Biaggi’s Second Opium Den

[Catalunya]

I feel like someone should do an update of that TL with it being more realistic.

Which parts did you not find realistic?

 

[AnActualFam]

Which parts did you not find realistic?

Dems getting 69 Senate seats and then basically doing nothing with it and working with Republicans. It feels kinda ridiculous if you are winning by that much and then immediately go to compromises.

 

[Catalunya]

Dems getting 69 Senate seats and then basically doing nothing with it and working with Republicans. It feels kinda ridiculous if you are winning by that much and then immediately go to compromises.

They had 57+2 OTL and still compromised more than they should. It’s just a feature of Obama 2008 where he wants to portray himself as a unifying figure, and working together with Republicans is necessary for that. However, unlike most people I don’t think he did this out of naivety, but rather a belief that his reforms would have more legitimacy and staying power if it had (at least some) Republican support.

 

[AnActualFam]

They had 57+2 OTL and still compromised more than they should. It’s just a feature of Obama 2008 where he wants to portray himself as a unifying figure, and working together with Republicans is necessary for that. However, unlike most people I don’t think he did this out of naivety, but rather a belief that his reforms would have more legitimacy and staying power if it had (at least some) Republican support.

My main problem is, imo, he compromised to try and not put the filibuster in use, which is not really an issue if they have 69 Senate seats.

 

[AnActualFam]

Also the Senate map in general is just ???????

 

[Catalunya]

My main problem is, imo, he compromised to try and not put the filibuster in use, which is not really an issue if they have 69 Senate seats.

They only had a gentleman’s agreement on not raising taxes. Not saying it wasn’t stupid, but I don’t think it really affected policy too much (in the sense that Obama wouldn’t have done more anyway), though did give the GOP ammunition for the 2010 midterms in the TL.

Also the Senate map in general is just ???????
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There is a logical explanation for literally every single race though. He didn’t just pick states at random or whatever.

 

[gentleman biaggi]

Also the Senate map in general is just ???????
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stop doubting dave freudenthal

 

[AnActualFam]

There is a logical explanation for literally every single race though. He didn’t just pick states at random or whatever.

It’s logical but I do question how a few of them go tbh, Maine is weird in terms of Collins retiring, MN staying even with a landslide, etc. there’s a lot where I feel it’s a bit too much.

They only had a gentleman’s agreement on not raising taxes. Not saying it wasn’t stupid, but I don’t think it really affected policy too much (in the sense that Obama wouldn’t have done more anyway), though did give the GOP ammunition for the 2010 midterms in the TL.

I disagree on both points as there were ideas of raising taxes a bit to pay for stimulus bills IIRC, and I think they just wouldn’t do it because they really have no reason to.

stop doubting dave freudenthal

Unironically don’t have a problem with him winning.

 

[gentleman biaggi]

tulsi gabbard starting a third party called the nonaligned movement

 

[gentleman biaggi]

HOLY SHIT NEW HARTLESS UPDATE DROPPED????????


WHO GOT ELECTED MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES????

 

[gentleman biaggi]

Cabinet of Rudy Perpich:

President: Rudy Perpich (D-MN)
Vice President: Ned McWherter (D-TN)

Secretary of State: Al Gore Jr. (D-TN)
Secretary of the Treasury: Peter Hutchinson (D-MN)
Secretary of Defense: Les Aspin (D-WI)
Attorney General: Barbara Babcock (D-CA)
Secretary of the Interior: Mike Cooney (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture: Robert Mattson Jr. (D-MN)
Secretary of Commerce: George L. Brown (D-CO)
Secretary of Labor: Alexis Herman (D-AL)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Matthew Martinez (D-CA)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Maynard Jackson (D-GA)
Secretary of Rural Development[1]: Charlie Melançon (D-LA)
Secretary of Transportation: Robert E. Farris (D-TN)
Secretary of Energy: Tony Earl (D-WI)
Secretary of Education: Glen Olds (D-AK)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Jesse Brown (D-MI)

Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: Barbara Blum (D-DC)
Director of the Office of Management and Budget: Jim Cooper (D-TN)
Director of Central Intelligence: Robert S. Wood (I-ID)
Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors: Steven Goldfield (I-DC)
Administrator of the Small Business Administration: Clem McSpadden (D-OK)
Chief of Staff: Dan Loritz (D-MN)
Ambassador to the United Nations: William Coleman (R-DC)


[1] Created after inauguration

 

[gentleman biaggi]

left wing argument for why bill clinton was the greatest president ever

-he made america north koreas biggest financial backer
-he appointed a neocon cia director and never spoke to him once
-put a left wing government in haiti (international revolution)
-hutu power is inherently left wing
-socialized healthcare = social fascism
-marx supported free trade

 

[Catalunya]

left wing argument for why bill clinton was the greatest president ever

-he made america north koreas biggest financial backer
-he appointed a neocon cia director and never spoke to him once
-put a left wing government in haiti (international revolution)
-hutu power is inherently left wing
-socialized healthcare = social fascism
-marx supported free trade

- he did his best but southern democrats blocked him (backstabbed by his own people)

 

[gentleman biaggi]

- he did his best but southern democrats blocked him (backstabbed by his own people)

marx saying this about andrew johnson

 

[Catalunya]

marx saying this about andrew johnson

If Lincoln chose Marx instead of Johnson we’d have free communal showers by now.

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

-he appointed a neocon cia director and never spoke to him once

Since neocons are Trots, this is also leftist infighting.

 

[gentleman biaggi]

Since neocons are Trots, this is also leftist infighting.

true/real

 

[gentleman biaggi]

criticizing john lennon for being a wife beater after spending all of 2021 saying “miles davis really beat the hell out of his wife and then made get up with it. #GOAT”

 

[Comrade Izaac]

Alexis Herman

>Former Labor Secretary
>Spends OTL post-political career serving on the corporate boards of Coca-Cola and Toyota

 

[gentleman biaggi]