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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

37. Vice President Hubert Humphrey (D) - January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973
'68 def. Richard Nixon (R), George Wallace (AIP), 272-220-46 EV / 42.9%-43.2%-13.5%
38. Governor Nelson Rockfeller (R) - January 20, 1973 - April 15, 1979
'72 def. Hubert Humphrey (D), George Wallace (AIP), 308-137-92 EV / 39.4%-39.0%-18.5%
'76 def. Alexander Haig (AIP), George McGovern (D), 347-130-60 EV / 40.9%-24.0%-33.2%
39. Vice President Charles Percy (R) - April 15, 1979 - January 20, 1981
40. Senator Ted Kennedy (D) - January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
'80 def. Jesse Helms (AIP), Charles Percy (R), 273-168-96 EV / 35.2%-30.0%-33.9%
'84 def. Pat Buchanan (AIP), Gerald Ford (R), 284-191-63 EV / 37.5%-31.9%-28.0%
41. Governor David Duke (AIP) - January 20, 1989 - ?
'88 def. Gary Hart (D), 50.4%-49.6%
 


Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
2022-2024: Rishi Sunak (Conservative)
2024: Penny Mordaunt (Conservative)
2024-2034: Sir Keir Starmer (Labour)

2024 (Majority): def. Sir Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Penny Mordaunt (Conservative), Carla Denyer/Adrian Ramsay (Green), Nigel Farage (Reform UK)
2028 (Majority): def. Steve Barclay (Conservative), Sir Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Nigel Farage (Reform UK), Carla Denyer (Green)
2031 (Majority): def. Mark Reckless (Reform UK), Sir Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Amelia Womack (Green), George Osborne (Conservative)
2034-2037: Wes Streeting (Labour)
2035 (Minority): def. John Tennant (Conservatives Forward!), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Layla Moran (Liberal Democrats), Rosi Sexton (Green)
2037-2046: John Tennant (Conservatives Forward!)
2037 (Minority): def. Wes Streeting (Labour), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Layla Moran (Liberal Democrats), Rosi Sexton (Green)
2039 (Majority): def. Jonathan Reynolds (Labour), Humza Yousaf (SNP), Layla Moran (Liberal Democrats), Rosi Sexton (Green)
2042 (Majority): def. Layla Moran (Liberal Democrats), Steve Reed (Labour), Rosi Sexton (Green)
2046-20xx: John Brown (Labour)
2046 (Majority): def. John Tennant (Conservatives Forward!), Richard Foord (Liberal Democrats), Rosi Sexton (Green)

Tory split
 
Oswald Mosley (British Union of Fascists) 1933-1935*
The one who successfully took over the country somehow. No one knows how. He is widely seen as the first of a long line of PMs.

Diana Mosley (British Union of Fascists) 1935-1937
Somehow Oswald died suddenly, it seems to have been a heart attack. Never mind that, his wife will take over. Right, Tom?

Tom Mitford (British Union of Fascists) 1937-1939*
Well, Tom didn't agree, and muscled his sister out. He governed for two years, then died after a quite sharp fall.

Unity Mitford (British Union of Fascists) 1939-1941
Before Tom's sudden death, Hitler's rising power led to Unity acquiring more influence, and she naturally became the successor.

Pamela Mitford (Independent) 1941-1952
The military decided enough was enough and with the King's approval removed Unity, throwing Britain to join WW2 on the Allied side. Their puppet was yet another Mitford. Pamela was seen as safe and boring, nothing political about her. The later revelations about her sexuality proved interesting.

James Lees-Milne (Independent) 1952
Pamela eventually had enough of the dictatorship and announced she would resign. Eleven years as PM, she hated it all. She was succeeded by a fairly obscure landlord mostly known before then for being someone Tom favoured [and later discovered as an ex-lover], who arranged for elections.

Jessica Mitford (Communist) 1952*
The CPGB won it, under yet another Mitford. Can we never be rid of this turbulent dynasty? Hey, at least she has 100% anti-regime qualities! What's that?

Bryan Guinness, 2nd Baron Moyne (Independent) 1952-1965
The military of course refused to accept Jessica and couped her a few months in, replacing her with yet another puppet, this time Diana's ex-husband. Jokes started to fly around as a result - "to get to power, be a Mitford or bed one" - much to Bryan Guinness' irritation.

Nancy Mitford (Popular Front [Labour]) 1965-1973*
After thirteen years of scheming, Lord Moyne brought down the regime and called for fresh elections in which the Popular Front won in a landslide. Their leader was, of course, another Mitford. Nancy immediately went to the generals and emphasised her moderation, she was not her siblings.

Deborah Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire (Popular Front [Labour], then Social Democratic) 1973-????
Despite genuine plans for a leadership election, Nancy died without it set in stone, and the Popular Front flailed for a while before deciding on the final Mitford sibling. Deborah accepted it with the quip "Well, at least I won't be the one left out". After her, the people hope, someone unrelated!
 
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Presidents of Brazil between 1904 and 1949:
6. Júlio de Castilhos (1904–1921)
7. Borges de Medeiros (1921–1931)
8. Júlio Prestes (1931–1933)
9. Pedro Aurélio de Góis Monteiro (1933–1941)
10. Eduardo Gomes (1941–1947)
11. Hugo Borghi (1947–1949)
 
1861-1867: Fmr. U.S. Senator From Mississippi Jefferson Davis (Unaffiliated)
1861 w/ Fmr. U.S. Rep. From Georgia Alexander H. Stephens def. Unopposed

1867-1873: General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederacy Robert E. Lee (Independent)

1867 w/ Sec. of State of the Confederacy Judah P. Benjamin def. Pres. of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis (Independent); Sec. of War of the Confederacy John C. Breckenridge (Democratic); Confederate Rep. From Virginia William Cabell Rives (Whig); Fmr. U.S. Secretary of the Interior Alexander Hugh Holmes Stuart (Conservative)

1873-1879: Gov. of Tennessee Nathan Bedford Forrest (Democratic)
1873 w/ Gov. of South Carolina Wade Hampton III def. Fmr. Vice Pres. Alexander H. Stephens (Conservative)

1879-1885: Vice Pres. Wade Hampton III (Democratic)
1879 w/ Confederate Sen. From Virginia John W. Johnston def. Confederate Rep. From Virginia Alexander Hugh Holmes Stuart (Conservative)

1885-1891: General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederacy James Longstreet (Conservative)
1885 w/ Confederate Rep. From Virginia Alexander Boteler def. Gov. of Virginia James L. Kemper (Democratic)

1891-1897: Speaker of the Confederate Congress Charles F. Crisp (Democratic)
1891 w/ Confederate Sen. From Virginia John W. Daniel def. Lt. Gov. of Virginia John Lawrence Marye Jr. (Conservative)

1897-1903: Fmr. Gov. of Texas James Stephen Hogg (Conservative)
1897 w/ Fmr. Attorney General of the C.S.A. J. C. S. Blackburn def. General Officer Commanding the Cuba Territory Fitzhugh Lee (Democratic)

1903-1909: Confederate Sen. From South Carolina Benjamin Tillman (Democratic)
1903 w/ Chief Justice of North Carolina Walter Clark def. Confederate Sen. From Kentucky William Campbell Preston Breckinridge (Conservative)

1909-1921: Gov. of Virginia Woodrow Wilson (‘New Whig’ Conservative)
1909 w/ Military Gov. of Puerto Rico Robert Lee Bullard def. Pres. Benjamin Tillman (Democratic); Confederate Rep. From Georgia Thomas E. Watson (‘New Whig’ Democrat); Associate Justice Tennessee Supreme Court James Clark McReynolds (‘True Whig' Conservative)
1915 w/ Attorney General of the C.S.A Louis Brandeis def. Gov. of Texas James E. Ferguson (Democratic)


1921-1927: Sec. of State Edward M. House (Conservative)
1921 w/ Commander in Chief, Confederate Expeditionary Forces Mason M. Patrick def. Confederate Rep. From Alabama Henry D. Clayton Jr. (Democratic)

1927-1933: Lt. Gen. Henry Tureman Allen (Democratic)
1927 w/ Sen. From North Carolina F. M. Simmons def. Confederate Sen. From Alabama Oscar Underwood (Conservative)

1933-: Gov. of Louisianna Huey P. Long (Populist)
1933 w/ Publisher of the Daily Advance and Norfolk Times Carter Glass def. Speaker of the Confederate Congress John Nance Garner (Democratic); Gov. of Virginia Harry F. Byrd (Whig); Charles H. Kerr (Social Democrats of the C.S.A)
1939 w/ Confederate Rep. From Texas Hatton W. Sumners def. Confederate Sen. From North Carolina Josiah Bailey (Democratic); Sen. From Sequoyah Robert L. Owen (Social Democrats of the C.S.A)
So, I assume the Confederate Constitution allows for reelection in this TL? Because it didn't in reality.

I don't meant to be that guy but, yeah. Interesting list though.
 
So, I assume the Confederate Constitution allows for reelection in this TL? Because it didn't in reality.

I don't meant to be that guy but, yeah. Interesting list though.
Nah its a valid point. Yeah after the "Second War of Independence" the Confederates naturally make ammendments to their constitution, which doesn't become as sacred a doctrine to Dixie as it does the original, and blur the lines with separation of powers and do away with a Supreme Court.
 
Nah its a valid point. Yeah after the "Second War of Independence" the Confederates naturally make ammendments to their constitution, which doesn't become as sacred a doctrine to Dixie as it does the original, and blur the lines with separation of powers and do away with a Supreme Court.
Honestly the idea that the CSA would have kept the constitution they wrote is questionable at best.
 
Honestly the idea that the CSA would have kept the constitution they wrote is questionable at best.
You think the radicalizing effect of war and then the validation of victory would have led them to move on to a document that wasn’t just a carbon copy of of the US Constitution (but with extra slavery)? Or is there some other reason?
 
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Why? You think the radicalizing effect of war and then the validation of victory would have led them to move on to a document that wasn’t just a carbon copy of of the US Constitution (but with extra slavery)? Or is there some other reason?
They made a document that was almost impossible to ammend. They made a document that banned the international slave trade when a sizeable contingent of its political class wanted to reopen it. They made a government that paid lip service to democracy ignoring the fact they wanted a return to Oligarchy. They also were inherently going to be instable and coups are likely.
 
They made a document that was almost impossible to ammend. They made a document that banned the international slave trade when a sizeable contingent of its political class wanted to reopen it. They made a government that paid lip service to democracy ignoring the fact they wanted a return to Oligarchy. They also were inherently going to be instable and coups are likely.
Honestly, good points all around.
 
Why? You think the radicalizing effect of war and then the validation of victory would have led them to move on to a document that wasn’t just a carbon copy of of the US Constitution (but with extra slavery)? Or is there some other reason?
Definetely, I think the chance that they jettison the whole document or parts of it, or make additions to preserve "the White Man's Republic" as they fit would be very likely. The chances that they keep their Constitution (which as you say was a carbon copy of their rival's) would be slim at best. Any number of things would be on the table from seperation of church and state, seperation of powers, even state's rights if it proved a liability to national stability.
 
This was my entry for last month's HoS List Challenge! This month's challenge is themed around Grand Projects, the link is in my sig, and there's still about a week left to get your entry in!

Shorting England By The Pound
Chancellors of the Exchequer:
1970-1973: Iain Macleod (Conservative)
1973-1975: Peter Walker (Conservative)
1975-1980: Jim Callaghan (Labour)
1980-1982: Roy Mason (Labour)
1982-1985: Jim Prior (Conservative)
1985-1986: Tim Rathbone (Conservative)
1986-1990: David Penghalion (Liberal)
1990-1992: Peter Lilley (Conservative)
1992-1993: Francis Maude (Conservative)
1993-1994: Peter Lilley (Reform)
1994-1995: Clare Short (Labour)
1995-1997: Jack Cunningham (Labour)
1997-1998: David Lightbown (Conservative)
1998-1998: Nick Leeson (Reform)
1998-1998: Ken Clarke (Conservative)
1998-1999: Douglas Hogg (Conservative)

[Date Published: 05/12/2014]

Black Thursday, or the 1997 sterling crisis, was a financial crisis that occurred on the 14th of August, 1997 [against style guide; link formatting], due to improprieties committed in the office of Chancellor of the Exchequer Nick Leeson.

Background:

Over the past two decades, Great Britain had experienced a rapid turnover of Chancellors of the Exchequer [no link?], for a variety of reasons. The general state of the economy was poor, with inflation, lack of global competitiveness, and repeated militant union action choking productivity [editorialising], and the majority of Chancellors could do little about it. This also led to general political instability, with the result that governments rapidly gained and lost the confidence of the House of Parliament. Finally, the combination of the nominal power of the Chancellorship and the actual impotence of the position chafed at the egos of many Chancellors [editorialising], leading to many choosing to resign the post over points of principle, such as Peter Lilley's objection to retaining the council rate top-up or Clare Short's opposition to the Baltic War.

After the 1997 General Election, the Conservative Party under Michael Ancram formed a coalition government [should link to "First Ancram Ministry", not "coalition government"] with the Reform Party, formerly led by the aforementioned [against style guide; professional language] Peter Lilley before his assassination by the IRA, and then led by Roger Knapman. Due to Reform's economic focus as a party, one of the conditions of this coalition was the inclusion of a Reform MP as Chief Secretary to the Treasury, which was a climb-down from controlling the Treasury itself as was originally proposed by Knapman [irrelevant info]. Due to the role's junior nature, many big beasts [against style guide; over-linkage, should link to "big beasts (politics)", not "Big Beasts (film, 2007)"] refused the position, leading to the relatively untested Nick Leeson being selected thanks to his pre-Parliamentary experience as a clerk for Morgan Stanley and amateur day-trader [source?].

Leeson himself had only been elected to Parliament three years ago, and was seen by many [source?] as a placeholder. However, after David Lightblown's heart attack, he successfully asserted his right to take over as Chancellor, following the precedent set by Tim Rathbone, who had assumed the position following Jim Prior's death in the Orpington train crash. Rathbone's own position as Special Minister of State for Europe may have been [source?] one reason why this was allowed to go unchallenged by Ancram, against the wishes of many such as Home Secretary Brian Mawhinney, who viewed the party as being "exploited by the Reform-ites". [irrelevant info] Due to his relative inexperience, Leeson was given a significant amount of slack by the Civil Service when it came to the Treasury's behavourial norms.

The Incident:

Leeson soon gained public popularity for his bullish statements on the economy and his easy-going charisma. The weakness of the Ancram ministry [against style guide; duplicate links] and of Ancram's personality allowed for individual ministers to set substantial amounts of policy on their own initiative, as seen with Mawhinney's War on Vice or Malcolm Rifkind's Outreach to Poland [irrelevant info, against style guide; link formatting], and his statements that he believed the UK could clear its national debt by 2020 were understandably popular in an UK still reeling from decades of debt crises [no link?]. At the same time, Leeson stepped back from the harsh austerity of previous Chancellors, claiming that the economic growth unleashed by solving the sovereign default would cover expenses enough to end hated measures such as petrol rationing and the Price Commission. Despite the optimism of this view, the financial statistics released by the Treasury backed it up, and few [be specific] in the media questioned it at the time.

In reality, Leeson's idol to Lakshmi had feet of clay. [against style guide; professional language, also this might be racist] The projected increase in government income was largely buried deep in official documents [too vague], but its actual source was in the sale of treasury stocks to various companies that, it later transpired, were either partly or wholly owned by the state, or receiving generous tax rebates for taking them. The reduction in debt was a mirage, created by shuffling the nominal responsibility for repaying it into the future, when the gilts [against style guide; use consistent terms] would mature. By Leeson's own admission [doubtful source], this plan has begun with good intentions, as a temporary stopgap to tide the budget over before the wave of growth unleashed by his economic reforms [overly vague link] got into full swing. However, after he became such an intense focus for media attention, it became clear that only by delivering on those audacious promises could he keep his career.

The promised wave of growth failed to meet the expectations it needed to, although by restoring investor confidence Leeson had improved on the performance of previous chancellors [irrelevant info], and the treasury stocks were soon to come due [against style guide; consistent use of terms]. The solution Leeson devised, aided by multiple Treasury aides [who?], was an audacious scheme [against style guide; professional language] allegedly inspired by a recent biopic of Jacob Little. [source?]

First, Leeson would remove around £400 million from the next budget's income, in the form of repayments on gilts lent to nationalised industries, and instead use it to purchase and then short-sell shares in the pound sterling via the Governmental Market Interface Act, 1993 [against style guide; link formatting]. Then, privately citing the decrease in the balance of payments caused by said £400 million, he would privately devalue the pound momentarily, for just enough time for his agent to repurchase the cheap shares and cash in on the short. Finally, the proceeds would be listed as part of a mini-budget the next month, as justification for reversing the devaluation of the pound, and as a substantial payment against the national debt. By Leeson's own admission [doubtful source] this plan, though well-intentioned [editorialising], was conceived with the aid of "much red wine and a little fine cocaine" [against style guide; quotation] and failed to account for many important factors, most importantly [against style guide; formatting] the reaction of the market.

The sudden, rapid, unexplained devaluation of the pound triggered a loss of confidence among currency investors, leading to the rapid sale of sterling, and a corresponding decrease in its value far below what Leeson had intended. While this did increase the payout of the planned short, its effects on the economy as a whole were extremely negative--the previous recovery was a mirage due to [editorialising] being supported primarily by investor confidence rather than physical economic growth, and the run on the pound triggered many foreign investors, fearing a repeat of the sterling shock [should link to disambiguation page], to pull out of the country. The estimated budget shortfall [by who?] caused by this was around £17 billion, to which the proceeds of the short were a drop in the bucket [against style guide; professional language]--not to mention, of course, that the companies affected by the downturn were attempting to call in early the gilts the Treasury could not repay [source?].

While Leeson could have easily gone to work on recovery measures while obsfucating his role in the crisis out of necessity [editorialising], it was not to be. The aide who perfomed the short itself, Alan Crozier [should link to "Alan Crozier" (redlink) rather than "Judas"], went to the press immediately after depositing the money at the Treasury, claiming he was "guilt-ridden" even though his maudlin whining had no real basis in reality and the whole affair was a pathetic attempt to save his own skin [editorialising, against style guide; professional language]. Following an investigation by the Daily Telegraph [more information needed], Leeson was forced to step down after just 6 months in office, the shortest-serving Chancellor since World War 2 [irrelevant info].

Aftermath:

The record set by Leeson would not stand for long [against style guide; section spacing]. As per the process which had seen Leeson himself become Chancellor, the new Chancellor was his Conservative Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Ken Clarke, a relative moderate on the "wet" end of the party. He was also severely overweight and had been smoking heavily since his narrow escape from the assassination of Reginald Maulding [irrelevant info]. As such, a few days after taking office, he suffered a near-fatal heart attack, allegedly exacerbated by the fallout of Black Thursday [against style guide; unnecessary hedging], and resigned. His Chief Secretary, Douglas Hogg, took over as Chancellor for the remainder of the Ancram ministry.

The economic damage of Black Thursday reversed the previous years' minor economic recovery, removing up to a fifth of the UK's GDP according to Treasury estimates, and permanently stained the Ancram ministry and the Reform Party with an aura of scandal. Leeson's misdemeanours were cited in Neil Hamilton's Warrington Declaration, which founded the Britannia Party alongside seven other Reform MPs, who promptly withdrew their support from the government. The resulting vote of no confidence triggered an election in which Labour's main line of attack was the Conservatives' poor handling both of their ministers and of the now-crashing economy. Robin Cook became Prime Minister, with the largest majority since Heath [irrelevant info].

Nicholas Leeson was bullied into resigning his seat [source?] by a hostile media campaign in his constituency [editorialising]. After the election, he moved to the Netherlands due to the incoming government having declared their intention to make him a scapegoat for a whole twenty-year crisis [editorialising]. He lives there still, working as a clerk, and still occasionally trades using his own money [source?].

[Editor's Recommendation: Deletion. The current article is ommitting crucial data in some areas and is overly detailed and speculative in others--it needs major rewrites to bring it up to Britannica Online standards. The previous author, who only seems to have ever edited this article, has unfortunately stopped answering his DMs. I suggest starting fresh, using this as a skeleton rather than a model at best.]
[Timestamp: 07/12/204]
 
There’s something very fun about a deliberately shoddily-written article like this. The final note of the writer “no longer answering his DMs” is pitch-perfect.

This AH Britain seems a bit grim, too with the mentions of petrol rationing and seeming decades of austerity.
 
There’s something very fun about a deliberately shoddily-written article like this. The final note of the writer “no longer answering his DMs” is pitch-perfect.

Yeah, I only realised midway through what I could be implying and after that the rest of the thing just flowed. I see why this is such a popular TL format now--it's fun to lean into "this source is crap" and give yourself permission to break the rules!

This AH Britain seems a bit grim, too with the mentions of petrol rationing and seeming decades of austerity.

Economically healthy and stable governments are not good places to commit major financial crimes in, sad to say.
 
Purple Cloth

Isaac I Kommenos, r. 1057 - 1060

Michael VII Doukas, r. 1060 - 1064

Constantus III Doukas, r. 1064 - 1066

Romanos IV Diogenes, r. 1066 - 1068

John II Kommenos, r. 1068 - 1073

Isaac II Kommenos, r. 1073 - 1104

John III Kommenos, r. 1104 - 1136

John IV Kommenos, r. 1136 - 1143

Isaac III Kommenos, r. 1143 - 1146

Manuel I Kommenos, r. 1146 -
 
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