Meppo's Electoral Molehill

[allthepresidentsmen]

he doesn't know about the eric adams sweep...

NYC mayor has always been a dead-end job though

see: giuliani, de blasio, etc

 

[Meppo]

generic FH American list to get the brain flow going

with apologies to @Comrade Izaac and most other people who came to this thread for less-than-Amerocentric content

[45] 2017 – 2021: Businessman Donald Trump (Republican | NY)
[46] 2021 – 2025: fmr. Vice President Joe Biden (Democratic | DE)
[47] 2025 – 2027: Governor of Michigan Gretchen Whitmer (Democratic | MI)
[48] 2027 – 2033: Vice President Ruben Gallego (Democratic | AZ)
[49] 2033 – present: U.S. Senator from New Hampshire Marilinda Garcia (Republican | NH)

2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)

'16 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic)​

2021-2025: Joe Biden (Democratic)

'20 (with Kamala Harris) def. Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)​

2025-2027: Gretchen Whitmer † (Democratic)

'24 (with Ruben Gallego) def. Ron DeSantis / Kim Reynolds (Republican)​

2027-2033: Ruben Gallego (Democratic)

'28 (with Jamaal Bowman) def. Sarah Huckabee Sanders / Mike Gallagher (Republican), Justin Amash / Bari Weiss (Independent)​

2033-present: Marilinda Garcia (Republican)

'32 (with Haraz Ghanbari) def. Ruben Gallego / Jamaal Bowman (Democratic)​

 

[Comrade Izaac]

with apologies to @Comrade Izaac and most other people who came to this thread for less-than-Amerocentric content

no please do post more Amerocentric content this shit also rocks

 

[Meppo]

no please do post more Amerocentric content this shit also rocks

as you may have noticed I really adore the concept of home states, even though they're not really applicable to most countries and don't even work all that well in the US' case

 

[Comrade Izaac]

as you may have noticed I really adore the concept of home states, even though they're not really applicable to most countries and don't even work all that well in the US' case

yeah it's an interesting cultural phenomon but u gotta understand that the United States, culturally, economically, and politically is more like a union of multiple individual regional nations than a proper country. the reason why home state and home region identity is so prominent here is because, for example, California and Mississippi are deeply different states even in their similarities. rather cool imo i understand ur fascination with it.

 

[Comrade Izaac]

2025-2027: Gretchen Whitmer † (Democratic)
'24 (with Ruben Gallego) def. Ron DeSantis / Kim Reynolds (Republican)2027-2033: Ruben Gallego (Democratic)
'28 (with Jamaal Bowman) def. Sarah Huckabee Sanders / Mike Gallagher (Republican), Justin Amash / Bari Weiss (Independent)2033-present: Marilinda Garcia (Republican)
'32 (with Vance Aloupis) def. Ruben Gallego / Jamaal Bowman (Democratic)

also... did i get this sort of right?

24'



28'



32'

 

[Meppo]

yeah it's an interesting cultural phenomon but u gotta understand that the United States, culturally, economically, and politically is more like a union of multiple individual regional nations than a proper country. the reason why home state and home region identity is so prominent here is because, for example, California and Mississippi are deeply different states even in their similarities. rather cool imo i understand ur fascination with it.

Russia could've been a little like this with less centralization of government over time, perhaps, but that particular phenomenon is probably not achievable now

at the moment — especially because of Putin in particular — we have a lot of people, especially governors, shuffled around between regions to a heavy degree

also... did i get this sort of right?

24'

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28'

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32'

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close enough that it works on its own, though I'd probably have Democratic Ohio and New Hampshire in '28 and Democratic Alaska and/or Republican Connecticut and Maine in '32

also how did you make these maps

 

[Meppo]

This is about as far as I can go with only OTL names

Members of the Council of the Central European Customs Union, c. 2022
Mitteleuropäische Zollverein - Közép-európai Vámunió - Srednjoeuropska Carinska Unija - Централноевропейски митнически съюз - Центральноєвропейський митний союз - etc.

Republic of Albania
President Tomor Dosti (Progressive Conservatives of Albania)
Centre-right to right-wing | Conservatism, liberal conservatism, pro-Zollverein

Archduchy of Austria
Chancellor Renate Reisinger (Austrian Democrats)
Centre-right | Liberalism, reformism, secularism, pro-Zollverein

Belarusian People's Republic
Prime Minister Jan Alfiorau (Belarusian Socialist Hramada)
Centre to centre-left | Social democracy, civic nationalism, Zollverein-skeptic, social conservatism

Kingdom of Belgium
Prime Minister Paul Magnette (Belgian Socialist Party)
Left-wing | Social democracy, progressivism, eco-socialism, pro-Zollverein

Tsardom of Bulgaria
Chairman of the Council of Ministers Stefan Yanev (National Democratic Party of Bulgaria) [1]
Right-wing | Big-tent, national conservatism, Bulgarian nationalism, pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Czechia
Prime Minister Jiří Dienstbier ml. (Czech Social Democratic Workers' Party)
Centre-left | Social democracy, pro-Zollverein, social liberalism

Kingdom of Denmark
Prime Minister Ida Auken (Social Democrats)
Centre-left | Social democracy, progressivism, pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Finland
Prime Minister Sauli Niinistö (National Coalition Party)
Centre-right | Big-tent, liberal conservatism, Christian democracy, statism, pro-Zollverein

French Fourth Republic
Prime Minister Marc Le Fur (Alliance for a Popular Republic)
Centre-right | Liberal conservatism, federalism, Christian democracy, pro-Zollverein

German Empire
Chancellor Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (Zentrum)
Centre-right to right-wing | Conservatism, Christian democracy, social conservatism, pro-interventionism, political Catholicism

Kingdom of Greece
Prime Minister Takis Theodorikakos (Popular Democratic Movement)
Right-wing | Conservatism, Christian democracy, social conservatism, pro-interventionism, pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Hungary
Prime Minister Lajos Orban (Christian Democratic Bloc)
Centre-right | Conservatism, Christian democracy, pro-Zollverein, political Catholicism, liberal conservatism [faction]

Kingdom of Illyria
Prime Minister Edin Forto (Most)
Centre | Centrism, social liberalism, secularism, civic nationalism (Illyrianism), pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Italy
Prime Minister Stefano Fassina (Social Democratic Party)
Left-wing | Social democracy, democratic socialism, civic nationalism, Zollverein-skeptic [faction]

Kingdom of Lithuania
Prime Minister Saulius Skvernelis (Lithuanian Democratic Union)
Centre | Social democracy, environmentalism, social conservatism

United States of Livonia
President Egils Levits (Constitutional Democratic Union — Livonian Way)
Centre | Conservative liberalism, civic nationalism, pro-Zollverein, Baltic German interests, social liberalism [faction]

Principality of Montenegro
Prime Minister Milo Brnović (Democratic Alliance)
Centre to centre-right | Big-tent, liberal conservatism, reformism, social conservatism, Montenegrin nationalism

Kingdom of the Netherlands
Prime Minister Thom de Graaf (Christian Democratic Union)
Centre-right | Christian democracy, social conservatism, Dutch nationalism, liberal conservatism [faction]

Republic of Poland
Prime Minister Barbara Nowacka (PPS – Polish Socialist Party)
Left-wing | Social democracy, social progressivism, civic nationalism, pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Romania
Prime Minister Alexandru Dragnea (People, Family, Fatherland)
Right-wing | Social conservatism, economic protectionism, Romanian nationalism, Zollverein-skeptic

Kingdom of Serbia
Prime Minister Nebojša Zelenović (Democratic Bloc "Together for Serbia")
Left-wing to centre | Big-tent, reformism, social democracy, republicanism, left-wing populism [faction]

Kingdom of Sweden
Prime Minister Lars Mikael Damberg (Swedish Social Democratic Workers' Party)
Centre to centre-left | Social democracy, pro-interventionism, pro-Zollverein

Kingdom of Ukraine
Prime Minister Oleh Liashko (AiDaR – Agrarian-Democratic Rukh) [1]
Right-wing | National conservatism, populism, agrarianism, Ukrainian nationalism

[1] Officially independent, as the constitutions of Bulgaria and Ukraine bar heads of government from leading a political party.

 

[Meppo]

2005-2009: John F. Kerry (Democratic)

'04 (with John Edwards) def. George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)​

2009-2013: John McCain (Republican)

'08 (with Matt Blunt) def. John F. Kerry / Janet Napolitano (Democratic), Ralph Nader / Matt Gonzalez (Green)​

2013-2021: Russ Feingold (Democratic)

'12 (with Blanche Lincoln) def. John McCain / Matt Blunt (Republican)​

'16 (with Blanche Lincoln) def. Matt Blunt / Peter Pace (Republican)​

2021-2025: Blanche Lincoln (Democratic)

'20 (with Mike Villarreal) def. Matt Bevin / Martha McSally (Republican)​

2025-present: Matt Bevin (Republican)

'24 (with Lee Zeldin) def. Mike Villarreal / Toi Hutchinson (Democratic), Michael Bloomberg / Michael Mullen (American Solutions)​

It isn't long before this lurking group — of weary libertarians and new America Firsters, of twenty-something year old Orban, Ziobro and Volodin admirers and their loaded whisperers — finally coalesced around a single man, a Senate maverick much like the 45th President (though far from the same ideological bent), speaking on the same stage as Peter Thiel, who would worm his way into Bevin's shadow cabinet not too long after.

Pundits generally concluded that Vice President Lincoln's narrow victory in 2020 merely staved off his ultimate triumph: the new SARS strain, the debacle surrounding ex-Sec. of State Richardson and his "renegade diplomacy", the alleged crime and corruption epidemic in New York that energized local Republicans, and Lincoln's weariness and personal conservatism (and thus conflicts with more ideologically modern Democrats) all contributed to her downfall.

 

[Meppo]

worlds with secret talking animal societies be like

A Pigeon Wearing A Tiny 'Backpack' Carrying Meth Was Caught In A BC Prison Yard

 

[Meppo]

today's extremely obscure Russian politician: Yury Clegg (b. 11 September 1950)

Member of the Legislative Assembly of Vladimir Oblast (1996-2005) and of the Gus-Khrustalny municipal raion soviet from 2020 until his retirement in 2021, Yury was born to Jim Clegg and Nina Pavlova as the descendant of a British textile worker who came to the growing industrial town around 1900, at the invitation of Russian textile magnate Savva Morozov. Yury Clegg worked as the CEO of a corporate group including one of the lead glass factories he was in charge of in Soviet times, and was briefly a candidate to lead Vladimir Oblast's boxing federation in 2001 as well as candidate for Mayor in 2013. There really isn't much to go off here - his name doesn't show up even on compromat aggregators.

 

[Comrade Izaac]

today's extremely obscure Russian politician: Yury Clegg (b. 11 September 1950)

Member of the Legislative Assembly of Vladimir Oblast (1996-2005) and of the Gus-Khrustalny municipal raion soviet from 2015 until his retirement in 2021, Yury was born to Jim Clegg and Nina Pavlova as the descendant of a British textile worker who came to the growing industrial town around 1900, at the invitation of Russian textile magnate Savva Morozov. Yury Clegg worked as the CEO of a corporate group including one of the lead glass factories he was in charge of in Soviet times, and was briefly a candidate to lead Vladimir Oblast's boxing federation in 2001 as well as candidate for Mayor in 2013. There really isn't much to go off here - his name doesn't show up even on compromat aggregators.

do we know what party he hails from? seems like a good fit for either United Russia or the CPRF

 

[Meppo]

do we know what party he hails from? seems like a good fit for either United Russia or the CPRF

Both of them, actually.

At the very least, he got elected in 2015 to the Krasnoye Ekho municipal council as a UR candidate and in 2020 to the Gus-Khrustalny municipal council as a CPRF candidate. I'd check the Legislative Assembly site too but for some reason they don't give party affiliations for the deputies of the second and third convocation.

 

[Meppo]

honestly I'm not particularly certain about any of these

TL where Vitaly Milonov is (ostensibly) on the side of the libs

1996-2004: Gennady Zyuganov (CPRF)

'96 def. Anatoly Sobchak (Independent), Aleksandr Lebed (KRO), Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)​

'00 def. Boris Nemtsov (Union of Right Forces), Aleksandr Lebed (KRO), Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko)​

2004-2010: Galina Starovoitova ☠ (Democratic Choice)

'04 def. Yury Maslyukov (CPRF), Yury Luzhkov (Fatherland – All Russia), Oleg Malyshkin (LDPR)​

'08 def. Pyotr Sumin (CPRF), Boris Gromov (Fatherland), Georgy Shpak (KRO)​

2010-2014: Aleksandr Pochinok ✞ (Democratic Choice)

'12 def. Sergei Glazyev (People's Power), Aleksandr Tkachyov (KRO), Aleksandr Khinstein (Independent), Mikhail Balakin (Citizens' Coalition)​

2014-2016: Mikhail Kasyanov (Democratic Choice)
2016-present: Sergei Levchenko (People's Power)

'16 def. Mikhail Kasyanov (Democratic Choice), Aleksandr Khinstein (Rule of Law), Vladimir Ryzhkov (Social Democratic), Andrei Savelyev (KRO)​

'20 def. Dmitry Chernyshevsky (Democratic Choice), Rustem Bulatov (New Left Front)​

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kuzbass type beat

1995-1996: Viktor Chernomyrdin (Independent)
1996-2000: Viktor Chernomyrdin (Our Home – Russia)

'96 def. Gennady Zyuganov (CPRF), Aleksandr Lebed (KRO), Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)​

2000-2008: Aman Tuleyev (People's Patriotic Union)

'00 def. Yevgeny Bushmin (Our Home – Russia), Lev Rokhlin (Movement in Support of the Army), Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPR)​

'04 def. Boris Nemtsov (Union of Democratic Forces), Konstantin Titov (Voice of Russia), Teimuraz Avaliani (Labour Russia), Viktor Aksyuchits (Independent)​

2008-2011: Vladimir Shamanov (People's Patriotic Union)

'08 def. Irina Khakamada (Solidarity '08), Vladimir Tikhonov (Labour Russia) ​

2011-2012: Oleg Sheyin (Labour Front)
2012-2017: Vladimir Milov (Solidarity – Democratic Choice)

'12 def. Mikhail Yevdokimov (New Agrarian), Oleg Sheyin (Labour Front), Orkhan Dzhemal (Independent), Georgy Boos (Fatherland)​

2017-present: Oleg Tinkov (Just Like Everyone – Tinkov Bloc)

'17 def. Vladimir Milov (Solidarity – Democratic Choice), etc.​

 

[Time Enough]

kuzbass type beat

Oh god, Russia’s having a fun 00s it seems.

2011-2012: Oleg Sheyin (Labour Front)

Let me guess, some kind of Colour Revolution leads to fun times for Russia and it’s ‘Left’.

2017-present: Oleg Tinkov (Just Like Everyone – Tinkov Bloc)
'17 def. Vladimir Milov (Democratic Choice), etc.

Okay, I like this. The funny thing is he would probably be, meh at best. This is fun.

 

[Meppo]

Oh god, Russia’s having a fun 00s it seems.

very much so

Let me guess, some kind of Colour Revolution leads to fun times for Russia and it’s ‘Left’.

As a notable deputy in the State Duma and key leader of the anti-Tuleyev left after Teimuraz Avaliani's retirement Oleg Sheyin is the man who becomes Acting President amidst the December Revolution.

Okay, I like this. The funny thing is he would probably be, meh at best. This is fun.

One of a kind

 

[Time Enough]

As a notable deputy in the State Duma and key leader of the anti-Tuleyev left after Teimuraz Avaliani's retirement Oleg Sheyin is the man who becomes Acting President amidst the December Revolution.

Fun, I do find it funny how A Just Russia just has these like, relatively normal Social Democratic/Democratic Socialist types mixed in with like Pro-Putin Headbangers.

But yeah, Oleg is cool. Any other Trade Unionist/Social Democratic Democracy types you know of?

One of a kind

The funny thing with Business men like him is that he probably would just turn Russia into a Giant Czech Republic if given the chance.

 

[Meppo]

Any other Trade Unionist/Social Democratic Democracy types you know of?

Alexei Etmanov comes to mind?

And I guess Mikhail Lobanov and Kirill Ukraintsev of the "Courier" trade union, though they're probably more appropriate for FH TLs.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Alexei Etmanov comes to mind?

And I guess Mikhail Lobanov and Kirill Ukraintsev of the "Courier" trade union, though they're probably more appropriate for FH TLs.

I have to say-I've always been impressed with how you manage to infer people's potential (future or ATL) genuine political positions, when all you have access to for evidence is a political system that seeks to strip as much meaning out of ideology and politics as it possibly can.

 

[Meppo]

some minor musings and adjustments in regards to Polignacato

also testing out some formats

Presidents of the Confederate States of America
1861-1868: George W. Randolph (Nonpartisan)

- First War of Northern Aggression (1861 - 1863): Confederate States of America def. United States of America​

1861 (with Louis T. Wigfall) def. unopposed​

1868-1872: Gustave Toutant-Beauregard ("New Orleans Consensus")

1867 (with Henry A. Wise) def. John C. Breckinridge / Judah P. Benjamin ("Richmond Consensus"), Alexander H. Stephens / Robert M. T. Hunter ("Atlanta Consensus"), Robert Rhett / John J. Pettus ("Fire-Eater" | "Quitmanite")​

1872-1874: Henry A. Wise ("New Orleans Consensus", then Southron)
1874-1880: Fitzhugh Lee (Jeffersonian)

1873 (with Wade Hampton III) def. John H. Reagan / Joseph E. Brown (Southron)​

1880-1883: James Longstreet (Southron, then National Union)

1879 (with Zebulon B. Vance) def. Wade Hampton III / James B. Beck (Jeffersonian)​

- Monterrey War (1880 - 1882): Second Mexican Empire | France | CSA | United Kingdom def. Mexican republicans | USA​

- 1882: Hampton Coup; beginning of the War of the Manumission (1882 - 1885)​

1883-1886: Charles Jacques Villeré (National Union)

Commanders-in-Chief of the Army of the Confederate Constitution​

1882-1885: Wade Hampton III ("Fire-Eater" | Constitutionalist)​

1885: Jubal Early ("Fire-Eater" | Constitutionalist)​

1885: Joseph Wheeler (Constitutionalist)​

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Presidents of the Lowcountry Republic​

1883-1885: Robert Smalls (Nonpartisan)​

While the Shreveport Constitution retained quite a few of the trappings of the Montgomery one — such as the specified protection of state Representation but not Suffrage — it was a considerable departure from its U.S.-inspired predecessor in spirit. Its most notable feature is and remains the transformation of Presidency into the Archonate; already a fairly powerful position in the allegedly decentralized Confederacy, the executive has seen a further investment of powers. Where the Montgomery Constitution bound the President with a single six-year term, Shreveport instead allowed an unlimited number of ten-year terms, bound not specifically by direct elections but by a Congressional vote. The idea of a "Hamiltonian executive" had seen some support earlier: for one, future President P. G. T. Beauregard suggested that Robert E. Lee be made president-for-life, and several bills on that regard were proposed in the 1870s, with Congressman John Eakin arguing that "a widely revered executive independent of mob caprice", preferrably selected from major plantation families, would actually pave the way for a strengthened Congress. Regardless, it was not considered a serious matter until the 1885 Shreveport Convention; by the time the elder de Polignac finally passed away, the power of the Archon and the military-aristocratic establishment that arose during his reign was so entrenched that Congressional approval mattered little.

Archons of the Confederacy of Dixie
1886-1913: Camille de Polignac (National Union)

1885 def. unopposed​

1895 def. unopposed​

1905 def. unopposed​

1913-1918: Armand de Polignac (National Union)

1913 def. Thomas G. Jefferson (National Union)​

- Global War (1914 - 1918): France | Austria | CSA | Mexico | Ottoman Empire et al. def. by Russia | Prussia | USA | Italy et al.​

- 1918: Blue Bonnet Revolution; assassination of Armand de Polignac, Treaty of Atlanta, beginning of the Southron Troubles (1918 - 1923)​

1918: LeRoy Percy (National Union)
1918-1920: John H. Bankhead (National Union)
1920: Bernard L. Baruch (National Union)
1920-1923: Richmond P. Hobson (Nonpartisan)

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Commanders-in-Chief of the White Leagues of the Knights of Dixie​

1918-1919: James H. Tillman (Knights of Dixie) as Gov. of South Carolina​

1919-1922: Nathan Bedford Forrest II (Knights of Dixie)​