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Nothing but Schadenfreude: A Test Thread

rosa

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Very interesting. As always I'm asking from a place of ignorance when it comes to those states over yonder; but I was under the impression that Long was fairly anti-socialist, up to outright saying that his whole Share The Wealth schtick was more about preventing socialism than implementing it. How does that mesh with Farmer-Labor? Is Farmer-Labor that centre-leaning that it accepts that?
Part of what Wolfram said, but also, in 1935 Olson, of the FLP, was actually one of the names mentioned to be Huey's proxy candidate until Long died
 

Comrade Izaac

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The FLP's form of populist rural Social Democracy is also pretty well in line with Long's original Share our Wealth program, the primary difference between the Farm-Labs and Long's boys is their varrying degrees of support for wide spread public ownership and profit socialization*. in terms of things like land and wealth redistribution, public programs, anti-monopolism and so on the two groups are fairly well aligned.

*Also, for obvious reasons, race and racism
 

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Very interesting. As always I'm asking from a place of ignorance when it comes to those states over yonder; but I was under the impression that Long was fairly anti-socialist, up to outright saying that his whole Share The Wealth schtick was more about preventing socialism than implementing it. How does that mesh with Farmer-Labor? Is Farmer-Labor that centre-leaning that it accepts that?
john bernard running a campaign similar to norman thomas in 1948 would be crazy
 

rosa

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1821 - 1823: Speaker Henry Clay (Republican)
1820 (with Daniel D. Tompkins) def. Governor DeWitt Clinton (Republican), President James Monroe (Republican)
1823 - 1825: Secretary Richard Rush (Federalist)

1825 - 18XX: Secretary John Quincy Adams (People's)
1824 (with Horatio Seymour) def. Fmr. Pres. James Monroe (Republican), Fmr. Secretary John C. Calhoun (Republican), Fmr. Minister Albert Gallatin (Republican), President Richard Rush (Federalist)

Clinton '20 and People's party: C990AE
Monroe '20 and '24: 90C9AB
Clay '20 and Gallatin '24: 9092C9
Calhoun '24: e6ac58
Federalists: cdb26b
 

rosa

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Americana Rex: a Sun That Never Sets

1789 - 1793:
General Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)[1]
1788
def. Minister Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan), Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Governor George Clinton (Anti-Federalist)

1793 - 1801: Vice Pres. Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan)[2][3]
1792 def. President Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan), Secretary John Adams (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Governor Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Minister Thomas Jefferson (Yeoman)
1796 def. Fmr. Minister Thomas Jefferson (Yeoman-Anti-Federalist), Fmr. President Benedict Arnold (Arnold)

1801 -1809: Fmr. Senator William Few (Yeoman-Anti-Federalist)
1800 def. Representative Henry Lee (Federalist), Fmr. Secretary Alexander Hamilton (Arnold), Captain John Paul Jones (Non-Partisan Alliance)
1804 def. Secretary James Madison (Federalist), Sen. Aaron Burr (American Experiment), Fmr. Secretary Alexander Hamilton (High Federalist-Arnold)


1809 - 1817: Senator Aaron Burr (American Experiment)[4]
1808 def. President William Few (Yeoman), Sen. Alexander Hamilton (Arnoldian), Justice John Jay (Federalist)
1812 def. Senm Timothy Pitkin (Yeoman), Sen. Rufus King (Arnoldian-Federalist)

1817 - 1821: Gen. James Robertson Arnold (New Federalist)[5]
1816 def. President Aaron Burr (American Experiment), Governor Solomon Southwick (Yeoman)

1821 - 1824: Senator Alexander Hamilton (Arnoldian)[6][7]
1820 def. Fmr. President Aaron Burr (American Experiment-Yeoman), Pres. James Robertson Arnold (New Federalist)
1824 - 1825: President Pro Tempore John W. Taylor (Yeoman)

1825 - 1833: Speaker Henry Clay (National System)[8]

1824 def. various (American Experiment), various (Arnoldian), Fmr. President James Robertson Arnold (True Arnoldian)
1828 def. Fmr. President James Robertson Arnold (True Arnoldian)

1833 - 1837: Minister Theodosia Burr Bonaparte (Burrist)[9]
1832 def. President Henry Clay (National System), Senator Alexander Hamilton Jr. (Hamiltonian-Arnoldian), Vice President James Robertson Arnold (True Arnoldian)

1837 - 1845: Governor Thomas E. Skidmore (Yeomen and Machinists)
1836 def. President Theodosia Burr Bonaparte (Burrist), Senator John J. Crittenden (National System)
1840 (with Martha Jefferson Randolph) def. Fmr. Secretary Albert Gallatin (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Governor Samuel Swartwout (Burrist), Rep. Robert Dale Owens (Working Men's), Industrialist Samuel Slater (National System)

1845 - : Senator Alexander Hamilton Jr. (Hamiltonian-Arnoldian)

1844 (with James Hamilton) def. Minister Joseph Smith (Burrist), President Thomas Skidmore (Yeomen and Machinists), Rep. Charles Francis Adams (Constitution)

[1] Union of the Québécois and American revolutionaries under the guide of General Arnold, with concessions of light devolution
[2] Election of Motier under a Francophone-immigrant Coalition, following the revelations of improper dealings with the British by Arnold
[3] Louisianan revolt against the Spanish and unification with America
[4] Entrance into the Napoleonic Wars and subsequent annexation of the Bahamas, the Floridas, and various Caribbean territories
[5] Election of President Arnold's son, in opposition to an increasingly expensive war in the Caribbean and modernization
[6] Corrupt bargain between Hamilton and Burr, resulting in the increasingly tenuous relationship between the two political heavyweights
[7] The loss of the leaders of the American Experiment and Arnoldian parties due to a duel between Burr and Hamilton that resulted in the death of both figures, leading to favorite son candidacies for both parties and the election of Henry Clay
[8] Landslide victory of President Clay, with the Arnoldian and American Experiment parties being stranded in the political wilderness
[9] Election of Theodosia Burr over Clay's unpopular denial of declaring war with Mexico, splitting many of the political parties over the matter and forging new political alliances. Also the election of the first female President
[10] Mexican-American war armistice and defeat of President Bonaparte, due to poor mismanagement and the outbreak of disease. The second rise of American populism. Former President Arnold finally stops running for President, after his fourth consecutive loss.
[11] Passage of an amendment allowing for Presidential tickets and the re-election of President Skidmore over scattered opposition





Anti-Federalist: 9c8f63
Yeoman/Yeomen and Machinists: 83bd8c
Arnold/Arnoldian/Hamiltonian-Arnoldian: 92a6c1
Federalist/New Federalist: cf7cb3
American Experiment: eaa052
High Federalist: dfa9cd
National System: cb8ec5
True Arnoldian: 6d88ac
Burrist: d77259
Working Men's: 8ba7ab
Constitution: a46bbb
 
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rosa

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1789 - 1793: General Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1788 def. Minister Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan), Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Governor George Clinton (Anti-Federalist)

1793 - XXXX: Vice President Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan)

1792 def. Senator Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Governor Thomas Pinckney (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Pres. Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)

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gentleman biaggi

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1789 - 1793: General Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1788 def. Minister Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan), Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Governor George Clinton (Anti-Federalist)

1793 - XXXX: Vice President Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan)

1792 def. Senator Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Governor Thomas Pinckney (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Pres. Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)

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that’s right ladies imma HIGH federalist 🚬
 

rosa

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1789 - 1793: General Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1788 def. Minister Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan), Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Governor George Clinton (Anti-Federalist)

1793 - XXXX: Vice President Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan)

1792 def. Senator Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Governor Charles C. Pinckney (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Pres. Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1796 def. Senator Aaron Burr (American Experiment), Justice Charles Lee (Federalist), Fmr. Secretary Thomas Jefferson (Yeoman), Fmr. Rep. James Warren (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Secretary Alexander Hamilton (Federalist)
 

rosa

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1789 - 1793: General Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1788 def. Minister Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan), Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Governor George Clinton (Anti-Federalist)

1793 - XXXX: Vice President Gilbert du Motier (Non-Partisan)

1792 def. Senator Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Governor Charles C. Pinckney (Non-Partisan), Fmr. Minister John Adams (Non-Partisan), Pres. Benedict Arnold (Non-Partisan)
1796 def. Senator Aaron Burr (American Experiment), Justice Charles Lee (Federalist), Fmr. Secretary Thomas Jefferson (Yeoman), Fmr. Rep. James Warren (Anti-Federalist), Fmr. Secretary Alexander Hamilton (Federalist)

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rosa

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Quick scenario:

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Dubya loses to Richards in 1994. It doesn't affect the '96 elections, but it does affect 2000. Jeb finally wins in '98, but Bush doesn't run again, and Richards narrowly slides into a third term. She runs in '00 against VP Gore and Senator Bradley, running a formidable campaign, but Gore manages to wins, and Richards ends up barely above Bradley in votes and delegates and is chosen as VP, a contentious pick, considering it was Mondale's play back in '84. The Republican primaries are chaotic, and many candidates end up winning primary states. Due to McCain's insistence that he stay in the race, it ends up being Dole v. McCain by the end of the primary season, despite the fact that he remains in fourth place by the time everyone else drops out. Dole narrowly wins a majority, avoiding a contested convention and picks Dancroft, a Midwestern Moderate to counter her own Conservativism. Throughout the campaign, Gore and Richards hit hard on Dole for being easily swayed on issues, for being weak, a Dole, etc and eventually win out, with a popular vote win of ~4% and are able to carry Texas by a fraction of a percent. You can give or take Florida. I may end up giving it to Gore, which would be 349-188
Why tf wouldn't Gore with TN?
 

rosa

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1845-1847: Fmr. Governor James K. Polk (Democratic)
1844 (with George M. Dallas) def. Fmr. Senator Henry Clay (Whig)
1847-1853: Vice President George M. Dallas (Democratic)
1848 (with Zachary Taylor) def. Sen. Daniel Webster (Whig), Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)

1853-1856: Vice President Zachary Taylor (Democratic)
1852 (with John B. Weller) def. Senator John P. Hale (Free Soil), Fmr. Gov. John J. Crittenden (Whig), Fmr. Senator Daniel Webster (Union), Fmr. Rep. W.L. Yancey (Southern Rights)
1856-1857: Vice President John B. Weller (Democratic)

1857-1861: Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1856 (with Cave Johnson) def. Fmr. Governor William A. Graham (Union), President John B. Weller (Ind. Democratic)

1861- 18XX: Vice President Cave Johnson (Democratic)
1860 (with George W. Cass) def. Gov. Sam Houston (Union), Rep. Charles F. Adams (Nationalist), Rep. Nathaniel P. Banks (Native American)
 

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1845-1847: Fmr. Governor James K. Polk (Democratic)
1844 (with George M. Dallas) def. Fmr. Senator Henry Clay (Whig)
1847-1853: Vice President George M. Dallas (Democratic)
1848 (with Zachary Taylor) def. Sen. Daniel Webster (Whig), Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)

1853-1856: Vice President Zachary Taylor (Democratic)
1852 (with John B. Weller) def. Senator John P. Hale (Free Soil), Fmr. Gov. John J. Crittenden (Whig), Fmr. Senator Daniel Webster (Union), Fmr. Rep. W.L. Yancey (Southern Rights)
1856-1857: Vice President John B. Weller (Democratic)

1857-1861: Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1856 (with Cave Johnson) def. Fmr. Governor William A. Graham (Union), President John B. Weller (Ind. Democratic)

1861- 18XX: Vice President Cave Johnson (Democratic)
1860 (with George W. Cass) def. Gov. Sam Houston (Union), Rep. Charles F. Adams (Nationalist), Rep. Nathaniel P. Banks (Native American)
the opposition just keeps losing huh :rolleyes::cool:

Did something happen between 1853 and 1857 that led to Van Buren being nominated and the Southern Rights party disappearing?
 

rosa

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the opposition just keeps losing huh :rolleyes::cool:

Did something happen between 1853 and 1857 that led to Van Buren being nominated and the Southern Rights party disappearing?
Van Buren being nominated happens because the Democratic Convention scraps the 2/3rds rule as some point, and Van Buren is able to portray himself as someone who wants to annex up to 54'40. Also, Weller just isn't great, and they need someone with high name recognition to avoid nominating him

As for the Southern Rights party, they were never that strong in the first place. They basically just stop winning states as it becomes clear expansion of Slavery in the West ain't gonna stop. Also doesn't help most SRP folks support Weller in 1856
 
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