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lol. How is it not?lol no. trust me.
lol. How is it not?lol no. trust me.
Ellen literally helps Reagan commit war crimes on the Moon, and this literally never brought up again nor is she criticized for it. She's a Republican who is whitewashed to be socially liberal even though Lee motherfucking Atwater helped start her political career.lol. How is it not?
And the 'neoliberalism', is it in the room with us now?Ellen literally helps Reagan commit war crimes on the Moon, and this literally never brought up again nor is she criticized for it. She's a Republican who is whitewashed to be socially liberal even though Lee motherfucking Atwater helped start her political career.
Yes. It is. I literally just described it lol.And the 'neoliberalism', is it in the room with us now?
That's not neoliberalism in any meaningful sense.Yes. It is. I literally just described it lol.
But you didn't? And you ignored large swathes of the show to pretend it's something other than just poor writingYes. It is. I literally just described it lol.
Sounds a bit like another Ronald D. Moore non-Star Trek effort.When I asked about the shift in tone, I was asking more about the move from grounded hard science fiction with serious dramatic tone towards a more melodramatic, soap-opera style. I've seen that mentioned in comments about the progress of the show across the seasons, especially season three, but haven't watched the show myself, so I was curious about that element.
The melodrama of Season 2 does explode and become the primary fixation of S3; not that said melodrama is bad at first, but by the finale you do start to see a lot of bits and pieces of more interesting threads that were truncated or left undeveloped due to fighting for space with legacy plotlines and their melodrama (the gay astronaut comes to mind). The hard science does suffer in this- lots of very interesting spec fic ideas, like the space hotels, divided moon, helium production, solar sails, etc. are sadly forgone for a few too many 'oopsie in space' style gut punchesWhen I asked about the shift in tone, I was asking more about the move from grounded hard science fiction with serious dramatic tone towards a more melodramatic, soap-opera style. I've seen that mentioned in comments about the progress of the show across the seasons, especially season three, but haven't watched the show myself, so I was curious about that element.
Please continue to debate neoliberalism if you guys want, though, of course.
Ah, then tis as @RyanF says. Oh well.The melodrama of Season 2 does explode and become the primary fixation of S3; not that said melodrama is bad at first, but by the finale you do start to see a lot of bits and pieces of more interesting threads that were truncated or left undeveloped due to fighting for space with legacy plotlines and their melodrama (the gay astronaut comes to mind). The hard science does suffer in this- lots of very interesting spec fic ideas, like the space hotels, divided moon, helium production, solar sails, etc. are sadly forgone for a few too many 'oopsie in space' style gut punches
It's not bad bad but the finale really should have been the Mars landing (which comes mid-season), and the Stevens boys don't really get an independent storyline- Danny is tied to Ed, while Jimmy is never given the space to develop into, well,Ah, then tis as @RyanF says. Oh well.
Making Ellen President is easily one of the worst decisions the show has made.mainly Ed and Ellen
I voted for her!Making Ellen President is easily one of the worst decisions the show has made.
Not really- Ellen becoming President tracks, but it was largely unnecessary to actually have her Presidency become a focal narrarive arc, instead of shifting into a background detail that could payoff down the line, that was the problemMaking Ellen President is easily one of the worst decisions the show has made.
I think the whole coming out plotline didn't need to ... exist, personally. It would've been far more interesting for Ellen to have a corruption arc as President ― they set something like that up with her paling around with Atwater and Reagan.Not really- Ellen becoming President tracks, but it was largely unnecessary to actually have her Presidency become a focal narrarive arc, instead of shifting into a background detail that could payoff down the line, that was the problem
I think the whole coming out plotline didn't need to ... exist, personally.
I think the whole coming out plotline didn't need to ... exist, personally. It would've been far more interesting for Ellen to have a corruption arc as President ― they set something like that up with her paling around with Atwater and Reagan.
It'd make more sense for Ellen's sexuality being revealed ala a Lewinsky esque scandal.
I just think it wasn't handled tastefully, speaking as a queer woman myself.Ellen coming out in the most spectacular way possible is really the only way her story could go!
I get what you mean, but this is also literally what I mean as well- I just don't think Ellen's arc is especially well developed, and I think the space she consumed should have been taken by our new charecter crop while she's more of a spectre haunting the background.I think the whole coming out plotline didn't need to ... exist, personally. It would've been far more interesting for Ellen to have a corruption arc as President ― they set something like that up with her paling around with Atwater and Reagan.
It'd make more sense for Ellen's sexuality being revealed ala a Lewinsky esque scandal.