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Discuss this interview with @Sideways here
So "There's a reason 'Red White and Royal Blue' by Casey McQuiston hasn't generated much attention in the community despite being a best seller - and I think part of it is that we aren't primed to see an LGBT Romance novel written by a woman as legitimate AH."
I see what Lena is saying here but, to semi prove her point, I also strongly think Casey's book isn't 'legitimate AH'.
am gonna be a pain and plug the writers I compliment is this @Ed Costello , @Time Enough , @Mumby , @zaffre , @Uhura's Mazda and I realise the Darling Buds of May was published as https://www.sealionpress.co.uk/product-page/the-darling-buds-express so sorry for not linking that up
Just finished reading it and I have say wasn’t expecting to be mentioned and be praised like that. It was very nice. Glad you enjoy my lists, there useful for keeping my writing brain occupied whilst I’m dealing with various bits of work.am gonna be a pain and plug the writers I compliment is this @Ed Costello , @Time Enough , @Mumby , @zaffre , @Uhura's Mazda and I realise the Darling Buds of May was published as https://www.sealionpress.co.uk/product-page/the-darling-buds-express so sorry for not linking that up
Amusingly one of my next planned projects to be done hopefully as a Novel Writing November challenge, is a LGBT+ Romance Adventure Road Trip thing set in the 1940s, essentially my attempt at a Gay Porco Rosso as it were. So yeah, hopefully you enjoy that when I’m doing it.
No pressure and all that.gosh NaNoWriMo is coming up and for the first time in 6 years I don't have a novel to write anyway so I could do it... gonna have to come up with some ideas...
I used to engage with someone like that at the other place, an outspoken social conservative and strong opponent of bodily autonomy who later came out as a trans woman.Lexie was me exploring the mindset of what people in the trans community call "bootlickers" - trans people who actively advocate for movements that are opposed to trans rights. I wanted to explore the motivations and personality of people like that. I feel it often comes down to the kind of compromises we make during transition. Like, say you grow up hearing about how bad trans people are - most trans people do. When you transition you might think "I'll transition, but I won't be like those trans women who do things I've always believed are bad".
I've been eagerly anticipating this going up, mostly because @Sideways gives thoughtful and interesting answers but also partly because I respectively disagree with a bit of it and want to get my rebuttal in.
So "There's a reason 'Red White and Royal Blue' by Casey McQuiston hasn't generated much attention in the community despite being a best seller - and I think part of it is that we aren't primed to see an LGBT Romance novel written by a woman as legitimate AH."
I see what Lena is saying here but, to semi prove her point, I also strongly think Casey's book isn't 'legitimate AH'.
Red, White and Royal Blue is a romance between the son of the US president and a British Prince. But the US president in question is a fictional one, Ellen Claremont, as is the Prince.
To me AH is about twisting established historical characters not just adding new ones. If this is AH because Ellen is president and not Donald Trump than Inspector Morse is AH because Morse is not the real police inspector in oxford. By that definition, a fictional character holds a real person's job instead of that person, all fiction is AH, and its too broad a definition to be useful.
Now if Red, White and Royal Blue used an actual real royal prince and Alexander Warren, that would pass through my gate keeping hoops. But that book would be considered bad taste and possibly be sued. Which is why I think a book like this has to distance itself from real figures and so AH.
But I think that's more the writers decision than the communities.
I think this is really fair - and thanks for a balanced response. For me, a key feature of the alternate history I really enjoy is that it raises a mirror to the real world. I feel Red White and Royal Blue was read like that in the initial reviews and does count. It wasn't just a fictionalised version of reality - like say if they'd had Ronald Crump - a far right guy with bad hair. It was a novel about a world where a female Democrat won the presidential election in 2016 - I feel that people reading this in 2019 would definitely recognise a what if there, even if its in a fictionalised form.
So, very very soft AH - I feel like the reviews I read at the time very much saw it as... if not a counterfactual then at least the kind of escapist AH we get when someone writes a "what if my country and the things I like did better" kind of thing. Soft AH in the same way that, say, The Man in the High Castle is soft - so detached from reality as to render its historical accuracy irrelevant but that's not the only purpose of AH and now I feel I need to, like, do a review of it or something
Personally I'm a bit surprised that Byzantium and Byzantium-inspired settings haven't already become a bigger part of mainstream historical fiction and med-fan media. There were trailblazers such as Guy Gavriel Kay with his Sarantine Mosaic duology and the aesthetic choices in the Ghibli adaptation of Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea series, but so far it hasn't come out in a big way yet.The reference to a recent fascination with Byzantium is intriguing - it resonates with me because I also got hooked on the Comnene dynasty in the C12th despite not knowing a great deal about it, possibly for its mixture of visible court grandeur, a magnificent Eastern Mediterranean civilization with Roman heritage plus (much more powerful than in modern times) Orthodox Christian self-confidence, and intense inter-dynastic skulduggery which would now draw the same fanbase as 'Game of Thrones'.
Related somewhat to this - I once learned that this series is a thing, and I've never once seen it discussed in our circles.
A fascinating insight into the circumstances of and possible therapeutic benefits of taking up AH in one writer's case; thanks for the frankness. The reference to a recent fascination with Byzantium is intriguing - it resonates with me because I also got hooked on the Comnene dynasty in the C12th despite not knowing a great deal about it, possibly for its mixture of visible court grandeur, a magnificent Eastern Mediterranean civilization with Roman heritage plus (much more powerful than in modern times) Orthodox Christian self-confidence, and intense inter-dynastic skulduggery which would now draw the same fanbase as 'Game of Thrones'.
the sheer 'alienness' of it to the society I lived in and my deeply conventional classmates was a big part of the appeal.
Arguably our - real - 'Climate Crisis Century' - with its escalating chain of interlinked crises is going to need a lot more of this sort of bold planning, as now the nature of the next crisis cannot be predicted very easily and quick thinking will be needed. Not a leisurely 6-week ruling party election process while prices shoot up and the PM goes on a farewell tour like a retiring rocker.
It was a novel about a world where a female Democrat won the presidential election in 2016 - I feel that people reading this in 2019 would definitely recognise a what if there, even if its in a fictionalised form.