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Nothing but Schadenfreude: A Test Thread

rosa

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I like this map, how'd you make it?
I don't wanna talk about it 😭

I took the Canadian census map of provinces and loaded it onto QGIS and, with the help of Pallas on AHC (aka Chicxulub on the other place), changed the projection to the same one used on US election maps. From there I took a screenshot, loaded it up in Inkscape and did my best to free hand trace Upper and Lower Canada and Newfoundland from a reference in another projection and then copied those new shapes over to my election file and fiddled with it until everything was mostly lined up and proportional. It was lengthy process lol
 

rosa

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Interesting. What's the Cosmopolitan-Populare split all about? City/townie vs rural?
So yeah, much like the OTL Federalist-Republican split, the Populares are pretty rural and pro-increased Democracy while the Cosmopolitans are pro-business and pro-big government in vague terms. The Cosmopolitans were the force that pushed for the monarchy, while the Populares were pretty uniformly opposed. They took their name from Jefferson's idolatry of the Roman Empire and have been on the decline since Jefferson left the party in the early 1800s and staged a short-lived insurrection with his new Localist party in DC following the Inauguration of President Burr
 

Lilitou

AHC: What if I was born a girl?
Location
Prezzagrad
Pronouns
she/her :)
So yeah, much like the OTL Federalist-Republican split, the Populares are pretty rural and pro-increased Democracy while the Cosmopolitans are pro-business and pro-big government in vague terms. The Cosmopolitans were the force that pushed for the monarchy, while the Populares were pretty uniformly opposed. They took their name from Jefferson's idolatry of the Roman Empire and have been on the decline since Jefferson left the party in the early 1800s and staged a short-lived insurrection with his new Localist party in DC following the Inauguration of President Burr
immediately based
 

rosa

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immediately based
Yes. Lafayette is an Independent but was endorsed by the Cosmopolitans in 1816 and 1820, although, there were "straight" Cosmopolitan tickets in both years as minor parties, mostly those who were fully opposed to Madison's War and especially after Lafayette finished the war after being elected for his first term
 

rosa

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2007 - 2007: House Speaker Dennis Hastert (Republican)
2007 - 2009: Vice President Condoleezza Rice (Republican)

2009 - 2017: Fmr. Vice President Al Gore (Democratic)
2008 (with Barack Obama) def. Rep. Ron Paul (Republican)
2012 (with Barack Obama) def. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson (Republican), Fmr. Mayor Michael Bloomberg (Independent)
 

gentleman biaggi

strange for a forty-eighter to hate protestants
Pronouns
he/they is fine
1921 - 1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1945 - 1972: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1972 - 1973: Gore Vidal (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1981 - XXXX: William Westmoreland (Independent)
daniel inouye goated
 

Luke_Starkiller

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1921 - 1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1945 - 1972: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1972 - 1973: Gore Vidal (Democratic)
1973 - 1981: Daniel Inouye (Democratic)
1981 - XXXX: William Westmoreland (Independent)
GOAT of all time Daniel Inouye would never willingly leave his office to a far lesser man
 

rosa

Well-known member
Stealing some ideas from @Mumby, @Comrade TruthTeller, and Enigma for this bad boy

1917 - 1921:
Justice Charles E. Hughes (Republican)
1916 (with Charles W. Fairbanks)[1] def. Pres. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)

1921 - 1946: Sec. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)[2][6]
1920
(with Lawrence Tyson) def. President Charles E. Hughes (Republican)
1924 (with Lawrence Tyson)[3] def. General Leonard Wood (Republican) (Replacing Theodore Roosevelt), Senator Robert M. LaFollette (National Progressive)
1928 (with Dan Moody)[4] def. Fmr. Governor Frank Lowden (Republican), Fmr. Director Herbert Hoover (Independent)
1932 (with Cordell Hull) def. Fmr. Director Herbert Hoover (Good Ideas), Fmr. Senator Henry Ford (Republican)
1936 (with Cordell Hull) def. Captain Quentin Roosevelt (Republican)
1940 (with Cordell Hull)[5] def. Senator Arthur Vandenburg (Republican), Mayor Fiorello La Guardia (Industrial Democracy)
1944 (with Lyndon B. Johnson) def. Mr. Kermit Roosevelt (Republican)

1946 - 1972: Vice Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)[7][13]
1948
(with Joseph C. O'Mahoney) def.
1952
(with Joseph C. O'Mahoney)[8] def.
1956
(with Oscar R. Ewing)[9] def.
1960
(with Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.)
1964 (with Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.)[10]
1968
(with Gore Vidal)[11]
1972
(with Daniel Inouye)[12] def.
1972 - 1973:
Vice Pres. Gore Vidal (Democratic)

1973 - 1981: Senator Daniel Inouye (Democratic)[14]
1972
(with Bronson LaFollette) def.
1976
(with Bronson LaFollette) def.

1981 - 1985: General William Westmoreland (Independent, endorsed by Republicans) [15]
1980
(with Wesley Clark) def.
1984
(with Wesley Clark) def.
1985 - 1989:
President William Westmoreland (Five Star)[16]

1989 - 1993:
Fmr. President Daniel Inouye (Democratic)

1988 (with Claudia A. Johnson) def. Fmr. Governor Benjamin B. Blackburn (Republican), Vice President Wesley Clark (Five Star)

[1] Died of Nephritis in 1918
[2] Former President Woodrow Wilson was the Democratic nominee, but died before the Electoral College met. Roosevelt received the highest amount of electors and subsequently won the contingent election
[3] Died in 1927, after declining to seek re-nomination
[4] Declined re-nomination in 1932, due to private (and later public) disagreement with Roosevelt's economic policies
[5] Declined re-nomination in 1944 due to health concerns
[6] Resigned shortly after the end of the Second Great War to take part in the United States' entry into Congress of Nations as the first Ambassador to the organization
[7] Although the term limits amendment was passed in 1947, the law did not prevent Johnson from pursuing further terms in office, due to a grandfather clause
[8] Declined re-nomination in 1956, due to disagreement with breaking the now forgotten two term precedent
[9] Assassinated by Communist guerrilas targeting Johnson in 1958
[10] Resigned to challenge Johnson in 1968
[11] Dropped from the ticket in 1972, due to, among many other issues, defense of Roman Polanski
[12] President Johnson won the Democratic nomination in 1972 but died just a few days after, leaving Vidal as President for several months and causing the DNC to select Inouye as its new emergency nominee
[13] Died from a heart attack in 1972
[14] Inouye was the first President to be affected by the term limit amendment, being required to step down after the end of his second term
[15] Successfully repealed the term limit amendment in wake of conflict with Communist China. Historians now speculate that this was an attempt to give Westmoreland authoritarian-like powers prior to his unsuccessful impeachment in 1987
[16] I promise there's a good reason for this name
[17] Despite being termed out of office in 1980, Inouye was able to make a return to the White House, thanks to his predecessor's repealing of the term limit amendment.
 

rosa

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1849 - 1850: General Zachary Taylor (Whig)
1848 (with Abe Lincoln) def. Senator Lewis Cass (Democratic), Fmr. Pres. Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1850 - 1857: Vice President Abe Lincoln (Whig)
1852 (with William Graham) def. Senator Sam Houston (Democratic)
 

rosa

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1845 - 1849: Senator Henry Clay (Whig)
1844 (with Theodore Frelinghuysen) def. Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Democratic), President John Tyler (Democratic-Republican)

1849 - 1853: Senator John J. Crittenden (Whig)
1848 (with Daniel Webster) def. Gov. James K. Polk (Democratic), Senator John C. Calhoun (Texas)

1853 - 1857: Senator William L. Macy (Democratic)
1852 (with Solomon W. Downs) def. Vice President Daniel Webster (Whig)

1857 - 1858: Fmr. President Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1858 - 1861: President Martin Van Buren (Independent)
1861 - 18XX: President Martin Van Buren (Whig)
1856 (with Abe Lincoln) def. Senator William H. Seward (Northern Whig), Governor Alexander H. Stephens (Southern Whig), Rep. Nathaniel P. Banks (Native American), Senator John A. Quitman (Southern Democratic)
1860 (with Abe Lincoln) def. Senator Stephen A. Douglas (Reform), Governor John C. Frémont (Native American), Senator James Buchanan (Democratic)
 

rosa

Well-known member
1825 - 1833: Speaker Henry Clay (Republican)
1826 - 1833: President Henry Clay (Nationalist)
1824 (with Nathan Sanford) def. Sec. John Q. Adams (Republican), Sec. William H. Crawford (Republican), Sec. John C. Calhoun (Republican), Justice Smith Thompson (Republican)
1828 (with Nathan Sanford) def. Fmr. Sec. William Crawford (Republican)
 
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Lilitou

AHC: What if I was born a girl?
Location
Prezzagrad
Pronouns
she/her :)
Very interesting. As always I'm asking from a place of ignorance when it comes to those states over yonder; but I was under the impression that Long was fairly anti-socialist, up to outright saying that his whole Share The Wealth schtick was more about preventing socialism than implementing it. How does that mesh with Farmer-Labor? Is Farmer-Labor that centre-leaning that it accepts that?
 

Wolfram

The possum is not OK. Neither are we.
Location
Space City USA
Pronouns
he/him
Very interesting. As always I'm asking from a place of ignorance when it comes to those states over yonder; but I was under the impression that Long was fairly anti-socialist, up to outright saying that his whole Share The Wealth schtick was more about preventing socialism than implementing it. How does that mesh with Farmer-Labor? Is Farmer-Labor that centre-leaning that it accepts that?
Huey Long said a lot of contradictory things, I suspect that he would say whatever he needed to for a national platform.
 
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