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Joshuapooleanox

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I heard that one of the reasons Britain refused to annex Malta amongst several was that they didn’t want to set the potential precedent that all colonies could be incorporated into the UK.

What potential colonies would’ve wanted this?
 

cikka

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I heard that one of the reasons Britain refused to annex Malta amongst several was that they didn’t want to set the potential precedent that all colonies could be incorporated into the UK.

What potential colonies would’ve wanted this?
@Turquoise Blue would probably know more about this, but maybe Sarawak?
 

Turquoise Blue

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@Turquoise Blue would probably know more about this, but maybe Sarawak?
Most certainly not Sarawak. They deeply objected to the cession from the Raj to the British, as it went against the Rajah's promises to implement constitutionalism to the place. There were a lot of anti-cession protests, and later on separatist communists were popular there.

Yes, the place called for the restoration of a white monarchy, then later on called for communism. The thing people at the time did was that they identified the anti-cession movement, then the communists, with a distinct Sarawak identity and interest against those that wanted to absorb the place.

There is a reason that even now, there are a lot of constitutional protection for Sarawak in Malaysia, the place is very protective of its laws and status.
 

Time Enough

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So after discussions with @Oppo I’ve realised there isn’t a major straightforward ‘Kinnock Wins TL’ as it were, like it feels like there should be quite a few but there isn’t really. Like his most consistent appearance is in 90s American Politics timelines where he’s often appears off screen like a bad cameo.

Like the closest I know to a proper ‘Kinnock Wins TL’ is @iainbhx 92’ election night timeline which doesn’t explore the aftermath (not a criticism, it’s an excellent timeline, enjoyed the Gould appearances) but that’s all that comes to my head.

It’s more common for Neil Kinnock to die in a car crash or lose than to have a time in Government.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong and link timelines etc.
 

Time Enough

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To go along with my whining above, I’m not a big fan of Blair TL’s just because it seems fairly redundant, they usually just become ‘And then Blair has us join the Euro and ain’t that nice’.

I would much rather like to see ‘Brown’s New Labour’ or ‘Milburn: The Moderniser’ timelines etc.
 

ChrisNuttall

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To go along with my whining above, I’m not a big fan of Blair TL’s just because it seems fairly redundant, they usually just become ‘And then Blair has us join the Euro and ain’t that nice’.

I would much rather like to see ‘Brown’s New Labour’ or ‘Milburn: The Moderniser’ timelines etc.
Brown lacked Blair's charm and ability to smooth over the contradictions in his politics. There's no guarantee that there'd be a Labour Govt. if Blair isn't involved in some way.

Chris
 

cikka

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Brown lacked Blair's charm and ability to smooth over the contradictions in his politics. There's no guarantee that there'd be a Labour Govt. if Blair isn't involved in some way.

Chris
I disagree. Brown was a bit grumpy but the Major government was literally imploding by Smith's death. Sure, there might not be a landslide, but Brown was a capable politician as well as a moderniser.
 

Time Enough

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Brown lacked Blair's charm and ability to smooth over the contradictions in his politics. There's no guarantee that there'd be a Labour Govt. if Blair isn't involved in some way.

Chris
If Brown was elected in 94’ you would probably still see a Labour Majority in 97’ but Brown’s stubbornness leads to more interesting time in Government.
I disagree. Brown was a bit grumpy but the Major government was literally imploding by Smith's death. Sure, there might not be a landslide, but Brown was a capable politician as well as a moderniser.
Indeed, very similar to Smith in a number of regards and people seem to be fine doing ‘No Smith Death’ TLs.

Generally I think any other Moderniser offers more interesting ideas than another ‘And then Blair takes us into the Euro/Fucks Up Foot and Mouth/Adds a Penny On Income Tax’ TLs I have seen bandied about.
 

Charles EP M.

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There’s something very British Empire about the fact that they could’ve maintained some of the empire by absorbing the parts that wanted through integration into parliament, but racism and fiscal anxiety meant they’d rather just let it disintegrate.
It'd be very ASB for a timeline where the government did integrate them anyway but imagine the story to be told of the UK as pan-ocean nation involving majority-black areas with voting powers you can't ignore.
 

Redolegna

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I heard that one of the reasons Britain refused to annex Malta amongst several was that they didn’t want to set the potential precedent that all colonies could be incorporated into the UK.

What potential colonies would’ve wanted this?
Not for the British Empire, but that's what Mba wanted for Gabon. Contrarily to the French West Indies, the shift to départementalisation from colony didn't happen. I believe Jonathan Edelstein's Union Travail Justice explores that scenario.
 

MAC161

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Just a random, recent pondering: How much and what sort of AH is there about John Lennon surviving Mark David Chapman, and what might happen to him, the Beatles and the world afterwards? Per Uchronia.net, I'm familiar with a number of other Beatles-centered stories, and there's one fictional piece that deals with Lennon specifically; anyone have any thoughts on this one, and the broader range of AH surrounding Lennon's murder?
 

Skinny87

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Just a random, recent pondering: How much and what sort of AH is there about John Lennon surviving Mark David Chapman, and what might happen to him, the Beatles and the world afterwards? Per Uchronia.net, I'm familiar with a number of other Beatles-centered stories, and there's one fictional piece that deals with Lennon specifically; anyone have any thoughts on this one, and the broader range of AH surrounding Lennon's murder?
There's a Beatles AH novel by Bryce Zabel
 

Walpurgisnacht

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Just a random, recent pondering: How much and what sort of AH is there about John Lennon surviving Mark David Chapman, and what might happen to him, the Beatles and the world afterwards? Per Uchronia.net, I'm familiar with a number of other Beatles-centered stories, and there's one fictional piece that deals with Lennon specifically; anyone have any thoughts on this one, and the broader range of AH surrounding Lennon's murder?
IIRC someone wrote a vignette on the Old Country where a surviving Lennon goes down a similar path to Morrissey.
 
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