CanadianTory's Test Thread

[CanadianTory]

Updated with the logos for the leadership campaigns, as well as the 2019 Tory leadership box.

 

[CanadianTory]

Spoiler: Logos

 

[Kaddeus]

Michael Lee would be a star candidate in Vancouver Granville, I assume?

 

[CanadianTory]

Michael Lee would be a star candidate in Vancouver Granville, I assume?

He ran for the Tories in Vancouver Quadra (Which belonged to his old boss Campbell) in 2017. He did not run in 2019. Where he runs next time...who knows.

 

[CanadianTory]

Spoiler: Map

 

[Bonniecanuck]

Interesting choice with Keesmaat, but also logical enough that she succeeds Topp since he was her campaign manager for her mayoral run. Interesting that outside Montreal the NDP under her seems to be better performing in rural areas than urban ones though, I take it a strongly urban-oriented platform doesn't go down well with suburbanites and NIMBYs.

 

[CanadianTory]

A slightly different take on the Premiers of Ontario for my Demand Better scenario. The original draft is in my test thread at the other place.

Premiers of Ontario
Ernie Eves (Progressive Conservative) 2002 - 2003
Dalton McGuinty (Liberal) 2003 - 2013
-03: Ernie Eves (Prog. Conservative), Howard Hampton (New Democratic)
-07 (min.): Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Howard Hampton (New Democratic), Frank de Jong (Green)
-10: Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Andrea Horwath (New Democratic)
Sandra Pupatello (Liberal) 2013 - 2014
Kellie Leitch (Progressive Conservative) 2014 - 2024
-14 (min.): Sandra Pupatello (Liberal), Andrea Horwath (New Democratic)
-16: Andrea Horwath (New Democratic), Belinda Stronach (Liberal)
-20: Andrea Horwath (New Democratic), Charles Sousa (Liberal), Mike Schreiner (Green)
Yvan Baker (Liberal) 2024 - present
-24: Kellie Leitch (Prog. Conservative), Jagmeet Singh (New Democratic), Mike Schreiner (Green)

 

[True Grit]

Baker’s a nice choice - definitely someone who would’ve had a prominent role had 2018 not been a blowout.

 

[CanadianTory]

Premiers of Quebec
Jean Charest (Liberal) 2003 - 2012
-03: Bernard Landry (Parti Québécois), Mario Dumont (Action démocratique)
-07: Mario Dumont (Action démocratique), André Boisclair (Parti Québécois)
-11 (min): Pauline Marois (Parti Québécois), Mario Dumont (Action démocratique), Françoise David and Amir Khadir (Québec solidaire)
Gilles Duceppe (Parti Québécois) 2012 - 2016
-12: Jean Charest (Liberal), François Legault (Coalition Avenir Québec), Gérard Deltell (Action démocratique), Françoise David and Amir Khadir (Québec solidaire)
Philippe Couillard (Liberal) 2016 - 2021
-16 (min): François Legault (Coalition Avenir Québec), Gilles Duceppe (Parti Québécois), Françoise David and Andrés Fontecilla (Québec solidaire), Maxime Bernier (Conservative)
-17: François Legault (Coalition Avenir Québec), Manon Massé (Québec solidaire), Jean-Martin Aussant (Parti Québécois), Maxime Bernier (Conservative)
Pierre Karl Peladeau (Coalition Avenir Quebec) 2021 - present
-21: Philippe Couillard (Liberal), Manon Massé (Québec solidaire), Maxime Bernier (Conservative), Paul St-Pierre Plamondon (Parti Québécois)

 

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Maxime Bernier (Conservative)

ohoho

 

[CanadianTory]

ohoho

I actually have Beauce going Liberal in 2006. Now whether that’s because Bernier loses or opts against running, I haven’t decided yet. But he does run for the ADQ in 2007, getting elected as the MNA for Beauce-Sud. Gets re-elected a couple times, narrowly loses to Deltell for the leadership of the party, and rather than go along with the merger he forms his own party.

So, shades of OTL, but provincial.

 

[CanadianTory]

Premiers of Alberta
Ralph Klein (Progressive Conservative) 1992 - 2006
-04: Kevin Taft (Liberal), Brian Mason (New Democratic), Randy Thorsteinson (Alberta Alliance)
Jim Dinning (Progressive Conservative) 2006 - 2011
-08: Kevin Taft (Liberal), Paul Hinman (Wildrose Alliance), Brian Mason (New Democratic)
Gary Mar (Progressive Conservative) 2011 - 2012
Danielle Smith (Wildrose; later Alberta Conservative) 2012 - 2018
-12 (min.): Gary Mar (Prog. Conservative), Brian Mason (New Democratic), Raj Sherman (Liberal), Glenn Taylor (Alberta)
-14: James Rajotte (Prog. Conservative), Brian Mason (New Democratic), Raj Sherman (Liberal), Glenn Taylor (Alberta)
-18 (min.): Rachel Notley (New Democratic), Stephen Mandel (Alberta), David Yager (Freedom Alliance), David Khan (Liberal)
Rachel Notley (New Democratic w/ Alberta Party Supply and Confidence) 2018 - 2021
Brian Jean (Alberta Conservative) 2021 - 2024
-21: Rachel Notley (New Democratic), Derek Fildebrandt (Freedom Alliance), Stephen Mandel (Alberta)
Nathan Cooper (Alberta Conservative) 2024 - present

 

[CanadianTory]

Premiers of New Brunswick
Bernard Lord (Progressive Conservative) 1999 - 2009
-99: Camille Thériault (Liberal), Elizabeth Weir (New Democratic)
-03: Shawn Graham (Liberal), Elizabeth Weir (New Democratic)
-06: Shawn Graham (Liberal), Allison Brewer (New Democratic)
Brad Green (Progressive Conservative) 2009 - 2010
Victor Boudreau (Liberal) 2010 - 2014
-10: Brad Green (Prog. Conservative), Dennis Atchison (New Democratic)
Robert MacLeod (Progressive Conservative) 2014 - 2018
-14: Victor Boudreau (Liberal), David Coon (Green), Dennis Atchison (New Democratic), Rick DeSaulniers (Populist)
Brian Gallant (Liberal) 2018 - 2024
-18: Robert MacLeod (Prog. Conservative), David Coon (Green), Rick DeSaulniers (Populist), Chris Collins (Community)
-22 (min.): Brian Macdonald (Prog. Conservative), David Coon (Green), Jason Godin (New Democratic), Rick DeSaulniers (Populist)
Brian Macdonald (Progressive Conservative) 2024 - present
-24: Brian Gallant (Liberal), David Coon (Green), Rick DeSaulniers (Populist)

Premiers of Nova Scotia
John Hamm (Progressive Conservative) 1999 - 2006
-99: Robert Chisholm (New Democratic), Russell MacLellan (Liberal)
-03 (min.): Darrell Dexter (New Democratic), Danny Graham (Liberal)
Rodney MacDonald (Progressive Conservative) 2006 - 2010
-06: Darrell Dexter (New Democratic), Francis MacKenzie (Liberal)
Darrell Dexter (New Democratic) 2010 - 2012
-10 (min.): Rodney MacDonald (Prog. Conservative), Stephen McNeil (Liberal)
Stephen McNeil (Liberal) 2012 - 2021
-12: Darrell Dexter (New Democratic), Jamie Baillie (Prog. Conservative)
-16: Jamie Baillie (Prog. Conservative), Gary Burrill (New Democratic)
-20 (min.): Chris d'Entremont (Prog. Conservative), Gary Burrill (New Democratic)
Kelly Regan (Liberal) 2021 - 2023
Chris d'Entremont (Progressive Conservative) 2023 - present
-23: Claudia Chender (New Democratic), Kelly Regan (Liberal)

Premiers of Newfoundland & Labrador
Danny Williams (Progressive Conservative) 2003 - 2013
-03: Roger Grimes (Liberal), Jack Harris (New Democratic)
-07: Gerry Reid (Liberal), Lorraine Michael (New Democratic)
-11: Lorraine Michael (New Democratic), Kevin Aylward (Liberal)
Darin King (Progressive Conservative) 2013 - 2015
Gerry Byrne (Liberal) 2015 - 2024
-15: Darin King (Prog. Conservative), Earle McCurdy (New Democratic)
-19: Keith Hutchings (Prog. Conservative), Alison Coffin (New Democratic)
-23 (min.): Tony Wakeham (Prog. Conservative), Alison Coffin (New Democratic)
Lisa Dempster (Liberal) 2024 - present

Premiers of Prince Edward Island
Pat Binns (Progressive Conservative) 1996 - 2007
-96: Keith Milligan (Liberal), Herb Dickieson (New Democratic)
-00: Wayne Carew (Liberal), Herb Dickieson (New Democratic)
-03: Robert Ghiz (Liberal)
Robert Ghiz (Liberal) 2007 - 2016
-07: Pat Binns (Prog. Conservative)
-11: Olive Crane (Prog. Conservative)
-15: James Aylward (Prog. Conservative), Michael Redmond (New Democratic), Peter Bevan-Baker (Green)
Robert Mitchell (Liberal) 2016 - 2020
-19 (min.): Dennis King (Prog. Conservative), Peter Bevan-Baker (Green)
Julie McCabe (Liberal) 2020 - present
-21: Dennis King (Prog. Conservative), Lynne Lund (Green)

 

[CanadianTory]

Premiers of British Columbia
Gordon Campbell (Liberal) 2001 - 2011
-01: Ujjal Dosanjh (New Democratic), Adriane Carr (Green)
-05: Carole James (New Democratic), Adriane Carr (Green)
-09: Carole James (New Democratic), Jane Sterk (Green)
Kevin Falcon (Liberal) 2011 - 2013
Mike Farnworth (New Democratic) 2013 - 2021
-13: Kevin Falcon (Liberal), Jane Sterk (Green)
-17: Sam Sullivan (Liberal), Andrew Weaver (Green)
Jody Wilson-Raybould (New Democratic) 2021 - present
-21: Todd Stone (Liberal), Sonia Furstenau (Green)

 

[Callan]

Jody Wilson-Raybould (New Democratic) 2021 - present

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[CanadianTory]

Prime Ministers of Canada
Pierre Trudeau (Liberal) 1968 - 1972
-68: Robert Stanfield (Prog. Conservative), Tommy Douglas (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Ralliement créditiste), A.B. Patterson (Social Credit)
Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) 1972 - 1981
-72 (min.): Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), David Lewis (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Social Credit)
-74: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), David Lewis (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Social Credit)
-78: Donald Macdonald (Liberal), Erik Kierans (New Democratic), Lorne Reznowski (Social Credit)
Allan Lawrence (Progressive Conservative) 1981 - 1982
Jean Chrétien (Liberal) 1982 - 1992
-82: Allan Lawrence (Prog. Conservative), Erik Kierans (New Democratic)
-86: John Crosbie (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
-89: John Crosbie (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
Paul Martin (Liberal) 1992 - 1995
-93 (min.): Rick Orman (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
Rick Orman (Progressive Conservative) 1995 - 2004
-95 (min.): Paul Martin (Liberal), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
-97 (min.): Lawrence Cannon (Liberal), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
-00: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
Pierre Pettigrew (Liberal) 2004 - 2011
-04: Rick Orman (Prog. Conservative), Steve Ashton (Socialist), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic)
-08 (min.): Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
-10 (min.): Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Svend Robinson (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
Sandra Pupatello (Liberal) 2011 - 2016
-12: Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Svend Robinson (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
Pierre Karl Péladeau (Progressive Conservative) 2016 -
-16: Svend Robinson (Socialist), Sandra Pupatello (Liberal), André Bellavance (New Democratic), Adriane Carr (Green)
-21: Svend Robinson (Socialist), François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal), Joe Cressey (Community), Adriane Carr (Green), Martine Ouellet (New Democratic)

 

[True Grit]

Great stuff, I always love timelines where the NDP takes off in Quebec and ends up morphing into the Bloc as a result

 

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Prime Ministers of Canada
Pierre Trudeau (Liberal) 1968 - 1972
-68: Robert Stanfield (Prog. Conservative), Tommy Douglas (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Ralliement créditiste), A.B. Patterson (Social Credit)
Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) 1972 - 1981
-72 (min.): Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), David Lewis (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Social Credit)
-74: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), David Lewis (New Democratic), Réal Caouette (Social Credit)
-78: Donald Macdonald (Liberal), Erik Kierans (New Democratic), Lorne Reznowski (Social Credit)
Allan Lawrence (Progressive Conservative) 1981 - 1982
Jean Chrétien (Liberal) 1982 - 1992
-82: Allan Lawrence (Prog. Conservative), Erik Kierans (New Democratic)
-86: John Crosbie (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
-89: John Crosbie (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
Paul Martin (Liberal) 1992 - 1995
-93 (min.): Rick Orman (Prog. Conservative), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), James Laxar (Socialist)
Rick Orman (Progressive Conservative) 1995 - 2004
-95 (min.): Paul Martin (Liberal), John Paul Harney (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
-97 (min.): Lawrence Cannon (Liberal), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
-00: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist)
Pierre Pettigrew (Liberal) 2004 - 2011
-04: Rick Orman (Prog. Conservative), Steve Ashton (Socialist), Gaétan Nadeau (New Democratic)
-08 (min.): Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Steve Ashton (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
-10 (min.): Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Svend Robinson (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
Sandra Pupatello (Liberal) 2011 - 2016
-12: Jim Flaherty (Prog. Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (New Democratic), Svend Robinson (Socialist), Frank de Jong (Green)
Pierre Karl Péladeau (Progressive Conservative) 2016 -
-16: Svend Robinson (Socialist), Sandra Pupatello (Liberal), André Bellavance (New Democratic), Adriane Carr (Green)
-21: Svend Robinson (Socialist), François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal), Joe Cressey (Community), Adriane Carr (Green), Martine Ouellet (New Democratic)

Great stuff, I always love timelines where the NDP takes off in Quebec and ends up morphing into the Bloc as a result

Not too familiar with the NDP's history--was this ever close to happening in real life?

 

[Kaddeus]

Not too familiar with the NDP's history--was this ever close to happening in real life?

Phil Edmunston could've taken them down that path, and so could John Paul Harney if I'm not mistaken. If you want alt-hist shenanigans, Robert Cliche and Charles Taylor would be good NDP candidates, and for the wilder stuff Duceppe considered himself a Maoist before joining the BQ!

 

[True Grit]

Not too familiar with the NDP's history--was this ever close to happening in real life?

It wasn't super close to happening, but it's easy to imagine a scenario where they elect a few Quebec MPs in the 80s and, rather than forming the Bloc, nationalists instead rally behind the non-PC/Liberal option - doesn't seem super unrealistic considering how many of the party's 1988 candidates were separatist-curious. Basically the same thing that ended up happening to Social Credit in the 1960s.