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OwenM said:
Random thought I've had a few times - if the first lasting socialist (or "socialist") state was in the Anglosphere, the generic official name would probably be something like "Co-Operative Commonwealth".
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Vibes.

More seriously, this is the angle I went in my own TL.

It is weird that People's Republic became the stereotypical nomenclature in AH, however, because it isn't exactly the predominant term in OTL. Really 'Soviet' could have been adopted outside the USSR.
 
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Time Enough said:
I wasn’t expecting folks finding British horizontal collaboration titillating but maybe that’s just me.
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There is at least one example of a book set IOTL's WW2 in the Occupied Channel Islands which handled the topic at least respectfully enough, although I don't think titillation was the focus, it was still a romance-comedy-drama with that as the backdrop and with a Nazi love interest in the course of the novel's story.

I don't know of any (non-exploitative or not) examples in France or anywhere else, but I can't imagine it hasn't been explored.

The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society
 
”1958-ten years have passed since the end of the Third World War,started over some damn thing in China,and Prime Minister Herbert Morrison feels un profiled. Labour has been in power for 13 years and stopped having ideas 8 years ago,merely going through the motions.Worse in Morrison’s view is that the people of Britain still haven’t gotten used to peace,becoming even more addicted to reliving the wartime years,when it all felt like it made sense.

Especially for him.

Faced with this,Morrison believes there is only one way to make Britons feel content once more,consequences be damned: start a war with France. When everything else has failed,Blitz Spirit shall unite Britain once like it did in ‘40 and ‘45. And Herb shall do everything to make this a reality.

No matter the cost”.


An idea for a setting I thought of in a WW3 in 1945 Scenario and after re-reading Rule Nostalgia.
 
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JesterBL said:
it was still a romance-comedy-drama with that as the backdrop and with a Nazi love interest in the course of the novel's story.
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IIRC from the film he's a German but not a Nazi, which is understandably the take when fiction touches on the subject of occupied people falling in love with an occupier. (An exception is Secret Army where it's the main SS villain doing it so the actor gets some different scenes but he's still very much a villain)
 
Not really sure if this is the right place to put this, but given how often the word "Strasserism" gets thrown around (normally describing something that's just a more racist version of a half-remembered American textbook's account of Brezhnev), I found this article on the actually existing Strasserist movement quite enlightening.

cosmonaut.blog

Strasserism vs “Strasserism”: Turning Over the Right Rocks

With Strasserism becoming a common accusation made towards various political trends on the left, K. T. Jamieson makes a historical investigation of Strasserism and its ideology and argues that it c…
cosmonaut.blog cosmonaut.blog
 
Walpurgisnacht said:
Not really sure if this is the right place to put this, but given how often the word "Strasserism" gets thrown around (normally describing something that's just a more racist version of a half-remembered American textbook's account of Brezhnev), I found this article on the actually existing Strasserist movement quite enlightening.

cosmonaut.blog

Strasserism vs “Strasserism”: Turning Over the Right Rocks

With Strasserism becoming a common accusation made towards various political trends on the left, K. T. Jamieson makes a historical investigation of Strasserism and its ideology and argues that it c…
cosmonaut.blog cosmonaut.blog
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Forgot to comment yesterday, but when you think about it, it makes sense that Strasserism would be adopted by Anglocentric personas given the Chersteron influence as the article mentioned but also how a lot of those ‘Merrie England’ Socialists (who would drift towards Fascism) and the ‘Blood and Soil’ Jorian Jenks types often shared similar opinions on that whole ‘return to an imaginary feudalism’ imagery that is present in Strasser’s work and I’m surprised Adam Curtis has never done a deep dive into the very strange world of British Fascism.
 
Walpurgisnacht said:
Not really sure if this is the right place to put this, but given how often the word "Strasserism" gets thrown around (normally describing something that's just a more racist version of a half-remembered American textbook's account of Brezhnev), I found this article on the actually existing Strasserist movement quite enlightening.

cosmonaut.blog

Strasserism vs “Strasserism”: Turning Over the Right Rocks

With Strasserism becoming a common accusation made towards various political trends on the left, K. T. Jamieson makes a historical investigation of Strasserism and its ideology and argues that it c…
cosmonaut.blog cosmonaut.blog
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This is a weird article because if the reader isn't an orthodox Marxist, the idea that Strasser wanted to rob the proletariat of its Historical Destiny by... giving them property? doesn't sound like an especially heinous accusation. It feels very pitched at a particular audience. I came away from this with the probably-liberal conclusion that "well, it sounds like the main problem with this guy was that he was still a violent racist."
 
OpalClick said:
This is a weird article because if the reader isn't an orthodox Marxist, the idea that Strasser wanted to rob the proletariat of its Historical Destiny by... giving them property? doesn't sound like an especially heinous accusation. It feels very pitched at a particular audience. I came away from this with the probably-liberal conclusion that "well, it sounds like the main problem with this guy was that he was still a violent racist."
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That's fair enough--I mostly just enjoyed the article as a good summary of Strasser's economic positions and tuned out the relitigation of First-Internationale-era arguments.

(I wouldn't mind if some populist movement managed to successfully overturn proletarianisation and make everyone petit-bourgeoise smallholders forever, just like I wouldn't mind if someone built a perpetual motion machine. I just don't think either of those two things could actually happen.)
 
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