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Biaggi’s Second Opium Den

didn’t wanna format all this out

-clinton blown up by bin laden or whatever
-gore takes over leads 96 campaign
-buchanan gets nominated by republicans; gore literally wins everything but NE-03
-gore administration goes about the same but with less scandal and with a liberal congress willing to do progress on the environment
-columbine bombing
-tipper goes AWOL; lieberman does some things
-heavy restrictions on internet, media, etc
-gun control
-schools start going crazy, every school has a tsa check basically
-gore beats some loser neocon into submission in 2000, bob smith does a third party thing
-hillary clinton senate
-no iraq war
-uk goes after mugabe, starts a crisis in southern africa
-uganda-rwanda relations eventually collapse into all-out war; kagame backs the LRA
-saddam dies in 04
-hillary beats supermegaultra split GOP in 2004
-dark!hillary tl
-does a bunch of crackdowns against various right wing terror groups
-also bombs tf outta libya
-literally does a sino american split
-recession hits
-mike huckabee unites GQP
-beats hillary but we get a funny election map (red minnesota blue WV)
-huckabee does a bunch of christofascist shit
-throws support behind LRA because he’s a fundie
-some super right wing gay marriage/abortion stuff passed
-libertarian movement grows as a result
-GM cooked; michigan just completely collapses
-US war in libya comes out in full force
-huckabee narrowly beats [neocon democrat/tim kaine/gray davis] but the libertarian gets like 7% of the vote running their 2012/1980 strategy but competently
-US support for LRA becomes new iran-contra
-huckabee not popular enough to withstand it, his vp tim pawlenty takes over
-GOP cooked but hillary decides to run again because she’s relatively popular
-john kitzhaber primary saps a lot of money and resources
-kitzhaber becomes very popular among social liberals
-hillary wins in 2016 but libertarians break debate threshold.
-administration doesn’t really do anything, continues forever wars
-libya/uganda both become well known for atrocities on both sides
-gay marriage not legalized after democratic souters appointed
-gray davis vs john kitzhaber primary ends in controversial davis win
-libertarians nominate jared polis
-kitzhaber endorses polis
-GOP nominates literally rick santorum
-polis does well in debates wins over reddit-americans
-jared polis libertarian presidency


1996-2005: Al Gore / Bill Richardson (Democratic)
1996 def. Pat Buchanan / Dan Lungren (Republican), Ross Perot / Dan Boren (Reform)
2000 def. Gary Bauer / Steve Forbes (Republican), Bob Smith / Howard Phillips (Right)
2005-2009: Hillary Clinton / Gray Davis (Democratic)
2004 def. John Ashcroft / Tommy Thompson (Republican), Ron Paul / Chuck Baldwin (Right)
2009-2014: Mike Huckabee / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
2008 def. Hillary Clinton / Gray Davis (Democratic)
2012 def. Tim Kaine / Wesley Clark (Democratic), Gary Johnson / Mike Fellows (Libertarian)
2014-2014: Tim Pawlenty / vacant (Republican)
2014-2017: Tim Pawlenty / Rick Santorum (Republican)
2017-2021: Hillary Clinton / Rick Weiland (Democratic)
2016 def. Tim Pawlenty / Rick Santorum (Republican), Austin Petersen / Steve Kerbel (Libertarian)
2021-????: Jared Polis / Hal Gill (Libertarian)
2020 def. Gray Davis / Mike Bebe (Democratic), Rick Santorum / Michael Flynn (Republican)
 
gentleman biaggi said:
didn’t wanna format all this out

-clinton blown up by bin laden or whatever
-gore takes over leads 96 campaign
-buchanan gets nominated by republicans; gore literally wins everything but NE-03
-gore administration goes about the same but with less scandal and with a liberal congress willing to do progress on the environment
-columbine bombing
-tipper goes AWOL; lieberman does some things
-heavy restrictions on internet, media, etc
-gun control
-schools start going crazy, every school has a tsa check basically
-gore beats some loser neocon into submission in 2000, bob smith does a third party thing
-hillary clinton senate
-no iraq war
-uk goes after mugabe, starts a crisis in southern africa
-uganda-rwanda relations eventually collapse into all-out war; kagame backs the LRA
-saddam dies in 04
-hillary beats supermegaultra split GOP in 2004
-dark!hillary tl
-does a bunch of crackdowns against various right wing terror groups
-also bombs tf outta libya
-literally does a sino american split
-recession hits
-mike huckabee unites GQP
-beats hillary but we get a funny election map (red minnesota blue WV)
-huckabee does a bunch of christofascist shit
-throws support behind LRA because he’s a fundie
-some super right wing gay marriage/abortion stuff passed
-libertarian movement grows as a result
-GM cooked; michigan just completely collapses
-US war in libya comes out in full force
-huckabee narrowly beats [neocon democrat/tim kaine/gray davis] but the libertarian gets like 7% of the vote running their 2012/1980 strategy but competently
-US support for LRA becomes new iran-contra
-huckabee not popular enough to withstand it, his vp tim pawlenty takes over
-GOP cooked but hillary decides to run again because she’s relatively popular
-john kitzhaber primary saps a lot of money and resources
-kitzhaber becomes very popular among social liberals
-hillary wins in 2016 but libertarians break debate threshold.
-administration doesn’t really do anything, continues forever wars
-libya/uganda both become well known for atrocities on both sides
-gay marriage not legalized after democratic souters appointed
-gray davis vs john kitzhaber primary ends in controversial davis win
-libertarians nominate jared polis
-kitzhaber endorses polis
-GOP nominates literally rick santorum
-polis does well in debates wins over reddit-americans
-jared polis libertarian presidency


1996-2005: Al Gore / Bill Richardson (Democratic)
1996 def. Pat Buchanan / Dan Lungren (Republican), Ross Perot / Dan Boren (Reform)
2000 def. Gary Bauer / Steve Forbes (Republican), Bob Smith / Howard Phillips (Right)
2005-2009: Hillary Clinton / Gray Davis (Democratic)
2004 def. John Ashcroft / Tommy Thompson (Republican), Ron Paul / Chuck Baldwin (Right)
2009-2014: Mike Huckabee / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
2008 def. Hillary Clinton / Gray Davis (Democratic)
2012 def. Tim Kaine / Wesley Clark (Democratic), Gary Johnson / Mike Fellows (Libertarian)
2014-2014: Tim Pawlenty / vacant (Republican)
2014-2017: Tim Pawlenty / Rick Santorum (Republican)
2017-2021: Hillary Clinton / Rick Weiland (Democratic)
2016 def. Tim Pawlenty / Rick Santorum (Republican), Austin Petersen / Steve Kerbel (Libertarian)
2021-????: Jared Polis / Hal Gill (Libertarian)
2020 def. Gray Davis / Mike Bebe (Democratic), Rick Santorum / Michael Flynn (Republican)
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the blazers had the best player in the nba, an nba title, and the #3 and #6 picks in the nba draft going into the 1978 season what happened
 
gentleman biaggi said:
american left-liberals are multitudes more successful than any other western nations and to pretend otherwise is american exceptionalism.
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European and Latin American Social Democrats often lap us on welfare issues but on essentially everything else American progressives and left-liberals have led the way in global policy
 
Comrade Izaac said:
European and Latin American Social Democrats often lap us on welfare issues but on essentially everything else American progressives and left-liberals have led the way in global policy
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they’re playing defense in europe no one ranks ben wallace as a top 10 nba player ever
 
was talking to someone about this but it really is insane and frankly incredibly stupid how much americans care about ireland. people still act like a unified ireland (whatever that means) would be a real divergence from policy and that it wouldn’t just be another part of a neoliberal tax haven (albeit with a crushed protestant minority).

the fact that there isn’t a Settlers type book written about the modern-day “oppressed” irish and sKKKottish is incredible.
 
gentleman biaggi said:
was talking to someone about this but it really is insane and frankly incredibly stupid how much americans care about ireland. people still act like a unified ireland (whatever that means) would be a real divergence from policy and that it wouldn’t just be another part of a neoliberal tax haven (albeit with a crushed protestant minority).

the fact that there isn’t a Settlers type book written about the modern-day “oppressed” irish and sKKKottish is incredible.
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i would also like to say that the peter king/mario biaggi types who were archconservative irish nationalists are probably more correct than any liberal advocating for irish unification because of the reddit star trek meme.

that being said i do hate the english
 
gentleman biaggi said:
was talking to someone about this but it really is insane and frankly incredibly stupid how much americans care about ireland. people still act like a unified ireland (whatever that means) would be a real divergence from policy and that it wouldn’t just be another part of a neoliberal tax haven (albeit with a crushed protestant minority).

the fact that there isn’t a Settlers type book written about the modern-day “oppressed” irish and sKKKottish is incredible.
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part of me agrees with u, but i would also say that Sinn Fein has proven themselves to be competent operators in the last decade or so and that a unification of Ireland under a Sinn Fein led Government would likely lead to them doing something about the whole "neoliberal tax haven" issue.
 
Comrade Izaac said:
y'all ain't got any idea how long my dumbass has spent searching thru the like, Oklahoma Department of Parks and Recreation website to find potential future candidates. every time i get ideas for future history timelines i spend like six hours scrolling thru the pages of obscure law firms, activist groups, local governments and labor organizations to find candidates that are interesting enough to fit into the TL.
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I typically use current College Democrats/Republicans, state legislators, city councilors, and myself
 
Comrade Izaac said:
u should be more mad at the capitalist hellhole that is clear about it because, as far as i understand, u are an American and therefore are represented by the United States politically and economically. there is literally no point in "being mad" about the PRC as an American because the only solution that u have demonstrated is allowing the country that u are a citizen of, a core imperial country and the global hegemon of capitalism, to engage in imperial military ventures to contain them.
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extremely stupid idea

Aikman, Goldwater Part of Big New Recruiting Class for AZGOP

March 11, 2010 (AP): It’s normal for Arizonans to remember Troy Aikman fondly. The transfer from Oklahoma to Arizona State helped bring about the miracle 1987 season, where the Sun Devils upset #2 Nebraska in the third game of the season and were voted national champions after defeating Aikman’s old team; Oklahoma. Although Aikman would leave to the NFL after that year (drafted #3 overall by the Detroit Lions), he remains beloved by those in Arizona, especially as his once relatively unsuccessful NFL career would see a resurgence in the Copper State when he helped lead the Arizona Cardinals to the NFC championship in 1994.

Aikman today resides in Tempe, where he once played college football, and where he currently is a part stake owner in the Arizona Rattlers, the MLB team which he played a minor role in bringing to Arizona. However, in recent years he’s begun to take an interest in Republican politics, a dying breed in the state. Although Arizona would see its very own favorite son John McCain elected president in 1992 (defeating embattled incumbent Michael Dukakis), the state has swung to the left since McCain left office. Larry Echo Hawk would win Arizona twice in 2000 and 2004, and his chosen successor, another former athlete Dave Bing, would win it as well.

However, as a competitive senate race takes hold in the state, Aikman eyes opportunity. Incumbent senator Nan Walden is aging, and the Democratic party is unpopular due to economic downturn and the effects of the Great Lakes War. Although Republicans have searched for a variety of candidates, as strange as former Indiana senator Dan Quayle, former Democratic governor Richard Mahoney, or controversial sheriff Joe Arpaio, Aikman represents a chance for Republicans to unite around a wealthy and popular candidate.

Meanwhile, the Arizona gubernatorial election looks to be competitive as well. Arizona’s Democrats have won every election for the governor’s mansion since the controversial Evan Mecham governorship, but Richard Mahoney, elected as a Democrat in 1998, would serve as a Republican for two years from 2001-2003. However, he would be defeated by incumbent governor David Lujan. Lujan has grown unpopular in office, evidenced by his controversial education reform policies and a growing recession in the state.

Although Lujan is term-limited, whoever his successor is is facing an uphill battle and is doing so against a familiar name. Barry Goldwater Sr. was a man synonymous with Arizona politics, revolutionizing the state Republican party, and serving as a senator for thirty years from the state. When he left the senate he was replaced with future president John McCain, and although in his eighties, would serve as an unofficial advisor for the president until his death in 1998. Goldwater’s son, Barry Goldwater Jr. would follow in his father’s footsteps, albeit in California, serving as a long term congressman and himself running for senate in 1982. After his defeat he would largely be in retirement until he was tapped by McCain to be ambassador to France. Goldwater Jr. is still a major figure to this day, and is known now as an advocate for solar in Arizona.

However, it’s Barry Goldwater III, a former rap promoter, now car salesman from Phoenix who has been recruited by the party to run for governor. Despite Goldwater’s ties to rap music - often a target of the Grand Old Party’s ire - he represents a path towards staunch conservatism, with his libertarian-conservative politics being very similar in style to both his grandfather and father.

Both Aikman and Goldwater represent a new path forward for the once-hurting AZGOP - although both are flashy names, they could be the recruiting class to revive the state Republican party.
 
my version of those canadian made tls where everything sucks and nothing happens

1989-1993: Michael Dukakis (D-MA) / Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)
1988 def. George Bush (R-TX) / Dan Quayle (R-IN)
1993-2001: John McCain (R-AZ) / Kay Orr (R-NE)
1992 def. Michael Dukakis (D-MA) / Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)
1996 def. Zell Miller (D-GA) / John Marty (D-MN), Paul Tsongas (I-MA) / Colin Powell (I-NY)
2001-2009: Larry Echo Hawk (D-ID) / Jim Cooper (D-TN)
2000 def. Kay Orr (R-NE) / Jim Gilmore (R-VA), Ron Paul (I-TX) / Mike Gravel (I-AK)
2004 def. Tommy Thompson (R-WI) / Kenny Guinn (R-NV)
2009-2013: Dave Bing (D-MI) / Jim Hodges (D-SC)
2008 def. John Andrews (R-CO) / Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
2013-0000: Stuart Stevens (R-MS) / Trent Franks (R-CO)
2012 def. Dave Bing (D-MI) / Jim Hodges (D-SC)
2016 def. Jim Hodges (D-SC) / Scott Matherson (D-UT)
 
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gentleman biaggi said:
my version of those canadian made tls where everything sucks and nothing happens
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To be honest, I like those timelines.
They are good for me, a guy who loves depressing stuff with nothong happening.
(This is perhaps why I adore those glorious Soviet-Era apartment buildings, those great, beautiful, perfect... grey blocks!)
 
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