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The Italian wars are generally seen to have been kicked off by the invasion by Charles VIII to claim the crown of Naples, it was a fairly simple campaign and a bit of a triumph for the French king whon very much came, saw and conquered... at least on the way there.

Italian political infighting saw city after city give way as it the French marched to Naples where they indulged themselves to for a few months before pressure from the North and Milan and Venice especially saw them retreat with some alacrity back up the peninsula until the armies clashed at a river crossing called Fornovo.

It wasn't a decisive battle for either side, the French escaped relatively unharmed at the cost of it's baggage even though much of it's army arrived ragged and worn down while the Italians held the field at the cost of many of it's more important captains(1) though they did obtain Charles porno collection and his gilded helmet and the freedom to slowly repulse the French from the rest of Italy for a time.

The entire thing does have several interesting points where it can split though;

Firstly the rain caused the river to swell delaying and blunting the Italians battle plans as they hit the French in the sides

Secondly the French king for a few moments became separated and saved only by a groom, capturing or better still killing him is a major blow. Especially as at this point the Duc'd Orleans the heir to the throne the future Louis XII was under siege at Novara and would be for some time longer.

Lastly of course, what if the italian army really does just crumple? They suffered losing one of the Gonzanga clan (Rodolfo Ginzanga the man in charge of reserves and a capable captain died during the river crossing) splits very feasible that a stronger river, a few sword blows gone right can actually harm Italian chances further.


(1) The Italians at this time were not as many assume isolated from Europe and it's system of wars, in many ways Venice was at the bleeding edge of technology and administrative organisation of troops, many of the advances and lessons used by the French had been spun off from the Italian systems(2) What it was however was very much smaller and in the hands of a variable and sometimes capricious number of important captains leading it's armies, often from the front and unused to large scale action.

(2) The further south you went the less capable the cities of Italy were at actually running it's armies. Florence was a notoriously unreliable paymaster while Naples was far more feudal in running it's armies. Again this ties into the political infighting that made the initial French invasion such a success.
 
I suspect a decisive French battle might mean Naples stays with the French crown for a longer period of time, though something like the 1499 war is still almost certain to begin.

A decisive Italian battle is perhaps more interesting- perhaps the French stay out of Italy for a decade before trying again?
 
Charles being killed, followed by Louis having an unfortunate accident in Novara would be a fascinating double pod. Sadly, I'm not as knowledgeable on the period as I'd like. During my third year, the Italian Wars module (which would have been a sure-fire pick) didn't run, because the lecturer responsible was writing a new book about Navarre.
 
Charles being killed, followed by Louis having an unfortunate accident in Novara would be a fascinating double pod.

Hmm, from a legal perspective you'd jump straight to the Angouleme branch, with an incredibly brief reign of Charles d'Orleans before OTL's Francis I takes the throne at the age of 2 and we're looking at a long regency.

Four kings in 2 years and the last one barely old enough to walk when he becomes king.

That would be fun.
 
Hmm, from a legal perspective you'd jump straight to the Angouleme branch, with an incredibly brief reign of Charles d'Orleans before OTL's Francis I takes the throne at the age of 2 and we're looking at a long regency.

Four kings in 2 years and the last one barely old enough to walk when he becomes king.

That would be fun.

Who would he marry? (sorry, had to be done)

Charles being killed, followed by Louis having an unfortunate accident in Novara would be a fascinating double pod. Sadly, I'm not as knowledgeable on the period as I'd like. During my third year, the Italian Wars module (which would have been a sure-fire pick) didn't run, because the lecturer responsible was writing a new book about Navarre.

Yeah my lack of knowledge of France in particular holds me back exploring this more. Even just Louis hsving to frantically back pedal means his claim to Milan might go on ice.

Naples might end up with Spain a mite earlier, depends on the Borgias and the fallout. A full on win might give Italy a shot in the arse or at least a rallying cry for the distant future if rebellions against Spanish or German control take place.
 
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