WI: FDR and Stalin swapped death dates?

[TheKennedyMachine]

Both men died of cerebral hemorrhage a few years apart.

What would the world look like if Stalin unexpectedly died in his sleep on April 12, 1945, and FDR lives on until March 5, 1953? This also assumes FDR is healthy enough to complete his final term as President.

 

[TheKennedyMachine]

Damn, all these likes.

And not a single reply.

 

[Ricardolindo]

Both men died of cerebral hemorrhage a few years apart.

What would the world look like if Stalin unexpectedly died in his sleep on April 12, 1945, and FDR lives on until March 5, 1953? This also assumes FDR is healthy enough to complete his final term as President.

There is no way that Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have lived that long.
Anyways, if Stalin died, his successor would probably be Malenkov.

 

[Yokai Man]

Molotov becomes Secretary General and makes the USSR remain Stalinist til his death/removal,leading to an earlier fall of the USSR due to a refusal to do any reforms and massive stagnation. The Korean War also probably doesn’t happen.

FDR living longer most likely leads to Germany being united but forced into being neutral but it’s hard to say. By his own admission he planned to resign after the war was over,let Truman take control and maybe become the first UN Secretary General.

The most this is gonna change is FDR not covering up John Rogge’s discovery about the many Congressmen and Senators in the pay of the Nazis like Truman did.

Episode 8: Ultra Vires

In the wake of the sedition trial’s collapse, Justice Department prosecutor John Rogge travels overseas and uncovers a bombshell.

www.msnbc.com

Harry possibly just serves a single term and Dewey narrowly becomes Prez. FDR is gonna be doing campaigning for the Democrats or being UN Secretary General til he dies in ‘53.

 

[monroe]

By April 12th the war (in Europe) was basically in its final, frenzied heartbeats, with the momentum of well over two million Red Army soldiers about to land onto the defences of Berlin. You will probably see Hitler make some similar calculation as he did with FDR's death- that of course Stalin's death would result in chaos in the Soviet ranks/discord with the Allies, so he should stay least there is some last minute Miracle that saves them. And the result will probably be the same- Hitler making a hole in the roof of his mouth.

USSR goes into a short-term power struggle once Berlin's been crushed, and who knows wins (not inconceivably this is how you actually get a Zhukov-led USSR, given he's basically coming back to Moscow as a colossus astride the earth), and without Stalin's paranoia the Cold War would look very different, if it happens at all; FDR most likely calls it quits once Japan has been dealt with and Rogge's reckoning is unavoidable for Truman, and retires to lead the UN/write memoirs.

 

[TheKennedyMachine]

Who would be FDR's successor in 1948 if he completes his fourth term?

 

[Charles EP M.]

A lesser or delayed Cold War, depending on who replaces Stalin - if I remember right, FDR was happy to allow the USSR a sphere of influence and wanted a world order where the Big Four kept the peace. How long that could last, uh, well if he's alive until 1953 he'd be seeing the wheels come off due to chunks of the world wanting independence.

 

[Roger II]

A lesser or delayed Cold War, depending on who replaces Stalin - if I remember right, FDR was happy to allow the USSR a sphere of influence and wanted a world order where the Big Four kept the peace. How long that could last, uh, well if he's alive until 1953 he'd be seeing the wheels come off due to chunks of the world wanting independence.

I actually think this could be kind of an interesting TL given the Good Neighbor policy and maybe with less cold war paranoia/more emphasis on "big four keeping the peace" he'd have some possible conflict with the traditional colonial powers. Or possibly this is just wishful thinking on my end. But a "Big four+" could be pretty interesting,

 

[TheKennedyMachine]

A lesser or delayed Cold War, depending on who replaces Stalin - if I remember right, FDR was happy to allow the USSR a sphere of influence and wanted a world order where the Big Four kept the peace. How long that could last, uh, well if he's alive until 1953 he'd be seeing the wheels come off due to chunks of the world wanting independence.

That could be a good POD to a three-way Cold War between the United States, The Soviet Union and France/The UK.

 

[Charles EP M.]

France on the UN as the fifth Big Four is from Churchill lobbying, so if FDR goes "no" that's got to have a political impact on France ("we're being left out", "Britain had our back" etc)

 

[Simon]

France on the UN as the fifth Big Four is from Churchill lobbying, so if FDR goes "No" that's got to have a political impact on France ("We're being left out", "Britain had our back" etc.)

If China is a permanent member of the UN Security Council but not France then the French are going to be monumentally angry. Their reaction in part depends on whether they believe that Britain actually lobbied for their inclusion, and did so in good faith, or it's just them being perfidious. Either way de Gaulle would blow a gasket.

I did have a similar idea a while back. When things are getting set up the USSR, US, and UK are the same as in our timeline, but China and France only get permanent member status without vetoes to represent their size but also their performance during the war. It was mainly as a way to expand the Security Council later on.

 

[Luke_Starkiller]

Molotov becomes Secretary General and makes the USSR remain Stalinist til his death/removal,leading to an earlier fall of the USSR due to a refusal to do any reforms and massive stagnation. The Korean War also probably doesn’t happen.

FDR living longer most likely leads to Germany being united but forced into being neutral but it’s hard to say. By his own admission he planned to resign after the war was over,let Truman take control and maybe become the first UN Secretary General.

The most this is gonna change is FDR not covering up John Rogge’s discovery about the many Congressmen and Senators in the pay of the Nazis like Truman did.

Episode 8: Ultra Vires

In the wake of the sedition trial’s collapse, Justice Department prosecutor John Rogge travels overseas and uncovers a bombshell.

www.msnbc.com

Harry possibly just serves a single term and Dewey narrowly becomes Prez. FDR is gonna be doing campaigning for the Democrats or being UN Secretary General til he dies in ‘53.

Holy fuck, I had no idea about the Rogge stuff