I don't know how you can exactly get to there but assuming that, on December 7th 1941 (or whenever butterflies has the US join WW2) the US is under a Republican President whereas the UK is under a Labour PM, then what would've happened? As for the specific politician idk, but let's assume that they are both under the mainstream of their parties in the 1940s. Fwiw I think an easy way to get a Republican in charge of the US in the 1940s is to have FDR choose not to run for a third term, and then having a scandal befall the Democratic Party which has the Republican Party win by a slight amount.
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WW2 under a Republican US President, Labour UK Prime Minister
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Makemakean
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I don't know how you can exactly get to there but assuming that, on December 7th 1941 (or whenever butterflies has the US join WW2) the US is under a Republican President whereas the UK is under a Labour PM, then what would've happened? As for the specific politician idk, but let's assume that they are both under the mainstream of their parties in the 1940s. Fwiw I think an easy way to get a Republican in charge of the US in the 1940s is to have FDR choose not to run for a third term, and then having a scandal befall the Democratic Party which has the Republican Party win by a slight amount.
Hard to tell.
People frequently underestimate just how isolationist America was before Pearl Harbor. Not just the Republicans, but the Democrats too. And not just even the Southern Democrats, but the very Northern liberal Democrats who made up the beating heart of the New Deal coalition.
Like, FDR would make the vaguest of comments in public, hinting about how, you know, maybe what the Germans were doing in Czechoslovakia or what the Japanese were doing in China, that was kind of not nice behaviour, and it would be preferable, friendly even, if the Germans and the Japanese would kindly, respectfully, please, not do stuff like that again, and the press would seize upon it as "FDR, the giant warmonger, the man with a massive hard-on for the idea of you sons dying painfully in trenches in the millions, is needlessly trying to provoke a war with innocent Germany and innocent Japan just so he will be able to come more quickly the next time he jerks off!"
We were damned lucky Franklin D. Roosevelt was President when the chips fell down.
Well when Japan attacks Pearl Harbour/the Philippines and/or when the Germans keep escalating in the Atlantic to the point it can no longer be tolerated that goes away right? It wasn't America that chose to enter the war.Hard to tell.
People frequently underestimate just how isolationist America was before Pearl Harbor. Not just the Republicans, but the Democrats too. And not just even the Southern Democrats, but the very Northern liberal Democrats who made up the beating heart of the New Deal coalition.
Like, FDR would make the vaguest of comments in public, hinting about how, you know, maybe what the Germans were doing in Czechoslovakia or what the Japanese were doing in China, that was kind of not nice behaviour, and it would be preferable, friendly even, if the Germans and the Japanese would kindly, respectfully, please, not do stuff like that again, and the press would seize upon it as "FDR, the giant warmonger, the man with a massive hard-on for the idea of you sons dying painfully in trenches in the millions, is needlessly trying to provoke a war with innocent Germany and innocent Japan just so he will be able to come more quickly the next time he jerks off!"
We were damned lucky Franklin D. Roosevelt was President when the chips fell down.
Makemakean
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Well when Japan attacks Pearl Harbour/the Philippines and/or when the Germans keep escalating in the Atlantic to the point it can no longer be tolerated that goes away right? It wasn't America that chose to enter the war.
Well, no.
But then again, it was also America that elected not to bend over backwards to avoid war, and indeed, there were many quite prominent people who took the view that America was needlessly antagonizing Japan by introducing all these sanctions and maintaining all these bans on trade of war materials. That America should have taken the view that what was going on in East Asia was none of their business, if Japan needed American war materiel and oil and the rest to facilitate the building of the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, then American should consider themselves damned lucky at having such a loyal customer who would allow them to make a big profit, and furthermore, possibly be a bulwark against the Soviets in case they'd ever get any ideas.
It is very easy to imagine an America that is so accommodating towards Japanese imperialism that Pearl Harbor doesn't happen simply because Tokyo has no beef with Washington.