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The last stand, German National Redoubt

lordroel

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The last stand, German National Redoubt

This thread is not about Operation Sea Lion but a other thing that was nothing but a Nazi dream, but the Alpine Fortress (German: Alpenfestung) or Alpine Redoubt was the World War II national redoubt planned by Heinrich Himmler in November/December 1943 for Germany's government and armed forces to retreat to an area from "southern Bavaria across western Austria to northern Italy". The plan was never fully endorsed by Hitler and no serious attempt was made to put the plan into operation.

Time magazine, in February 1945, predicted that top Nazi officials, accompanied by Hitler Youth fanatics and dedicated SS officers, would retreat, “behind a loyal rearguard cover of Volksgrenadiere and Volksstürmer, to the Alpine massif which reaches from southern Bavaria across western Austria to northern Italy.”

Immense stores of ammunition and food were being laid down in prepared fortifications there, Time reported. “If the retreat is a success, such an army might hold out for years.”

Map of “Hitler’s Inner Fortress” in the Alps, from Time magazine, February 12, 1945
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Life magazine similarly reported two months later, only days before Adolf Hitler shot himself in Berlin, that the German army was “wheeling back toward the best defensive positions in Europe, the Bavarian and Austrian Alps.”

It seemed significant to Life that, as the Rhine and Order lines were rent, the Germans held firm in the Italian mountains and Franconia, north of Bavaria.

Salt mines in the area had been converted into war factories, it claimed, producing guns, fighter planes and gasoline. “There were said to be subterranean hangers, tremendous depots of coal, grain and foodstuffs.” The magazine estimated that as many as 25 divisions could hold up in the region.

Map of the “mountain heart of Europe” from Life magazine, April 9, 1945

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“The mountain heart of Europe forms a natural fortress,” according to Life.

The neutrality of the republic of Switzerland protects the western flank. There are said to be extensive fortifications around Bolzano, southwest of Graz and around Berchtesgaden. Close to Berchtesgaden are the estates of Hitler, Göring, Himmler, Ribbentrop and the president of the Nazi Party, little-known Martin Bormann. This area in the high Tauern Alps would probably be the final defense system.

Life was in no doubt that the Nazis were capable of “so criminal and irresponsible an idea.”

Indeed, it could not believe the regime was about to give up. “The way the Nazis seemed to be whimpering into defeat belied their boastful threats of Götterdämmerung.”
 
Map of “Hitler’s Inner Fortress” in the Alps, from Time magazine, February 12, 1945
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I love how the map has White Russian forces approaching Berlin.

When it was 'suggested' by Washington that US media turn a blind eye to Uncle Joe for the duration of the Alliance, the editor of Time magazine may have taken them a bit too literally.
 
I love how the map has White Russian forces approaching Berlin.

When it was 'suggested' by Washington that US media turn a blind eye to Uncle Joe for the duration of the Alliance, the editor of Time magazine may have taken them a bit too literally.

"White Russian" was a fairly common colloquial term for Belorussian back then, hence you have Zhukov's "1st White Russian Front" rather than the 1st Belorussian Front in the north and Koniev's 2nd & 3rd Ukranian Fronts to the south.
 
There's a map in Forgotten Hope, the classic realism mod for BF1942, about this scenario. It was the mod's chance to use end-of-war and Wunderwaffen.

 
It's a tempting idea for a what if but looked at objectively you have to ask "what are they going to actually fight with?" No fuel, no tanks, low ammunition, minimal manpower that's not to old or to young.

Nah it was a fantasy.
 
It's a tempting idea for a what if but looked at objectively you have to ask "what are they going to actually fight with?" No fuel, no tanks, low ammunition, minimal manpower that's not to old or to young.

Nah it was a fantasy.

I think it could work if the Nazis went all in at the plans inception, although I'm doubtful that anyone would really have the dedication to first commit to the cost of building such complex fortifications and then keeping 25 divisions (let's say 10 Gebirgsjäger and 15 infantry) in the redoubt along with auxiliaries and the leadership and enough workers to maintain everything and enough resources to keep that half a million people alive and fighting for several years. It wouldn't just be defeatism, it would be actively hobbling the war effort. This is definitely a hill that Speer would die on, if you'll pardon the pun.
 
I think it could work if the Nazis went all in at the plans inception, although I'm doubtful that anyone would really have the dedication to first commit to the cost of building such complex fortifications and then keeping 25 divisions (let's say 10 Gebirgsjäger and 15 infantry) in the redoubt along with auxiliaries and the leadership and enough workers to maintain everything and enough resources to keep that half a million people alive and fighting for several years. It wouldn't just be defeatism, it would be actively hobbling the war effort. This is definitely a hill that Speer would die on, if you'll pardon the pun.

There is, after all, a reason why National Redoubts tend to be established by nations with a very strong defensive orientation to their foreign policy and military strategy.
 
A National Redoubt with fortresses, reserves and supplies? Absolutely no chance.

But a more vaguely-defined geographical area, likely in or around Bavaria, where Waffen-SS and particularly fanatical, or coerced, Wehrmacht forces could form up and become a potent, realised Werewolf force of guerilla formations? Now that's a scenario I'd like to see
 
You either have 25 skeletal divisions the Allies can smash with at most slightly more difficulty than they did IOTL, or you can have 25 stronger divisions there that are 25 divisions that can't be somewhere else where the Allies (western or eastern) are pushing, meaning it makes overrunning the rest of Germany that much easier.
 
You either have 25 skeletal divisions the Allies can smash with at most slightly more difficulty than they did IOTL, or you can have 25 stronger divisions there that are 25 divisions that can't be somewhere else where the Allies (western or eastern) are pushing, meaning it makes overrunning the rest of Germany that much easier.
But the allies did not know those 25 phantom divisions where weak ore strong, ore did they.
 
But the allies did not know those 25 phantom divisions where weak ore strong, ore did they.

Doesn't particularly matter. Once the allies start pushing (and it's not as if they'll just go 'we give up' at the prospect) they'll find they're understrength. Whether that's advancing cross the Rhine quicker or finding the redoubt just isn't one doesn't really affect that much save for the psychological boost when it does turn out to be easy and how long they build up to find out.
 
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