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Luke_Starkiller
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Is Keito Nimoda named after the asian stereotype fish people from Star Wars?
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Yeah, My Hero Academia (one of the two shows I'm drawing from here, and the one that takes place in the future of this list) has a whole thing about Star Wars references--normally it names places after Star Wars planets, but the full version (coming soonTM) was going to mention the HPSC's headquarters as being officially named Keito Nimoda Plaza.
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43. 2001-2009: Al Gore (Democratic)
Vice President: Jeanne Shaheen
def. 2000: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican); Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green)
def. 2004: Rudy Giuliani / Fred Thompson (Republican); Pat Buchanan / Chuck Baldwin (Constitution)
44. 2009-2013: George Allen (Republican)
Vice President: Mike DeWine
def. 2008: Jeanne Shaheen / Evan Bayh (Democratic)
45. 2013-2017: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
Vice President: Bill Richardson
def. 2012: George Allen / Mike DeWine (Republican)
46. 2017-2025: Mike DeWine (Republican)
Vice President: Raul Labrador
def. 2016: Hillary Clinton / Gary Locke (Democratic)
def. 2020: Russ Feingold / Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)
Gore wins re-election in 2004, as the war in Afghanistan/manhunt for Bin Laden is still relatively popular and his opponent's campaign is poorly ran. America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani comes from behind to beat front-runner John McCain for the nomination (following some rumors that McCain was in some sort of relationship with a Russian lobbyist). However, Rudy's eccentricities weigh him down. His "deviancy" (the Trump motorboating video), erratic behavior, and pro-choice history lead to low conservative voter turnout. These factors prompted Buchanan's third party run, but accusations of his campaign splitting the vote are frequently exaggerated. Rather, Gore's decisive victory is attributed more to his opponent's foibles and his own steely calm in the face of an environment of fear.
Of course, catching Bin Laden wouldn't be the end of the war in Afghanistan. Holbrooke's attempts to get Gore to do some light nation-building largely fell on deaf ears, but the "cleanup" dragged out into the next election season at the cost of more American soldiers coming home in pine boxes.
The Allen campaign has largely been seen as a course correction from the Giuliani campaign- gone was the East Coast moderatism; in its place was full-throated southern conservatism. Senator, later President Allen was football royalty and aimed to become political royalty. However, his fiscally-conservative responses to the popping of the housing bubble in early 2009 thwarted any chances of that happening.
He was replaced by President Clinton, Second of Her Name. She led the economy back from the brink of depression, but a combination of her incredible unpopularity with half the country and her Vice President's indictment on racketeering charges (certainly easier to prove than the sex trafficking ones!) compounded the longstanding miasma of corruption that dogged the forty-fifth president at every turn.
After four years of classic Clintonite drama and four years before that of Allen trying to pray the recession away, America wanted someone competent, and by that, they meant someone boring. The Republicans and later the country turned to the individual least tainted by the Allen presidency- the nebbish, moderate son of Ohio.
President DeWine might wear glasses, but he sure has vision!
Vice President: Jeanne Shaheen
def. 2000: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican); Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green)
def. 2004: Rudy Giuliani / Fred Thompson (Republican); Pat Buchanan / Chuck Baldwin (Constitution)
44. 2009-2013: George Allen (Republican)
Vice President: Mike DeWine
def. 2008: Jeanne Shaheen / Evan Bayh (Democratic)
45. 2013-2017: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
Vice President: Bill Richardson
def. 2012: George Allen / Mike DeWine (Republican)
46. 2017-2025: Mike DeWine (Republican)
Vice President: Raul Labrador
def. 2016: Hillary Clinton / Gary Locke (Democratic)
def. 2020: Russ Feingold / Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)
Gore wins re-election in 2004, as the war in Afghanistan/manhunt for Bin Laden is still relatively popular and his opponent's campaign is poorly ran. America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani comes from behind to beat front-runner John McCain for the nomination (following some rumors that McCain was in some sort of relationship with a Russian lobbyist). However, Rudy's eccentricities weigh him down. His "deviancy" (the Trump motorboating video), erratic behavior, and pro-choice history lead to low conservative voter turnout. These factors prompted Buchanan's third party run, but accusations of his campaign splitting the vote are frequently exaggerated. Rather, Gore's decisive victory is attributed more to his opponent's foibles and his own steely calm in the face of an environment of fear.
Of course, catching Bin Laden wouldn't be the end of the war in Afghanistan. Holbrooke's attempts to get Gore to do some light nation-building largely fell on deaf ears, but the "cleanup" dragged out into the next election season at the cost of more American soldiers coming home in pine boxes.
The Allen campaign has largely been seen as a course correction from the Giuliani campaign- gone was the East Coast moderatism; in its place was full-throated southern conservatism. Senator, later President Allen was football royalty and aimed to become political royalty. However, his fiscally-conservative responses to the popping of the housing bubble in early 2009 thwarted any chances of that happening.
He was replaced by President Clinton, Second of Her Name. She led the economy back from the brink of depression, but a combination of her incredible unpopularity with half the country and her Vice President's indictment on racketeering charges (certainly easier to prove than the sex trafficking ones!) compounded the longstanding miasma of corruption that dogged the forty-fifth president at every turn.
After four years of classic Clintonite drama and four years before that of Allen trying to pray the recession away, America wanted someone competent, and by that, they meant someone boring. The Republicans and later the country turned to the individual least tainted by the Allen presidency- the nebbish, moderate son of Ohio.
President DeWine might wear glasses, but he sure has vision!
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1927 - 1933: Douglas Hogg (Conservative)
1929 (‘Anti-Socialist Pact’) def. Arthur Henderson (Labour), Walter Runciman (Liberal), Clement Edwards (National Democratic), A. J. Campbell (Communist)
1933 - 1935: Arthur Henderson (Labour)†
1933 (Majority) def. Douglas Hogg (Anti Socialist Pact - Conservative, Liberal, National Democratic), J. R. Campbell (Communist), Samuel Rosbotham (Country)
1935 - 1941: Jack Lawson (Labour)
1936 (Majority) def. Samuel Hoare (Union), H. J. Massingham (Country), Arthur Horner (Communist)
1941 - 1943: Duff Cooper (Union)
1941 (Majority) def. Jack Lawson (Labour), H. J. Massingham (Country), Arthur Horner (Communist)
1943 - 1944: Duff Cooper (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1944 - 1947: Archibald Sinclair (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1947 - : Anthony Eden (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1947 - 1954: Anthony Eden (Union)
1947 (Majority) def. Charles Latham (Labour), H. J. Massingham (Country), Wal Hannington (Communist)
1952 (Majority) def. Charles Latham (Labour), Reginald Dorman Smith (Country), Wal Hannington (Communist)
1954 - 1957: Gwylim Lloyd George (Union Majority)
1957 - : Oliver Baldwin (Labour)
1957 (Majority) def. Gwylim Lloyd George (Union), Harold Macmillan (Centre), Wal Hannington (Communist), Reginald Dorman Smith (Country)
In the aftermath of the 1917 Peace Accords, in which the mighty Empires of Britain, France and Germany having bled themselves dry decided to enter a peace that no one liked, British politics would slowly see a shift away from the Tory - Liberal split. This would take affect in earnest till the late 20s though, as Labour in the aftermath of the Strike waves of 1923, 25 and 27 would see itself become the main party of opposition during the end of the decade.
The once mighty Liberals, and there erstwhile National Democratic allies, horrified at the prospect of radical Socialist government and slowly convinced by the actions of Austen Chamberlain and Douglas Hogg would decide to enter into an Anti-Socialist Pact. This pact would form the basis for the Centre-Right, Liberal Conservative Union party. The political party of the establishment, capital and business against the seemingly hostile Labour Party.
The crux of the modern Labour Party, lay not with there long time moderate leader Arthur Henderson but with his successor. Henderson whose age was increasingly capturing up with him, proofed often unable to commit to much campaigning. Increasing the campaigning became the matter of the Shadow Cabinet, with figures like A. V. Alexander, Clement Attlee and Jack Lawson making names for themselves as potential candidates of note.
Jack Lawson, a former trade unionist would be one of the many Soldier Socialists who had become prominent Labour politicians in the aftermath of the First Great War. Lawson with his political connections, amicable nature and being a prominent figure within the Cabinet due to being the Foreign Secretary.
Lawson initially proposed a radical overhaul to Britain. Nationalisations of various industries, devolution of powers like healthcare towards powerful Labour based councils and full employment would be the battle cry of the 1936 election. Lawson would accomplish this, but rapidly the government ran out of steam, the Communists were able to make hay out the government’s stubborn refusal to go beyond Fabian Socialism.
Figures within the party, particularly on the Left were disappointed but saw potential. Parliamentary Socialism was feasible, it just needed a committed and radical leader.
The Union Party’s domination of the 40s came due to a multitude of reasons, the Kaiserreich had become increasingly hostile in the wake of the ‘Black Front’ coup of 36’ as Kurt von Schleicher and his allies sought to vanquish the twin threats of France and the Soviet Union. Duff Cooper, who was firmly against standing back and letting Germany run a mock, used the stronger state left by Lawson to ensure the rapidly rearmament and strengthening of Britain.
The Second Great War was a bloody affair, the disastrous battles of Hong Kong and Leiden would see Cooper resign to be taken over by Archibald Sinclair. Sinclair proved capable and affable, his relationship with comrade Kirov would prove instrumental in strengthening Soviet and British relations and ensure the ‘Grand Alliance’ would come to fruition.
Meanwhile a French-Japanese-British project would be gaining steam and funding, the potential for it to win the War being a game changer for mankind.
By 47’, Sinclair was tired and his health was declining, though the War was winding down, as the forces of the ‘Stahlhelm’ collapsed against the Alliance forces, Sinclair saw it continuing for longer. He would resign and be replaced by his erstwhile compatriot, Anthony Eden.
Eden would be the man who authorised the Sun blossoming over Nuremberg, Frankfurt and over Beijing as the atomic bomb destroyed any further possible resistance that the ‘Stahlhelm’ could muster. In the wake of this rapid victory, Eden would call an election.
Noel Skelton would be one of the main architects of the Post War reconstruction and his plan for the revival of Britain would be popular to the British public. Eden would preside over the rebuilding of Britain and would remain one of Britain’s most popular Prime Ministers as a result.
But overseas things were different, the Empire despite British efforts was beginning to unravel. Stubborn attempts to ensure continued domination went nowhere as revolutions in the Aden and Malay proved.
To compound matters, the sleeping giant of America was beginning to wake, ‘Vandenberg Policy’ of increasing interventionist nature would begin to scare Britain and France.
The West Indies Standoff of 1953 would nearly lead to an international incident, as American troops invaded the West Indies Federation in the wake of Leftist election victories. Whilst America would be forced to back off, it became apparent that Britain was no longer the grand figure it was once considered itself.
Eden would resign not long after, he had won two elections and following the death of his old colleague Skelton, Eden thought it apt to step down and let a new face takeover.
But the Union Party was concerned by the high deficits that the government was reaching, its City of London allies were also concerned particularly after the West Indies standoff nearly lead to a run on the pound. They wanted someone who would balance the books and stop the rabble from continuing to throw their weight around.
Gwylim Lloyd-George’s tenure would see the Union Party shift back to a more Liberal Conservative mindset, overseeing austerity measures to reign in the economy and also deciding to square up to the Trade Unions, who participation into Industrial Democracy with the Government whilst reducing strikes, made the government feel weak.
Naturally this would all come to ahead during the General Strike of 56’, a response to the austerity budget of Lyttelton. Egged on by the Press, the Right Club and the City Markets, Lloyd-George would mobilise the forces of the State to crush the strike.
This went poorly.
Before too long, cities like Manchester, Liverpool and Nottingham were being ran by Strike Committees, the Police would after several days go on strike themselves and the Q Divisions would commit essentially a pogram within London’s East End.
This complete and utter failure would be compounded by Harold Macmillan, the former Secretary of Defence, creating his own political party, decrying the shambles of the Union Party and it’s inability to be a ‘Progressive Conservative’ force.
Gwylim Lloyd-George would go cap in hand to the Trade Unions, and the whole affair nearly lead to a collapse of the pound on the stock exchange.
The Government would try and run out the clock, pray that maybe they could salvage some good will. But as the 1957 election loomed, it became apparent this was unlikely.
Through a strange series of events, Oliver Baldwin, would find himself Prime Minister of an eighty seat Labour Majority, the largest ever seen. Baldwin was on the Left of the party, one of his potential solutions to deal with a recession was to nationalise the banks and he had as a young man, studied Marx. His grand Left Wing Populist vision, of vast nationalisations, of Democratic Socialist reform and of the dismantling of the old forms of establishment control was to the Union party and its backers a vision of the mass rabble finally taking over.
Increasing the sense of unease, was the Local Elections soon after producing multitudes of Labour or Labour - Communist ran Councils across Britain.
To some, Britain was lunging towards Autocratic Socialism, this was a problem that needed to be dealt with.
And so as 1959 dawned, a series of meetings would be held across Britain. They saw the Union Party as a dead horse, the Socialists taking everything they held dear and of the potential of their power being taken away. These meetings were to organise one thing…a coup.
1929 (‘Anti-Socialist Pact’) def. Arthur Henderson (Labour), Walter Runciman (Liberal), Clement Edwards (National Democratic), A. J. Campbell (Communist)
1933 - 1935: Arthur Henderson (Labour)†
1933 (Majority) def. Douglas Hogg (Anti Socialist Pact - Conservative, Liberal, National Democratic), J. R. Campbell (Communist), Samuel Rosbotham (Country)
1935 - 1941: Jack Lawson (Labour)
1936 (Majority) def. Samuel Hoare (Union), H. J. Massingham (Country), Arthur Horner (Communist)
1941 - 1943: Duff Cooper (Union)
1941 (Majority) def. Jack Lawson (Labour), H. J. Massingham (Country), Arthur Horner (Communist)
1943 - 1944: Duff Cooper (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1944 - 1947: Archibald Sinclair (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1947 - : Anthony Eden (Union leading ‘War Government’)
1947 - 1954: Anthony Eden (Union)
1947 (Majority) def. Charles Latham (Labour), H. J. Massingham (Country), Wal Hannington (Communist)
1952 (Majority) def. Charles Latham (Labour), Reginald Dorman Smith (Country), Wal Hannington (Communist)
1954 - 1957: Gwylim Lloyd George (Union Majority)
1957 - : Oliver Baldwin (Labour)
1957 (Majority) def. Gwylim Lloyd George (Union), Harold Macmillan (Centre), Wal Hannington (Communist), Reginald Dorman Smith (Country)
In the aftermath of the 1917 Peace Accords, in which the mighty Empires of Britain, France and Germany having bled themselves dry decided to enter a peace that no one liked, British politics would slowly see a shift away from the Tory - Liberal split. This would take affect in earnest till the late 20s though, as Labour in the aftermath of the Strike waves of 1923, 25 and 27 would see itself become the main party of opposition during the end of the decade.
The once mighty Liberals, and there erstwhile National Democratic allies, horrified at the prospect of radical Socialist government and slowly convinced by the actions of Austen Chamberlain and Douglas Hogg would decide to enter into an Anti-Socialist Pact. This pact would form the basis for the Centre-Right, Liberal Conservative Union party. The political party of the establishment, capital and business against the seemingly hostile Labour Party.
The crux of the modern Labour Party, lay not with there long time moderate leader Arthur Henderson but with his successor. Henderson whose age was increasingly capturing up with him, proofed often unable to commit to much campaigning. Increasing the campaigning became the matter of the Shadow Cabinet, with figures like A. V. Alexander, Clement Attlee and Jack Lawson making names for themselves as potential candidates of note.
Jack Lawson, a former trade unionist would be one of the many Soldier Socialists who had become prominent Labour politicians in the aftermath of the First Great War. Lawson with his political connections, amicable nature and being a prominent figure within the Cabinet due to being the Foreign Secretary.
Lawson initially proposed a radical overhaul to Britain. Nationalisations of various industries, devolution of powers like healthcare towards powerful Labour based councils and full employment would be the battle cry of the 1936 election. Lawson would accomplish this, but rapidly the government ran out of steam, the Communists were able to make hay out the government’s stubborn refusal to go beyond Fabian Socialism.
Figures within the party, particularly on the Left were disappointed but saw potential. Parliamentary Socialism was feasible, it just needed a committed and radical leader.
The Union Party’s domination of the 40s came due to a multitude of reasons, the Kaiserreich had become increasingly hostile in the wake of the ‘Black Front’ coup of 36’ as Kurt von Schleicher and his allies sought to vanquish the twin threats of France and the Soviet Union. Duff Cooper, who was firmly against standing back and letting Germany run a mock, used the stronger state left by Lawson to ensure the rapidly rearmament and strengthening of Britain.
The Second Great War was a bloody affair, the disastrous battles of Hong Kong and Leiden would see Cooper resign to be taken over by Archibald Sinclair. Sinclair proved capable and affable, his relationship with comrade Kirov would prove instrumental in strengthening Soviet and British relations and ensure the ‘Grand Alliance’ would come to fruition.
Meanwhile a French-Japanese-British project would be gaining steam and funding, the potential for it to win the War being a game changer for mankind.
By 47’, Sinclair was tired and his health was declining, though the War was winding down, as the forces of the ‘Stahlhelm’ collapsed against the Alliance forces, Sinclair saw it continuing for longer. He would resign and be replaced by his erstwhile compatriot, Anthony Eden.
Eden would be the man who authorised the Sun blossoming over Nuremberg, Frankfurt and over Beijing as the atomic bomb destroyed any further possible resistance that the ‘Stahlhelm’ could muster. In the wake of this rapid victory, Eden would call an election.
Noel Skelton would be one of the main architects of the Post War reconstruction and his plan for the revival of Britain would be popular to the British public. Eden would preside over the rebuilding of Britain and would remain one of Britain’s most popular Prime Ministers as a result.
But overseas things were different, the Empire despite British efforts was beginning to unravel. Stubborn attempts to ensure continued domination went nowhere as revolutions in the Aden and Malay proved.
To compound matters, the sleeping giant of America was beginning to wake, ‘Vandenberg Policy’ of increasing interventionist nature would begin to scare Britain and France.
The West Indies Standoff of 1953 would nearly lead to an international incident, as American troops invaded the West Indies Federation in the wake of Leftist election victories. Whilst America would be forced to back off, it became apparent that Britain was no longer the grand figure it was once considered itself.
Eden would resign not long after, he had won two elections and following the death of his old colleague Skelton, Eden thought it apt to step down and let a new face takeover.
But the Union Party was concerned by the high deficits that the government was reaching, its City of London allies were also concerned particularly after the West Indies standoff nearly lead to a run on the pound. They wanted someone who would balance the books and stop the rabble from continuing to throw their weight around.
Gwylim Lloyd-George’s tenure would see the Union Party shift back to a more Liberal Conservative mindset, overseeing austerity measures to reign in the economy and also deciding to square up to the Trade Unions, who participation into Industrial Democracy with the Government whilst reducing strikes, made the government feel weak.
Naturally this would all come to ahead during the General Strike of 56’, a response to the austerity budget of Lyttelton. Egged on by the Press, the Right Club and the City Markets, Lloyd-George would mobilise the forces of the State to crush the strike.
This went poorly.
Before too long, cities like Manchester, Liverpool and Nottingham were being ran by Strike Committees, the Police would after several days go on strike themselves and the Q Divisions would commit essentially a pogram within London’s East End.
This complete and utter failure would be compounded by Harold Macmillan, the former Secretary of Defence, creating his own political party, decrying the shambles of the Union Party and it’s inability to be a ‘Progressive Conservative’ force.
Gwylim Lloyd-George would go cap in hand to the Trade Unions, and the whole affair nearly lead to a collapse of the pound on the stock exchange.
The Government would try and run out the clock, pray that maybe they could salvage some good will. But as the 1957 election loomed, it became apparent this was unlikely.
Through a strange series of events, Oliver Baldwin, would find himself Prime Minister of an eighty seat Labour Majority, the largest ever seen. Baldwin was on the Left of the party, one of his potential solutions to deal with a recession was to nationalise the banks and he had as a young man, studied Marx. His grand Left Wing Populist vision, of vast nationalisations, of Democratic Socialist reform and of the dismantling of the old forms of establishment control was to the Union party and its backers a vision of the mass rabble finally taking over.
Increasing the sense of unease, was the Local Elections soon after producing multitudes of Labour or Labour - Communist ran Councils across Britain.
To some, Britain was lunging towards Autocratic Socialism, this was a problem that needed to be dealt with.
And so as 1959 dawned, a series of meetings would be held across Britain. They saw the Union Party as a dead horse, the Socialists taking everything they held dear and of the potential of their power being taken away. These meetings were to organise one thing…a coup.
Luke_Starkiller
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I think I was one of the first guys on the other site to post anything about Clinton getting merked by Bin Laden in 1996, so I can claim SOME modicum of originality on Gore TLs.
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Lol, true.
I always felt like the Clinton getting JFK’d in ‘96 was always a more interesting President Gore POD than Gore winning in 2000.
Very nice. Oliver Baldwin rarely figures in UK or Armenian timelines
LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT
Tony Blair (1997-2007)
Gordon Brown (2007-2010)
David Cameron (2010-2016)
Theresa Brasier (2016-2019)
Boris Johnson (2019-2022)
Liz Truss (2022)
Rishi Sunak (2022--)
Cameron famously had helped the Tories win in 1992, but had drifted from the Tory party after feeling unappreciated for his work in "the Brat Pack" of young activists. Tony Blair's New Labour seemed to be running things better than the fag end of Major's time and Cameron became an MP with the zeal of the converted.
In 2010, as a minor minister, he helped convince the Liberal Democrats to go into coalition and drove the Blairite coup to force Brown out. As PM, Cameron pursued policies of social liberalism, fiscal control, and sticking the Lib Dems with everything unpopular - a darling of the Labour right and centre, and wooing the right-leaning papers, he took Labour to a majority.
His fatal mistake was seeing UKIP as a major heartland threat that could only be seen off by calling its bluff on an EU referendum. His other mistake was thinking such a referendum would split the Tories and not split Labour if he lost.
Brasier had a damascene conversion to the centre-left after her first husband (she still uses her maiden name for career reasons) introduced her to the financial sector, and it eventually grated with her quiet faith. She'd been one of the "Blair Babe's" after election in '94 to Barking and became a reliable hand for both Blair and Cameron, famously clashing with the police time and again as Home Secretary.
She was seen as the safe hands needed to get Labour through an unwanted Brexit. Instead, she proved unable to control the party as the disgruntled europhiles and the even more disgruntled left, sensing weakness, blew up. Twenty years of inter-party tension left Brasier reeling and tanked her in the polls; her Brexit plan couldn't gain support from her own party and failed. The Tories, united under Johnson, blamed all crime on her "wishy washy ways".
The 2019 election was meant to be a battle between visions of Brexit, but Johnson made it about who could DO Brexit. The Tories promised to be a dynamic change after the now-stagnant 19 years of Labour.
Sunak was won over by Blair in his youth and the experience of living through the 2007-08 crash as a finance worker pushed him both into politics & further to the left. As a young economic wonk of an MP, he had little prominence outside of readers of his New Statesman and FT articles. Only narrowly being made Chief Secretary to the Treasury gave him the heft to barely win the 2019 leadership election as a fresh face.
His pressure on the Tories to do more generous packages during covid - "with restaurants and pubs insolvent, the government should ensure we can eat out to help out!" - made him a political superstar, but it was still a surprise when he won Truss's early election. Can his glossy sheen help the country get back on track?
Tony Blair (1997-2007)
Gordon Brown (2007-2010)
David Cameron (2010-2016)
Theresa Brasier (2016-2019)
Boris Johnson (2019-2022)
Liz Truss (2022)
Rishi Sunak (2022--)
Cameron famously had helped the Tories win in 1992, but had drifted from the Tory party after feeling unappreciated for his work in "the Brat Pack" of young activists. Tony Blair's New Labour seemed to be running things better than the fag end of Major's time and Cameron became an MP with the zeal of the converted.
In 2010, as a minor minister, he helped convince the Liberal Democrats to go into coalition and drove the Blairite coup to force Brown out. As PM, Cameron pursued policies of social liberalism, fiscal control, and sticking the Lib Dems with everything unpopular - a darling of the Labour right and centre, and wooing the right-leaning papers, he took Labour to a majority.
His fatal mistake was seeing UKIP as a major heartland threat that could only be seen off by calling its bluff on an EU referendum. His other mistake was thinking such a referendum would split the Tories and not split Labour if he lost.
Brasier had a damascene conversion to the centre-left after her first husband (she still uses her maiden name for career reasons) introduced her to the financial sector, and it eventually grated with her quiet faith. She'd been one of the "Blair Babe's" after election in '94 to Barking and became a reliable hand for both Blair and Cameron, famously clashing with the police time and again as Home Secretary.
She was seen as the safe hands needed to get Labour through an unwanted Brexit. Instead, she proved unable to control the party as the disgruntled europhiles and the even more disgruntled left, sensing weakness, blew up. Twenty years of inter-party tension left Brasier reeling and tanked her in the polls; her Brexit plan couldn't gain support from her own party and failed. The Tories, united under Johnson, blamed all crime on her "wishy washy ways".
The 2019 election was meant to be a battle between visions of Brexit, but Johnson made it about who could DO Brexit. The Tories promised to be a dynamic change after the now-stagnant 19 years of Labour.
Sunak was won over by Blair in his youth and the experience of living through the 2007-08 crash as a finance worker pushed him both into politics & further to the left. As a young economic wonk of an MP, he had little prominence outside of readers of his New Statesman and FT articles. Only narrowly being made Chief Secretary to the Treasury gave him the heft to barely win the 2019 leadership election as a fresh face.
His pressure on the Tories to do more generous packages during covid - "with restaurants and pubs insolvent, the government should ensure we can eat out to help out!" - made him a political superstar, but it was still a surprise when he won Truss's early election. Can his glossy sheen help the country get back on track?
CTTeller
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God I really like this. I've always liked in particular the idea of Labour May.
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"After Boris and Liz, we need a safe dull middleground law-and-order man"
Labour May works and this isn't the firs time people do it here, but Labour Sunak is something else. But I guess there's a history of liberal economic reformers from wealthy backgrounds? I guess exposition to capitalism from the inside can give you insights into what it'll take to save it from itself and how unlikely it is for the market to do any of it without making it, even if your class background means you won't move past trying to save it against its will.
He probably gets Corbyn'd and Starmer comes in?
This was the stretchiest stretch I made but it allows Truss to be literally beaten by a left-wing economic establishment
Oh I didn't think about that outburst, yeah that fits very well to fulfill that nonsensical claim!
Beautiful!!!!
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1985-1992: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1985: John Crosbie (Progressive Conservatives), Ed Broadbent (NDP) , Paul Hellyer (CAP)
1992-1999: Lucien Bouchard (Progressive Conservatives, Independent)
1992: Paul Martin (Liberal), Ed Broadbent (NDP), Preston Manning (Reform), Mel Hurtig (Alliance)
1999-2006: Sheila Copps (Liberal)
1999: Joe Clark (Progressive Conservatives), Stockwell Day (Reform), Dave Barrett (NDP)
2006-2009: Mike Duffy (Independent)
2006: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Mike Harris (Progressive Conservative), Grant Hill (Reform), Elizabeth May (Green), Harold A. Rodgers (Kin Canada), Hal Anderson (Independent)
2009-2013: Jean Charest (Progressive Conservative)
2009: Bob Rae (Liberal), Jack Layton (NDP), Jim Prentice (Prairie), Elizabeth May (Green)
2013-2020: Pat Martin (New Democratic Party)
2013: Bernard Lord (Progressive Conservative), Justin Trudeau (Liberal), Elizabeth May (Green), Steven Fletcher (Prairie)
2020-2027: Belinda Stronach (Independent)
2020: Seamus O' Regan (Liberal), Niki Ashton (NDP), Max Bernier (Canadian)
Republican Canada
1985: John Crosbie (Progressive Conservatives), Ed Broadbent (NDP) , Paul Hellyer (CAP)
1992-1999: Lucien Bouchard (Progressive Conservatives, Independent)
1992: Paul Martin (Liberal), Ed Broadbent (NDP), Preston Manning (Reform), Mel Hurtig (Alliance)
1999-2006: Sheila Copps (Liberal)
1999: Joe Clark (Progressive Conservatives), Stockwell Day (Reform), Dave Barrett (NDP)
2006-2009: Mike Duffy (Independent)
2006: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Mike Harris (Progressive Conservative), Grant Hill (Reform), Elizabeth May (Green), Harold A. Rodgers (Kin Canada), Hal Anderson (Independent)
2009-2013: Jean Charest (Progressive Conservative)
2009: Bob Rae (Liberal), Jack Layton (NDP), Jim Prentice (Prairie), Elizabeth May (Green)
2013-2020: Pat Martin (New Democratic Party)
2013: Bernard Lord (Progressive Conservative), Justin Trudeau (Liberal), Elizabeth May (Green), Steven Fletcher (Prairie)
2020-2027: Belinda Stronach (Independent)
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1952 - 1957: Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal)
1952 (Majority) def. Walter Monckton (Progressive Conservative), Willie Gallacher (Social Democratic), Reginald Dorman-Smith (Social Credit)
1957 - 1960: Walter Monckton (Progressive Conservative)
1957 (Majority) def. Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1960 - 1965: David Eccles (Progressive Conservative)
1961 (Majority) def. Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1965 - 1967: Henry Walston (Liberal)†
1965 (Majority) def. David Eccles (Progressive Conservative), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1967 - 1971: Aubrey Jones (Liberal)
1969 (Majority) def. Frederick Corfield (Progressive Conservative), Walter Padley (Social Democratic)
1971 - 1973: Frank Byers (Liberal Majority)
1973 - 1977: Anthony Nutting (Progressive Conservative)
1973 (Majority) def. Frank Byers (Liberal), Alan Horsfall (Social Democratic), Desmond Donnelly (Union)
1977 - 1982: Manuela Sykes (Liberal)
1977 (Majority) def. Anthony Nutting (Progressive Conservative), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic), Desmond Donnelly (Union)
1982 - : Peter Tapsell (Progressive Conservative)
1982 (Majority) def. Manuela Sykes (Liberal), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic)
1986 (Majority) def. Brian Sedgemore (Liberal), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic)
“The domination of Fabian Thought within the Liberal Party can be tracked back to Malcolm MacDonald. Whilst the Liberals had lead Britain through Economic Hardship and the Weltkreig, the immediate Post War aftermath would be dominated by Frederick Marquis Progressive Conservative’s. Following the failure of figures like Geoffrey Mander and Clement Davies to defeat Marquis, the Liberals turned in a strange direction. Malcom MacDonald was a diplomat and civil servant who had made a name for himself forging Britain’s disparate alliances during the Weltkreig and for being the son of the fiery Radical Social Democratic, then Liberal - Labour politician Ramsay MacDonald, Malcolm was always firmly on the Left of his adopted party.
In the wake of the 1949 local election failure, former Liberal leader and Prime Minister William Wedgewood Benn would reach out to Malcolm MacDonald and offered to support him if he were to become leader. After some consideration, Malcolm would accept and would win soon after win a safe Liberal seat of Leith and at the 1950 Liberal Conference be overwhelming elected leader over the smattering of disparate candidates from Left and Right.
MacDonald’s view of Liberalism was steeped in Fabianism but additionally a call for a compelling new modern form of Liberalism. Whilst the old calls for a balance between Business and Labour Interests were there, for MacDonald, a strong Central Technocratic Governed Government could also provide the answer to Britain’s place in the world. MacDonald’s youthful and shiny new Liberalism took many off guard. The Progressive Conservative would hastily jettison the elderly Marquis, for a slightly less elderly statesman in Walter Monckton who promised to govern in a more Progressive and Radical direction.
This didn’t matter, MacDonald’s vision of a Modern Technocratic Society in which Business and Labour would coexist would be popular enough to warrant the Liberals a majority of forty seats. MacDonald with his shiny new cabinet of fresh if experienced faces in the form of Gladwyn Jebb as Foreign Secretary, Selwyn Lloyd as Chancellor and Home Secretary Wilfrid Roberts seemed to offer a bright new perspective to British Governance.
In the end the four and half years that Malcolm MacDonald spent as Prime Minister would end up being seen as ushering in the end of the British Empire amongst Right Wing observers and the beginning of the decline of Britain as a world power…
But for Liberals, MacDonald’s tenure would be about the consolidation of the Liberal Party under a new insidious force; the Bureaucratic State.”
-The Danse Macabre: Fabianism and the Liberal Party, Michael Meadowcroft, 1988
“Aubrey Jones was never meant to be Liberal Leader. Whilst well liked by his colleagues and known to be a committed and passionate advocate of Liberal values, his background and ideological leanings made an awkward figure within the party. The son of a Welsh Miner and Trade Unionist, Jones was often happy to proclaim himself a Radical, A Radical Liberal and in some corners, a Socialist. Jones had been a frustrated and turbulent Junior Minister until Selwyn Lloyd would craft him a new opportunity.
Part of MacDonald’s Modernisation Process included the development of the National Prices and Incomes board, a job that need a passionate supporter of modern economic planning. Jones would leave Parliament and spend Six Years as the Chairman of the Board until Eccles would scrap the Board and replaced it with more diverse set of Ministries. The time on the board, gave Jones a great amount of respect from his Civil Servant colleagues, from Trade Unionists (his push for wage increases in line with Trade Union demands would lead to one of the turbulent rows of the late MacDonald tenure) to Liberal Activists who saw someone who full of something the party was rapidly lacking; ideas.
Jones would be returned back to Parliament in 1961 and hastily find himself a power broker during the 1961 Liberal Leadership Election. Frank Byers seemed like the front runner, but his Economic Austere attitudes and championing of the emerging European Cooperative Community offended the Left and the Free Trade sections of the Party and seemed poised to lead to an unfortunate split within the party.
Jones who initially supported fellow Welsh Radical, Emrys Roberts quickly saw the possibility of a rupture and hastily devised a committee to find a suitable compromise candidate. The so called ‘Three Wise Men’ (Jones, Derek Ezra and Archie MacDonald) would find a suitable figure with Henry Walston. A Land Owner and member of the Cooperative wing of the party, he was also partial towards the Fabianism of MacDonald, Walston was a safe and likeable candidate from which the party could hopefully heal and win the oncoming election.
Walston would narrowly win over Byers, and whilst Byers be given the position of Shadow Foreign Secretary, to the surprise of many, including himself, Jones would find himself Shadow Chancellor. Jones would enthusiastically throw himself into the job at hand, with the Liberal Research Department and the Institute for Radical Reform being worked over night to craft a new modern image for Britain. The ‘Three Wise Men’ would increasingly become prominent within the party as the figures of the Home Front, proposing new radical ideas in which to build a new and great Britain.
Whilst Jones’s ‘The Battle For Growth: The Liberal Five Year Plan’ would lead to much scaremongering and screeching from the Right Wing spectrum of British politics, calling it a ‘Socialistic’ plan which would strip the individual of there basic freedoms, to the general public who had seen nearly a decades work of austerity and deflationary measures, the grand plans of Jones in which he would tackle Poverty seemed appealing.
The Liberal victory on the back of this would see Jones credited as one of the major new Liberal Visionaries, indeed despite a few hiccups, Jones ‘Modernisation’ of the British Economy and his attempts to foster growth seemed to be working. A consumer boom and rising wages seemed to prove that Jones’s Plan was successful, indeed it seemed to be almost be going by the book.
But best laid plans were to rapidly be changed.
Henry Walston and Frank Byers were in the Aden, as part of a summit on establishing positive relations between the Kingdom of Arabia and the Boghdadi Regime in Egypt. As the Summit began, a bomb would go off. Set in place by Militant Iraqi Nationalists, the target was Abdullah I who was seen as being too Pro-British and for silencing Iraqi Dissidents.
Instead they would end killing Walston and injuring Byers.
Britain found itself, abruptly without a leader. And into the breach, despite some doubts on his part, Aubrey Jones, the Welsh Working Class Radical would find himself stepping into No10 and guiding Britain through the rest of the increasingly turbulent Sixties…”
Forward With The People: The Liberal Party during the Sixties and Seventies, Prof. Tony R. Crosland, 1980
“What Is British Liberalism?
No that stuff that Mills pondered, you know the vague idea of Equality and all that, no, no, no. I’m talking about British Liberalism, that constantly shape shifting bulwark of Progressive Values.
If you discussed British Liberalism per say, Fifty Years Ago, you would get the usual tosh of Free Trade and Balanced Budgets mixed in with the other Welsh Wizard, David Lloyd-George conjuring up the idea of a Welfare State.
But now?
Well they’re Pro-European, until they’re not.
They’re Pro-Nationalisation, until they’re not.
They’re a believer in Free Trade, until they’re not.
To be a Liberal these days, seems to be to have no particular set morals or values, other than a loose assortment of ideas which are shredded upon contact with Governance.
No wonder people are turning towards the Social Democrats, sure they consist of stodgy Trade Unionists and men with beards who read Marx but at least they have ideas and try to implement them within there small governing bodies.
One just needs to travel from Liberal dominated Wolverhampton to the Social Democratic Nottingham and you see the difference.
Wolverhampton is the location in which the Mander Family, a collective of business types who politically roost over the city like a fat Liberal Hen. The once grand expansionist plans of the local government have ground down, rents are high, ethnic tensions are rife and many a young person is pondering whether to just leave and find residence elsewhere.
But Nottingham and by extension most of the East Midlands is dominated by the Social Democrats and where it ain’t, is usually where the Radical Liberals still reside. You see in Nottingham my lovely house is rent controlled and I can easily stroll down the local Co-Op ran by a man who puts pictures of Marx out front and by my bottle of milk and come home and run a bath, warmed by the local government ran energy company.
No wonder the Liberals are being ditched for the Tories. Peter Tapsell, pretty promises what the Liberals have, with a side of mouth frothing about hordes of immigrants and a distasteful habit of blaming the decline in living standards as some kind of plot by honest decent folks like myself, who just want to be able to be open about oneself.
My political sympathies should be fairly obvious, and if not, I will admit I was Alan Horsfall Campaign Assistant at one point.
But still, the question of British Liberalism is an apt one. Because there’s a reason why we’re now where we are, under the heel of a bully boy Prime Minister who thinks Europe is the source of the wash of decadence now upon us, and it wasn’t because the Social Democrats gained a few seats.
It’s because British Liberalism, no longer means a fucking thing!”
-A Letter to the Liberal Party, Ray Gosling, 1982.
1952 (Majority) def. Walter Monckton (Progressive Conservative), Willie Gallacher (Social Democratic), Reginald Dorman-Smith (Social Credit)
1957 - 1960: Walter Monckton (Progressive Conservative)
1957 (Majority) def. Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1960 - 1965: David Eccles (Progressive Conservative)
1961 (Majority) def. Malcolm MacDonald (Liberal), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1965 - 1967: Henry Walston (Liberal)†
1965 (Majority) def. David Eccles (Progressive Conservative), Ian Mikardo (Social Democratic)
1967 - 1971: Aubrey Jones (Liberal)
1969 (Majority) def. Frederick Corfield (Progressive Conservative), Walter Padley (Social Democratic)
1971 - 1973: Frank Byers (Liberal Majority)
1973 - 1977: Anthony Nutting (Progressive Conservative)
1973 (Majority) def. Frank Byers (Liberal), Alan Horsfall (Social Democratic), Desmond Donnelly (Union)
1977 - 1982: Manuela Sykes (Liberal)
1977 (Majority) def. Anthony Nutting (Progressive Conservative), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic), Desmond Donnelly (Union)
1982 - : Peter Tapsell (Progressive Conservative)
1982 (Majority) def. Manuela Sykes (Liberal), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic)
1986 (Majority) def. Brian Sedgemore (Liberal), Jimmy Reid (Social Democratic)
“The domination of Fabian Thought within the Liberal Party can be tracked back to Malcolm MacDonald. Whilst the Liberals had lead Britain through Economic Hardship and the Weltkreig, the immediate Post War aftermath would be dominated by Frederick Marquis Progressive Conservative’s. Following the failure of figures like Geoffrey Mander and Clement Davies to defeat Marquis, the Liberals turned in a strange direction. Malcom MacDonald was a diplomat and civil servant who had made a name for himself forging Britain’s disparate alliances during the Weltkreig and for being the son of the fiery Radical Social Democratic, then Liberal - Labour politician Ramsay MacDonald, Malcolm was always firmly on the Left of his adopted party.
In the wake of the 1949 local election failure, former Liberal leader and Prime Minister William Wedgewood Benn would reach out to Malcolm MacDonald and offered to support him if he were to become leader. After some consideration, Malcolm would accept and would win soon after win a safe Liberal seat of Leith and at the 1950 Liberal Conference be overwhelming elected leader over the smattering of disparate candidates from Left and Right.
MacDonald’s view of Liberalism was steeped in Fabianism but additionally a call for a compelling new modern form of Liberalism. Whilst the old calls for a balance between Business and Labour Interests were there, for MacDonald, a strong Central Technocratic Governed Government could also provide the answer to Britain’s place in the world. MacDonald’s youthful and shiny new Liberalism took many off guard. The Progressive Conservative would hastily jettison the elderly Marquis, for a slightly less elderly statesman in Walter Monckton who promised to govern in a more Progressive and Radical direction.
This didn’t matter, MacDonald’s vision of a Modern Technocratic Society in which Business and Labour would coexist would be popular enough to warrant the Liberals a majority of forty seats. MacDonald with his shiny new cabinet of fresh if experienced faces in the form of Gladwyn Jebb as Foreign Secretary, Selwyn Lloyd as Chancellor and Home Secretary Wilfrid Roberts seemed to offer a bright new perspective to British Governance.
In the end the four and half years that Malcolm MacDonald spent as Prime Minister would end up being seen as ushering in the end of the British Empire amongst Right Wing observers and the beginning of the decline of Britain as a world power…
But for Liberals, MacDonald’s tenure would be about the consolidation of the Liberal Party under a new insidious force; the Bureaucratic State.”
-The Danse Macabre: Fabianism and the Liberal Party, Michael Meadowcroft, 1988
“Aubrey Jones was never meant to be Liberal Leader. Whilst well liked by his colleagues and known to be a committed and passionate advocate of Liberal values, his background and ideological leanings made an awkward figure within the party. The son of a Welsh Miner and Trade Unionist, Jones was often happy to proclaim himself a Radical, A Radical Liberal and in some corners, a Socialist. Jones had been a frustrated and turbulent Junior Minister until Selwyn Lloyd would craft him a new opportunity.
Part of MacDonald’s Modernisation Process included the development of the National Prices and Incomes board, a job that need a passionate supporter of modern economic planning. Jones would leave Parliament and spend Six Years as the Chairman of the Board until Eccles would scrap the Board and replaced it with more diverse set of Ministries. The time on the board, gave Jones a great amount of respect from his Civil Servant colleagues, from Trade Unionists (his push for wage increases in line with Trade Union demands would lead to one of the turbulent rows of the late MacDonald tenure) to Liberal Activists who saw someone who full of something the party was rapidly lacking; ideas.
Jones would be returned back to Parliament in 1961 and hastily find himself a power broker during the 1961 Liberal Leadership Election. Frank Byers seemed like the front runner, but his Economic Austere attitudes and championing of the emerging European Cooperative Community offended the Left and the Free Trade sections of the Party and seemed poised to lead to an unfortunate split within the party.
Jones who initially supported fellow Welsh Radical, Emrys Roberts quickly saw the possibility of a rupture and hastily devised a committee to find a suitable compromise candidate. The so called ‘Three Wise Men’ (Jones, Derek Ezra and Archie MacDonald) would find a suitable figure with Henry Walston. A Land Owner and member of the Cooperative wing of the party, he was also partial towards the Fabianism of MacDonald, Walston was a safe and likeable candidate from which the party could hopefully heal and win the oncoming election.
Walston would narrowly win over Byers, and whilst Byers be given the position of Shadow Foreign Secretary, to the surprise of many, including himself, Jones would find himself Shadow Chancellor. Jones would enthusiastically throw himself into the job at hand, with the Liberal Research Department and the Institute for Radical Reform being worked over night to craft a new modern image for Britain. The ‘Three Wise Men’ would increasingly become prominent within the party as the figures of the Home Front, proposing new radical ideas in which to build a new and great Britain.
Whilst Jones’s ‘The Battle For Growth: The Liberal Five Year Plan’ would lead to much scaremongering and screeching from the Right Wing spectrum of British politics, calling it a ‘Socialistic’ plan which would strip the individual of there basic freedoms, to the general public who had seen nearly a decades work of austerity and deflationary measures, the grand plans of Jones in which he would tackle Poverty seemed appealing.
The Liberal victory on the back of this would see Jones credited as one of the major new Liberal Visionaries, indeed despite a few hiccups, Jones ‘Modernisation’ of the British Economy and his attempts to foster growth seemed to be working. A consumer boom and rising wages seemed to prove that Jones’s Plan was successful, indeed it seemed to be almost be going by the book.
But best laid plans were to rapidly be changed.
Henry Walston and Frank Byers were in the Aden, as part of a summit on establishing positive relations between the Kingdom of Arabia and the Boghdadi Regime in Egypt. As the Summit began, a bomb would go off. Set in place by Militant Iraqi Nationalists, the target was Abdullah I who was seen as being too Pro-British and for silencing Iraqi Dissidents.
Instead they would end killing Walston and injuring Byers.
Britain found itself, abruptly without a leader. And into the breach, despite some doubts on his part, Aubrey Jones, the Welsh Working Class Radical would find himself stepping into No10 and guiding Britain through the rest of the increasingly turbulent Sixties…”
Forward With The People: The Liberal Party during the Sixties and Seventies, Prof. Tony R. Crosland, 1980
“What Is British Liberalism?
No that stuff that Mills pondered, you know the vague idea of Equality and all that, no, no, no. I’m talking about British Liberalism, that constantly shape shifting bulwark of Progressive Values.
If you discussed British Liberalism per say, Fifty Years Ago, you would get the usual tosh of Free Trade and Balanced Budgets mixed in with the other Welsh Wizard, David Lloyd-George conjuring up the idea of a Welfare State.
But now?
Well they’re Pro-European, until they’re not.
They’re Pro-Nationalisation, until they’re not.
They’re a believer in Free Trade, until they’re not.
To be a Liberal these days, seems to be to have no particular set morals or values, other than a loose assortment of ideas which are shredded upon contact with Governance.
No wonder people are turning towards the Social Democrats, sure they consist of stodgy Trade Unionists and men with beards who read Marx but at least they have ideas and try to implement them within there small governing bodies.
One just needs to travel from Liberal dominated Wolverhampton to the Social Democratic Nottingham and you see the difference.
Wolverhampton is the location in which the Mander Family, a collective of business types who politically roost over the city like a fat Liberal Hen. The once grand expansionist plans of the local government have ground down, rents are high, ethnic tensions are rife and many a young person is pondering whether to just leave and find residence elsewhere.
But Nottingham and by extension most of the East Midlands is dominated by the Social Democrats and where it ain’t, is usually where the Radical Liberals still reside. You see in Nottingham my lovely house is rent controlled and I can easily stroll down the local Co-Op ran by a man who puts pictures of Marx out front and by my bottle of milk and come home and run a bath, warmed by the local government ran energy company.
No wonder the Liberals are being ditched for the Tories. Peter Tapsell, pretty promises what the Liberals have, with a side of mouth frothing about hordes of immigrants and a distasteful habit of blaming the decline in living standards as some kind of plot by honest decent folks like myself, who just want to be able to be open about oneself.
My political sympathies should be fairly obvious, and if not, I will admit I was Alan Horsfall Campaign Assistant at one point.
But still, the question of British Liberalism is an apt one. Because there’s a reason why we’re now where we are, under the heel of a bully boy Prime Minister who thinks Europe is the source of the wash of decadence now upon us, and it wasn’t because the Social Democrats gained a few seats.
It’s because British Liberalism, no longer means a fucking thing!”
-A Letter to the Liberal Party, Ray Gosling, 1982.