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No Operation Lustre, 1941

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After initial success in fighting off the Italian invasion of their territory, by early 1941 the Greeks were in dire straights. Simple economics-in terms of forces and industry behind them-painted the picture well enough but so too had their own success undone them; the Greek Army was over-extended outside of its prepared defenses and starting to suffer a crippling ammunition shortage. With no recourse, the Greece approached the UK asking for assistance, as such was essential to prevent their collapse and occupation by the Axis powers. Churchill was immediately quite taken by the idea, as it fit into his mindset of periphery operations to weaken the Germans as well as granted the British the propaganda value of having a continental ally. With Crete also in British hands, Romania and its oil supplies would also come into bombing range. All in all, it seemed like a brilliant scheme.

With his mind made up, Churchill ordered the diversion of two ANZAC divisions and an armored brigade to Greece, as well as supporting air elements. Wavell and other Commonwealth commanders were rightfully alarmed and protested the decision; the diversion of 60,000 troops, 100 tanks and 200 aircraft seriously undercut 8th Army just as Operation Compass was seeing results but also triggering serious Italian reinforcements. Even worse, Rommel and the first of what would become the Afrika Korps were starting to arrive on scene as well. The diversion in resources were also unlikely to achieve the desired results, as the Greeks had asked for nine divisions; what was sent was enough to compromise British operations in North Africa but not enough to secure Greece either. The end result was a predictable disaster on both fronts, with Greece as well as Crete falling into German hands and the British thrown back in North Africa.

Since that time, there has been considerable debate on the wisdom of this decision by Churchill and others. Given the gambit failed in its stated role and directly injured the British position in North Africa, it seems like a pretty obvious case of Churchillian hubris gone awry. I, however, have a different outlook on it and would posit this decision is probably what prevented the USSR from collapsing in 1941, thus allowing the Allies to win the war.

Martin Van Creveld's book Hitler's Strategy 1940-1941: the Balkan Clue argues that Operation Lustre engendered Hitler's decision in March to cancel the planned two-pronged attack by AGS into Ukraine then under planning. Hitler could see the same strategic value in Crete and Greece as the British could, and this provoked grave concern among the Germans that the British could threaten their Southern flank. As a result, 12th Army was diverted to the Balkans for an expanded operation against Greece and, as fate would have it, Yugoslavia. This left the less capable and prepared 11th Army to take their place, with no pincer taking place. Instead, a broad front advance was undertaken which ultimately failed to achieve the encirclements seen elsewhere in Operation Barbarossa and gave AGS a staggered start.

Had there been no Operation Lustre, AGS would've kept 12th Army and achieved a major encirclement in the opening days of Barbarossa whereby 6th, 12th and 26th Armies of the Soviet Southwestern Front would've destroyed. This would've left a gaping hole and seriously impeded Soviet defensive operations on this front, but also would have serious ramifications elsewhere; because of the situation of OTL, the Soviets were able to transfer forces from this sector to face Army Group Center. These were the 16th and 19th Armies, and they played a very serious role in extending out combat operations around Smolensk, inflicting serious attrition on Army Group Center. Here, because of the loss of the three border armies in the opening days, there is no possibility of this occurring due to the serious pressure the Soviets will be under.

The end result of this would thus be no Kiev diversion and Smolensk ending some weeks ahead of schedule, with Army Group Center in better shape than OTL. Operations to secure out the flanks in the North (Velikiye Luki) and South (Central Front) can be conducted handily, which by middle to late August enables AGC to begin a much earlier advance on Moscow as the railways become available. It is highly likely that both Kiev and Leningrad will fall in August or perhaps early September in the case of the latter, while Moscow will follow suit by mid September. By the time of the first snows, AGS can also secure Rostov and the Donets Basin as a whole, while AGN can link up with the Finns around the Svir River. This is fatal for the USSR, and will enable the Germans to complete their victory in 1942 by achieving the Archangelsk-Astrakhan Line, then moving onto the Urals sometime in 1943 or 1944. With the USSR out, the Anglo-Americans will seek an armistice, effectively ending WWII in Europe and setting the stage for a Nazi-American Cold War.

Maybe, perhaps, it wasn't such a folly by Churchill after all?
 
There is a tradition of seeing the battle for Greece as something that caused some fatal delays for Barbarossa - I know I've read Anthony Beevor arguing against it in his book on Crete though (I'll have to dig it out later to check his argument).
 
I'm immediately interested in the effects on the Mediterranean theatre. Without Lustre, the British can do more in North Africa. Without bringing the 12th Army south, how does this affect the 1941 invasion of Greece? Does the invasion of Yugoslavia still happen (probably) and if so how does that go without the 12th Army's help?

One example of changes is that, without the convoys carrying the British to Greece, the Italian fleet doesn't need to intercept them and thus there's no Battle of Cape Matapan; what does keeping hold of the three cruisers lost OTL enable?
 
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Okay, checking Beevor - and also seeing Metaxas's government wouldn't allow the RAF to menace the Romanian oilfields from Greek bases, out of fear of provoking Hitler (raising POD questions about what happens if he goes "fuck it, do it, Hitler will be provoked anyway") - and the Barbarossa bit is citing various other historians (one is Creveld), and basically the argument is the invasion was delayed by slow distribution of transport, Luftwaffe's "tardy preparation" of air bases in Poland, and oil. So it may not do much.

It also argues German involvement in Greece meant Stalin thought Hitler was looking towards Suez, not Russia (yet), so Germany ignoring Greece (as long as Metaxas keeps the oilfields safe) could mean Stalin is less caught out.

One other thing is, the book cover reminds me: oh yeah, a big mass of Luftwaffe people were involved in the seizure of Crete and died because the initial stages of the paratrooper landing were a bloodbath. Without the battle for Crete, they're all alive, some of them considered bright boys of planning, and paratrooper landings on that scale are still theoretical - what impact will that have on various battlefronts? Does it lead to successful shock landings? Does it lead to big German humiliations because they have the same problems with Crete but the enemy respond better and/or the landing is in even worse places or part of a bigger plan that absolutely requires the paratroopers to work so the next wave aren't shelled?
 
A scenario in which Germany's ignoring Greece, so long as Greece isn't being used as a base for the RAF, is one where the invasion of Greece is being done entirely by the Italians, who are a) getting whacked even harder in Africa & b) already failed at invading Greece the previous year. Mussolini is not gonna be having a good time.

Of course, if the Yugolav coup still occurs then the Germans are very likely going to have to invade the Balkans anyway, but without it (which could be the case if the British are very obviously not helping in the Balkans & thus could be at least a little delayed) the Greek position in Albania isn't made entirely redundant by panzers on the Vardar. It's less of an immediate investment for the Germans, but the threat of Brits in the Balkans is still there, and should Metaxas give in and/or the Yugoslav coup still happen that threat suddenly becomes very real.
 
A scenario in which Germany's ignoring Greece, so long as Greece isn't being used as a base for the RAF, is one where the invasion of Greece is being done entirely by the Italians, who are a) getting whacked even harder in Africa & b) already failed at invading Greece the previous year. Mussolini is not gonna be having a good time.

Begs question of how long the Italians keep it up. The smart decision would be to stop but Mussolini was Mussolini.
 
No Operation Lustre also has consequences for Africa - the Axis kicked out of Africa by the end of 41 most likely.

Suddenly the Med stays risky but it does become slightly more open. No siege of Malta or an absolute balls out attempt to take it.
 
Does it lead to big German humiliations because they have the same problems with Crete but the enemy respond better and/or the landing is in even worse places or part of a bigger plan that absolutely requires the paratroopers to work so the next wave aren't shelled?

No siege of Malta or an absolute balls out attempt to take it.
 

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On the subject of North Africa, I suspect the British will handle the hammer blow of the joint German-Italian offensives better but I sincerely doubt they will achieve the ejection of the Axis in 1941; Operation Compass was already over-extending its logistics and the Italians were rushing in 100,000+ reinforcements while the Afrika Korps was also starting to arrive in theater. The Commonwealth might be able to remain in Cyrenaica, at least for longer, but it doesn't seem likely they will achieve a decisive strategic success in this theater dramatically ahead of OTL's schedule.

On the subject of the Balkans, the issue isn't an earlier attack so much as it is a more powerful attack by the Germans; this divergence allows for the use of the following from the start of the attack:

2nd Panzer Division
5th Panzer Division
60th Infantry Division (Motorized)
5th Gebirgs Division
6th Gebirgs Division
46th Infantry Division
73rd Infantry Division
164th Infantry Division
183rd Infantry Division
294th Infantry Division
7th Flieger Division

Most likely, 11th Army takes over duties against Greece, as the Germans prior to Operation Lustre were preparing for a more limited advance designed to safeguard Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, rather than expending the energy and resources to fully overrun the nation themselves. The Greek over-extension and supply issues, coupled with Mussolini moving in fresh armies that allowed for a decisive advantage in all categories vis-a-vis the Greeks, meant their resistance was going to last much longer than OTL anyway. Speaking of Yugoslavia, I doubt there would be an invasion or Pro-Allied coupl, as the entire chain of events that led to that has been derailed.
 
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