A very interesting scenario. Do you have any lore for this list?
Johnson gets assassinated along with Lincoln, and Grant wins the 1865 special election. Reconstruction is a lot more radical than OTL, though it still ends after O’Brien gets elected as an alt-Tilden. His term doesn’t go very well, and Grant comes back for one last dance. Over the next four decades the Republicans dominate the presidency, and the Gilded Age is a bit more progressive than OTL. The states of Louisiana, Mississippi and North Carolina remain black majority, and are controlled by the black and tan faction. By the 1890s the failing Democrats and the Greens (alt name for the Greenbacks) merge in order to combat Republican supremacy, though never really find succes and the former cannibalize the latter.A very interesting scenario. Do you have any lore for this list?
Thinking of putting together some Electoral College maps for this timeline; does anyone out there have details on the allocated EC votes per state during the period covered, or know where they may be found?Timeline of U.S. Presidential Elections Between "Dixie Curtain" & "Dixie Curtain Sequel"
1964: Republican (i.e. liberal) Joe Kennedy, Jr. & Harold Stassen (Winner) vs. Democrat (i.e. conservative) Gov. Richard Nixon & Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. [1]
1968: Harold Stassen & Edmund Muskie (Winner) vs. Nelson Rockefeller & Gerald Ford [2]
1972: Richard Nixon & Rep. James Rhodes (Winner) vs. Harold Stassen & Edmund Muskie [3]
1976: Richard Nixon & James Rhodes (Winner) vs. Henry M. Jackson & Sargent Shriver
1980: (????) (Winner) vs. Gov. Jerry Brown & Rep. Ted Kennedy [4]
1984: Ronald Reagan & Phil Crane (Winner) vs. Rep. Ted Kennedy & Sen. Gaylord Nelson [5]
1988: Sen. Walter Mondale & (????) (Winner) vs. Ronald Reagan & CT Rep. G.H.W. Bush [6]
[1] The events of "Dixie Curtain", far from undermining JPK's reelection campaign, actually propel him to a larger-than-expected margin of victory, yet a greater number of voters are wary of his and the GOP's agenda in the aftermath.
[2] Stassen wins much more narrowly, with most of his support being based on his tenure as JPK's VP.
[3] The death of GenSec Trotsky in 1969 (age 89), and fears over both the effects of the subsequent leadership turmoil in the USSR and the increasingly stagnating/hardline CSA to the south, severely undermines the GOP all the way to 1972, leading to Nixon's victory that year.
[4] Haven't decided whether to have Nixon run for a third term, or have Reagan win as in OTL, or go with another choice; suggestions welcome!
[5] Reagan's increasingly obvious decline in health and VP Crane's more and more tiresome/overwrought fearmongering over CSA and Soviet threats leads to a severely diminished margin of victory for the Dems.
[6] Crane's fearmongering finally leads to his being dropped from the ticket in favor of Bush, yet Mondale still wins thanks to public weariness with the effectively three-sided Cold War. Still not sure whether to go with Ferraro or another female VP choice; have already decided against Feinstein. Any thoughts?
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?action=evcalcThinking of putting together some Electoral College maps for this timeline; does anyone out there have details on the allocated EC votes per state during the period covered, or know where they may be found?
I see a lot of stuff cribbed from Mumby and TB but I don't see anything from me?Credits to @Japhy and Lacktoastandtolerant from the other place, as I used ideas from both of them when creating this list.
The whole ‘Republican hegemony after Democrats win in 76 and black-and-tans doing better than OTL’ was copped from that one list you made years ago. If I took something from Mumby or TB it was probably unconsciously.I see a lot of stuff cribbed from Mumby and TB but I don't see anything from me?
I literally never posted about Black and Tan Republicans before I've done Republican hegimons before but that is hardly notable.The whole ‘Republican hegemony after Democrats win in 76 and black-and-tans doing better than OTL’ was copped from that one list you made years ago. If I took something from Mumby or TB it was probably unconsciously.
You had a black President in the early 20th century. That’s what I alluded to.I literally never posted about Black and Tan Republicans before I've done Republican hegimons before but that is hardly notable.
Mumby though brought up Black and Tan Republicans a matter of weeks ago and the Greenbacks as Greens thing is a TB invention from the other place.
Much appreciated; thanks!
Decided to run with this "better third party" concept.Forgot I never followed through with this.
Constitution Party presidential tickets
1992: none, endorsed Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent) (0 EV, 18.91% PV)
1996: Pat Buchanan/Ted Gunderson (0 EV, 1.52% PV)
2000: Bob Barr/Will Dannemeyer (3 EV, 6.74% PV)
2004: Sam Brownback/Ellen Craswell (9 EV, 2.75% PV)
2008: none, endorsed Bob Barr/Roy Moore (286 EV, 50.7% PV)
2012: Roy Moore/Tom Tancredo (11 EV, 12.92% PV)
2016: Steve King/Jack Kimball (1 EV, 3.39% PV)
2020: Curtis Yarvin/Brad Parscale (4 EV, 9.1% PV)
Following a much more spectacular and bombastic impeachment trial, the moral majority in the Republican party are up in arms with letting Clinton get away with it. Barr, riding a wave of popularity after serving as House manager of the impeachment, quickly becomes the protest vote for the growing paleoconservative bible thumpers unhappy with the Republican nominee, John McCain, the moderate's moderate. No problem, chuckled the Democrats, they'd just gotten Gore over the line (a small miracle derived from keeping the boss under virtual house arrest), this is all a flash in the pan. Give it a couple of years and they'll be another Ross Perot thing.
Then 9/11 happened.
By the time the issue of changing horses mid-stream was no longer a problem, Barr came roaring back into the limelight, coalescing enough angry, increasingly phobic support to snag the Republican nomination. That should've been enough, but then his VP got ideas; specifically, ideas that Barr had betrayed his third party links that helped him over the hump. People sleeping on the streets due to the Great Recession seemed extremely apathetic to the Vice President deciding to change parties and being kicked off the ticket for renomination, but they had bigger problems to worry about, like figuring out if you could boil shoes or if that was just a cartoon stereotype.
VP Chavez?Cesar Chavez (1 EV, 16.6% PV)
ASS and ASB? Fun fun. I think this is a cool conceptGovernors-Protector of Antarctica
2028-2029 David Attenborough, United Kingdom
In 2028 the position was established under New Antarctic Treaty, as "ceremonial supervisor" of the Director-General of Antarctica (who replaced the Executive Secretary of the old Antarctic Treaty System).
The inaugural holder only served just over a year before his death, aged 103, but Attenborough established the strong activist role that the Governor-Protector would play over the next twenty-fiveyears.
2029-2034 Aleida Guevara, Federal Republic of Araunacia, Patagonia y Fuego
The child of soldiers, a Cuban volunteer and the hero of the Patagonian war of independence, Guevara grew up in guerrilla camps, before travelling to her mother's Cuba to train as a medical doctor. After Patagonian independence she joined the health ministry, and later oversaw the merger of various government entities with their Chilean counterparts, after the war in Araunacia and the foundation of the federal republic. These governance skills were seen as key by the Treaty states after Attenborough's death.
The second Governor-Protector, and first to serve a full term, Guevara oversaw the negotiations leading to the merger of the various national scientific missions into the Antarctic Scientific Service (ASS), as well as the establishment of the Antarctic Security Bureau (ASB), charged with the protection of Antarctica's waters and islands. Strange as it may seem now, it was considered at the time that the ASB was an unrealistic, some said impossible initiative, but Guevara drove the negotiations and supported her mosotho Director-General, Phera Ramoeli, to the hilt and the ASB became a reality.
Guevara declined a second term, due to growing concerns for her health. She spent the latter years of her life at her family farm in Patagonia, where she is remembered for the cultivation of an especially potent strain of medical marijuana, usually smoked as a cigar.
2034-2039 Josina Machel, Rozvi Kingdom
Josina Machel's relationship with the Antarctic began when her father, the guerrilla leader Samora Machel, sent her to Marion Island following the 1974 PIDE raid on Chimoio in the Rozvi Kingdom. Following Portuguese withdrawal, Josina followed her father to Sofala, rather than their homeland of Gaza, which had voted to join South East Africa, rather than the Rozvi Kingdom. A creative communicator of science, Machel was Head of the Rozvi Academy of Sciences in Naletale when the New Antarctic Treaty was signed, and worked closely with Ramoeli in establishing the ASS. When Guevara retired, Machel was nominated by the African Treaty states, alongside Yolarnie Amepou from Papua by the Pacific states. In the final vote, Machel was selected as Governor-Protector and Amepou as Director-General.
Machel took over as the ASB has to take an increasingly strong role in global affairs. Less than a year into the job, Machel had to contend with the assassination of Amepou during a visit to the United States. The Baltimore police insisted that the murderer an Indonesian nationalist radicalized by online climate change denialists and hatred of the Papuan scientist, was a lone assassin, and closed the case with the man's suicide. However the ASB detail did not accept this, and the crisis exploded with the detail (and friendly FBI agent Jess LaCroix) seeking refuge in the Rozvi embassy in Washington DC. Machel flew into Washington with Crown Prince Chengetai and negotiated a resolution of the impasse.
The ASB exposure that Amepou's murder was the project of an Australian mining firm that wished to undermine the New Antarctic Treaty and exploit metals on the white continent was Machel's greatest moment, and the Treaty states supported her ASB expansion into a defence force. However her refusal to replace Amepou, running the Antarctic secretiat herself, denied her a chance at a second term.
2039-2049 Sophie Lewis, Australia / Anzetc
A prominent climate scientist who had won national awards in her youth, Lewis has been leading Australia's climate ministry until her nomination.
The first Governor-Protector to serve two consecutive terms, Lewis benefitted from Machel's initiatives, but did so in concert with the Treaty states. She embraced Machel's ASB expansion and militarization, rapidly removing illegal "freebooter" mining operations, largely from her native Australia, from Antarctica. By the end of her first term, the trust she'd built in the Treaty states not only secured her a second term, but also the formal abolition of the Director-General post that Machel had tried unilaterally.
During her second term, Lewis deployed the ASB to protect Antarctica, but also deployed ASB rescue missions into the Indian Ocean and South Pacific to island nations falling beneath the rising tides.
Playing what was to become an increasingly global role for the Governor-Protector, Lewis agreed to facilitate the Nauru conference that lead to the union of Australia, New Zealand, East Timor and the Circum-pacific islands, formally known as Austral-Pacifica, but informally as ANZetc.
Lewis returned to Canberra after her two terms, and spent her retirement as an informal advisor to the Anzetc governments.
2049-2050 Nate McAfee, USA / Antarctica
The only "native-born" Governor-Protector, McAfee lived the first 3 years of his life at McMurdo Station. After serving 4 years as Director of FEMA in the Hunt administration, he was selected by the Treaty states as Lewis' successor. His term was curtailed when the New York Times exposed he had commissioned the forced shutdown of the last remaining coal-fired power stations in the USA and India by a shadowy hacker collective. He fled Antarctica, and was granted asylum in Bougainville, where he assisted the previously isolationist government with its negotiations to become a Treaty state.
On Bougainville's accession, McAfee's presence became problematic with the government, and he relocated to Iceland, where he was welcomed by the Pirate Party government.
Following his untimely death, McAfee's supporters raised a statue to him at Vostok. It looks out across the icefield of the coldest and remotest place on earth, brandishing a pirate flag.
2050-2054 Josina Machel, Rozvi Kingdom
McAfee had quietly (re)hired Machel as his Deputy for ASB operations, and the Treaty states reconsidered her, given that McAfee made her look diplomatic, and they'd approved under Lewis the initiatives they'd rejected her for - plus she was nearly as old as Attenborough had been.
The Treaty states were not disappointed, as Machel steadied Antarctica as a largely passive player in the southern hemisphere balance of power, protecting the white continent fiercely, but only deploying ASB missions beyond the southern Ocean for humanitarian or ecolitarian missions.
Machel started her second term with the ASS playing a growing role in eco-engineering programmes, well beyond Antarctica, as the Treaty states cooperation rapidly expanded as climate breakdown escalated. ASS lead projects managed to stall the El Nino breakdown of 2051 and reverse the Gulf Stream collapse of 2052, while ASB rescue teams provied humanitarian and ecolitarian assistance in Chile and Bolivia, and then in Canada, UK, and Iceland. It was during the last mission that Nate McAfee died, guiding an ASB team around an erupting volcano.
As 2054 dawned, the infrastructure Machel had built and enlarged from Guevara's vision was working across the planet. So it was that when the Treay states met at McMurdo to negotiate a deeper, and more permanent relationship between them, there was only one name seriously considered for the Presidency of the Treaty-Moderated Nations of Terra.
As President, Machel divided her time between TMNT headquarters in New York and her beloved Antarctica. She passed away in office in 2058 and is buried at McMurdo, next to the grave of David Attenborough.
Picked as running mate to appeal to the farming bloc, then elected as VP after no candidate can get to 270.VP Chavez?
Cool to coldASS and ASB? Fun fun. I think this is a cool concept