Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[Oppo]

SCG backed Denis Healey

I will never get tired of hearing about this

Hussein Kamel al-Majid

uhhh how did i not know about this guy

Got to love the West backing Saddam's actual cousin as the hero of liberal democracy

Finally in 2007, a gas explosion at a Russian Gas Works would lead to amongst many other things cause a brief stock market crash.

Rob Flello (Reform)

throwback to when he became a libdem but got immediately disowned by them

 

[Time Enough]

I will never get tired of hearing about this

It’s one of those ‘hahaha, what?!’ things to find out. I could see Denis being up for it, if for shits and giggles if anything.

Got to love the West backing Saddam's actual cousin as the hero of liberal democracy

“C’mon folks, he’s a progressive liberal, he told us about those WMD’s and all that. He definitely isn’t the same corrupt Baathist as Saddam, No...”

To be fair to him, he doesn’t seem as bad as Saddam but like, he was a member of that regime, I doubt he was a cuddly hero of progressive democracy.

throwback to when he became a libdem but got immediately disowned by them

That happens when you don’t support Same Sex marriage and act like a tit.

 

[SoldierOfChrist]

Revolution in the Revolution

Executives of the National Government

1925–1925: Liao Zhongkai (KMT – United Front), provisional
1925–1926: Tan Pingshan / Liao Zhongkai / Dai Jitao (KMT–CPC United Front)
1926–1927: Tan Pingshan / Liao Zhongkai / Xu Chongzhi (KMT–CPC United Front)
1927–1928: Tan Pingshan / Deng Yanda / Wang Jingwei (KMT–CPC United Front)
1928–1930: Li Dazhao / Deng Yanda / Wang Jingwei (KMT–CPC United Front)

Presidents of the Republic of China

1930–1933: Wang Jingwei (KMT – United Front)
1930 def: Li Dazhao (CPC – United Front), Feng Yuxiang (KMT – United Front), Hu Hanmin (KMT), Hong Xiangxi (KMT), Li Lisan (CPC)
1933–1944: Wang Jingwei (KMT)
1937 def: Deng Yanda (KMT – United Front), Zhou Enlai (CPC – United Front)
1944–1972: Zhou Enlai (CPC – United Front)
1944 def: Song Qingling (KMT – United Front), He Yingqin (KMT), Chen Gongbo (KMT)
1951 def: Li Shizeng (KMT), Liang Shuming (Independent)
1958 def: Wang Shijie (KMT), Liang Shuming (Independent)
1965 def: Zheng Yanfen (KMT)
1972–0000: Hu Qiaomu (CPC – United Front)
1972 def: Lin Biao (CPC – United Front), Zhang Xueming (KMT – United Front), Deng Yingchao (CPC – United Front), Teng Jie (KMT)

 

[Blackentheborg]

dumb little format experimentation

 

[Meppo]

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jokes aside, what were your favorite parts of the list?

 

[Comrade Izaac]

jokes aside, what were your favorite parts of the list?

mind if i take on the american side of this list meppo?

 

[Meppo]

mind if i take on the american side of this list meppo?

sure

 

[Sideways]

Maybe Thatcher could have stayed on if scandals hadn't permutated her end years of her leadership, Middle England was happy with her smashing the Miners and New Age Travellers and she very much did, but the deaths (including a pregnant mother)

Imagine a world where the Beanfields had made a difference to voters. Gosh.

I've got to commend you for the number of hipster choices here

 

[Time Enough]

Imagine a world where the Beanfields had made a difference to voters. Gosh.

And it would have taken is the death of several people including a pregnant mum. I’m surprised a Worse Beanfield isn’t used more, the ramifications would probably be interesting.

I've got to commend you for the number of hipster choices here

After a number of lists with more normal choices, there is a lot fun to be derived from a hipster list. I have to say, my favourite is probably Ann Clwyd since she never appears much in alternative history but was in the 84-88 Kinnock Shadow Cabinet.

Then there’s also Mark Ashton, who appears once in a blue moon in alternate history despite the fact that his death wasn’t inevitable.

 

[Oppo]

jokes aside, what were your favorite parts of the list?

I really enjoyed the build-up and level of tension that happens at the start, but instead of blowing up catastrophically there’s a happy ending.

 

[Time Enough]

"A vision of you is following me all around":
1979-1986: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1979 (Majority) def: James Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal), William Wolfe (SNP)
1983 (Majority) def: Michael Foot (Labour), Roy Jenkins-David Steel (Liberal-SDP Alliance)
1986-1991: John Moore (Conservative)
1987 (Majority) def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), David Owen-David Steel (Liberal-SDP Alliance)
1991-1998: Ann Clwyd (Labour)
1991 (Coalition with the Dems) def: John Moore (Conservative), Lindsay Granshaw (Democrats), David Owen (Reform), Sara Parkin (Green)
1992 PR Referendum: Yes 38%, No 62%
1993 (Majority) def: Michael Howard (Conservative), Lindsay Granshaw (Democrats)
1995 Maastricht Referendum: Yes 47%, No 53%
1998-2004: Francis Maude (Conservative)
1998 (Majority) def: Ann Clwyd (Labour), Malcolm Bruce (Democrats), Cynog Dafis-Peg Alexander-Mark Ashton (Green Left Alliance), Margaret Ewing (SNP)
2002 (Majority) def: Andrew Smith (Labour), Matthew Taylor (Democrats), Peg Alexander-Lynne Jones (Red & Greens), Margaret Ewing (SNP)
2004-2008: Mark MacGregor (Conservative)
2004 (Coalition with Reform) def: Andrew Smith (Labour), Matthew Taylor (Democrats), Rob Flello (Reform),Peg Alexander-Lynne Jones (Green Left), John Swinney (SNP)
2007 Euro Referendum: For 42%, Against 56%
2008-2014: Peter Hain (Labour)
2008 (Majority) def: Mark MacGregor-Rob Flello (Conservative-'Pro Euro' Reform), Tavish Scott (Democrats), Jeffrey Titford ('Anti Euro' Reform), John Swinney (SNP)
2012 (Majority) def: Alan Howarth replacing Michael Fallon (Conservative), Diana Wallis (Democrats), Mark Ashton-Caroline Lucas (Green Left), Angela Constance (SNP)
2014-2017: Kerry McCarthy (Labour)
2017-: David Gauke (Conservative)
2017 (Majority) def: Kerry McCarthy (Labour), Diana Wallis (Democrats), Mark Ashton-Angela Constance (RISE), Paul Embery (Workers)
2021 (Coalition with Dems) def: Stella Creasy replacing David Prescott (Labour), Julia Goldsworthy (Democrats), Rachel Maskell-Carla Denyer ('Just Transition'-Green Left), Paul Embery (Workers), Dr Bill Wilson-Gray Crosbie (SNP-RISE), Priti Patel (British People's Party)
STV Referendum: Yes 57%, No 43%

And the U.S.A Presidents list for this world, no write up here just the Presidents;

"Little Dark Age":
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1980 (With George H.W.Bush) def: Jimmy Carter (Democrat), John Anderson (Independent)
1984 (With George H.W.Bush) def: Walter Mondale (Democrat)
1989-1997: Pete Du Pont (Republican)
1988 (With Jack Kemp) def: Gary Hart (Democrat), Russell Means (Libertarian)
1992 (With Jack Kemp) def: Mario Cuomo (Democrat), Tom Laughlin (Independent endorsed by Citizens, Greens & Libertarian)
1997-2005: Bob Kerrey (Democratic)
1996 (With Douglas Wilder) def: Jack Kemp (Republican), Ross Perot (Libertarian), John Hagelin (Write In)
2000 (With Douglas Wilder) def: Steve Forbes (Republican), Ross Perot (Libertarian), Dick Lamm (Populist)
2005-2009: John Kaisch (Republican)
2005 (With Bill Janklow) def: John McCain (Democratic), Shelia Wellstone (Citizen's-Green), David Lynch (Libertarian)
2009-2017: Howard Dean (Democratic)
2009 (With Deval Patrick) def: John Kaisch (Republican), Ron Paul (Taxpayers), Jesse Ventura (Libertarian), Jello Biafra (Green-F*ck Kaisch)
2012 (With Deval Patrick) def: Jon Huntsman Jr. (Republican), Tom Tancredo (Taxpayers)
2017-: Deval Patrick (Democratic)
2016 (With Beau Biden) def: Herman Cain (Republican), Richard Spencer (Taxpayers), Lawrence Lessing (Libertarian)
2020 (With Kate Brown) def: Rick Santorum (Republican), Ariel Marcus Rosenberg (Taxpayers), Krist Novoselic (Libertarian), Howie Hawkins (Greens-United Left)

 

[Meppo]

And the U.S.A Presidents list for this world, no write up here just the Presidents;

Doesn't seem so bad at first glance

President Pete du Pont and Vice President Bill Janklow are pretty bad though

 

[Time Enough]

President Pete du Pont and Vice President Bill Janklow are pretty bad though

Oh yeah, I was like 'How could we get 16 years of the Deanites?' and I realised that Du Pont, Kerrey and finally Kaisch would likely cause this.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Doesn't seem so bad at first glance

President Pete du Pont and Vice President Bill Janklow are pretty bad though

What's that bad about Du Pont compared to Reagan and Janklow?

 

[Meppo]

What's that bad about Du Pont compared to Reagan and Janklow?

He proposed phasing out government subsidies for farmers. He said he would wean welfare clients off their benefits and get them into the workforce, even if government had to provide entry level jobs to get them started. He suggested students be subjected to mandatory, random drug tests with those who flunked losing their drivers licenses. (c) Only In Delaware, Celia Cohen

Oh yeah, I was like 'How could we get 16 years of the Deanites?' and I realised that Du Pont, Kerrey and finally Kaisch would likely cause this.

I recall that Howard Dean was considered the most left-wing Democratic candidate once.

 

[Time Enough]

I recall that Howard Dean was considered the most left-wing Democratic candidate once.

I get the sense that becoming the DNC chairman and campaigning for Obama caused him to sand off any possible 'Left' edge of him. Though his policies and stuff for the 2004 campaign seem to be bog-standard Populist stuff and given his admiration for the Lib Dems he would definitely be a Beveridge Group type.

 

[rosa]

And the U.S.A Presidents list for this world, no write up here just the Presidents;

"Little Dark Age":
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1980 (With George H.W.Bush) def: Jimmy Carter (Democrat), John Anderson (Independent)
1984 (With George H.W.Bush) def: Walter Mondale (Democrat)
1989-1997: Pete Du Pont (Republican)
1988 (With Jack Kemp) def: Gary Hart (Democrat), Russell Means (Libertarian)
1992 (With Jack Kemp) def: Mario Cuomo (Democrat), Tom Laughlin (Independent endorsed by Citizens, Greens & Libertarian)
1997-2005: Bob Kerrey (Democratic)
1996 (With Douglas Wilder) def: Jack Kemp (Republican), Ross Perot (Libertarian), John Hagelin (Write In)
2000 (With Douglas Wilder) def: Steve Forbes (Republican), Ross Perot (Libertarian), Dick Lamm (Populist)
2005-2009: John Kaisch (Republican)
2005 (With Bill Janklow) def: John McCain (Democratic), Shelia Wellstone (Citizen's-Green), David Lynch (Libertarian)
2009-2017: Howard Dean (Democratic)
2009 (With Deval Patrick) def: John Kaisch (Republican), Ron Paul (Taxpayers), Jesse Ventura (Libertarian), Jello Biafra (Green-F*ck Kaisch)
2012 (With Deval Patrick) def: Jon Huntsman Jr. (Republican), Tom Tancredo (Taxpayers)
2017-: Deval Patrick (Democratic)
2016 (With Beau Biden) def: Herman Cain (Republican), Richard Spencer (Taxpayers), Lawrence Lessing (Libertarian)
2020 (With Kate Brown) def: Rick Santorum (Republican), Ariel Marcus Rosenberg (Taxpayers), Krist Novoselic (Libertarian), Howie Hawkins (Greens-United Left)

I like this. Sheila Wellstone in this role is fucking inspired

 

[rosa]

I'd love to see the election maps

 

[Time Enough]

I like this. Sheila Wellstone in this role is fucking inspired

I imagined that after McCain wins the nomination (thanks Bob), Paul wanted to do it, but his multiple scrilosis means he can’t, but Sheila (Governor of Minnesota) takes the reigns of a Left coalition and does incredibly well against McCain and gains Minnesota and D.C.

Sadly this means Kaisch and the Republicans get in and things go a bit south.

I'd love to see the election maps

Sadly I can’t do them, but I’m always up to provide ideas.

 

[Kaiser Julius]

Tossing the Canadian Salad

1948-52: Lester B. Pearson (Liberal) - The Protege Promoted Prematurely
1953-57: John Diefenbaker (Progressive Conservative) - Populism, Yeah, Yeah!
1958-62: Louis St. Laurent (Liberal) - An Old Man in a Hurry
1962-70: John Diefenbaker (Progressive Conservative) - Hail to the Dief
1970-80: John Turner (Liberal) - The Golden Boy
1980: Pierre Trudeau (SDP) - "Placeholder"
1980-82: Jean Chretien (Liberal) - The Firebrand who tanked his party's future
1982-93: Joe Clark (Progressive Conservative) - Clarkmania
1992-97: Kim Campbell (Conservative) - The Iron Lady who took a rightward dive off a supermajority
1997-2003: Paul Martin (Liberal-SDP "Alliance") - The Great Unifier
2003-11: Brian Mulroney (Conservative) - The elder statesman who tied his party to Quebec
2011-15: Justin Trudeau (Democrats) - The Straight-Laced Socialist
2015- : Steven Harper (Democrats) - The Popular Populist