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If those who had died in "their time" had lived longer (if Oscar Wilde had seen WWI and other ideas)

Sorry for necroing but the one that sticks out to me and not many people mention is Alan Berg. Alan Berg was Jewish atheist liberal who used shock jock tactics to make fun of conservatives,LaRouchites,and white supremacists on his radio show. Neo-Nazis would murder him, three years before The Morton Downey Jr. Show and four years before Rush Limbaugh went national syndicated. Could we see Berg go national and develop a reputation as the Liberal Rush or The Stern before Stern ?
 
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What if René Goscinny lived up to old age? (1/2)

(An old musing of mine, so apologizes in advance for the length and rambling).

René Goscinny famously died after a routine effort test in 1977 at 51 years old.

At this point he already had a lasting impact on French popular culture, essentially uplifting bandes dessinées as a legitimate cultural product directed not only to children or teenagers but to adults as well, trough his editorial work at Pilote where he promoted a new generation of authors besides best-sellers series, open to experimentation thanks to the profits and statue brought by Astérix' success.

But the last decade of his life was rife with tensions and disputes : he was regularly criticizes by the same young generation of authors and readers as (and his works) as hopelessly old-fashioned, backwards looking, "Old France", anti-political, gaullist or business friendly (his financial success itself being criticized). Which led, famously, to a semi-struggle session in Pilote's offices led by most of the young authors of the magazine; harsh up to insulting criticism from more radical comics publications as Hara-Kiri hebdo, or less conflicting "desertions" from protégés to more experimental or openly adult magazines, open scorn from bande dessinée experts as Numa Sadoul that appeared then, etc.
He also was on the verge of a legal battle with his publisher, Dargaud, about renegotiating contracts that was resolved at the editor benefit after his death.

In this context, he already left direction of Pilote in 1971, still collaborating with the direction and writing for his key series (Astérix, Lucky Luke, Iznogoud, essentially) and became more involved with movie-making, with live-action movies as Le Viager or adaptation of his series as The Twelve Tasks of Astérix. On this regard, he co-founded with Uderzo and Dargaud the Studio Idéfix with the idea of gathering animation specialists to create a French "Walt Disney Studio" (as well as a spiritual successor to "Les Gémaux"), project that closed after his death, not without having a lasting impact there as well, motivating the creation of the animation courses and reputation of the Gobelins.
Ironically it was Asterix versus Caesar, in 1985, that relaunched the momentum of French animation with the support of French government, with a lot of animators working there for more famous endeavours, in European or American studios (including Disney and Dreamworks).
 
That was a lot of background there, but what if René Goscinny lived up to the late 2010's/early 2020's as Tchernia, Tabary or Uderzo?

(partly based on this article : https://www.marianne.net/agora/et-si-rene-goscinny-netait-pas-mort-a-51-ans)

When it comes to comics, I think that Goscinny will continue his gradual withdrawal. While not outright giving up on this career, he already slowed down his production IOTL adopting a more "Hergian" rythm instead of writing several scenarii per year as he was used to.

You'd probably see something like one Astérix album every two or three years : how it could go however is not something easy to clear out. I don't think he was any less interested on the character, but his outlook did change with years as Uderzo's did, fearful of giving room to critics accusing him of doing the same formula over and over again.
We might see either a (very relatively) "darker" moral satirism comparable to Iznogoud tackling more about modern French society (as Le Domaine des Dieux ou La Zizanie did, but a bit "meaner", reflecting Goscinny own reaction, maybe?), or conversely a more fantastical and more character-heavy take comparable to Uderzo's own works IOTL.
In fact, we could very well seeing both following each other, if Goscinny's involvement in animation and cinema is successful and demanding enough, with the possiblity of Uderzo trying his hand on short Asterix stories to "make it up" for more wait between albums before eventually becoming sole authors of some Asterix long stories as IOTL with the difference collaboration with Goscinny and more gradual training would probably lead to better critical reception.
Instead of an alternance of each album being "Gauls going abroad" or "Gauls dealing with a crisis at home", we might thus see a more stylistic switch between "Gauls satirize aspects of modern society" (likely at home or among themselves) and "Gauls go on a grand trip around" (abroad or, maybe, in folklore), maybe ending as proposed by the article with a more "classical" Asterix and the Vascons as a closure of a series going full circle.

Morris having renewed the contract on Lucky Luke on Goscinny's back, I could see the latter being quite bitter about it and deciding to stop further collaboration on the series at least for the time being : as far as he was concerned, it was an hurtful betrayal from one of his older collaborators (actually going further back than Astérix), and I wouldn't think that he would readily forgive that. That would pretty mean the same thing as IOTL, Morris being uninterested on writing Lucky Luke as he did early on and going with younger scenarists with an immediate drop in critical quality.

I can see Goscinny collaborating still on Iznogoud, as he had an a priori excellent work relation with Tabary (who would probably follow him in breaking with Dargaud), but possibly giving him more leeway on scenario-making on the same grounds as it could happen ITTL with Uderzo, especially giving Tabary kept producing scenarii IOTL and was intent on continuing the series after Goscinny's death.

While Goscinny's death in 1977 pretty much put a stop to personal criticism on his character, with a rehabilitation from both renowed colleagues (as Franquin) and most of the youngs authors that heavily criticized him, and while I could still see a lot of these people bent on defending René Goscinny's influence on comics, I definitely think you"d have a much more long lasting scorn from both more radical, fashionable or modern authors as well as part of the BD cultural establishment willing to preserve a distance between "serious" and "popular" comics, maybe up to promoting and settling a distinction comparable to IOTL American "comics"/"graphic novel" with "bande dessinée/roman graphique" (which tbh, exist IOTL in bande dessinée but also appears as much more snobbish).

Eventually, films and especially animated movies are likely to be the main focus of a longer-living Goscinny from this point on. Assuming the legal conflict between Uderzo (with Goscinny here) and Dargaud unfolds as IOTL, he would still keep movie adaptation rights to his comics, fueling a comparable endeavour and influence he had in Franco-Belgian comics in French animation.

IOTL, Iznogoud was being planned to be adapted by Studio Idéfix as a live-action movie with Louis De Funès : but as he refused, I don't think you'd have much momentum to actually adapt it as such and maybe more probably so as an animated movie with reduced ambitions (being a less popular character and without star-effect bought by De Funès).
In fact, while Goscinny did have some successes along with disappointments in live-action movies, I think Studio Idéfix would remain essentially an animation studio except maybe producing small movies if they have the funds for.

As the article proposes, I could see Goscinny being also willing to create his own animated character and series with this Baron de l'Etiquette as a Saint-Simonian satire of Louis XIV court, maybe as a direct-to-TV series rather than as a theatrical movie, as he seem to have more comfortable with a sketch structure when it came to long stories (You just have to look at the Twelve Tasks of Asterix and Ballad of Daltons) which don't really gives as much in movie format as it does in serial comics.
On the other hand, I could see him acting as a mentor of sort to authors willing to adapt their stories, either from comics or from novels, as to make them more accessible to the general public. I'd see a specific approach from someone that was still essentially marked by his editorial career, and less prone to force in a specific studio style especially since it wouldn't be as person-centered as were Don Bluth or Myasaki studios.

It's really harder to speculate about what could have been done there, besides adaptation of Goscinny's own work (safe Lucky Luke ITTL) like Asterix, Iznogoud (maybe just a one-time event IMO), Le Petit Nicolas or from comics or works he had affinities with the authors : there we could see an actual Barbe-Rouge movie adaptation (maybe of the Aztec Treasure arc?), Tanguy et Laverdure (possibly as an actual political live-action movie as it would be much easier to have the props and authorisation), Valérian et Laureline, etc.
Dreaming there a bit, imagine what could have be made with "Il était une fois...l'espace" with an actual budget, skills, time, etc. turning it as an actual domestic equivalent of Star Trek for a generation.

Assuming a steady enough income from royalties and theaters entrances, you might have avoided the animation "gap" of the 80's in France, both when it comes to its public perception (still pretty much "familial") and accessibility of skills : ITTL, continuity of presence of "old" specialists and incoming generation along with some cultural protectionism would allow animated movies within (and eventually outside) Studio Idéfix to have an overall better quality.
Not something comparable in scale to Disney (maybe more akin to Don Bluth on this regard), but allowing people like Laloux to produce domestically without going for Hungarian or North Korean taskforce. You might see movies like Gandahar being up to their writing and ambitions instead of...you know, cult-following like appreciation and more likely to be sold abroad : not something even making a dent at Disney or American studios both abroad or in Europe of course, but possibly creating a strong domestic and European market alongside.

I don't think it would be nearly enough to "stop" or change much about the influence of Japanese animation in France, altough possibly pushing for more actual collaboration as with Ulysses 31, and I actually would see Studio Idéfix being uneasy or even uninterested to the idea incorporating it (if later IOTL Uderzo take on manga is any indication, but he was admittedly old and quite bitter at this point). However, what could change ITTL is that promotion and presence of accessible domestic animation studios might led to a much lesser presence of Japanimation in France : IOTL, TF1 channel imported them by the ton which made France a prime market for Japanese animation and comics (actually the main market outside Japan). ITTL, altough unlikely to be comparable to how delayed it was in USA. It could however be an additional reason for Studio Idédix to be retiscent to this and actually lobbying.
Likewise I wouldn't be surprised that Studio Idéfix would completely pass away from video-games applications.

What happens after the 90's is IMO too hard to propose, giving it changes gradually a lot of stuff in domestic and european perception of animation, what makes it popular, which themes are around, etc. But if it wouldn't be unthinkable to propose Studio Idéfix becoming interested on develloping techniques notably computer animation, I don't think they would have a leading role there.

Overall when it comes to their influence, I would think Goscinny would have a comparable one he had in comics : acting as a facilitator, someone shifting the general public perception about animation as being a mature media on its own, using profits from Asterix and Studio Idéfix movies to first lead on some domestic adaptations, and eventually trough creating the structures and the means for governmental subsides (which would be *the* financial distinction of French animation ITTL as well compared to American and Japanese) earlier ITTL.
 
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But the last decade of his life was rife with tensions and disputes : he was regularly criticizes by the same young generation of authors and readers as (and his works) as hopelessly old-fashioned, backwards looking, "Old France", anti-political, gaullist or business friendly (his financial success itself being criticized). Which led, famously, to a semi-struggle session in Pilote's offices led by most of the young authors of the magazine; harsh up to insulting criticism from more radical comics publications as Hara-Kiri hebdo, or less conflicting "desertions" from protégés to more experimental or openly adult magazines, open scorn from bande dessinée experts as Numa Sadoul that appeared then, etc.
I've always wondered how long it would have taken the rebellious authors to reconcile themselves with Goscinny, Gotlib in particular.

I don't think it would be nearly enough to "stop" or change much about the influence of Japanese animation in France, altough possibly pushing for more actual collaboration as with Ulysses 31, and I actually would see Studio Idéfix being uneasy or even uninterested to the idea incorporating it (if later IOTL Uderzo take on manga is any indication, but he was admittedly old and quite bitter at this point). However, what could change ITTL is that promotion and presence of accessible domestic animation studios might led to a much lesser presence of Japanimation in France : IOTL, TF1 channel imported them by the ton which made France a prime market for Japanese animation and comics (actually the main market outside Japan).
I grew up on Franco-Japanese animated series and it would be interesting to imagine the cooperation becoming big enough to be self-sustaining.
 
I've always wondered how long it would have taken the rebellious authors to reconcile themselves with Goscinny, Gotlib in particular.
I feel like you'd have to make a distinction between those like Brétecher or Gotlib whose style became more affirmed and ready to engage with experiences and themes (notably sexuality or vitriolic humour) Goscinny positively disliked without attacking his character, and those that actively went with personal insults, professional scorn, etc.
Giraud might be an interesting case, as he could be still very intent on being involved ITTL in animation as much as he actually did and his IOTL regret over the whole "struggle session" might pretty much happen quickly there as well altough with no guarantee about how Goscinny might be ready to overlook it (which was in his nature, granted, but I'm sort of seeing a more bitter Goscinny ITTL). Which in itself might very well butterfly away Giraud's American venture and his influence over comics notably on Mike Mignola and conversly of American comics making in France.

I don't think you'd ever have a spiritual "father/son" relationship Goscinny seemed to want for himself and Gotlib, of course, and the former would willy-nilly have to accept the generational gap taking these proportions (I don't see him endorsing publication as Fluide Glacial or Métal Hurland, but maybe accepting that such were the times), but I think that in this case both mutual respect and Goscinny involvement in cinema would heal a lot of things which wouldn't be the case with Cavanna or Morris.

Altough you could argue that you could see him somehow "mentoring" younger authors with a more classical, safer, bent in the 80's (a bit like Franquin or Martin did in Belgium, or even as Gotlib did IOTL in the 90's/2000's when playing "the wise old man" in his retirement)

I grew up on Franco-Japanese animated series and it would be interesting to imagine the cooperation becoming big enough to be self-sustaining.
Speaking of that TL with someone, they made the point that it could have turned into something comparable to what existed in Italy IOTL, with a greater survival of traditional animation/comic-making on one hand, but as well with a significant part in co-production of japanimation (it also mean that you might end up with a french Mondo World, which gives this TL an unexpected dystopic turn).

IOTL, the import of japanimation first was made also with several adaptations of youth litterary classics, as Rémi Sans Famille, so you could see studios managing to get subsides in the name of doing such collaboration on these grounds, with the possibility in the 90's having franco-japanese animation of more mature classics, let's say Verne or Hugo's.

Thinking about it, it could actually be an important vector of japanese manga or animation influence in France on pretty much the same grounds as IOTL (again, I think a late 70's PoD make it pretty much unavoidable), but with more european collaboration mix, making it maybe more gradual and more pervasive without the 90's backlash about how "wa, wa! Japanese animation is going to destroy european animation, wa, wa!" which led to removing most of these series out of TV and replace them with Nickelodeon...
 
Giraud might be an interesting case, as he could be still very intent on being involved ITTL in animation as much as he actually did and his IOTL regret over the whole "struggle session" might pretty much happen quickly there as well altough with no guarantee about how Goscinny might be ready to overlook it (which was in his nature, granted, but I'm sort of seeing a more bitter Goscinny ITTL). Which in itself might very well butterfly away Giraud's American venture and his influence over comics notably on Mike Mignola and conversly of American comics making in France.
Something that comes to mind is that Giraud was a huge fan of Miyazaki, later in life they would do joint exhibitions and he even named his daughter Nausicaa in reference to the movie. Perhaps in a TL where Franco-Japanese animation is bigger one could see him turn to Japan rather than the US. Then in turn Caza might do the same; his 1987 animated feature film Gandahar could have gained from better production values--in OTL some of the graphic work was outsourced to North Korea of all places to cut costs.
 
Surprised to see that Lenin hasn't been brought up here yet. Had he had better health and died in his 80s (in the 1950s), the development of the Soviet Union would surely have been very different.
Lenin was extremely unlikely to have lived into his 80s. He was a workaholic and only slept around 3 hours a day. I can't see him living more than 20 years more than in our timeline.
 
Lenin was extremely unlikely to have lived into his 80s. He was a workaholic and only slept around 3 hours a day. I can't see him living more than 20 years more than in our timeline.
The same is true of Margaret Thatcher and she lived to 87.

But yeah, would require him to have better luck with health in general
 
The same is true of Margaret Thatcher and she lived to 87.

But yeah, would require him to have better luck with health in general

Going off Thatcher, he might have issues with mental health in his old age. The Founder Of The Soviet Union suffering dementia would be a pretty somber moment for the communist world, a source of mean jokes abroad, and part of his Great Man narrative.
 
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