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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

Ishan

Member
Inspired by a Prime Minister Infinity Game I played

PRIME MINISTERS of the UNITED KINGDOM
Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats-Labour) coalition (2010-2013)
10: Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats), David Cameron (Conservatives), Gordon Brown (Labour)
11 Electoral Reform Referendum: 59% YES led by Nick Clegg, 41% NO led by Ken Clarke

George Osborne (Conservatives-UKIP) coalition (2013-2016)
13: George Osborne (Conservatives), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats), John McDonnell (Labour), Nigel Farage (UKIP), Caroline Lucas (Greens)
15 EU Referendum: 53% Remain led by Nick Clegg and George Osborne, 47% Leave led by Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey

Andy Burnham (Labour-Liberal Democrats-Greens-NHS Action) coalition (2016-0000)
16: Andy Burnham (Labour), George Osborne (Conservatives), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats), Nigel Farage (UKIP), Sian Berry & Jonathan Bartley (Greens), Alex Salmond ("Salmondite" SNP), Fiona Hyslop & Patrick Harvie (Scottish Greens) & (Independent SNP), George Galloway (RESPECT/Socialist/Militant/TUSC/SWP "The Left"), Richard Taylor (NHS Action)
America in this Timeline:

Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic) (2009-2013)
08: John McCain/Sarah Palin (Republican)
Mike Huckabee/Rick Santorum (2013-2017)
12: Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic), Mike Bloomberg/Christine Todd Whitman (Americans Elect), Bernie Sanders/Howie Hawkins (Green)
Hillary Clinton/Andrew Romanoff (2017-0000)
16: Mike Huckabee/Rick Santorum (Republican), Ron Paul/Gary Johnson (Libertarian), Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein (Green), Joseph Cao/Charles Djou (Unity)
20: Carly Florina/Rand Paul (Republican/Libertarian), Jerry Falwell Jr./several running mates (Constitution/Christian), Jim Webb/Buddy Roemer (Unity), Jill Stein/Howie Hawkins (Green)
 

Comrade Izaac

Secretary General of the Alt-Historians Union
Pronouns
They/Them
Hillary Clinton/Andrew Romanoff (2017-0000)
16: Mike Huckabee/Rick Santorum (Republican), Ron Paul/Gary Johnson (Libertarian), Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein (Green), Joseph Cao/Charles Djou (Unity)
i kind of doubt that Bernie would run Green given the scenario but im not sure about your thought process; he didn't even run Green IOTL after the Democratic Party did everything they could to say Fuck You Bernie! and that's without someone like Colorado god-king H.A Romanoff, the dude who has been running primaries against established Democrats in the name of, in essence, a Green New Deal in all but name for like a decade being on the Democratic ticket

Hillary picked Tim Kaine as her running mate IOTL and Bernie still happily endorsed the Dems after they openly conspired against him for the entire Primary season
 

Ishan

Member
I kind of doubt that Bernie would run Green given the scenario but im not sure about your thought process; he didn't even run Green IOTL after the Democratic Party did everything they could to say Fuck You Bernie! and that's without someone like Colorado god-king H.A Romanoff, the dude who has been running primaries against established Democrats in the name of, in essence, a Green New Deal in all but name for like a decade being on the Democratic ticket

Hillary picked Tim Kaine as her running mate IOTL and Bernie still happily endorsed the Dems after they openly conspired against him for the entire Primary season
Barack Obama gets primaried by Sanders and Sanders does very well in the primary, and due to Obama being very hostile to Sanders and due to him having to run against Howard Dean back home in Vermont, Sanders joins the Greens in 2012 and gets their nomination very easily, and gets 8% and he wins Vermont. In 2016 he runs for the Green nomination due to being the Green nominee in 2012 and gets around 7% and wins Vermont again very narrowly by a few hundred votes

Bernie is elected as a Green Senator from Vermont in 2018 and defeats Senator Howard Dean due to popular Republican Lt. Governor Phil Scott running.

In this timeline, the Green Party is a more viable party, having a Senator (Bernie Sanders), and a few Representatives, and around two hundred state legislators.

This might be a wank but then again, I doubt that most things in this TL could have happened.
 

Comrade Izaac

Secretary General of the Alt-Historians Union
Pronouns
They/Them
His leaving the LU basically set up the rest of his theory of political change. When he was first elected mayor a bunch of his aides and allies on city council wanted him to join Barry Commoner's Citizens Party but Bernie refused to affiliate with them.
alternate timeline where Bernie joins the Commoners and sets up butterflies that destroys the two party system
 

Nyvis

Token Marxist
Location
Paris
Pronouns
She/Her
The big thing about this is that it goes against Sanders' general policy of not supporting third party candidates and not affiliating with minor political parties.
I think the best way to change that would be to have the dems fuck with him in Vermont, not just nationally. As long as his seat as senator isn't threatened, he's not going to rock the boat.
 

Mumby

Always mysterious!
Published by SLP
Location
Municipal Commune of Bourne
Pronouns
He/Him
just a silly little exercise in butterfly murder

Kings of England

1199-1216: John I 'Lackland' (Anjou)
1216-1226: Lewis I 'The Lion' (Capet), from 1223 also King of France
1226-1270: Lewis II 'The Saint' (Capet), also King of France
1270-1285: Philip I 'The Bold' (Capet), also King of France
1285-1314: Philip II 'The Iron King' (Capet), also King of France and of Navarre until 1305, and Overlord of Scotland from 1291
1314-1316: Lewis III 'The Stubborn' (Capet), also King of France and Navarre, and Overlord of Scotland
1316-1316: John II 'The Posthumous' (Capet), also King of France and Navarre, and Overlord of Scotland
1316-1322: Philip III 'The Tall' (Capet), also King of France and Navarre, and Overlord of Scotland
1322-1328: Charles 'The Fair' (Capet), also King of France and Navarre, and Overlord of Scotland
1328-1337: Philip IV 'Of Valois' (Valois), also King of France, and Overlord of Scotland
1337-0000: Edward 'Of Windsor' (Windsor), also Overlord of Scotland

i like that ittl there's probably still historians who note the 'Angevin Empire' but that it exists from the reign of Henry II through to the crisis upon Philip IV's accession to the English throne, as the houses of of Capet and Valois were both cadet houses of the house of Anjou.
 

theev

Because of him we have many things like Pizza Hut
Pronouns
he/him
I think the best way to change that would be to have the dems fuck with him in Vermont, not just nationally. As long as his seat as senator isn't threatened, he's not going to rock the boat.
The most that might accomplish though is him just refusing to work with the Democrats (as his willingness to do so came later in the 80s) without a major credible national political alternative
 

Blackentheborg

Dennis Skinner's molotov
Location
Llareggub, Wales
Pronouns
He/Him
1993-1997: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
defeated George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle, Ross Perot/James Stockdale
1997-2005: Alan Keyes/John Danforth
defeated Al Gore/Bill Bradley, Ross Perot/Althea Garrison (United We Stand!)
defeated
Ralph Nader/Mike Gravel
2005-2013: Rudy Giuliani/Tom Coburn

defeated Harry Lee/Joe Biden
defeated
Dennis Kucinich/Kent Conrad
2013-2017: Alan Grayson/Peter Navarro
defeated Joe Arpaio/Lindsey Graham, Jesse Ventura/Gatewood Galbraith (Justice)

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Nelse! Or Else!
1961-1967: John F. Kennedy
1960 def. Barry Goldwater
1964 def. Richard Nixon

1967-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson
1969-1977: Nelson Rockefeller
1968 def. Lyndon B. Johnson, John Ashbrook
1972 def. John Donahey, Michael Harrington, Bull Connor

1977-1981: Chuck Percy
1976 def. Mo Udall
1981 Onwards: Adlai Stevenson III
1980 def. Chuck Percy, Jesse Helms
 

BClick

The Coyote Has Crept into Our Language
Location
Little Beirut
Pronouns
He/him
Governors of Oregon

1915-1919: James Withycombe (Republican)
1919-1923: Ben W. Olcott (Republican)
1923-1925: Walter M. Pierce (Democratic)

1922 def. Charles Hall (Republican)
1924 recall election:
YES, 54.3%
1925-1927: Sam A. Kozer (Republican)
1927-1931: Kaspar K. Kubli (Republican)

1926 def. Ben W. Olcott (Independent), Walter M. Pierce (Democratic)
1931-1933: William Hanley (Progressive) †
1930 def. Kaspar K. Kubli (Republican), Elton Watkins (Democratic)
1933-1934: Julius Meier (Progressive)
1934: Gen. Charles Martin (Citizens Emergency League)

1934-0000: Julius Meier (Democratic)

1934 def. Ulysses G. McAlexander (Republican), Springfield Rodman (Communist)

It is our fervent hope that the intervention in Oregon will be the last such measure necessary in President Smith's campaign against the hooded hobgoblins of hatred; after all, let us recall that the insurrectionists did not spring autochthonous from the bloody waterfront but are the heirs to our state's unfortunate recent tradition of secret societies and backwoods occultism. Those sophisticates who laughed when the Ku Kluxers installed their absurdly-named Swiss in the governor's mansion may be regretting their mirth now that they understand what "K. K. K." and his "kronies" accomplished: masking violence with patriotism, and dragging democracy into such pig-wallow disrepute that our leading citizens - newspaper publishers, industrialists, war heroes - tripped over each other in eagerness to sign on to a pronunciamiento of a kind entirely foreign to these shores, simply at the appearance of a Jewish politician taking up office. (We trust that our readers were not hoodwinked by Martin and company's profession of anti-Communist motives, knowing that Julius Meier has been as firm a foe of the Harry Bridges gang as any leader in the West.)

While it may yet be too much to hope that the white wizards will be driven from their native Southern swamps, the crushing of the Failing Conspiracy ought to put an end to the infestation north of the Mason-Dixon line. The sorry faces of the Portland elites in the dock - too few, of course, but perhaps enough - should give pause to their fellow grandees in Indiana and Michigan who have turned the keys to their capitols over to this depraved pagan cult. Three cheers for General MacArthur and Director Hoover, we say - it is about time Old Glory was snatched back from those who profane her with their murderous mummery.


The Oregon KKK came very close to running the state in the early 1920s, boasting many members in the legislature - including the Speaker of the House, the synchronicitously named Kaspar K. Kubli - and helping elect Walter M. Pierce as governor in 1922. However, they kind of became victims of their own success. Their signature legislation, a ban on private elementary education targeting Catholic and Jewish schools, was struck down in a landmark Supreme Court case. Furthermore, their ally Pierce was an incompetent, which tainted the brand - as did the Klan's involvement in municipal corruption scandals in Portland. The state branch vanished pretty quickly after that.

Here, the KKK succeeds in their original 1922 plan, successfully primarying anti-Klan incumbent Ben Olcott in the Republican primary. Pierce, a political opportunist, ignores the "school question" and plays the moderate. While he wins, he turns out to be just as incompetent as IOTL and the Klan successfully organizes a recall. Allegations of voter fraud swirl, but now the KKK is in the ascendant and has the political scene cowed. In 1926 they take the governorship outright, and proceed to establish a stranglehold on both political parties while perpetrating all the usual despicable shit you can expect from the Second Klan.

Most voters don't care about the racism, of course, but they do care about the graft, which is ridiculous even by Roaring Twenties standards. And even if the DC Stephenson case is butterflied, there's bound to be some other gross scandal that turns mainstream white America against the Klan. So in 1930 the eccentric, liberal-minded cattle king Bill Hanley sweeps in from Harney County to clean things up. Hanley's not in the greatest health, though, and he dies while still rooting out white hoods in the civil service. Of course, this just so happens to be as the big waterfront labor disputes are heating up, and Hanley's Secretary of State and constitutional successor just so happens to be the good-government Jewish department store owner, Julius Meier. An establishment scared of communists realizes that they've got an army of willing foot soldiers in all these recently fired Klansmen, and General Iron Pants decides he wants to stage a March on Salem.

This isn't Wilmington in 1898, though, and the feds intervene right quick, arresting those too stupid to keep their noses clean. I imagine the little in-character blurb being written by a newspaper editor desperately hoping the BOI doesn't notice how many times his name appears in Henry Failing Cabell and Charles Martin's conspiratorial correspondence.
 
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Mumby

Always mysterious!
Published by SLP
Location
Municipal Commune of Bourne
Pronouns
He/Him
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1897-1901: William McKinley (Republican)
1896 (with Garret Hobart) def. Grover Cleveland (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs (Peoples', Silverite & Socialist Labor)
1901-1917: Eugene V. Debs (Peoples', Silverite, Democratic & Social Democrat)
1900 (with Charles A. Towne) def. George Dewey (Democratic), William McKinley (Republican)
1904 (with William Randolph Hearst) def. Charles W. Fairbanks [replacing Mark Hanna] (Republican), Nelson A. Miles (National)
1908 (with William Randolph Hearst) def. Elihu Root (National-Republican), Thomas E. Watson ('Know Nothing')
1912 (with Bill Haywood) def. George Earle Chamberlain [replacing Eugene Foss] (National-Republican)

1917-1921: Theodore Roosevelt (National-Republican)
1916 (with Henry Ford) def. Bill Haywood (Social Democrat)
1921-1925: Eugene V. Debs (Social Democrat)
1920 (with Max S. Hayes) def. Theodore Roosevelt (National-Republican), Henry Ford (Young America)

This is really more of a thought experiment than anything serious, 'wi debs won every presidential election he ran for'.

the POD is Debs gets the Populist nomination and ASBs intervene to ensure that means electoral votes etc. The Depression of 1893 stretches out even longer and deeper and the Democrats wallow in Imperialism along with the Republicans, allowing Debs to clean up in 1900.

In 1904, Debs wins the Democratic nomination, and the allegiance of the Hearst media empire. A reactionary rump of the Democrats helmed by a mostly figurehead Miles craters, while the Republicans snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by having a nomination crisis and a very conservative ticket. By 1908, a certain faction of the Populists gets frustrated by how un-nativist Debs is and cleaves off - but this is a much closer election in general as the American political system realigns. In 1912 the Debs coalition of parties formalises into the Social Democrats and once again the National-Republicans fire a gun into their toes by nominating a reactionary nutter who gets junked because of how powerful unions have gotten after 11 years of Debs.

Debs retires in 1916, and the National-Republicans finally get into power, just in time for the death of Franz Joseph of Austria and the ensuing crisis with the accession of Franz Ferdinand and the start of the Hapsburg Civil War. It's expansion into a Europe wide conflict in 1917 sees Roosevelt drag the United States kicking and screaming into a war it's wildly unprepared for and the governing party undergoes a split between its interventionist Imperialist wing and its isolationist Technocratic wing. Roosevelt comes down hard on pacifist protestors and there are fears that what comes next is an American dictatorship. But in 1920, with war still raging in Europe and a generation of young Americans cut down in their prime, the grand old man of social democracy returns to lead America from a jail cell.
 
This concept has probably been done before but I’ve never seen it.

In The Court of Public Opinion
1909-1917: William Howard Taft
1917-1921: Charles Evans Hughes
1921-1929: John Hessin Clarke
1929-1933: Edward Terry Sanford
1933-1941: Hugo Black
1941-1949: Sherman Minton
1949-1957: Earl Warren
1957-1965: Byron White
1965-1969: William Brennan
1969-1977: William Rehnquist
1977-1981: Lewis Powell
1981-1989: John Paul Stevens
1989-1997: Stephen Breyer
1997-2001: Antonin Scalia
2001-2009: Ruth Bader Ginsburg
2009-2017: Anthony Kennedy
2017-2021: Sonia Sotomayor
2021-Present: Neil Gorsuch
 

Nyvis

Token Marxist
Location
Paris
Pronouns
She/Her
View attachment 42668

1897-1901: William McKinley (Republican)
1896 (with Garret Hobart) def. Grover Cleveland (Democratic), Eugene V. Debs (Peoples', Silverite & Socialist Labor)
1901-1917: Eugene V. Debs (Peoples', Silverite, Democratic & Social Democrat)
1900 (with Charles A. Towne) def. George Dewey (Democratic), William McKinley (Republican)
1904 (with William Randolph Hearst) def. Charles W. Fairbanks [replacing Mark Hanna] (Republican), Nelson A. Miles (National)
1908 (with William Randolph Hearst) def. Elihu Root (National-Republican), Thomas E. Watson ('Know Nothing')
1912 (with Bill Haywood) def. George Earle Chamberlain [replacing Eugene Foss] (National-Republican)

1917-1921: Theodore Roosevelt (National-Republican)
1916 (with Henry Ford) def. Bill Haywood (Social Democrat)
1921-1925: Eugene V. Debs (Social Democrat)
1920 (with Max S. Hayes) def. Theodore Roosevelt (National-Republican), Henry Ford (Young America)

This is really more of a thought experiment than anything serious, 'wi debs won every presidential election he ran for'.

the POD is Debs gets the Populist nomination and ASBs intervene to ensure that means electoral votes etc. The Depression of 1893 stretches out even longer and deeper and the Democrats wallow in Imperialism along with the Republicans, allowing Debs to clean up in 1900.

In 1904, Debs wins the Democratic nomination, and the allegiance of the Hearst media empire. A reactionary rump of the Democrats helmed by a mostly figurehead Miles craters, while the Republicans snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by having a nomination crisis and a very conservative ticket. By 1908, a certain faction of the Populists gets frustrated by how un-nativist Debs is and cleaves off - but this is a much closer election in general as the American political system realigns. In 1912 the Debs coalition of parties formalises into the Social Democrats and once again the National-Republicans fire a gun into their toes by nominating a reactionary nutter who gets junked because of how powerful unions have gotten after 11 years of Debs.

Debs retires in 1916, and the National-Republicans finally get into power, just in time for the death of Franz Joseph of Austria and the ensuing crisis with the accession of Franz Ferdinand and the start of the Hapsburg Civil War. It's expansion into a Europe wide conflict in 1917 sees Roosevelt drag the United States kicking and screaming into a war it's wildly unprepared for and the governing party undergoes a split between its interventionist Imperialist wing and its isolationist Technocratic wing. Roosevelt comes down hard on pacifist protestors and there are fears that what comes next is an American dictatorship. But in 1920, with war still raging in Europe and a generation of young Americans cut down in their prime, the grand old man of social democracy returns to lead America from a jail cell.
Would Roosevelt even have the clout to jail Debs? I can imagine the scale of strikes against the war with a developed working class political movement opposed to it.

Anyway, take a like for Debs!
 

Oppo

Erik Ƭ̵̬̊
Pronouns
he/him
what if Sonia Gandhi stayed in her home country and entered Italian politics?

Instead of marrying a Gandhi I had her marry a member of the Cicgona family (who own a major hotel chain, held imperial/fascist offices, and are associated with the Knights of Malta). Let’s say her fictional husband gets kidnapped and murdered by the Red Brigades.

Sonia’s father was a staunch fascist, so I had her enter the MSI. I assume she’d ally with Fini into transforming the party into the National Alliance. In this list, I wanted Sonia to have an ideological shift similar to Fini while being forced to make uncomfortable alliances like Berlusconi. I also wanted to use some of her moves from Indian politics, such as briefly resigning due to corruption charges and using technocrats as puppets.

TTL’s Beppe Grillo analogue is the musician Adriano Celentano. While his party is more analogous to SYRIZA, its form of leftism is rooted in the End of History (such as anti-consumerism).

1994 - 1996: Achille Occhetto (Democratic)
1994 (Alliance of Progressives) def. Mariotto Segni (Pact for Italy), Gianfranco Fini (National Alliance), Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord), Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia-CCD)
1996 - 1999: Walter Veltroni (Democratic)
1999 (Alliance of Progressives) def. Mariotto Segni (The Elephant), Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord)
1999 - 2001: Massimo D'Alema (Democratic leading Alliance of Progressives)
2001 - 2003: Alberto Clò (Independent leading technocratic government)
2004 - 2006: Sonia Cicogna (The Elephant)
2004 (Majority) def. Walter Veltroni (Alliance of Progressives), Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord), Armando Cossutta (PRC)
2006 - 2007: Luigi Mazzella (Independent leading unity government)
2007 - 2013: Sonia Cicogna (The Elephant)
2007 (Majority) def. Livia Turco (Alliance of Progressives), Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord), Oliviero Diliberto (PRC)
2012 (Majority) def. Walter Veltroni (Alliance of Progressives), Adriano Celentano (The Best), Umberto Bossi (Lega Nord)

2013 - 2014: Paolo Savona (Independent coalition with The Elephant & Lega Nord)
2014 - 2017: Stefano Rodotà (Independent - The Best)
2014 (Coalition) def. Raul Cicogna (The Elephant / Lega Nord), Fabio Mussi (Alliance of Progressives)
2017 - 2019: Michele Santoro (The Best coalition with Alliance of Progressives)
2019 - 2021: Giovanni Favia (The Best)
2019 (Reform Alliance with Progressives) def. Gianni Alemanno (The Elephant / Lega Nord)
2021 - 2024: Giuliano Pisapia (The Best coalition with Italian Rose)
2024 - 0000: Sonia Cicogna (The Elephant)
2024 (Majority) def. Virginia Raggi (Popular Contract), Lorenzo Fontana (Lega)
 

Time Enough

"Enthusiastic Cis Male Partner"
Pronouns
He/Him
1945-1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945 (Majority) def: Winston Churchill (Conservative), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1950-1954: Anthony Eden (Conservative, then minority)
1954 (Majority) def: Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davis (Liberal)
1954-: Hugh Champion de Crespigny (Labour)
1954 (Majority) def: Rab Butler replacing Anthony Eden (Conservative), Clement Davis (Liberal), Megan Lloyd-George (Action!)
1959 (Majority) def: Gwylim Lloyd George (New Democratic), Honor Balfour (Action)


In 1945, Hugh Champion de Crespigny, a renowned Air Force Officer and Soldier would compete for the Newark seat in Nottinghamshire and win it narrowly. Despite it all, Crespigny finds himself raising up the ranks of the cabinet helped by his relative youth compared to the rest of the cabinet and his competence. This combined with moves like supporting starving German children and fighting for the former Soldiers in Parliament would lead to him gaining recognition.

Meanwhile Churchill suffers a significant stroke and Eden takes over. Eden’s energetic campaign in 1950 allows the Conservative’s to win a slim majority of 8. Morrison uses the opportunity to try and mount a leadership coup but Attlee and Bevin decide to outmanoeuvre Morrison by pushing for Champion to be there...champion. Morrison loses against Champion who becomes a unity candidate for the Party.

Meanwhile Eden has to deal with the fallout of the Korean War, Early decolonisation and attempts to cut the budget for the NHS. This doesn’t make him particularly popular and he suffers health wise. As Eden comes more and more aloof, Champion becomes this odd man of the people and proclaims that he will ‘finish the job’.

In 1953, the Tories fall in to a minority position and rely on Liberal support. This leads to a split in the Liberals and the formation of the Action Party which enters into a pact with the Labour Party. Eden is forced to call an election in 1954 before immediately collapsing due to stress. The magic circle put Rab Butler awkwardly in the leadership spot guessing that the Tories are bound towards disaster. Whilst Champion speaks about supporting all people, Butler awkwardly wobbles around and tries to deflect blame for any scandals to do with his party.

Champion wins overwhelmingly and a new Social Democratic consensus emerges as Champion unites the Welfare State with the emerging Industrial Democracy.

It’s now 1959, Lloyd-George Jr failed to cut the mustard and Champion has managed to bring about the third Labour Majority. But he’s feeling his age, and the recent death of Home Secretary Oliver Baldwin hasn’t helped matters. Discussions about a successor are occurring with many agreeing that the choice is between the Left Wing firebrand Ernest Millington or Champion’s main young supporter Denis Healey...
 
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