney General:
✓Barack Obama* (Social Democratic) - 55.72%
Michael Pence (National Unity) - 24.39%
Elena Kagan (Liberal) - 12.78%
Michael Flynn (Patriot) - 7.11%
SENATE:
37 Social Democratic (Left/Center-Left)
15 National Unity (Center/Center-Right)
12 Liberal (Center-Left/Center)
6 Patriot (Right/Far-Right)
HOUSE:
225 Social Democratic (Left/Center-Left)
141 National Unity (Center/Center-Right)
115 Liberal (Center-Left/Center)
19 Patriot (Right/Far-Right)
1 Peace (Far-Left) [3]
[1] OC created just so I could have a subject of ire in Jeff Sessions' speech. Leftist, Non-Christian, LGBT, Young, Woman.
[2] Meme candidacy created for the sole purpose of outpolling Peace for SecDef
[3] Only happened because of normal left divisions that led to a Patriot v. Peace runoff
Conster
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- South Shenzhen, China
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2000-2004: Chen Shui-bian (DPP) †
Chen Shui-bian's assassination at the hands of a grifter the day before the presidential election sent shockwaves throughout Taiwan.
Lu Hsiu-lien's subsequent election and presidency, largely seen as a fluke by the Kuomintang, would prove no less controversial than her predecessor's, as her strong claim that Taiwan was de facto independent earned ire from China and quiet disapproval from the United States, and her outspoken feminism ignited casual sexism even within her own party. It didn't take much for her opponent in the general election, by all accounts a more conventional politician, to deny her a second term on a return-to-normalcy message alone.
Then the global economy bottomed out, inevitably harming Taiwan in the process. Ma Ying-jeou saw the relatively strong recovery in China, and tried to convince the nation that enhanced interaction with China was a necessary remedy for the economy, believing that the general public, who had just voted out possibly the most ardent supporter of Taiwanese independence, would be more receptive towards rapproachment across the strait. This backfired: despite turfing out the DPP, the Taiwanese populace was still genuinely uneasy with working with a nation that consistently did not rule out the need for military reunification, especially among the polticially aware youth. Then Ma pushed the envelope too far with a trade deal that was seen as selling out Taiwan, and all hell broke loose.
Su Tseng-chang was a permanent fixture in DPP politics, and also a fighter unafraid to trade blows with his detractors. This worked as a double-edged sword for him: on one hand, his combative attitude helped him wipe the floor with his opponents at debates and gained him diehard supporters; on the other hand, his frankly recalcitrant attitude did not do him favours on the international scene. A YouTube clip where he called Hillary Clinton a "bitch" probably didn't directly contribute to the diplomatic setbacks he faced, but it sure didn't help. In his second term, with Zhang Dejiang leaning further and further into nationalism with a weakening economy, he leaned ever closer to the United States, becoming the first president of Taiwan to meet with the Speaker of the House in decades. China did not take to this news kindly, and soon suspended flights between Taipei and the Mainland. Things could very well have escalated if not for timely intervention from the US, but even then there was a decidedly sour taste left on all sides involved.
Ting Shou-chung represented a different breed of Taiwanese voters: the kind who thought the incessant arguments over what the political entity ruling the island was called were meaningless, and would much rather live in peace rather than confront the looming spectre of military takeover anytime soon. Having cut his teeth as a firebrand backbencher in the Chen-Lu years, he now advocated for cross-strait dialogue to stave off potential warfare. Appealing to the "silent majority", and a frankly underwhelming performance from his opponent, was just enough to seal the deal. As the Taiwanese public watched their president shake hands with Hu Chunhua in Beijing for the second year in a row, some people began to wonder if the 2020 election had been preordained.
2000 def. Soong Chu-yu (Independent), Lien Chan (KMT)
2004-2008: Lu Hsiu-lien (DPP)2004 def. Lien Chan (KMT)
2008-2012: Ma Ying-jeou (KMT)2008 def. Lu Hsiu-lien (DPP)
2012-2020: Su Tseng-chang (DPP)2012 def. Ma Ying-jeou (KMT), Soong Chu-yu (PFP)
2016 def. Wang Jin-pyng (KMT)
2020-0000: Ting Shou-chung (KMT)2020 def. Lai Ching-te (DPP)
Chen Shui-bian's assassination at the hands of a grifter the day before the presidential election sent shockwaves throughout Taiwan.
Lu Hsiu-lien's subsequent election and presidency, largely seen as a fluke by the Kuomintang, would prove no less controversial than her predecessor's, as her strong claim that Taiwan was de facto independent earned ire from China and quiet disapproval from the United States, and her outspoken feminism ignited casual sexism even within her own party. It didn't take much for her opponent in the general election, by all accounts a more conventional politician, to deny her a second term on a return-to-normalcy message alone.
Then the global economy bottomed out, inevitably harming Taiwan in the process. Ma Ying-jeou saw the relatively strong recovery in China, and tried to convince the nation that enhanced interaction with China was a necessary remedy for the economy, believing that the general public, who had just voted out possibly the most ardent supporter of Taiwanese independence, would be more receptive towards rapproachment across the strait. This backfired: despite turfing out the DPP, the Taiwanese populace was still genuinely uneasy with working with a nation that consistently did not rule out the need for military reunification, especially among the polticially aware youth. Then Ma pushed the envelope too far with a trade deal that was seen as selling out Taiwan, and all hell broke loose.
Su Tseng-chang was a permanent fixture in DPP politics, and also a fighter unafraid to trade blows with his detractors. This worked as a double-edged sword for him: on one hand, his combative attitude helped him wipe the floor with his opponents at debates and gained him diehard supporters; on the other hand, his frankly recalcitrant attitude did not do him favours on the international scene. A YouTube clip where he called Hillary Clinton a "bitch" probably didn't directly contribute to the diplomatic setbacks he faced, but it sure didn't help. In his second term, with Zhang Dejiang leaning further and further into nationalism with a weakening economy, he leaned ever closer to the United States, becoming the first president of Taiwan to meet with the Speaker of the House in decades. China did not take to this news kindly, and soon suspended flights between Taipei and the Mainland. Things could very well have escalated if not for timely intervention from the US, but even then there was a decidedly sour taste left on all sides involved.
Ting Shou-chung represented a different breed of Taiwanese voters: the kind who thought the incessant arguments over what the political entity ruling the island was called were meaningless, and would much rather live in peace rather than confront the looming spectre of military takeover anytime soon. Having cut his teeth as a firebrand backbencher in the Chen-Lu years, he now advocated for cross-strait dialogue to stave off potential warfare. Appealing to the "silent majority", and a frankly underwhelming performance from his opponent, was just enough to seal the deal. As the Taiwanese public watched their president shake hands with Hu Chunhua in Beijing for the second year in a row, some people began to wonder if the 2020 election had been preordained.
I was inspired to do the above spin-off but, I promise, no more for what was originally supposed to be just the 'what if May didn't call a snap election?' list (not from the ultimately well-meaning newbie at least). Anyway: apparently the so-called 'Polcompball Wiki' retained the Wikia skin when they moved over to Miraheze (I say, as though I knew any of this before an hour ago), the skin that I was only a few years removed from so many communities abandoning Wikia over them being required to use it, and I am horrified.
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AnActualFam
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This is a fantastic list within a list that gives a lot more revelations of the world, which I always love.
Thank you!
- Location
- Municipal Commune of Bourne
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- He/Him
Quick query - is this a TL where COVID happens orr
No COVID, decided against including it, but I was thinking you probably get a similar pandemic by the end of the decade and would have worked that into a continuation if 2023 hadn't seemed like a good place to end what was really just a proof of concept. I think that if May hadn't called a snap election Corbyn would have gone as leader after it was possible to get Long-Bailey in to replace him, things would proceed roughly as they do in the list, and a 2017 snap election would be talked about to this day as a great missed opportunity.
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- Das Böse ist immer und überall
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Wait, what? Did his family move elsewhere or did Texas countersecede at some point?
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- Municipal Commune of Bourne
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okay heres alt-Mumby's cover of this scenario from that timeline
2016-2021: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017 (Majority) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist)
With her large majority and the goodwill of the Tory backbenches behind her, May actually gets her deal through in late 2018 and Britain leaves the EU in 2019. It's at this point that the wheels start to come off - the worst Labour performance since 1931 means the Tory backbenches are dense with wingnuts.
This is only a creeping concern, but gets worse after she kicks Boris out of the Cabinet in frustration at his ridiculous shenanigans. He isn't quite the leader of this crypto-ERG group, there is a lot of distrust for Boris from all sorts of quarters (look at how poorly he did despite being supposed frontrunner during the leadership election after RLB's victory). Nevertheless, he is kind of a flagwaver for those discomfited by May's actually relatively moderate leadership - especially on the emergent culture war issues that worsen in 2019/20 with the Chinese diplomatic crisis as stories about whats going on with the Uyghurs filter westward.
The economy trundles along until the Hot Summer of 2020 - the murder of Ashton Carter by Minneapolis Police spirals into a continent spanning protest movement that soon has its imitators in the UK. May is a poor person to shepherd the UK through this crisis, being the seeming face of the 'hostile environment' policy, having wrapped herself in nationalist 'red-white-and-blue' rhetoric, and having been the longest serving Home Secretary since the 1940s. Revelations of a grim workplace culture in the Metropolitan Police in particular only adds fuel to the fire. A Conservative government dealing with the aftermath of Grenfell I can only imagine drags its feet on enforcement of cladding removal and there is another bad fire in 2020. Firemen join the protestors on the streets, similar to France.
The re-election of Donald Trump despite losing the popular vote by an even bigger margin to 2016 - without RLB's example in 2019, the American left is less galvanised behind Sanders' second tilt, and the Democrats go for the ceiling-breaking but uninspiring Mayor Pete - worsens the 2021 financial crash. The Conservatives sink in the polls, even as Labour hardly has impressive numbers of their own - the defeat of Corbyn leads to a 'safe pair of hands' successor, who is less chosen to be 'the next Prime Minister' and more to just rebuild the party, and a lot of the ground game people who helped win the 2019 election in OTL go to the Greens or the LibDems. Nevertheless, with the protests of the 2020 not cooling with the weather, and with a worsening economy and May promising little more than Extra Austerity with Philip Hammond at the Treasury, it appeared likely that without a change in course, the Conservatives were heading towards defeat at the next general election.
May ultimately faces a vote of no confidence within the Tory benches - an effort spearheaded behind the scenes by the slighted Johnson. Nevertheless, when Boris takes his own soundings of standing for the leadership to lead the Tories into the next election, he doesn't really have a constituency. Boris is quite capable of banging the culture war drum, but he's too tied to a lot of the issues the Tories are facing down - austerity, systemic racism and inequality, the specific issue of fireproof cladding in London, etc etc. The party has outgrown him. The 2021 leadership election has a lot of contenders throw their hats in, and Boris ultimately endorses a man he believes will ensconce him at the heart of any administration he leads...
2021-2022: Jo Johnson (Conservative majority)
'JoJo's Bizarre Adventure' they call it - the journey of BoJo's younger brother to trying to steward the Tory Party toward a victory they seemed to desperately want to lose. Johnson was somewhat of a pro-European - this showed during the opening salvoes of the War In Ukraine, as Johnson stood side by side with Ursula von der Leyen, defying the promise of a favourable trade agreement with the Trump Administration. This infuriated the wingnuts, but without Boris to rally them, and with a fresh face at the head, the Tories enjoyed a brief polling boost. Nevertheless, the issues remained.
Johnson had persistent difficulty tackling the issues that might drag the Tories out of the electoral doldrums without raising the hackles of an increasingly ideologically coherent far-right within the party. Efforts to enact 'post-austerity' economic strategies to boost growth were winnowed down in committee, government appointees were opposed at every turn by 'Conservative Democrats'. The death knell was Johnson's refusal to squash the Sturgeon government's gender recognition proposals - these proposals were in fact very similar to those of his predecessor though May had lacked the goodwill with her party to pass the changes. Johnson in fact applauded the change and promised the long-delayed gender recognition reforms would soon be implemented south of the border. So ensued a round of resignations - which along with a few suspensions due to investigation such as in the case of Andrew Bridgen - and the foundation of the 'Reclaim Caucus', the name demonstrating the British parliamentary far-rights enamour for President Trump.
The letters to actually remove him as Tory leader never substantiated, and the numbers to remove him as Prime Minister did not exist. But Johnson's remaining premiership was a dead duck. The Tories winnowed away in the polls as erstwhile UKIP supporters drifted toward Reclaim, and Labour remained steady. The result in the end was hardly in question...
2022-0000: Angela Eagle (Labour)
2022 (Coalition w. LibDems) def. Jo Johnson (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat), Annunziata Rees-Mogg (Reclaim), Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist), Carla Denyer / Tamsin Omond (Green)
Labour won not so much because of the strength of their campaign, but because of how poor Tory turnout was - a lot of the enthusiasm for Jo-Johnsonism went to the Lib Dems instead. Reclaim held on to a fistful of seats - while the Greens won a handful themselves - a symptom of the left enthusiasm that went to the Corbyn campaign drifting toward other parties.
In the last year, Labour has passed the gender recognition reform which has been promised by both May and Johnson - and with Sturgeon leaving the SNP leadership and the party flailing somewhat it looks like Labour might have a comeback north of the border. The Tories are enduring a period of bloodletting, with Boris looking to bring Reclaim MPs back into the party and betraying his brother.
2016-2021: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017 (Majority) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist)
With her large majority and the goodwill of the Tory backbenches behind her, May actually gets her deal through in late 2018 and Britain leaves the EU in 2019. It's at this point that the wheels start to come off - the worst Labour performance since 1931 means the Tory backbenches are dense with wingnuts.
This is only a creeping concern, but gets worse after she kicks Boris out of the Cabinet in frustration at his ridiculous shenanigans. He isn't quite the leader of this crypto-ERG group, there is a lot of distrust for Boris from all sorts of quarters (look at how poorly he did despite being supposed frontrunner during the leadership election after RLB's victory). Nevertheless, he is kind of a flagwaver for those discomfited by May's actually relatively moderate leadership - especially on the emergent culture war issues that worsen in 2019/20 with the Chinese diplomatic crisis as stories about whats going on with the Uyghurs filter westward.
The economy trundles along until the Hot Summer of 2020 - the murder of Ashton Carter by Minneapolis Police spirals into a continent spanning protest movement that soon has its imitators in the UK. May is a poor person to shepherd the UK through this crisis, being the seeming face of the 'hostile environment' policy, having wrapped herself in nationalist 'red-white-and-blue' rhetoric, and having been the longest serving Home Secretary since the 1940s. Revelations of a grim workplace culture in the Metropolitan Police in particular only adds fuel to the fire. A Conservative government dealing with the aftermath of Grenfell I can only imagine drags its feet on enforcement of cladding removal and there is another bad fire in 2020. Firemen join the protestors on the streets, similar to France.
The re-election of Donald Trump despite losing the popular vote by an even bigger margin to 2016 - without RLB's example in 2019, the American left is less galvanised behind Sanders' second tilt, and the Democrats go for the ceiling-breaking but uninspiring Mayor Pete - worsens the 2021 financial crash. The Conservatives sink in the polls, even as Labour hardly has impressive numbers of their own - the defeat of Corbyn leads to a 'safe pair of hands' successor, who is less chosen to be 'the next Prime Minister' and more to just rebuild the party, and a lot of the ground game people who helped win the 2019 election in OTL go to the Greens or the LibDems. Nevertheless, with the protests of the 2020 not cooling with the weather, and with a worsening economy and May promising little more than Extra Austerity with Philip Hammond at the Treasury, it appeared likely that without a change in course, the Conservatives were heading towards defeat at the next general election.
May ultimately faces a vote of no confidence within the Tory benches - an effort spearheaded behind the scenes by the slighted Johnson. Nevertheless, when Boris takes his own soundings of standing for the leadership to lead the Tories into the next election, he doesn't really have a constituency. Boris is quite capable of banging the culture war drum, but he's too tied to a lot of the issues the Tories are facing down - austerity, systemic racism and inequality, the specific issue of fireproof cladding in London, etc etc. The party has outgrown him. The 2021 leadership election has a lot of contenders throw their hats in, and Boris ultimately endorses a man he believes will ensconce him at the heart of any administration he leads...
2021-2022: Jo Johnson (Conservative majority)
'JoJo's Bizarre Adventure' they call it - the journey of BoJo's younger brother to trying to steward the Tory Party toward a victory they seemed to desperately want to lose. Johnson was somewhat of a pro-European - this showed during the opening salvoes of the War In Ukraine, as Johnson stood side by side with Ursula von der Leyen, defying the promise of a favourable trade agreement with the Trump Administration. This infuriated the wingnuts, but without Boris to rally them, and with a fresh face at the head, the Tories enjoyed a brief polling boost. Nevertheless, the issues remained.
Johnson had persistent difficulty tackling the issues that might drag the Tories out of the electoral doldrums without raising the hackles of an increasingly ideologically coherent far-right within the party. Efforts to enact 'post-austerity' economic strategies to boost growth were winnowed down in committee, government appointees were opposed at every turn by 'Conservative Democrats'. The death knell was Johnson's refusal to squash the Sturgeon government's gender recognition proposals - these proposals were in fact very similar to those of his predecessor though May had lacked the goodwill with her party to pass the changes. Johnson in fact applauded the change and promised the long-delayed gender recognition reforms would soon be implemented south of the border. So ensued a round of resignations - which along with a few suspensions due to investigation such as in the case of Andrew Bridgen - and the foundation of the 'Reclaim Caucus', the name demonstrating the British parliamentary far-rights enamour for President Trump.
The letters to actually remove him as Tory leader never substantiated, and the numbers to remove him as Prime Minister did not exist. But Johnson's remaining premiership was a dead duck. The Tories winnowed away in the polls as erstwhile UKIP supporters drifted toward Reclaim, and Labour remained steady. The result in the end was hardly in question...
2022-0000: Angela Eagle (Labour)
2022 (Coalition w. LibDems) def. Jo Johnson (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat), Annunziata Rees-Mogg (Reclaim), Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist), Carla Denyer / Tamsin Omond (Green)
Labour won not so much because of the strength of their campaign, but because of how poor Tory turnout was - a lot of the enthusiasm for Jo-Johnsonism went to the Lib Dems instead. Reclaim held on to a fistful of seats - while the Greens won a handful themselves - a symptom of the left enthusiasm that went to the Corbyn campaign drifting toward other parties.
In the last year, Labour has passed the gender recognition reform which has been promised by both May and Johnson - and with Sturgeon leaving the SNP leadership and the party flailing somewhat it looks like Labour might have a comeback north of the border. The Tories are enduring a period of bloodletting, with Boris looking to bring Reclaim MPs back into the party and betraying his brother.
This is horrendous in the best way possible.
theflyingmgoose
Well-known member
Under the 27th Amendment to the ITTL US Constitution people who were born in the CSA who then become US citizens have the full rights to run for President.
1989-1997: George Bush (Republican)
1988 (with John McCain) def. Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1992 (with John McCain) def. Paul Tsongas (Democratic)
1997-2002: Joe Biden (Democratic)†
1996 (with Bud Cramer) def. Jack Kemp (Republican)
2000 (with Bud Cramer) def. John McCain (Republican)
2002-2005: Bud Cramer (Democratic)
2005-2013: Jim Ryun (Republican)
2004 (with Mark Foley) def. Bud Cramer (Democratic)
2008 (with Melissa Hart) def. John Kelly (Democratic)
2013-2013: Marcy Kaptur (Democratic)
2012 (with Andrew Romanoff) def. Jeb Bush (Republican)
That the Democrats have in fact long been increasing their support not just within the working class but within the white working class will no doubt come as a surprise to all those in the American media who for the past decade have been decrying the party's supposed losses among such voters, despite the fact I have been calling out their nonsense for years now. Governor Kaptur's victory over Senator Bush, therefore, did not see the reversion of a trend but rather the continuation of another; among the white working class, Democrats have seen a ten-point increase in their share of the two-party vote since studies began over seventy years ago. Yes, you read that correctly: American elections are more class-based (at least among white voters) than they were in the era of the New Deal.
Much discussed and referred to—especially during John Kelly's ill-fated campaign four years ago—are the famed Reagan Democrats. Less discussed are their actual characteristics, as opposed to the farcical idea that someone's ancestors originating from Eastern Europe makes them working-class. In reality, these 'Reagan Democrats' were overwhelmingly middle-class; that upon attaining such a status they would look upon the Republicans more favorably is nothing new in American history, for it was the same with the Eisenhower Democrats before them. Seen properly, the Reagan landslides do not represent the start of the decline of the Democrats as a labor party but its solidification once again as a party rooted in the working class.
It is curious that those who peddled the narrative now ignore the context in which the election took place while they paint it as a reversal rather than merely a high point. After they for so long solemnly informed us that Democrats would have to compromise on abortion to win back the white working class (defined in such ridiculous terms as 'no college education', of course), Kaptur's landslide—as close as you can get to one in America today—was won by a campaign that talked about the overturning of Roe last year almost as much as it did economic issues. Of course, this will come as no surprise to those of us who, rather than making assumptions that little reflected reality, actually looked at the data and saw that the white working class was just as liberal on abortion as on economics.
Will I get any apologies? Any admissions that they were wrong? I expect not. Anyway.
1988 (with John McCain) def. Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1992 (with John McCain) def. Paul Tsongas (Democratic)
1997-2002: Joe Biden (Democratic)†
1996 (with Bud Cramer) def. Jack Kemp (Republican)
2000 (with Bud Cramer) def. John McCain (Republican)
2002-2005: Bud Cramer (Democratic)
2005-2013: Jim Ryun (Republican)
2004 (with Mark Foley) def. Bud Cramer (Democratic)
2008 (with Melissa Hart) def. John Kelly (Democratic)
2013-2013: Marcy Kaptur (Democratic)
2012 (with Andrew Romanoff) def. Jeb Bush (Republican)
That the Democrats have in fact long been increasing their support not just within the working class but within the white working class will no doubt come as a surprise to all those in the American media who for the past decade have been decrying the party's supposed losses among such voters, despite the fact I have been calling out their nonsense for years now. Governor Kaptur's victory over Senator Bush, therefore, did not see the reversion of a trend but rather the continuation of another; among the white working class, Democrats have seen a ten-point increase in their share of the two-party vote since studies began over seventy years ago. Yes, you read that correctly: American elections are more class-based (at least among white voters) than they were in the era of the New Deal.
Much discussed and referred to—especially during John Kelly's ill-fated campaign four years ago—are the famed Reagan Democrats. Less discussed are their actual characteristics, as opposed to the farcical idea that someone's ancestors originating from Eastern Europe makes them working-class. In reality, these 'Reagan Democrats' were overwhelmingly middle-class; that upon attaining such a status they would look upon the Republicans more favorably is nothing new in American history, for it was the same with the Eisenhower Democrats before them. Seen properly, the Reagan landslides do not represent the start of the decline of the Democrats as a labor party but its solidification once again as a party rooted in the working class.
It is curious that those who peddled the narrative now ignore the context in which the election took place while they paint it as a reversal rather than merely a high point. After they for so long solemnly informed us that Democrats would have to compromise on abortion to win back the white working class (defined in such ridiculous terms as 'no college education', of course), Kaptur's landslide—as close as you can get to one in America today—was won by a campaign that talked about the overturning of Roe last year almost as much as it did economic issues. Of course, this will come as no surprise to those of us who, rather than making assumptions that little reflected reality, actually looked at the data and saw that the white working class was just as liberal on abortion as on economics.
Will I get any apologies? Any admissions that they were wrong? I expect not. Anyway.
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Playing with Atoms
List of countries that obtained nuclear arsenals/capabilities:
1) United States of America-1945
2) Union of Soviet Socialist Republics-1949
3) Commonwealth of Canada-1950
4) Republic of Argentina-1951
5) United Kingdom of Great Britain-1951
6) Republic of Brazil-1953
7) Republic of France-1954
8) Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia-1954
9) Swiss Confederation-1955
10) Arab Republic of Egypt-1956
11) Kingdom of Belgium-1960
12) Republic of South Africa-1960
13) People's Republic of China-1961
14) Republic of India-1961
The Nuclear Craze did not start with Oppenheimer,Hiroshima or Saharov. It started with MacKenzie King,the mad God of Canadian politics. At the supposed advice of spirits,King ordered the creation of a Canadian nuclear arms program,so that Canada may be more secure against all threats and keep up with the modern world (and also stop the damn Yankies and Soviets from destroying the Commonwealth,as King now believed after said "spirtual cross dimensional dialogue" as spirit seeing is sometimes branded nowadays). He put mass resourses and time into it,with only a select few trusted Cabinet and military figures knowing of it-not even the Americans knew about it.
It was deliberate,King had become even more and more paranoic than usual,especially after the Gouzenko Affair. King believed none of Canada's allies were trust worthy after that,seeing more and more conspiracies by the minute. By the time the bomb was finally ready and tested near Eureka,the whole Liberal Party wanted him out. He had became too difficult,too hard to work,too willing to destroy his legacy. The outrage from the Yanks just made things easier.
Still,it wasn't hard to adjust to the idea of Canada having nukes-Truman was mostly angry because King kept everyone in the dark. Worse was yet to come.
To the surprise of everyone,it came from Argentina. Somehow,despite defying almost every law of science and logic and Ronald Richter being a third rate aircraft designer and con man,his fantasist theories not only became reality,but led to Argentina obtaining a nuclear arsenal. In the frenzy of the celebration,Perón and his ministers had forgotten all their moderation,all their hard work to sit on both sides and instead fell down on their arse,chanting among others with the crowd “Ni yanquis ni marxistas ¡Peronistas!” and proclaiming that Argentina shall never again obey anyone but herself. The aftermath was too big to describe it in a few words or even sentences. A Labour-Liberal Coalition in Britain after another hang parliament,failed coups brutally put down by Perón,international sanctions,shootouts between the CIA,NKVD and UDBA (long story,it was one of many dumbs moments of the Cold War that happened by accident),the “accidental” death of Herr Richter and other “German expats”-all can be traced back to 14th February 1951.
But the most important consequence was the brief normalization of nuclear proliferation. Because of Argentina,Brazil had to obtain nuclear weapons as well to protect itself and its neighbors (but mostly itself) and no one objected. Because of Brazil,France also felt it should obtain nukes quicker and no one objected. Because of Ustase influence in Argentina and Soviet imperialism,Tito entered the arms race and everyone still thought it was a normal thing. The Swiss simply didn’t care what the world thought,if they wanted nukes then by God they got them and that was that. It seemed like the world would just get used to this and its leaders be forced to accept it as normal.
Then the Egyptian Crisis happened.
Out of damned foolishness Colonel Nasser,wanting to show a stronger hand in making his dream of an United Arab Republic and later nationalizing the Suez Canal,hired certain German “advisors” that had “willingly” left Argentina and heavily funded a nuclear weapons program. On 27 July 1956,Egypt detonated its first nuclear bomb and Nasser held a massive rally in Cairo,almost identical to the one Perón held a couple of years back. Drunken by nationalist retoric,Nasser thought his grandiose plans for his vision of the Arab world would come reality. No one would dare fight he who mastered the power of the atom.
He was deadly wrong.
Everyone was outraged by these actions-especially the Soviets,who were kept in the dark about this and now feared,along with the rest of the world,that a new rouge state had come in being. The British,the French and the Israeli were more frighteted than delighted-sure,they now had a good reason to invade Egypt,but they did not expect Nasser to do such an act of wanton defiance. Nor of him to make all their fears come true. Anthony Eden now viewed himself as being on a mission,to stop another tyrant like others have failed with Perón. In an act that would serve as the beginning of a curious collaboration between the West and Moscow,he and Khrushchev agreed that the British-Franco-Israeli invasion force would be backed in the UN by the Soviets and,along with President Nixon,approve the removal of Nasser and his regime and getting rid of all weapons of mass distruction. Sure,this meant throwing Hungary under the bus but Eden reluctantly viewed as a necessary price in exchange for eliminating a threat to world peace. It did not mattered that Egypt was thrown into war and chaos for decades to come or that the Suez Canal was blown by Nasser in his last orders-the needs of the many outweighted the needs of the few in the minds of people back then.
But the Atomic Craze was not over. Many more nations desired the power of the atom,either to protect themselves or to conquer their enemies. The Belgians wanted to reafirm themselves as a worthy power. The South Africans and the Chinese Communists wanted to become independent from the world and no longer be hold back by the rules of the world. The Indians wanted protection from their neighboors,who they viewed as an eteral threat to their survival as a nation. The power of the atom now belonged to everyone.
And the world powers feared that. They hated that. Something had to be done.
By 21 September 1961,Prime Minister Eden,President Humphrey and Secretary General Kirichenko had come to a common solution. The Stockholm Treaty,signed (in many cases forcibly) by 150 nations,meant that no more nuclear reactors or nuclear weapons testing shall be built or done by those who signed after 1 January 1962. Anyone who did not sign the Treaty became labeled as a rouge state and thus sanctioned heavily by the international community. Some nations like West Germany even included this in the Constitution to show their commitment to creating a safer world for the future generations (and the Iron Curtain nations but they did it because Moscow forced them and threatened military action). In some ways,this was viewed,as if not the end or even the beginning of the end of the Cold War,then at least the end of the beginning. The fall of fascism in Spain in fact can be tied to this,as Franco fell from power in 1963 due to sanctions and democracy slowly returned in the penisula.
But it was one of the few benefits of this new consensus. In their desire to create a less dangerous world for their people,the leaders of the world had enleashed a world where they became even more depentent on fosil fuels and nations like Albania,South Africa,Argentina or China became isolated,impoverished states,prone to coups and civil wars in the years to come. Today,the unstopable growth of global warming can linked as a direct consequence of the Stockholm Treaty. Florida,London,Venice,Malvines,Sri Lanka,Netherlands,Belgium,Denmark-all gone,swept by the waters. By misusing the power of the atom and locking it afterwards in fear,Humphrey,Eden and Kirilenko had merely doomed the world to a slower,crueler death.
If only they learned....
List of countries that obtained nuclear arsenals/capabilities:
1) United States of America-1945
2) Union of Soviet Socialist Republics-1949
3) Commonwealth of Canada-1950
4) Republic of Argentina-1951
5) United Kingdom of Great Britain-1951
6) Republic of Brazil-1953
7) Republic of France-1954
8) Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia-1954
9) Swiss Confederation-1955
10) Arab Republic of Egypt-1956
11) Kingdom of Belgium-1960
12) Republic of South Africa-1960
13) People's Republic of China-1961
14) Republic of India-1961
The Nuclear Craze did not start with Oppenheimer,Hiroshima or Saharov. It started with MacKenzie King,the mad God of Canadian politics. At the supposed advice of spirits,King ordered the creation of a Canadian nuclear arms program,so that Canada may be more secure against all threats and keep up with the modern world (and also stop the damn Yankies and Soviets from destroying the Commonwealth,as King now believed after said "spirtual cross dimensional dialogue" as spirit seeing is sometimes branded nowadays). He put mass resourses and time into it,with only a select few trusted Cabinet and military figures knowing of it-not even the Americans knew about it.
It was deliberate,King had become even more and more paranoic than usual,especially after the Gouzenko Affair. King believed none of Canada's allies were trust worthy after that,seeing more and more conspiracies by the minute. By the time the bomb was finally ready and tested near Eureka,the whole Liberal Party wanted him out. He had became too difficult,too hard to work,too willing to destroy his legacy. The outrage from the Yanks just made things easier.
Still,it wasn't hard to adjust to the idea of Canada having nukes-Truman was mostly angry because King kept everyone in the dark. Worse was yet to come.
To the surprise of everyone,it came from Argentina. Somehow,despite defying almost every law of science and logic and Ronald Richter being a third rate aircraft designer and con man,his fantasist theories not only became reality,but led to Argentina obtaining a nuclear arsenal. In the frenzy of the celebration,Perón and his ministers had forgotten all their moderation,all their hard work to sit on both sides and instead fell down on their arse,chanting among others with the crowd “Ni yanquis ni marxistas ¡Peronistas!” and proclaiming that Argentina shall never again obey anyone but herself. The aftermath was too big to describe it in a few words or even sentences. A Labour-Liberal Coalition in Britain after another hang parliament,failed coups brutally put down by Perón,international sanctions,shootouts between the CIA,NKVD and UDBA (long story,it was one of many dumbs moments of the Cold War that happened by accident),the “accidental” death of Herr Richter and other “German expats”-all can be traced back to 14th February 1951.
But the most important consequence was the brief normalization of nuclear proliferation. Because of Argentina,Brazil had to obtain nuclear weapons as well to protect itself and its neighbors (but mostly itself) and no one objected. Because of Brazil,France also felt it should obtain nukes quicker and no one objected. Because of Ustase influence in Argentina and Soviet imperialism,Tito entered the arms race and everyone still thought it was a normal thing. The Swiss simply didn’t care what the world thought,if they wanted nukes then by God they got them and that was that. It seemed like the world would just get used to this and its leaders be forced to accept it as normal.
Then the Egyptian Crisis happened.
Out of damned foolishness Colonel Nasser,wanting to show a stronger hand in making his dream of an United Arab Republic and later nationalizing the Suez Canal,hired certain German “advisors” that had “willingly” left Argentina and heavily funded a nuclear weapons program. On 27 July 1956,Egypt detonated its first nuclear bomb and Nasser held a massive rally in Cairo,almost identical to the one Perón held a couple of years back. Drunken by nationalist retoric,Nasser thought his grandiose plans for his vision of the Arab world would come reality. No one would dare fight he who mastered the power of the atom.
He was deadly wrong.
Everyone was outraged by these actions-especially the Soviets,who were kept in the dark about this and now feared,along with the rest of the world,that a new rouge state had come in being. The British,the French and the Israeli were more frighteted than delighted-sure,they now had a good reason to invade Egypt,but they did not expect Nasser to do such an act of wanton defiance. Nor of him to make all their fears come true. Anthony Eden now viewed himself as being on a mission,to stop another tyrant like others have failed with Perón. In an act that would serve as the beginning of a curious collaboration between the West and Moscow,he and Khrushchev agreed that the British-Franco-Israeli invasion force would be backed in the UN by the Soviets and,along with President Nixon,approve the removal of Nasser and his regime and getting rid of all weapons of mass distruction. Sure,this meant throwing Hungary under the bus but Eden reluctantly viewed as a necessary price in exchange for eliminating a threat to world peace. It did not mattered that Egypt was thrown into war and chaos for decades to come or that the Suez Canal was blown by Nasser in his last orders-the needs of the many outweighted the needs of the few in the minds of people back then.
But the Atomic Craze was not over. Many more nations desired the power of the atom,either to protect themselves or to conquer their enemies. The Belgians wanted to reafirm themselves as a worthy power. The South Africans and the Chinese Communists wanted to become independent from the world and no longer be hold back by the rules of the world. The Indians wanted protection from their neighboors,who they viewed as an eteral threat to their survival as a nation. The power of the atom now belonged to everyone.
And the world powers feared that. They hated that. Something had to be done.
By 21 September 1961,Prime Minister Eden,President Humphrey and Secretary General Kirichenko had come to a common solution. The Stockholm Treaty,signed (in many cases forcibly) by 150 nations,meant that no more nuclear reactors or nuclear weapons testing shall be built or done by those who signed after 1 January 1962. Anyone who did not sign the Treaty became labeled as a rouge state and thus sanctioned heavily by the international community. Some nations like West Germany even included this in the Constitution to show their commitment to creating a safer world for the future generations (and the Iron Curtain nations but they did it because Moscow forced them and threatened military action). In some ways,this was viewed,as if not the end or even the beginning of the end of the Cold War,then at least the end of the beginning. The fall of fascism in Spain in fact can be tied to this,as Franco fell from power in 1963 due to sanctions and democracy slowly returned in the penisula.
But it was one of the few benefits of this new consensus. In their desire to create a less dangerous world for their people,the leaders of the world had enleashed a world where they became even more depentent on fosil fuels and nations like Albania,South Africa,Argentina or China became isolated,impoverished states,prone to coups and civil wars in the years to come. Today,the unstopable growth of global warming can linked as a direct consequence of the Stockholm Treaty. Florida,London,Venice,Malvines,Sri Lanka,Netherlands,Belgium,Denmark-all gone,swept by the waters. By misusing the power of the atom and locking it afterwards in fear,Humphrey,Eden and Kirilenko had merely doomed the world to a slower,crueler death.
If only they learned....
TheHatMan98
Well-known member
1913-1921: Gov. of New Jersey Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1912 (w/ Gov. of Indiana Thomas R. Marshall) def. Fmr. Pres. Theodore Roosevelt/Gov. of California Hiram Johnson (Progressive); Pres. William Howard Taft/Pres. of Columbia University Nicholas Butler (Republican)
1916 (w/ Vice Pres. Thomas R. Marshall) def. Associate Justice Charles Evans Hughes/Fmr. Vice Pres. Charles W. Fairbank (Republican)
1921-1923: Sen. From Ohio Warren G. Harding† (Republican)
1920 (w/ Director of the A.R.A. Herbert Hoover) def. Solicitor Gen. John W. Davis/Assist. Sec. of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1923-1929: Vice Pres. Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1924 (w/ Fmr. Gov. of Massachusetts Calvin Coolidge) def. Fmr. Gov of Ohio James M. Cox/Gov. of Nebraska Charles W. Bryan (Democratic)
1929-1933: Vice Pres. Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1928 (w/ Sen. Majority Leader Charles Curtis) def. Gov. of New York Al Smith/Sen. Minority Leader Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic); Sen. From Wisconsin Robert M. La Follette/Sen. From Montana Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1933-1945: Gov. of New York Franklin D. Roosevelt† (Democratic)
1932 (w/ Speaker of the House John Nance Garner) def. Pres. Calvin Coolidge/Vice Pres. Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936 (w/ Vice Pres. John Nance Garner) def. Fmr. Pres. Herbert Hoover/Publisher Frank Knox (Republican)
1940 (w/ Sen. Majority Leader Alben W. Barkley) def. Gov. of Kansas Alf Landon/Publisher Frank Knox (Republican)
1944 (w/ Sen. From Missouri Harry S. Truman) def. Exec. of Commonwealth & Southern Wendell Willkie/Gov. of Ohio John W. Bricker (Republican)
1945-1957: Vice Pres. Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
1948 (w/ Sec. of Commerce Henry A. Wallace) def. Gov. of New York Thomas E. Dewey/Sen. Minority Leader Charles L. McNary (Republican)
1952 (w/ Vice Pres. Henry A. Wallace) def. Gov. of New York Thomas E. Dewey/Gov. of California Earl Warren (Republican); Fmr. Gov of South Carolina Strom Thurmond/Gov. of Mississippi Fielding L. Wright (Dixiecrat)
1957-1963: Sen. From California Richard M. Nixon† (Republican)
1956 (w/ Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower) def. Fmr. Gov. of Illinois Adlai Stevenson II/ Sen. From Texas Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1960 (w/ Rep. From Michigan Gerald Ford) def. Fmr. Gov. of Illinois Adlai Stevenson II/Sen. From Tennessee Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1963-1965: Vice Pres. Gerald Ford (Republican)
1965-1973: Sen. Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1964 (w/ Sen. Majority Whip Hubert Humphrey) def. Pres. Gerald Ford/Sen. From Massachusetts Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1968 (w/ Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey) def. Sen. From Arizona Barry Goldwater/Gov. of Maryland Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1973-1977: Gov. of California Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1972 (w/ Fmr. Gov. of Maryland Spiro Agnew) def. Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey/Sen. From Alabama John Sparkman (Democratic); Gov. of Alabama George Wallace/USAF Gen. Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1977-1982: Sen. From Massachusetts John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1976 (w/ Sen. From Minnesota Walter Mondale) def. Pres. Ronald Reagan/Rep. From New York William E. Miller (Republican)
1980 (w/ Sen. From Delaware Joe Biden) def. Rep. from Illinois John B. Anderson/ Fmr. Sec. of Defence George H.W. Bush
1982-1985: Vice Pres. Joe Biden (Democratic)
1985-1993: Fmr. Sec. of Defence George H.W. Bush (Republican)
1984 (w/ Rep. From Wyoming Dick Cheney) def. Fmr. Sen. From South Dakota George McGovern/Fmr. Sen. From Maine Edmund Muskie (Democratic); Pres. Joe Biden/Fmr. Ambassador to France Sargent Shriver (Independent)
1988 (w/ Vice Pres. Dick Cheney) def. Sen. From Minnesota Walter Mondale/Rep. From New York Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1993-2001: Fmr. Gov. of Georgia Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1992 (w/ Sen. From Tennessee Al Gore) def. Sen. From Arizona John McCain/Sen. Minority Leader Bob Dole (Republican)
1996 (w/ Vice Pres. Al Gore) def. Sen. Majority Leader Bob Dole/Rep. From New York Jack Kemp (Republican); President and CEO of Perot Systems Ross Perot/Fmr. Gov. of Wisconsin Patrick Lucey (Reform)
2001-2005: Chairman of the Trump Organisation Donald Trump (Reform)
2000 (w/ Fmr. Pres. Joe Biden) def. Sen. From Arizona John McCain/Admiral James Stockdale (Republican); Vice Pres. Al Gore/Sec. of the Treasury Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
2005-2013: Gov. of Texas George W. Bush (Republican)
2004 (w/ Sen. From Indiana Dan Quayle) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Michael Dukakis/Sen. From Connecticut Joe Lieberman (Democratic); Pres. Donald Trump/Vice Pres. Joe Biden (Reform)
2008 (w/ Rep. From Indiana Mike Pence) def. Sen. From Massachusetts John Kerry/Fmr. Sen. From North Carolina John Edwards (Democratic)
2013-2021: Fmr. Sen. From Arkansas Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2012 (w/ Sen. From Illinois Barack Obama) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Mitt Romney/Fmr. Gov. of Alaska Sarah Palin (Republican)
2016 (w/ Vice Pres. Barack Obama) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Mitt Romney/Author Pat Buchanan (Republican)
2021-Present: Vice Pres. Barack Obama (Democratic)
2020 (w/ Sen. From Virginia Tim Kaine) def. Fmr. Sec. of State Hilary Rodham/Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (Republican)
1912 (w/ Gov. of Indiana Thomas R. Marshall) def. Fmr. Pres. Theodore Roosevelt/Gov. of California Hiram Johnson (Progressive); Pres. William Howard Taft/Pres. of Columbia University Nicholas Butler (Republican)
1916 (w/ Vice Pres. Thomas R. Marshall) def. Associate Justice Charles Evans Hughes/Fmr. Vice Pres. Charles W. Fairbank (Republican)
1921-1923: Sen. From Ohio Warren G. Harding† (Republican)
1920 (w/ Director of the A.R.A. Herbert Hoover) def. Solicitor Gen. John W. Davis/Assist. Sec. of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1923-1929: Vice Pres. Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1924 (w/ Fmr. Gov. of Massachusetts Calvin Coolidge) def. Fmr. Gov of Ohio James M. Cox/Gov. of Nebraska Charles W. Bryan (Democratic)
1929-1933: Vice Pres. Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1928 (w/ Sen. Majority Leader Charles Curtis) def. Gov. of New York Al Smith/Sen. Minority Leader Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic); Sen. From Wisconsin Robert M. La Follette/Sen. From Montana Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1933-1945: Gov. of New York Franklin D. Roosevelt† (Democratic)
1932 (w/ Speaker of the House John Nance Garner) def. Pres. Calvin Coolidge/Vice Pres. Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936 (w/ Vice Pres. John Nance Garner) def. Fmr. Pres. Herbert Hoover/Publisher Frank Knox (Republican)
1940 (w/ Sen. Majority Leader Alben W. Barkley) def. Gov. of Kansas Alf Landon/Publisher Frank Knox (Republican)
1944 (w/ Sen. From Missouri Harry S. Truman) def. Exec. of Commonwealth & Southern Wendell Willkie/Gov. of Ohio John W. Bricker (Republican)
1945-1957: Vice Pres. Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
1948 (w/ Sec. of Commerce Henry A. Wallace) def. Gov. of New York Thomas E. Dewey/Sen. Minority Leader Charles L. McNary (Republican)
1952 (w/ Vice Pres. Henry A. Wallace) def. Gov. of New York Thomas E. Dewey/Gov. of California Earl Warren (Republican); Fmr. Gov of South Carolina Strom Thurmond/Gov. of Mississippi Fielding L. Wright (Dixiecrat)
1957-1963: Sen. From California Richard M. Nixon† (Republican)
1956 (w/ Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower) def. Fmr. Gov. of Illinois Adlai Stevenson II/ Sen. From Texas Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1960 (w/ Rep. From Michigan Gerald Ford) def. Fmr. Gov. of Illinois Adlai Stevenson II/Sen. From Tennessee Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1963-1965: Vice Pres. Gerald Ford (Republican)
1965-1973: Sen. Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1964 (w/ Sen. Majority Whip Hubert Humphrey) def. Pres. Gerald Ford/Sen. From Massachusetts Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1968 (w/ Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey) def. Sen. From Arizona Barry Goldwater/Gov. of Maryland Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1973-1977: Gov. of California Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1972 (w/ Fmr. Gov. of Maryland Spiro Agnew) def. Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey/Sen. From Alabama John Sparkman (Democratic); Gov. of Alabama George Wallace/USAF Gen. Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1977-1982: Sen. From Massachusetts John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1976 (w/ Sen. From Minnesota Walter Mondale) def. Pres. Ronald Reagan/Rep. From New York William E. Miller (Republican)
1980 (w/ Sen. From Delaware Joe Biden) def. Rep. from Illinois John B. Anderson/ Fmr. Sec. of Defence George H.W. Bush
1982-1985: Vice Pres. Joe Biden (Democratic)
1985-1993: Fmr. Sec. of Defence George H.W. Bush (Republican)
1984 (w/ Rep. From Wyoming Dick Cheney) def. Fmr. Sen. From South Dakota George McGovern/Fmr. Sen. From Maine Edmund Muskie (Democratic); Pres. Joe Biden/Fmr. Ambassador to France Sargent Shriver (Independent)
1988 (w/ Vice Pres. Dick Cheney) def. Sen. From Minnesota Walter Mondale/Rep. From New York Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1993-2001: Fmr. Gov. of Georgia Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1992 (w/ Sen. From Tennessee Al Gore) def. Sen. From Arizona John McCain/Sen. Minority Leader Bob Dole (Republican)
1996 (w/ Vice Pres. Al Gore) def. Sen. Majority Leader Bob Dole/Rep. From New York Jack Kemp (Republican); President and CEO of Perot Systems Ross Perot/Fmr. Gov. of Wisconsin Patrick Lucey (Reform)
2001-2005: Chairman of the Trump Organisation Donald Trump (Reform)
2000 (w/ Fmr. Pres. Joe Biden) def. Sen. From Arizona John McCain/Admiral James Stockdale (Republican); Vice Pres. Al Gore/Sec. of the Treasury Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
2005-2013: Gov. of Texas George W. Bush (Republican)
2004 (w/ Sen. From Indiana Dan Quayle) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Michael Dukakis/Sen. From Connecticut Joe Lieberman (Democratic); Pres. Donald Trump/Vice Pres. Joe Biden (Reform)
2008 (w/ Rep. From Indiana Mike Pence) def. Sen. From Massachusetts John Kerry/Fmr. Sen. From North Carolina John Edwards (Democratic)
2013-2021: Fmr. Sen. From Arkansas Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2012 (w/ Sen. From Illinois Barack Obama) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Mitt Romney/Fmr. Gov. of Alaska Sarah Palin (Republican)
2016 (w/ Vice Pres. Barack Obama) def. Fmr. Gov of Massachusetts Mitt Romney/Author Pat Buchanan (Republican)
2021-Present: Vice Pres. Barack Obama (Democratic)
2020 (w/ Sen. From Virginia Tim Kaine) def. Fmr. Sec. of State Hilary Rodham/Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (Republican)
Shuffling the deck?
TheHatMan98
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Subtitled 'Joe Biden: Political Zombie'
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Germany Edition:
LORD PRESIDENTS OF GERMANY:
1889-1896 - Otto von Bismarck (IND)
1889 def. UNOPPOSED
1889 Legislature - CON Minority (LIB Coalition)
1893 Legislature - CON Minority (LIB Coalition)
1896-1910 - August Bebel (SPD)
1896 def. Otto von Manteuffel (CON)
1896 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB Coalition)
1897 Legislature - SPD Majority
1901 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB Coalition)
1903 def. Franz von Ballestrem (CEN)
1904 Legislature - SPD Majority
1908 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN-AGR-LIB Coalition)
1910-1917 - Hugo Haase (SPD)
1910 def. Adolf Grober (CON)
1910 Legislature - SPD Majority
1914 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB Coalition)
1917-1931 - Paul von Hindenberg (CON)
1917 def. Hugo Haase (SPD)
1918 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN Coalition)
1922 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN-AGR-LIB-DVP Coalition)
1924 def. Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1924 Legislature - CON Majority
1928 Legislature - SPD Minority (AGR-KPD Coalition)
1929 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN-DVP-NSDAP Coalition)
1931-1934 - Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1931 def. Ernst Thalmann (KPD)
1931 Legislature - CON Minority (NSDAP-CEN-DVP Coalition)
1933 Legislature - SPD Majority
1934 Recall - 79% YES
1934-1955 - Toni Sender (SPD)
1934 def. Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1937 Legislature - SPD Majority
1941 Legislature - SPD Majority
1941 def. Otto Frank (CON)
1945 Legislature - War Coalition Retained
1949 Legislature - SPD Majority
1953 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB-AGR Coalition)
1955-1962 - Konrad Adenauer (CEN)
1955 def. Kurt Schumacher (SPD)
1956 Legislature - CEN Minority (CON-AGR Coalition)
1960 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB Coalition)
1962-1976 - Herbert Weichmann (SPD)
1962 def. Konrad Adenauer (CEN)
1964 Legislature - SPD Majority
1968 Legislature - SPD Majority
1969 def. Reinhold Maier (CEN)
1972 Legislature - SPD Majority
1976 Legislature - SPD Majority
1976-1979 - Kurt Schumacher (SPD)
1976 def. Franz-Josef Strauss (CEN)
1979-1979 - Helmut Schmidt (SPD) - Acting President As President of the Bundestag
1979-1986 - Helmut Schmidt (SPD)
1979 def. Franz-Josef Strauss (SPD)
1980 Legislature - SPD Majority
1984 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB Coalition)
1986-1993 - Petra Kelly (GRN)
1986 def. Helmut Schmidt (SPD)
1986 Legislature - GRN Minority (SPD Coalition)
1990 Legislature - CEN Minority (CON-LIB Coalition)
1993-2000 - Angela Merkel (CEN)
1993 def. Petra Kelly (GRN)
1994 Legislature - CEN Minority (CON Coalition)
1998 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB-GRN Coalition)
2000-2002 Gerhard Schroder (SPD)
2000 def. Angela Merkel (CEN)
2002 Legislature - CEN Majority
2002-2002 - Kai Wegener (CEN)
2002-2009 - Angela Merkel (CEN)
2002 def. Martin Schulz (SPD)
2006 Legislature - CEN Minority (CON-LIB Coalition)
2009-2016 - Olaf Scholz (SPD)
2009 def. Angela Merkel (CEN)
2009 Legislature - SPD Majority
2013 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN-LIB Coalition)
2015 Legislature - SPD Minority (LIB-GRN Coalition)
2016-Incumbent - Alice Weidel (CON)
2016 def. Olaf Scholz (SPD)
2016 Legislature - CON Minority (CEN Coalition)
2018 Legislature - CON Majority
2022 Legislature - GRN Minority (SPD Coalition)
14-Day Rolling Average - 2023 German Republic Presidential Election:
1/14 November 2023
Alice Weidel* (CON) - 31.9%
Marina Weisband (GRN) - 26.6%
Franziska Giffey (SPD) - 20.1%
Markus Soder (CEN) - 12.8%
Christian Lindner (LIB) - 7.5%
- Location
- Das Böse ist immer und überall
- Pronouns
- he/him
A very stupid idea that came to me after a discussion with @Makemakean the other day.
List of Chancery Presidents of the Kingdom of Sweden (1920-present)
1920-1921: Artur Moen (Hat)
1921-1926: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1926: Artur Moen (Hat)
1926-1930: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1930-1935: Erik Gustaf Granlund (Hat)
1935-1949: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1949-1957: Lauri Laukkanen (Cap)
1957-1963: Johan Dybäck (Hat)
1963-1968: Gustaf Adolf "Pelle" Hammarskjöld (Cap)
1968-1979: Pietari Elias Kerttunen (Cap)
1979-1980: Bo Andersson (Hat)
1980-1984: Pietari Elias Kerttunen (Cap)
1984-1993: Magnus Storbakken (Hat)
1993: Aino-Marja Finlayson (Hat)
1993-2003: Juha Ristinen (Cap)
2003-2006: Per Martinsson (Cap)
2006-2015: Stefan Hallberg (Hat)
2015-present: Kasperi Kerttunen (Cap)
List of Chancery Presidents of the Kingdom of Sweden (1920-present)
1920-1921: Artur Moen (Hat)
1921-1926: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1926: Artur Moen (Hat)
1926-1930: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1930-1935: Erik Gustaf Granlund (Hat)
1935-1949: Lars Johan Blåfield (Cap)
1949-1957: Lauri Laukkanen (Cap)
1957-1963: Johan Dybäck (Hat)
1963-1968: Gustaf Adolf "Pelle" Hammarskjöld (Cap)
1968-1979: Pietari Elias Kerttunen (Cap)
1979-1980: Bo Andersson (Hat)
1980-1984: Pietari Elias Kerttunen (Cap)
1984-1993: Magnus Storbakken (Hat)
1993: Aino-Marja Finlayson (Hat)
1993-2003: Juha Ristinen (Cap)
2003-2006: Per Martinsson (Cap)
2006-2015: Stefan Hallberg (Hat)
2015-present: Kasperi Kerttunen (Cap)