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Things that look like alternate history but aren't
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From the Gentleman's Magazine for September 1772:
This refers to the Gustavian Era tilt to absolutism, reflecting the way 'revolution' was used more generally in English in a political sense before it got the tinge of radicalism from America and France. @Makemakean @Ares96
Page 8 of the same issue has an illustration of a mosque somebody built in Kew Gardens just to be exotic, which is strange in hindsight (not unlike Brighton Pavilion).
This refers to the Gustavian Era tilt to absolutism, reflecting the way 'revolution' was used more generally in English in a political sense before it got the tinge of radicalism from America and France. @Makemakean @Ares96
Page 8 of the same issue has an illustration of a mosque somebody built in Kew Gardens just to be exotic, which is strange in hindsight (not unlike Brighton Pavilion).
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Oh, it was called a revolution at the time, seeing Gustav III was indeed very much popular when it all transpired. As his popularity started to wane, it stopped being referred to as “the Revolution” and started being referred to as “the Coup d’État”.
I would almost bet money on that the account is not particularly favourable, seeing London in the 1770s had a surprisingly large community of self-exiled Swedes with money (many of them Swedenborgians), and those did not, as a general rule, have particularly high view of Gustav III. I came across one book from the 1770s written by a Swede in London and meant dor an English audience that was incredibly polemic about what had taken place.
Yeah, as Max says, very much a reflection of the original Swedish usage. At this point in time the general word for it was “statsvälvning” (lit. “turning of the state”), a wonderful word that I think we should bring back, but Gustav III, ever the Francophile, used the word “révolution” even in Swedish, and eventually it stuck. Although the old word survives, like a surprising number of older Swedish words do, in Finnish, where it’s been calqued as “vallankumous” and is still the general word for a violent change of government.
I realise this isn’t the linguistics thread, but I happen to have spent a lot of time thinking about specifically this over the past few months.
I realise this isn’t the linguistics thread, but I happen to have spent a lot of time thinking about specifically this over the past few months.
Makemakean
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I don’t think the events of 1809 were ever referred to as anything other than a statskupp though. Granted it took a few decades to hammer out the reform of the Riksdag of the Estates and for government by cabinet responsible to the legislature to be properly established, but fundamentally, 1809 in many respects played a similar role to 1688 in Britain.
Curiously though, there was very limited interest in seeing it celebrated and commemorated the way that Gustav III celebrated and commemorated his coup. Everyone involved seemed to take the view, “sure, it needed to be done, but it was still nasty business”.
Curiously though, there was very limited interest in seeing it celebrated and commemorated the way that Gustav III celebrated and commemorated his coup. Everyone involved seemed to take the view, “sure, it needed to be done, but it was still nasty business”.
Much like the similar-era Pagoda.
a truly lovely word and phrase
the coup that took down Mugabe was officially referred to as the Bloodless Correction
Speaking of that country, post-independence Zimbabwe has continued to use the Rhodesian brushstroke camo pattern and made new uniforms in a slightly different shade (so it's not just using surplus for cost reasons)
Does the article directly refer to the structure as a mosque, or is some other term used to mean the same thing?
and the Zimbabwe Rhodesia Police became, still are, the Zimbabwe Republic Police, ZRP, and few people still alive remember...Speaking of that country, post-independence Zimbabwe has continued to use the Rhodesian brushstroke camo pattern and made new uniforms in a slightly different shade (so it's not just using surplus for cost reasons)
RGM was quick to dump Walls, and essentially the wrong guys from the Air Force but was quite happy to keep on the entire secret police apparatus: the Central Intelligence Organisation essentially was retained lock stock and barell, with Cardinal Richelieu, sorry Flower, in charge
NotDavidSoslan
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Peru and Panama being left-wing military dictatorships in Latin America during 1968–75 (when the Peruvian junta entered its second stage, and began actively taking part in Condor)
NotDavidSoslan
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I've never heard of the acronym for Robert Gabriel Mugabe, thank you!
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Written Swedish often looks like Dutch to me.
There were also a number of people at around this time who spoke of the British East India Company takeover of India as a revolution. I’m not sure how related that is, and some of it later on came from conservatives like Edmund Burke negatively comparing the British Raj to the First French Republic, but I found it pretty striking.
NotDavidSoslan
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On the other hand, something like the coup d'etat in Brazil in 1964, which is still referred to as the "Revolução de 1964" by junta supporters, is clearly counterrevolutionary.
Well, you can read it yourself if you click the link and advance a couple of pages. At least until someone kills the Internet Archive...
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There is an ongoing territorial dispute between the Philippines and Malaysia as the former claims much of the latter's state of Sabah, on Borneo, because the Sultanate of Sulu made a deal with the British at one point.
It its fundamentals it is very much like the Moroccan claim to Western Sahara, but very few Filipinos by my understanding actually give a shit.
It its fundamentals it is very much like the Moroccan claim to Western Sahara, but very few Filipinos by my understanding actually give a shit.