Please, please, stop referring to all denizens of GB as English.OTL Englishmen
More on topic, regarding Trident guidance; would the star maps still be useful due to stellar drift?
Please, please, stop referring to all denizens of GB as English.OTL Englishmen
More on topic, regarding Trident guidance; would the star maps still be useful due to stellar drift?
Please, please, stop referring to all denizens of GB as English.
More on topic, regarding Trident guidance; would the star maps still be useful due to stellar drift?
That’s needlessly antagonistic.I'll stop calling people from Great Britain Englishmen when I stop hearing them call me a Yankee.
That’s needlessly antagonistic.
Have I, or anyone else on the board done this to you? If not, then my point still stands- you’re being needlessly antagonistic, “reciprocating” annoying behaviour that no one here is guilty of. If they have, then the mature response would be to politely ask them to stop, rather than deliberately being as annoying as they are.The technical term is reciprocal behavior, but yes I can very well understand why it's annoying. Almost like you don't like getting called something wrong based on where you live.
1. On what grounds are you going to be trying to prosecute the Leader of the Opposition? Leading the Labour Party? Not having brought back Clause IV, the 2019 Labour party is significantly further from communism than the 1944 Labour party was...A combination of things come to mind.
1. Do the 1944 laws still apply? Corbyn/sedition laws. Need I say more. Or maybe send him andhis friends on a fact finding tour to the Soviet Union...
2. A few strategic nukes and some strategic bombing of the Concentration camps.
3. Decolonisation and Eastern Europe can be done in a much better way now. We have these super weapons with which to focus minds.
4. Parlay our massively advanced peacetime and military tech into some significant reductions of Peacetime debt to the US. "Oh you want this Internet technology? About thatLend Lease thing. Let's call it even shall we?"
5. Europe. Lance the European boil before it becomes on. Remake post war Europe on British lines, not Franco German ones. Free trade without political integration being the order of the day
1. On what grounds are you going to be trying to prosecute the Leader of the Opposition? Leading the Labour Party? Not having brought back Clause IV, the 2019 Labour party is significantly further from communism than the 1944 Labour party was...
2. Nukes where? Is strategic bombing of sites that hold significant numbers of civilian prisoners a good idea? If so, why?
3. Or what, we're going to nuke the Soviet Union?
4. The debt issue is an interesting one - the 2019 UK has paid all the war debt to the US in it's timeline, but the 1944 US obviously hasn't seen the payments. Send in the diplomats, the ultimate settlement will doubtless be swayed one direction or another to settle other issues.
5. Europe had quite a bit of free trade in 1913, it didn't help (enough) to prevent continental war, thus the addition of political integration in the post-WW2 efforts. Maybe it doesn't have to be political integration, maybe there are other ways to achieve the same ends, but something more than free trade is likely to be needed. Any ideas as to what?
And of course African partition should have disregarded arbitrary colonial boundaries and given greater attention to tribal and cultural boundaries.
Wasn't literally the first thing the Organisation for African Unity agreed on "leave the borders where they are for now"?This ones a bit of a meme that needs to die. Mainly because 'cultural' borders are basically impossible to draw in most areas due to the lack of compact discrete populations, and things are wildly inconsistent when it comes to whether they actually help or not (Rwanda's basically got the same borders as the pre-colonial state, Somalia's ethnically far more uniform than Ghana but the latter is much more stable, whether borders need to be 'ethnic' or 'tribal' appears to change on the whim of the day, and they're not the same thing).
Wasn't literally the first thing the Organisation for African Unity agreed on "leave the borders where they are for now"?
Admittedly partly because in practise the alternative would have been everyone claiming bits of their neighbours and refusing to give up an inch of their own territory.
A combination of things come to mind.
1. Do the 1944 laws still apply? Corbyn/sedition laws. Need I say more. Or maybe send him andhis friends on a fact finding tour to the Soviet Union...
2. A few strategic nukes and some strategic bombing of the Concentration camps.
3. Decolonisation and Eastern Europe can be done in a much better way now. We have these super weapons with which to focus minds.
4. Parlay our massively advanced peacetime and military tech into some significant reductions of Peacetime debt to the US. "Oh you want this Internet technology? About thatLend Lease thing. Let's call it even shall we?"
5. Europe. Lance the European boil before it becomes on. Remake post war Europe on British lines, not Franco German ones. Free trade without political integration being the order of the day
If there's anything 2019-Britain can do to help African success after decolonization... I'd be pushing for a federal united Africa. Start with using the colonial divisions for internal divisions, but there'd still be the option for making more culture-based subdivisions in the future. Maybe have the Ethiopian Emperor become a titular/constitutional Emperor of Africa... and for the government of this federation, have a bicameral structure in which one of the two houses is elected by the African people from the start; and the other house is initially people appointed by the UK, the various ex-colonizer countries, etc, to ensure that there are still experienced administrators to look after the development of Africa at first, but these would slowly be phased out such that within 30 years' time or so, this upper house becomes entirely under African control and the influence of the ex-colonizer countries disappears.This ones a bit of a meme that needs to die. Mainly because 'cultural' borders are basically impossible to draw in most areas due to the lack of compact discrete populations, and things are wildly inconsistent when it comes to whether they actually help or not (Rwanda's basically got the same borders as the pre-colonial state, Somalia's ethnically far more uniform than Ghana but the latter is much more stable, whether borders need to be 'ethnic' or 'tribal' appears to change on the whim of the day, and they're not the same thing).
If there's anything 2019-Britain can do to help African success after decolonization... I'd be pushing for a federal united Africa. Start with using the colonial divisions for internal divisions, but there'd still be the option for making more culture-based subdivisions in the future. Maybe have the Ethiopian Emperor become a titular/constitutional Emperor of Africa... and for the government of this federation, have a bicameral structure in which one of the two houses is elected by the African people from the start; and the other house is initially people appointed by the UK, the various ex-colonizer countries, etc, to ensure that there are still experienced administrators to look after the development of Africa at first, but these would slowly be phased out such that within 30 years' time or so, this upper house becomes entirely under African control and the influence of the ex-colonizer countries disappears.
No, no, and how does the possession of nukes help decolonization? They didn't exactly help the first time, since overwhelming force doesn't solve social and economic issues. Likewise, future money and future technologies are a rather insubstantial payment next to the very real tons of supplies and war material that's been spent- trying to bargain will require equally concrete sacrifices, especially considering Montgomery's efforts in the Low Countries just got kneecapped by his supply line vanishing into thin air. Unless there's some significant tech production companies in the UK I don't know about, they're going to be bartering a very limited resource, which hurts their ability to keep a technological advantage. Remaking Europe on British lines, meanwhile, is a pipe dream when the Soviets are there and more than willing to do a two-step over how, exactly, the bounty of booty is distributed. After all, a United Kingdom of the future is not the same United Kingdom that signed things before the shift, which is a perfectly reasonable reason to... renegotiate.
This is sweet in it's naivety.
Basically this appointed house is going to end up being seen as a tool to prevent real independence by both the locals and every other European power even if Britain's actually honest about it, Haile Selassie was respected but I doubt he'd be all that content with only ceremonial powers and a continent wide federation where even the western educated locals all speak different languages is going to be very ambitious.
My understanding was when the debate between a federal Africa and an economically connected but politically separate one was raging, Ethiopia argued for the latter. As did Senegal, Nigeria, Liberia, Ivory Coast etc.
The UK arriving from 2019 saying, look this is the somewhat grim future of Africa when pan Africanism wasn't tried, lets try something different this time and so throwing all it's political capital behind Nkrumah and the Casablanca block is interesting as a concept. If Corbyn is PM and has the right advisors I could even see it as possible.
Someone from the government will have to have long conversations with Selassie, Senghor, Boigny, Azikiwe and the other prominent members of the Monrovia block to convince them to change their mind on this. Maybe sit Selassie down with whoever in his family is still in England and a history book.
I can see a Federal Africa emerging if enough of a push is given for it, and enough contacts are cultivated.
I just can't see one which has some sort of Technocratic House of Lords appointed by the colonial powers as part of the government.