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Oh god MP Jolyon. What seat does he represent ITTL?

 

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Oh god MP Jolyon. What seat does he represent ITTL?

Holborn & St Pancras is what I have penciled in, but this is far from set in stone. I might still mess around and have a different electoral system like regional lists, PR, STV in the Irish style, etc.

 

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Monarchs of the United Kingdom

1837–1889: Victoria [Alexandrina Victoria] (Hanover)
1889–1915: George V [Albert William George] (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) (son of)
1915–1955: George VI [George Frederick Arthur David] (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) (son of)
1955–1967: William V [William Michael James] (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) (son of)
1967–1999: George VII [George Stephen Victor] (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) (nephew of)
1999–0000: George VIII [Henry George Nicholas Alexander] (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) (son of)

heir apparent: Frederick, Prince of Wales [Frederick Henry Alfred Owen] (son of)

 

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Monarchs/Prime Ministers

1837–1889: Victoria [Melbourne, Peel, Russell, Derby, Aberdeen, Palmerston, Derby, Palmerston, Russell, Disraeli, W.E. Gladstone, Disraeli/Beaconsfield, Hartington, Chamberlain]
1889–1915: George V [Chamberlain, Salisbury, Chamberlain, Salisbury, Balfour, H. Gladstone, Haldane]
1915–1955: George VI [Haldane, Cecil, Londonderry, Wood, Beveridge, Bracken, Acland]
1955–1967: William V [Acland, Macleod]
1967–1999: George VII [Macleod, Peyton, FitzGerald, Rippon, Williams, Newton Dunn]
1999–0000: George VIII [Newton Dunn, Clarke, McAleese, Hurd, Clegg, Nandy]

 

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I will quickly mention a thing I just remembered @aaa

Until about the 1920s, the Liberals often used Red as there political colour of choice, like the Canadian Liberals, the change of colour coincided with the drastic rise of Labour (who also used Red but local candidates often also used Green or Orange on occasions) and Lloyd George deciding to reference traditional Liberal imagery and associating the Liberals with prosperity.

So in this timeline you could have weird Red Liberals, Blue Tories, Orange Labour and a weird Green fourth party which…huh it’s just like Canada.

Been enjoying how this timeline is shaping out so far.

 

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Until about the 1920s, the Liberals often used Red as there political colour of choice, like the Canadian Liberals, the change of colour coincided with the drastic rise of Labour (who also used Red but local candidates often also used Green or Orange on occasions) and Lloyd George deciding to reference traditional Liberal imagery and associating the Liberals with prosperity.

Interesting--up until now I've only picked the colors for aesthetic reasons (Conservative & Liberal Unionist colors for the Tories because I find the blue-green nice and hip and Lib Dem colors for the Liberals because I like the orangey-gold color instead of the brighter yellow), but a light kind of red sounds promising. Appreciate the insight!

 

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Until about the 1920s, the Liberals often used Red as there political colour of choice, like the Canadian Liberals, the change of colour coincided with the drastic rise of Labour (who also used Red but local candidates often also used Green or Orange on occasions) and Lloyd George deciding to reference traditional Liberal imagery and associating the Liberals with prosperity.

It's interesting to know from what source you took this. Because judging by my own source (Peers, the Parties and the People), the Liberals and Unionists had a more diverse palette:

...but many Liberal and Unionist addresses were printed in the colours of the local party – e.g. Unionist red in South London, blue in most of the rest of London; Liberal red in Lancashire, but blue in Liverpool – thus reflecting that patchwork of local party colours, one of the survivals from the localisation of nineteenth-century politics.

The more confusing example I found on Social Geography of British Elections 1885–1910:

In Winchester the party colours are red and white for Conservatives and blue and white for Liberal, whilst in the Andover division red is the Liberal colour and orange the Conservative. In the Fareham division the Conservative colours are orange and people.

Another some unknown source indicates that the colour of the Liberals in the 1910s was dark-green (or sea-green), although it was adopted nationally later. This already causes enough confusion, right?

 

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It's interesting to know from what source you took this. Because judging by my own source (Peers, the Parties and the People), the Liberals and Unionists had a more diverse palette:

I believe I got it from a mixture of @Thande article on the matter and knowledge I’ve picked up in times. So I forgot the ‘more diverse political colours’ nature to be fair.

Interestingly, the local colours stuff would continue into the 70s, so you can see Tony Benn wearing a Orange ribbon in 74’ coverage etc.

Another some unknown source indicates that the color of the Liberals in the 1910s was dark green, although it was adopted nationally later. This already causes enough confusion, right?

Interesting, so I was a bit wrong I will be frank. I do know Red and Blue has always been popular with British political parties as whole, so it would make sense for the Tories and Liberals to probably settle into Blue and Red eventually.

 

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I believe I got it from a mixture of @Thande article on the matter and knowledge I’ve picked up in times.

Found the article (and another)! About colours, I even like this local independence, is reminiscent of the times when the influence of one candidate in the constituency was more significant than that of the party.

 

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It's interesting to know from what source you took this. Because judging by my own source (Peers, the Parties and the People), the Liberals and Unionists had a more diverse palette:

The more confusing example I found on Social Geography of British Elections 1885–1910:

Another some unknown source indicates that the colour of the Liberals in the 1910s was dark-green (or sea-green), although it was adopted nationally later. This already causes enough confusion, right?

I believe I got it from a mixture of @Thande article on the matter and knowledge I’ve picked up in times. So I forgot the ‘more diverse political colours’ nature to be fair.

Interestingly, the local colours stuff would continue into the 70s, so you can see Tony Benn wearing a Orange ribbon in 74’ coverage etc.

Interesting, so I was a bit wrong I will be frank. I do know Red and Blue has always been popular with British political parties as whole, so it would make sense for the Tories and Liberals to probably settle into Blue and Red eventually.

I've mocked these up, based on designs I did a few weeks back. Modified them for new colors and also in general to make them look more like real, believable campaign signs someone would hold up or have on their lawn.




Honestly, the history of deep localism of Liberal color schemes probably even helps me--I can probably just have it so that the shade of pinkish red I've picked emerges as a consensus choice when the party conference decides that they need a consistent national branding. I started with the Canadian Liberal hex code then made it a dull pinkish shade that both distinguishes it from the Canadian colors (which I still plan to use) and doesn't scream socialist.

 

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List of Prime Ministers of the United Provinces

01 | 1840–1851 | Sir Daniel Webster (Conservative)
02 | 1851–1861 | Sir Horace Greeley (Radical–Reformist)
03 | 1861–1863 | Sir Edward Everett (Conservative)
04 | 1863–1867 | Sir William Fessenden (Conservative)
05 | 1867–1880 | Sir Henri-Gustave Joly de Lotbinière (Radical)
06 | 1880–1886 | Sir Francis Kernan (Conservative)
07 | 1886–1890 | John Russell (Radical)
08 | 1890–1901 | Richard Olney (Conservative)
09 | 1901–1911 | Nelson Aldrich (Conservative/National Union/Conservative)
10 | 1911–1913 | Henry Cabot Lodge (Conservative)
11 | 1913–1920 | Adam Beck (Radical/National Government)
12 | 1920–1925 | The Governing Council (National Government) [1]
13 | 1925–1930 | Gifford Pinchot (National Government/Radical–Liberal)
14 | 1930–1936 | Royal Copeland (Conservative)
15 | 1936–1949 | Charles Tobey (Conservative)
16 | 1949–1951 | Robert Taft (Conservative)
17 | 1951–1956 | William Douglas (Liberal)
18 | 1956–1960 | Bruce Barton (Conserative)
19 | 1960–1972 | William Fulbright (Liberal)
20 | 1972–1978 | Peter Lougheed (National Alliance)
21 | 1978–1981 | Jeanne Sauvé (Liberal)
22 | 1981–1985 | Hamilton Fish IV (National Alliance)
23 | 1985–1994 | Ramsey Clark (Liberal)
24 | 1994–1997 | Michael Harris (National Alliance)
25 | 1997–2009 | Richard Saslaw (Liberal)
26 | 2009–2015 | Candice Miller (National Alliance)
27 | 2015–2020 | Richard Saslaw (Liberal)
27 | 2020–2022 | Mélanie Joly (Liberal)
28 | 2022–0000 | Tasha Kheiriddin (National Alliance)

[1] The Governing Council, composed of Adam Beck, Gifford Pinchot, Henry Cabot Lodge, James Alexander Lougheed, and William English Walling, served as collective head of government from 1920-1925.

List of Governors-General of the United Provinces

01 | 1840–1853 | The Duke of Sussex
02 | 1853–1863 | The Earl of Elgin
03 | 1863–1876 | The Earl Granville
04 | 1876–1890 | The Marquess of Midlothian
05 | 1890–1901 | The Prince of Wales
06 | 1901–1914 | Earl de Grey
07 | 1914–1924 | The Duke of Devonshire
08 | 1924–1935 | The Marquess of Crewe
09 | 1935–1948 | The Duke of Montrose
10 | 1948–1963 | Sir George Howard Earle III
11 | 1963–1978 | Sir Livingston Merchant
12 | 1978–1990 | Dame Katherine Graham
13 | 1990–2000 | Sir John Turner
14 | 2000–2012 | Sir Charles Robb
15 | 2012–0000 | Sir John Kerry

 

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List of Prime Ministers of the United Provinces

01 | 1840–1851 | Sir Daniel Webster (Conservative)
02 | 1851–1861 | Sir Horace Greeley (Radical–Reformist)
03 | 1861–1863 | Sir Edward Everett (Conservative)
04 | 1863–1867 | Sir William Fessenden (Conservative)
05 | 1867–1880 | Sir Henri-Gustave Joly de Lotbinière (Radical)
06 | 1880–1886 | Sir Francis Kernan (Conservative)
07 | 1886–1890 | John Russell (Radical)
08 | 1890–1901 | Richard Olney (Conservative)
09 | 1901–1911 | Nelson Aldrich (Conservative/National Union/Conservative)
10 | 1911–1913 | Henry Cabot Lodge (Conservative)
11 | 1913–1920 | Adam Beck (Radical/National Government)
12 | 1920–1925 | The Governing Council (National Government) [1]
13 | 1925–1930 | Gifford Pinchot (National Government/Radical–Liberal)
14 | 1930–1936 | Royal Copeland (Conservative)
15 | 1936–1949 | Charles Tobey (Conservative)
16 | 1949–1951 | Robert Taft (Conservative)
17 | 1951–1956 | William Douglas (Liberal)
18 | 1956–1960 | Bruce Barton (Conserative)
19 | 1960–1972 | William Fulbright (Liberal)
20 | 1972–1978 | Peter Lougheed (National Alliance)
21 | 1978–1981 | Jeanne Sauvé (Liberal)
22 | 1981–1985 | Hamilton Fish IV (National Alliance)
23 | 1985–1994 | Ramsey Clark (Liberal)
24 | 1994–1997 | Michael Harris (National Alliance)
25 | 1997–2009 | Richard Saslaw (Liberal)
26 | 2009–2015 | Candice Miller (National Alliance)
27 | 2015–2020 | Richard Saslaw (Liberal)
27 | 2020–2022 | Mélanie Joly (Liberal)
28 | 2022–0000 | Tasha Kheiriddin (National Alliance)

[1] The Governing Council, composed of Adam Beck, Gifford Pinchot, Henry Cabot Lodge, James Alexander Lougheed, and William English Walling, served as collective head of government from 1920-1925.

List of Governors-General of the United Provinces

01 | 1840–1853 | The Duke of Sussex
02 | 1853–1863 | The Earl of Elgin
03 | 1863–1876 | The Earl Granville
04 | 1876–1890 | The Marquess of Midlothian
05 | 1890–1897 | The Prince of Wales
06 | 1897–1908 | Earl de Grey
07 | 1908–1920 | The Duke of Devonshire
08 | 1920–1932 | The Earl of Derby
09 | 1932–1940 | Sir Edward Vanderbilt
10 | 1940–1948 | The Duke of Montrose
11 | 1948–1958 | Sir George Howard Earle III
12 | 1958–1963 | Sir Christian Herter
13 | 1963–1978 | Sir Livingston Merchant
14 | 1978–1990 | Dame Katherine Graham
15 | 1990–2000 | Sir John Turner
16 | 2000–2012 | Sir Charles Robb
17 | 2012–0000 | Sir John Kerry

Are there are any other parties in parliament other than the Liberals and National Alliance?

 

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Are there are any other parties in parliament other than the Liberals and National Alliance?

Probably a socialist party with a base that doesn't really extend beyond specific sectors of the working class and a traditionalist right-wing party (less Trump, more Jacob Rees-Mogg), plus a scattering of independents.

 

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I can imagine how confusing nineteen-twenties are with Farmer-Radical and Conservative Labour

Well, what about U.C. and Lev?

 

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I can imagine how confusing nineteen-twenties are with Farmer-Radical and Conservative Labour

Well, what about U.C. and Lev?

I never mentioned anything about "Farmer-Radical" or "Conservative Labour".

The Radicals' base--most especially its elected MPs--were less of the working/agricultural class and more of the progressive, left (by 19th century standards) leaning middle to upper-middle class of the time.

The U.C. is short for the Unionist Coalition--a broad-tent coalition of MPs from the Southern Dominions who favored entering the United Provinces following the victory of the anti-slavery faction in the civil war.

"Lev." is short for the Levellers--an alliance of left-wing independent MPs, some of whom would go on to found the People's Labour Party.

 

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I never mentioned anything about "Farmer-Radical" or "Conservative Labour".

I imagine there were single candidates without much success