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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

TheHatMan98

Well-known member
German Government of Occupied British Territory (1941-1947)

Monarch of the United Kingdom:
  • Edward VIII (1941-1947) [1]
Prime Minister:
  • David Lloyd George* MP (1941-1945) – Liberal Party [2]
  • Sir Oswald Mosely MP (1945-1947) – BUF
Lord President of the Council:
  • Sir Oswald Mosely MP (1941-1945) – BUF
  • Harold Harmsworth, Viscount Rothermere (1943-1945) – Independent
  • Patrick Boyle, Earl of Glasgow (1945-1947) - BUF
Lord Privy Seal:
  • Harold Harmsworth, Viscount Rothermere (1941-1947) – Independent
Leader of the House of Lords:
  • Edward Wood, The Viscount Halifax* (1941-1943) – Conservative Party [3]
  • Harold Harmsworth, Viscount Rothermere (1943-1945) – Independent
  • Patrick Boyle, Earl of Glasgow (1945-1947) - BUF
Leader of the House of Commons:
  • Sir Oswald Mosely MP (1941-1947) - BUF
Chancellor of the Exchequer:
  • Montagu Norman (1941-1945) - Independent
  • Alexander Raven Thomson (1945-1947) – BUF
Foreign Secretary:
  • Edward Wood, The Viscount Halifax* (1941-1943) – Conservative Party [3]
  • Harold Nicolson* MP (1943-1945) – National Labour [4]
  • John Beckett MP (1945-1947) – BUF
Home Secretary:
  • William Joyce (1941-1947) - BUF
Reichscommissar:
  • Ernst Wilhelm Bohle (1941-1947)
First Lord of the Admiralty:
  • Rear Admiral Murray Sueter MP (1941-1944) - Independent [5]
Minister of Defence:
  • Major-General J.F.C. Fuller (1941-1943) - BUF
  • Sir Oswald Mosely MP (1943-1947) - BUF
First Sea Lord:
  • Admiral Barry Domvile (1941-1947) - BUF
Commander-in-Chief German force, Great Britain
  • Leo Geyr von Schweppenburg (1941-1945) [6]
  • Gerd von Rundstedt (1945-1947)
SS Commandant, Great Britain
  • Franz Six* (1941-1943) [7]
  • Walter Schellenberg (1943-1947)
Minister of Labour:
  • Mary Sophia Allen (1941-1947) - BUF
Minister of Supply:
  • William Morris, Viscount Nuffield (1941-1944) - Independent [8]
  • John Beckett (1944-1947) – BUF
Minister of Production:
  • Archibald Ramsay (1941-1947) – Conservative Party
Cheif of the Imperial General Staff:
  • Lieutenant-General Arthur Percival (1941-1943) [9]
  • Field Marshal J.F.C. Fuller (1943-1947) - BUF
[1] In name only by order of Adolf Hitler, Edward never acknowldeged his second reign and made no attempt to return to Britain. The legitiment government would remove him from his governorship of the Bahamas to Vancouver for his "protection".

[2] Died slightly earlier than OTL, effectively puppet of Germans and BUF who vetted all his decsions and appoinments. Repeatedly considered for removal by German authorities, but political considerations of the Reich kept him in place.

[3] Assassinated by British Auxillary Michael Foot, while visiting the German HQ at Blenhiem Palace. Sevre blow to the legitmacy of the Occupation Government, and failure to capture the assassin undermined German claims of peaceful occupation and Britons demanded of Peace inspite of Exile government in Belfast.

[4] Discovered by Gestapo and SS to be resistance member, passing information to the Allies and active Auxillaries. He would imprisoned and shot at the Tower of London.

[5] Removed from office by SS with Mosley approval over doubts of his loyalty inlight of the Domesday landings and to strengthen BUF supremacy.

[6] Fired by Hitler for being "too soft" in the occupation and his failure to stop Allied landings in Operation Domesday

[7] Assassinated by Peter Fleming and 'Mad Mike' Calvert in the same raid on Blenhiem Palace that killed Halifax. The specifics of which man killed him are disputed as Fleming sprayed the car he was escaping in with a Sten gun, while Calvert threw the grenade that blew the car up before it crashed.

[8] Removed in a dispute with Schweppenburg of British failure to adiquatley provide the German army in its preperation for the Allied invasion. Nuffield prioritiesed British troops, whom the Germans had doubts to their loyalty and General Fuller had personal doubts over the numbers he could muster and maintain.

[9] Percival had been the highest ranking officer caputered by the Germans, and his release was quickly negotiated by the occupation government and accepted a request to revive the British Army from POWs and pro-German volunteers. After the Belhiem Raid he was fired by the government after the slow reaction of British units in the area, and when the SD discovered how many complicit officers there were in his Command he was imprsioned in the Tower of London. Fuller and the Germans would later conduct a purge of British forces and require tests of loyalty, both of which contributed to the poor performance of Axis-aligned units in during and after Domesday.
 

TheNixonator

Unironic Georgist
1861-1862: Jefferson Davis (Nonpartisan) [Provisional]
1862-1868: Jefferson Davis (Nonpartisan)
1861 (with Alexander Stephens) def. scattered opposition
1868-1874: Alexander Stephens (Southern Rights)
1867 (with Thomas Bragg) def. Robert Toombs (Whig)
1874-1880: Thomas Bragg (Southern Rights)
1873 (with Isham G. Harris) def. Joseph E. Brown (Whig)
1880-1886: Lucius Lamar (Southern Rights)
1879 (with John H. Reagan) def. Robert M. Patton (Whig)
1886-1892: James Longstreet (Whig)
1885 (with Zebulon Vance) def. Judah P. Benjamin (Southern Rights)
1892-1898: Wade Hampton III (Southern Rights)
1891 (with Pendleton Murrah) def. Thomas H. Watts (Whig)
1898-1904: John Y. Brown (Southern Rights)
1897 (with Joseph Wheeler) def. John Brown Gordon (Whig)
1904-1910: Henry W. Grady (Whig)
1903 (with Jim Hogg) def. Stephen Mallory II (Southern Rights)
1910-1916: Thomas S. Martin (Conservative)
1909 (with John Sewell) def. Jeff Davis (Agrarian Labor)
1916-1922: Jefferson B. Snyder (Conservative)
1915 (with Lee Cruce) def. Benjamin Tillman (Agrarian Labor)
1921-1921: Charles Culberson* (Conservative) [As President-Elect]
1921 (with Locke Craig) def. James K. Vardaman (Agrarian Labor)

1921-1923: Confederate Civil War
Redneck militias def. National Government


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1923-1924: James K. Vardaman** (Agrarian Labor)
Replaced Culberson - 1923 Constitutional Convention held

* Overthrown by Rednecks.
** Presidency abolished.
 
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TheNixonator

Unironic Georgist
1861-1862: Jefferson Davis (Nonpartisan) [Provisional]
1862-1868: Jefferson Davis (Nonpartisan)
1861 (with Alexander Stephens) def. scattered opposition
1868-1874: Alexander Stephens (Southern Rights)
1867 (with Thomas Bragg) def. Robert Toombs (Whig)
1874-1880: Thomas Bragg (Southern Rights)
1873 (with Isham Harris) def. Joseph E. Brown (Whig)
1880-1886: Lucius Lamar (Southern Rights)
1879 (with John H. Reagan) def. Robert M. Patton (Whig)
1886-1892: James Longstreet (Whig)
1885 (with Zebulon Vance) def. Judah P. Benjamin (Southern Rights)
1892-1898: Wade Hampton III (Southern Rights)
1891 (with Pendleton Murrah) def. Thomas H. Watts (Whig)
1898-1904: James Brown Gordon (Southern Rights)
1897 (with Stephen Mallory II) def. Henry DeBardeleben (Whig)
1904-1910: Henry W. Grady (Whig)
1903 (with Jim Hogg) def. Stephen Mallory II (Southern Rights)
1910-1916: Thomas S. Martin (Conservative)
1909 (with John Sewell) def. Jeff Davis (Agrarian Labor)
1916-1922: Jefferson B. Snyder (Conservative)
1915 (with Lee Cruce) def. Benjamin Tillman (Agrarian Labor)
1922-1923: Charles Culbertson* (Conservative)
1921 (with Locke Craig) def. James K. Vardaman (Agrarian Labor)
1923-1930: James K. Vardaman** (Agrarian Labor)
1923 Constitutional Convention held
1930-1931: William Joseph Simmons (Agrarian Labor)
Replaced Vardaman
1931-////: William H. “Alfalfa Bill” Murray (Agrarian Labor)
1931 def. Huey Long (Agrarian Labor), William Joseph Simmons (Agrarian Labor), Ellison D. Smith (Agrarian Labor) and Nicolás Rodríguez Carrasco (Agrarian Labor)

* Overthrown by Rednecks.
** Died of natural causes.
First Party System (1867-1909):
Southern Rights Party: Right-wing, federalism, elitism, expansionism, pro-British sentiment, free trade (faction)
Despite being formed by the supporters of Jefferson Davis (as well as members of the Knights of the Golden Circle), it quickly expanded into a party of the planter elite and military men who wished to stick to the old ways of the South and fight against industrialization.
Whig Party: Center-left to center-right, decentralization, industrialization, modernization, pro-French sentiment, populism (faction)
Founded by those who criticized the Davis administration (such as their surprising lack of support for state's rights), the Whig Party eventually changed their goal into that of bringing about a "New South" through modernization.

Second Party System (1909-1921):
Conservative Party: Center-right to right-wing, conservatism, industrialization, elitism, paternalism, free trade (faction)
Soon after the planter class embraced industrialization, the two main parties of the Confederacy joined together to preserve slavery, trade with their allies, and keeping the poor in their place.
Agrarian Labor: Big-tent (economically left-wing, socially far-right), anti-elitism, populism, agrarianism, white supremacy, white socialism (faction)
Established due to the backlash from the modernization of Dixieland (and the bosses' choice to use slave labor over good ol' white workers), the Agrarian Labor Party was an electoral coalition united against the elite and their slaves comprised of poor farmers, populists, white supremacists, and labor unionists.

Third Party System (1923-):
Agrarian Labor: Big-tent (economically left-wing, socially far-right), authoritarianism, populism, agrarianism, white supremacy, white socialism (faction)
Following the Agrarian Labor Party and their "Redneck" cronies' victory in the Civil War, the new regime took on an increasingly dictatorial (yet still populistic) tone.
 
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Time Enough

"Enthusiastic Cis Male Partner"
Pronouns
He/Him
1978-1981: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)†
1978 (Majority) def: James Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
1981-1984: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1983 (Majority) def: Denis Healey (Labour), David Steel-Roy Jenkins (Liberal-SDP Alliance)
1984-1989: Denis Healey (Labour)
1984 (Coalition with Alliance) def: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), David Steel-Roy Jenkins (Liberal-SDP Alliance)
1989-: Airey Neave (Conservative)
1989 (Majority) def: Denis Healey (Labour), David Penhaligon-Shirley Williams (Alliance), Seamus Lynch (Workers), David Owen (SDP)
1993 (Reform Confidence & Supply) def: Jack Straw (Labour), Paddy Ashdown-Lindsay Granshaw (Alliance), Seamus Lynch-Tilda Swinton (Democratic Left Alliance), David Alton (Reform)


So based upon @Wolfram President Kucinich list I picked through his test thread and found Neave being PM and other bobbins, so here’s a possible list about it.

So Callaghan calls an election in 1978 and loses but not as much as OTL 79. Thatcher is more cautious with the Unions and Monetarism but still similar events to OTL 79-81 occur, Strikes, Unemployment and Race Riots become the mood music of the era. Additionally Neave peruses an aggressive action against the PIRA and IRSP particularly in the wake of Lord Mountbatten death in 79’. Then Thatcher is killed on a Glasgow visit by Adam Busby in a surreal suicide attack, Busby who believed that Thatcher and Neave conspired to crackdown on Scottish Nationalist movements in the wake of the failure of the Devolution referendum and the Group 79’s connection the the PIRA decided to not go with Letter Bombing Campaign and instead with makes a bomb vest.

In the ensuing chaos, Heseltine becomes leader though no one particularly likes him. Heseltine tries to be a Wet Monetarist but still peruses austerity policies and his ‘Inner City Relief’ fund dries up rather quickly. Whilst the Argentines would be scared off from pursuing the Falklands (instead a war between them and Chile would erupt in time) the whole event makes Heseltine seem paranoid not helped by his prancing around the isles wearing a flak jacket. The police cracking heads of peaceful protestors at Greenham Common and continued IRA Bombings made Britian feel miserable in the coming years. Heseltine managed squeak out a slim majority in 1983 thanks to Labour and Alliance battling each other more than Heseltine.

Then the Miners Strike happened. Ian MacGregors plan was still approved and Scragill still peruses striking and flying pickets. But with a weaker government and leader the Tories repeat 74’ again with Heseltine demanding who run Britain. In the end Labour and the Alliance decide that an awkward coalition government is the way to go and so five awkward years of a halfway house between Monetarist Social Democracy and a Keneysian Mixed Market occurs.

Meanwhile continuing with Neave’s policy of Containment, MI5 spends the 80s supporting the Workers Party as a possible ‘non-sectarian fighter’ in the troubles. Flushed with extra cash and arms, the Workers Party and the OIRA pursue aggressive campaigns against there enemies and popular political campaigns (helped by Mr Adams being car bombed) means that the Workers Party becomes one of the major parties of Ireland (especially after Dick Spring loses his seat in 87’ leaving the Irish Labour Party moribund). With De Rossa behind the steering wheel it’s decide that the Workers Party should capitalise on minor breakthroughs in Northern Ireland.

With discontent on the Left over Healey, the Workers party sense an opportunity, fielding candidates in Irish communities across Britain and particularly Scotland where a number of former Scottish Socialist activists join up. As the Alliance breaks up over it’s future with David Owen storming out to do his own Social Democratic Party with Blackjack and Libertarian Workerism and Healey has to deal with another attempted leadership challenge by the Left it’s no surprise that the Tories sweep in.

Airey Neave is the grand old man of British Toryism, despite being in his 70s upon taking power he is as vigorous as ever, his tenure helped by a split Left and most his potential Tory enemies being victims of scandal or dead. Neave though is unable to capitalise on this to the full extent he would like, even as the Kucinich begins to end and the PIRA begin to subside. The economy enters a recession in the aftermath of a Stock Market crash and calls for further European Integration by his cabinet, troubles Neave.

Neave manages to slip into No10 again in 1993, as the Left is split again and David Alton decides the devil he knows is better than a possible ‘Socialist’ cabinet. The Democratic Left chugs on, as the Workers Party becomes the main opposition force in Ireland and MI5 and the Soviets regret protecting there strange little bunch of Irish Marxists who could know hold the keys to power for any future Left Wing Government. Now as 1993 begins to end, Neave is pondering retirement and preparing his potential successor and son in law to the martyr Thatcher, Jonathan Aitken for leadership of the Conservative Party.

What’s the worst that could happen...
 

Time Enough

"Enthusiastic Cis Male Partner"
Pronouns
He/Him
The Workers Party being successful on both sides of the border, despite sounding fucking bonkers seemed doable for a hot second in the Mid 80s as Sinn Fein's Post Hunger Strike popularity flamed out by 83' and the Adam's Squad of Modernisers hadn't got going yet. The main problem for the Northern Irish section of the party was lack of support from Down South and there weird belief in trying to gain support from Protestant Working Class just ended up costing them there Catholic voters.

Also MI5 did have contacts with the party at several points though didn't do anything other than using them to identify prominent Republicans.
 

Thande

Directly Elected Mayor of the Western Hemisphere
Published by SLP
Pondering some more up-to-date analogues for your basic UK-as-US-scenario:

2017-2021: Richard Desmond/Philip Davies (Conservative)
2016 def: Cherie Blair/Andy Burnham (Labour)
2021-????: John Prescott/Priti Patel (Labour)
2020 def: Richard Desmond/Philip Davies (Conservative)

I want to take this further back but I'm stymied by the lack of a convincing Labour Obama analogue, nobody BAME I can think of seems to be of the right age, socio-economic background or have comparable charisma. One could, of course, do the same thing I've done with Patel and imply that some BAME people who are in the Conservatives in OTL might be in Labour in a US-analogous situation (or vice versa depending on context). Thoughts?
 

Time Enough

"Enthusiastic Cis Male Partner"
Pronouns
He/Him
nobody BAME I can think of seems to be of the right age, socio-economic background or have comparable charisma
Claude Moraes? I have no fucking clue. Like Paul Boateng is probably the closest in terms of charisma I guess.

Maybe find barristers who are BAME or something.
 

Thande

Directly Elected Mayor of the Western Hemisphere
Published by SLP
Claude Moraes? I have no fucking clue. Like Paul Boateng is probably the closest in terms of charisma I guess.

Maybe find barristers who are BAME or something.
Paul Boateng is the one usually brought up and feels like the best fit, but I feel like the age difference is too much for Obama's backstory. Though on looking it up, it's less than I thought it was, so maybe.
 

Mumby

Always mysterious!
Published by SLP
Location
Municipal Commune of Bourne
Pronouns
He/Him
1912-1920
Theodore Roosevelt
Progressive
1920- 1928
Eugene Debb
Socialist
1928-1936
Calvin Coolidge
Progressive
Charles Lindbergh
1936-1940
Democratic
H.p. Lovecraft
1940-1952
Progressive
Dwight Eisenhower
Democratic
1952-1964
Barry Goldwater
Progressive
1964-1968
Joe Kennedy jr
Democratic
1968-1972
Richard M.Nixon
Democratic
1972_1984
Gil Peterson
Progressive
1984_1992
I mean no offence, but this is so difficult to read, your formatting is very inconsistent.

Honestly, I tried to make a point by putting into my usual formatting and I think you've got one too many Presidents or something it makes no sense.
 

AlfieJ

left labour poster on here
The American Tendency

"The very idea that domestic British politics might in some way be influenced from outside is anathema: Italy, under the Christian Democrats, well of course; and, yes, probably Japan under the Liberal Democrats. But Britain, the home of the mother of parliaments? Never." - Tom Easton, 'Who Were They Travelling With?', Lobster 31 (June 1996)



1979-1982: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
1982-1984: Willie Whitelaw (Conservative)
1984-1985: Roy Jenkins (Social Democratic)
1984: Michael Foot (Labour), Willie Whitelaw (Conservative), David Penhaligon [replacing David Steel] (Liberal)
1985-1989: Shirley Williams (Social Democratic)
1989-1999: Robert Maclennan (Social Democratic)
1989: Tony Benn (Labour), John Nott (Conservative), Archy Kirkwood (Liberal), Shirley Williams (Independent Fabian)
1993: Terry Fields (Socialist), Graham Bright (Conservative), Archy Kirkwood (Liberal), Austin Mitchell (Labour Representation Committee)
1997: David Davis (Conservative), Tony Banks (Socialist)*, Frank Field (LRC), David Alton (Liberal)

1999-2001: Stephen Haseler (Social Democratic)
2001-2003: Sue Slipman (Social Democratic)
2001: David Davis (Conservative), Robin Ramsay (Socialist), Bob Marshall-Andrews (LRC), Norman Baker (Liberal), David Campbell-Bannerman (Tory)
2003-: David Davis, Robin Ramsay, Bob Marshall-Andrews, Norman Baker [collective leadership] (Democracy)
2003: Sue Slipman (Social Democratic), Bill Jordan (Freedom Group), David Campbell-Bannerman (Tory), Various (Independent Socialist)

*Tony Banks died during the election campaign, reportedly of a heart attack.
 
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Mumby

Always mysterious!
Published by SLP
Location
Municipal Commune of Bourne
Pronouns
He/Him
The American Tendency

"The very idea that domestic British politics might in some way be influenced from outside is anathema: Italy, under the Christian Democrats, well of course; and, yes, probably Japan under the Liberal Democrats. But Britain, the home of the mother of parliaments? Never." - Tom Easton, 'Who Were They Travelling With?', Lobster 31 (June 1996)



1979-1982: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
1982-1984: Willie Whitelaw (Conservative)
1984-1985: Roy Jenkins (Social Democratic)
1984: Michael Foot (Labour), Willie Whitelaw (Conservative), David Penhaligon [replacing David Steel] (Liberal)
1985-1989: Shirley Williams (Social Democratic)
1989-1999: Robert Maclennan (Social Democratic)
1989: Tony Benn (Labour), John Nott (Conservative), Archy Kirkwood (Liberal), Shirley Williams (Independent Fabian)
1993: Terry Fields (Socialist), Graham Bright (Conservative), Archy Kirkwood (Liberal), Austin Mitchell (Labour Representation Committee)
1997: David Davis (Conservative), Tony Banks (Socialist)*, Frank Field (LRC), David Alton (Liberal)

1999-2001: Stephen Haseler (Social Democratic)
2001-2003: Sue Slipman (Social Democratic)
2001: David Davis (Conservative), Robin Ramsay (Socialist), Bob Marshall-Andrews (LRC), Norman Baker (Liberal), David Campbell-Bannerman (Tory)
2003-: David Davis, Robin Ramsay, Bob Marshall-Andrews, Norman Baker [collective leadership] (Democracy)
2003: Sue Slipman (Social Democratic), Bill Jordan (Freedom Group), David Campbell-Bannerman (Tory), Various (Independent Socialist)

*Tony Banks died during the election campaign, reportedly of a heart attack.
horrifying

who is that bill jordan tho
 
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