Other Ideologies: Third Position

[AndyC]

Discuss @Uhura's Mazda 's latest article here

 

[Alex Richards]

There's an odd sort of logic to 'we want an ethnically pure white state over here, you want an ethnically pure arab state over there, we should totally work together'. The sort of thing that only works when you've got a comfortably large body of water between you.

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

Obviously I skipped a lot of interesting tangents for space reasons, but I don't think I'd get away without mentioning Tolkien to this audience.

As chance would have it, the first Italian translations of LOTR came out in the early 70s, right when the new vibrancy of the youth was taking off on both Left and Right. The Right latched onto the Romantic traditionalism in Tolkien's work and related that to Evola's ruralist Catholic Traditionalism to such an extent that being an LOTR fan in Italy became a political shibboleth (...of Feanor). One of the upshots of this was a series of Glasto-style counter-countercultural festivals called 'Camp Hobbit' 1, 2, etc. Later, the deputies of the Alleanza Nazionale had a private screening of Fellowship of the Ring when the film came out.

Article on the subject here.

 

[Thande]

There's an odd sort of logic to 'we want an ethnically pure white state over here, you want an ethnically pure arab state over there, we should totally work together'. The sort of thing that only works when you've got a comfortably large body of water between you.

Or the void of space, hint hint. (The Incognitans in Moonstruck et al were in part inspired by the sort of rhetoric Griffin and co. were coming out with at the time when I was reading it at the start of the 2000s, though I didn't understand the context David describes here until then). Blair's hijacking of the term Third Way led, of course, to the UK party of that name deciding to call itself the 'National Liberals' in the 2000s, just to be even more confusing.

One use of the term (I don't know if they were strictly related) that didn't come up here was the "American Third Position Party"; I was always amused at the combination of the esoteric and anodyne terminology with the fact that their slogan was "A Political Party for White Americans". Insert your own punchline here.

 

[Makemakean]

Marvellous piece.

You tell me that I am the one who focuses on individuals as opposed to a movement at large, and yet you begin in such a grand way as to ask to audience to picture a room with two English oddjobs waiting for a Libyan dictator in such an evocative way and yet so few words. This is good stuff.

Perhaps not the most interesting ideology you've covered so far, but the best written one, in my opinion.

 

[OHC]

There's an odd sort of logic to 'we want an ethnically pure white state over here, you want an ethnically pure arab state over there, we should totally work together'. The sort of thing that only works when you've got a comfortably large body of water between you.

That's probably one reason why the alliance between the Nation of Islam and the American Nazis didn't go anywhere.

Tom Metzger, the KKK leader mentioned as collaborating with the NoI towards the end of the article, identifies as a Third Positionist, although I don't believe Rockwell's Nazis did. (The American Nazis were really more like today's internet edgelords than anything else.)

 

[Skinny87]

What The Fuck is National-Anarchism?

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

What The Fuck is National-Anarchism?

The Wiki page is a wild ride.

 

[OHC]

The Wiki page is a wild ride.

You know it's a Serious ideology when the Wiki page is just lists and lists of other ideologies it's slightly distinct from

 

[napoleon IV]

What The Fuck is National-Anarchism?

You know how Diet Coke and Coke Zero are basically the same thing, but are marketed differently? That's pretty much the difference between Fascism and National Anarchism.

 

[Redolegna]

The Wiki page is a wild ride.

Blue links, blue links everywhere.

 

[Nanwe]

Pretty liked the article. It brought me back to Fascisti senza Mussolini: Le origini del neofascismo in Italia, 1943-1948. The author talks a lot about the origins and the hopes of the left-fascists during the RSI period, where large factories were 'collectivised' or 'socialised' (never nationalised) and the single union system was re-designed to be more social and less of a sham.

EDIT: Parlato also has a book from 2000 named "La sinistra fascista: storia di un progetto mancato" (The Fascist Left: Story of a failed project), but i haven't read that one.

I don't know if the book is translated into English, I think it's worth a read, as it also explains all three of the currents within the MSI at the time of its creation.

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

Pretty liked the article. It brought me back to Fascisti senza Mussolini: Le origini del neofascismo in Italia, 1943-1948. The author talks a lot about the origins and the hopes of the left-fascists during the RSI period, where large factories were 'collectivised' or 'socialised' (never nationalised) and the single union system was re-designed to be more social and less of a sham.

EDIT: Parlato also has a book from 2000 named "La sinistra fascista: storia di un progetto mancato" (The Fascist Left: Story of a failed project), but i haven't read that one.

I don't know if the book is translated into English, I think it's worth a read, as it also explains all three of the currents within the MSI at the time of its creation.

This article covers the internal currents in the late 1980s, when the founding generation were all dying off and leaving the younger generation to propose a variety of new courses, and is likewise well worth a read. I particularly 'liked' the Rautian arguments that Fascism never had anything to do with being right-wing, honest guv.

 

[Roberto El Rey]

Awesome article! The bits about Mussolini's desperate backtracking after the American invasion and the ideological distinctions between Hitlerite Nazism and Third Positionism reminded me a lot of Pablo Portillo's In the Shadow of Montreux, which I read earlier this year and which surprised me with all its little details about the ideological nuances of different flavors of fascism.

Also, "professional edgelord Eduard Limonov" is possibly the best phrase I've heard all week.