Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State

[theflyingmgoose]

Based off of my 'SocDem American Imperialism Is Best American Imperialism' comment earlier.

PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES:
39. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (D): January 20, 1977-September 27, 1982
1976: def. Gerald Ford (R), 373-165 EV/ 53.5%-45.1% PV
1980: def. Ronald Reagan (R), 270-268 EV/ 48.5%-48.9% PV
Resigned after suffering a stroke on September 21, 1982
40. Jimmy Carter (D): September 27, 1982-January 20, 1985
Lost contingent election on January 11, 1985
41. George H.W. Bush (R): January 20, 1985-January 20, 1989
1984: def. Jimmy Carter (D), 269-269 EV/ 47.9%-48.5% PV
Lost renomination for perceived liberalism
42. Barbara Jordan (D): January 20, 1989-January 20, 1997
1988: def. Pat Buchanan (R), 273-264 EV/ 48.7%-48.2% PV
1992: def. Dick Cheney (R), 513-25 EV/ 60.1%-37.9% PV
Term-Limited
43. Al Gore (D): January 20, 1997-January 20, 2001
1996: def. Jack Kemp (R), 439-99 EV/ 55.9%-42.3% PV
Lost re-election bid
(-). Dick Gephardt (D), January 20, 2001-January 29, 2001
Vice President elected by the Senate on January 29, 2001
44. Dan Quayle (R), January 29, 2001-March 2, 2001
President elected by the House on February 28, 2001
45. George W. Bush (R): March 2, 2001-January 20, 2005
2000: def. Al Gore (D), 268-269 EV/ 47.8%-48.8% PV
Lost re-election bid
46. Bill Clinton (D): January 20, 2005-January 20, 2009
2004: def. George W. Bush (D), 321-216 EV/ 50.7%-46.5% PV
Lost re-election bid
47. George W. Bush (R): January 20, 2009-January 20, 2013
2008: def. Bill Clinton (D), 313-225 EV/ 50.7%-47.3% PV
Term-Limited
48. Hillary Clinton (D): January 20, 2013-November 17, 2015
2012: def. Rick Santorum (R), 357-181 EV/ 53.9%-44.5% PV
Resigned due to e-mail scandal on November 13, 2015
49. Barack Obama (D): November 17, 2015-January 20, 2021
2016: def. Ted Cruz (R), 290-248 EV/ 51.3%-46.9% PV
Retired
50. Joe Biden (D): January 20, 2021-Present
2020: def. Josh Mandel (R), 356-182 EV/ 54.1%-42.1% PV

PRESIDENTIAL RANKINGS:
Barbara Jordan (1989-1997) 3/49 (Rushmore)
Barack Obama (2015-2021) 9/49 (Great)
Henry Jackson (1977-1982) 10/49 (Great)
Al Gore (1997-2001) 15/49 (Good)
George HW Bush (1985-1989) 17/49 (Meh)
Jimmy Carter (1982-1985) 20/49 (Meh)
George W Bush (2001-2005, 2009-2013) 27/49 (Bad)
Bill Clinton (2005-2009) 28/49 (Bad)
Hillary Clinton (2013-2015) 33/49 (Shit)

TOP EXPENDITURES OF THE US GOVERNMENT:
Healthcare: $1.5 Trillion (Includes medical, dental, and vision coverage for roughly 95% of the population)
Income Security: $1.2 Trillion (Includes CTC, SSI, Food stamps, EITC, free childcare, and paid parental leave)
Defense: $1.1 Trillion (Includes the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, and ABM Command)
Social Security: $900 Billion (Payments to those over 65 or disabled who have less than $1 Million in savings or are under 400% of the poverty level)
K-12 Schools: $800 Billion (Roughly $17,000 per student depending on state (ranging from $10k in Mississippi to $35k in New York), also includes free school meals)
Higher Education: $450 Billion (Includes free community college and trade/job skills programs and reduced-priced university)
Infrastructure: $250 Billion (Includes annual Federal Infrastructure Trust payout and other investments)
Environment: $200 Billion (Includes the Department of Environmental Protection, the NPS, the FLT, and others)
TOTAL: $6.4 Trillion

TOP REVENUE SOURCES OF THE US GOVERNMENT:
Income Tax: $2.3 Trillion (40.0% Top Rate)
Payroll Tax: $1.6 Trillion (20.0% Top Rate)
Corporate Tax: $550 Billion (30.0% Top Rate)
Other Taxes: $550 Billion (Alcohol, Tobacco, etc)
S.W.F.: $450 Billion (On $6.5 Trillion fund)
Carbon Tax: $300 Billion ($100/MT)
Transaction Tax: $300 Billion (0.15% PBP)
Wealth Tax: $250 Billion (Warren Proposal)
TOTAL: $6.3 Trillion

DEFICIT: -$100 Billion
DEBT: $11.5 Trillion (46% of GDP)

 

[Thande]

Based on @Thande ‘s excellent TL.

2009 - 2017: Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democrat)
2008 def: John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican)
2012 def: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2017 - 2021: Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
2016 (Coalition) def: Donald Trump (Patriot), Bernie Sanders (Progressive), Ted Cruz (Constitution), John Kasich - Marco Rubio (Republican), (Republican-Constitution Fusion), Gary Johnson (Libertarian-Green Alliance)
2021 - 2021: Donald Trump (Patriot)
2020 (Coalition) def: Hillary Clinton (Democrat), Bernie Sanders (Progressive), Ted Cruz - Nikki Haley (Republican-Constitution Fusion), Evan McMullin (Alliance)
2021 - 2022: Donald Trump (Patriot minority)
2022 - 0000: Anthony Fauci (Independent coalition with Democrats, Progressives, and Republicans)

To many on the right their suspicions of the new electoral system being created to benefit the Democrats were only confirmed with Clinton and Sanders’ victory in the 2016 election. The Democratic-Progressive coalitions had a comfortable majority in the House, and the death of the Senate and filibuster meant that there was little the Republicans, and their split-offs, could do against “America’s most progressive government”, as Bernie Sanders called it.

The new 1000+ members of congress immediately went to work, and passed further improvements upon the Affordable Care Act, and further electoral reform within the first hundred days. This was quickly followed by universal preschool, legislation that further closed the gender pay gap, immigration reform, and the enshrining of same-sex marriage into law. Her first real challenges came with, ultimately successful, attempts for Wall Street reform, and the defeat of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Up to that point, the entirety of the Democratic and Progressive party worked together in unison, though by late 2017 the most moderate Democrats became more and more public about their opposition to the “socialism” of their coalition. This became an even bigger problem when the first defections to the Republican and National party started. There was never really and chance of Clinton losing her majority, but this new development, along with her falling polling numbers, mostly to the benefit of Trump’s Patriots who started to poll in first place, convinced her to slow things down, and attempt to win back the centre. This sudden shift became apparent in 2018, as her and Sanders clashed over fracking and the appropriate approach to the increasingly worsening crisis between Israel and Palestine, though there was never really any danger of the coalition falling apart.

Contrary to Clinton’s hopes, this pivot to the centre did not improve her numbers, with 2018 being characterized by Progressive victories in multiple high profile urban district by-elections. Even after Clinton and Sanders rivalry cooled down again, they never found their mojo again, as 2018 and 2019 were much more quiet years, with police- and tax reform being their most notable achievements.

Initially, 2020 looked to become largely the same as the two parties reached a compromise on environmental protection and paid family leave. However, the arrival of the covid-19 virus re-inspired close cooperation between the two, as a gigantic stimulus was passed, as well as monthly aid to struggling business owners and workers. More notable, were the clashes between the President and ‘red state’ governors over the government’s lockdown measures, which quickly came to dominate the 2020 election.

While the new government passed bill upon bill, the opposition hardly stood still. Donald Trump officially became “Opposition Leader”, though this position had little actual power, and the opposition remained mostly divided throughout Clinton’s presidency, as their strategies to oppose her administration differed significantly. The Republicans mostly proposed “fiscally responsible” alternatives to Democratic-Progressive proposals in order to both inspire moderate Democrats to rebel against the majorities’ proposals, and not seem obstructionist like the Patriots, who attempted to form a cordon sanitaire around the government, even opposing free trade reform bills, simply because they were proposed by the wrong party. The Constitution party attempted to find a balance between these two approaches, collaborating with the Republicans more often on fiscal policy, while being closer to the Patriots on social policy.

Few people were truly sure of how the 2020 elections would pan out, pollsters had underestimated the Democrats in 2012 and 2016, and there were serious fears among those on the right that 2020 would be more of the same. Nevertheless, Democratic polling numbers were much worse than in 2016 or 2012, and the party fought for second place with their coalition partners, who started to embrace an even more radical message, as the pandemic made the worsening of the state of the middle-class increasingly apparent.

On the right, the Republicans and Constitution Party fully embraced fusionism, after already having done so in some states in 2016. This move mostly came on the back of declining polling numbers, as well as fears of Trump cementing his position as the ‘leader’ of the right, though Nikki Haley made it clear that she was much more willing to cooperate with the orange menace than her 2016 counterparts. The Alliance Party on the other hand saw its two main components, the Libertarians and Greens, split off. Amusingly, the only Alliance members of parliament were Mormon moderates in Utah and Idaho, and transformed the party into a progressive conservative Mormon party with the absence of those radicals.

Nevertheless, the single biggest name in 2020 was still Trump. His party had gained multiple big figure defections from other right-wing parties throughout Clinton’s presidency, and was polling in first place ever since 2018, aside from a brief fall immediately after the start of the lockdowns. It were said lockdowns that the Trump campaign dominated their message around, as the Patriots rallied against these measures, with many even questioning the realness of the pandemic, as well as dabbling in numerous other conspiracy theories.

Despite Trump arguably being even more dangerous than 2016, the media and American public had once again underestimated him, as he finished with a big plurality, with the Democrats only barely gaining more seats than third-placed Progressives. There were a variety of theories to explain this development, though vote-splitting on the left, while the right was mostly dominated by the Patriots, is the easiest explanation for Trump’s victory. Nevertheless, he held no majority and had to enter coalition talks with the Republicans and Consitutionists. These talks only finished days before the legal end of Clinton’s term, and after multiple Republicans, confirming Trump as the 46th President of the United States, and the first not from one of the two major parties since the mid-19th century.

Trump’s government immediately went to work, slashing multiple pieces of legislation made by Clinton, as well as slashing the tax rates on the wealthiest 1%, though things went much slower than anyone on the right had hoped, as the government was even more split than the previous one in its worst years. One of the main issues was free trade, as many Republicans simply refused to go along with Trump’s proposals. The disagreements between the two only became more apparent when Mitt Romney was elected leader of the Conservative Party over less anti-Trump rivals, and the party ended its close cooperations with the Constitutionists, who had almost completely embraced Trump.

The Patriot-Conservative-Constitution government would survive for a few more months, with Trump’s militaristic reaction to the anti-police brutality riots of 2021 spelling the ultimate end of the government, as Romney pulled his Conservatives out of the coalition, leaving Trump with a minority. Despite some hopes of the Conservatives reaching a compromise with the left, and forming a new government, Romney made it clear that his party did not want to re-enter government any time soon, though he already had to walk back those statements after a few months.

The catalyst for the establishment of a new coalition did not came due to domestic reasons, but from the Democratic party’s biggest enemy, as Vladimir Putin’s Russia invaded the Ukraine. Even Trump’s biggest opponents did not expect him to come out in favor of the invasion to such a degree, and multiple MPs of the Consitution Party defected to the Conservatives. A few days later the Democrats, Progressives and Conservatives passed a motion of no confidence against Trump, and replaced him with an unpartisan pick that the three could unite around.

Unsurprisingly, Trump and his supporters were not pleased with this new development, and for a time there were fears that Trump would refuse to leave the White House, though the eventual reaction from the far-right would be much worse, as Trumpists attacked the Capitol when it was voting on Fauci, though a small miracle led to no members of congress being hurt during the attacks. Hours later Trump left for Mar-a-lago, vowing to return soon.

The Fauci government has so far proved to be a divisive one, its components agree on little more than their opposition to Trump, and their investigation into him seems unlikely to halt his attempts to run for the presidency again. Furthermore, the Russian invasion proved to be much less successful than expected, especially with American weapons flooding into Ukraine. It was thus that the Republicans called for general elections in November 2022.

The various parties represented in congress have already started with their plans for the 2022 election, with the Democrats and Progressives, scared of a repeat of 2020, agreeing to running a join-ticket, as party leaders Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders put Elizabeth Warren forward as their presidential candidate. Trump’s patriots have nearly completely cannibalized Cruz’ Constitution party, as they’re also effectively running on a joint-list, though one much more favorable to Trump’s Patriots. Lastly, Romney’s Republicans are running on their own, though the party is doing worse in the polls than ever before, even losing some of its MPs to the Forward Party.

The Forward Party was created by Andrew Yang, formerly a Progressive MP, as a party based primarily on his proposal for UBI. Over the past 12 months the party has attracted politicians and voters from various political backgrounds, ranging from McMullin’s Alternative, anti-imperialist leftists, post-Trumpists, and moderate Republicans who are personally opposed to Romney. The party is currently tied with the Republicans in third place.

Ha, that's definitely a direction to take it! Nice work.

 

[Thande]

Random, but this is me attempting to actually plausibly set down something I casually threw out in TL planning for what eventually became "Surly Bonds" way back in 2003/4, when I knew almost nothing about how US politics works:

List of Class II United States Senators from Texas

1985-2002: Phil Gramm (Republican)
1984 def: Lloyd Doggett (Democratic)
1990 def: Hugh Parmer (Democratic), Gary Johnson* (Libertarian)
1996 def: Victor M. Morales (Democratic), Michael Bird (Libertarian), John Huff (Natural Law)
2002-2020: George W. Bush (Republican)
2002 def: Ron Kirk (Democratic), Scott Jameson (Libertarian), Roy Williams (Green)
2008 def: Gene Kelly** (Democratic), Scott Jameson (Libertarian)
2014 def: Kesha Rogers (Ind. Republican), Wendy Davis (Democratic)
2020-2032: George W. Bush (Union)
2020: re-elected by state legislature vote
2026 def: Philip Ryan Jr. (Independent)



*No, not that one - but that's quite a coincidence.
**No, not that one either.

 

[XO🌈]

Inspired by @Sideways’ cataloguing of British PM lists, i thought i’d go back and “average out” every U.S. presidents list posted for the last twenty-five or so pages. (OTL presidents were excluded from the running.)

Presidents of the United States
1953–1957: Adlai Stevenson II (Democratic)
1957–1961: William Knowland (Republican)
1961–1969: Stuart Symington (Democratic)
1969–1973: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1973–1977: Charles Percy (Republican)
1977–1981: Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (Democratic)
1981–1993: Gary Hart (Democratic)
1993–1997: Paul Tsongas (Democratic)
1997–2001: Pete Wilson (Republican)
2001–2005: Al Gore (Democratic)
2005–2009: Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
2009–2013: Al Gore (Democratic)
2013–2021: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2021–2025: Bernie Sanders (Democratic)
2025–2027: Ron DeSantis (Republican)
2027–2029: Kamala Harris (Democratic) [Overtakes DeSantis due to Biden having a tendency to die mid-term]
2029–2033: Kyrsten Sinema (Democratic)
2033–2041: Elise Stefanik (Republican)
2041–: Benji Backer (Republican)

 

[Qaz_plm]

1974-1977: Gerald Ford (Republican)
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1976: Ronald Reagan (Republican), Eugene McCarthy (Independent)
1981-1985: Ted Kennedy (Democratic)
1980: Gerald Ford (Republican)
1985-1993: Charles Percy (Republican)
1984: Ted Kennedy (Democratic)
1988: Joe Biden (Democratic)
1993-2001: Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1992: Dan Quayle (Republican)
1996: Jim Webb (Republican)
2001-2009: Charles Barkley (Republican)
2000: Henry Cisneros (Democratic)
2004: Geoffrey Fieger (Democratic)

idea that was floating around in my head

 

[theflyingmgoose]

Based Richard Nixon Leads To More Based-Ness

37. Fmr. Vice President Richard Nixon/Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R): January 20, 1969-January 20, 1977
1968: def. Hubert Humphrey (D), George Wallace (I)| 289-203-46 EV/42.9%-42.6%-8.6% PV
1972: def. George McGovern (D)| 535-0 EV/ 63.2%-34.1% PV -Nixon is too liberal for me but McGovern is a communist (southern voter thought process)
38. Secretary of State George H.W. Bush/Representative Gerald Ford (R): January 20, 1977-January 20, 1981
1976: def. Hugh Carey (D)| 379-159 EV/ 54.2%-42.8% PV -Nixon is based, just vote for whoever he says (most voters)
39. Senator Henry 'Scoop' Jackson/Representative Shirley Chisholm (D): January 20, 1981-September 4, 1983
1980: def. Ronald Reagan (R)| 285-253 EV/ 50.3%-48.0% PV -Economy crashed lol lets primary Bush and whoops Reagan sucks lets go for Jackson now
40. Vice President Shirley Chisholm/VACANT (D): September 4, 1983-December 11, 1983
40. President Shirley Chisholm/Secretary of Environmental Protection Jimmy Carter (D): December 11, 1983-January 20, 1989
1984: def. Jesse Helms (R)| 295-243 EV/ 50.3%-45.4% PV -I approve of the President's performance on national security, the economy, and foreign affairs but for some reason I just don't like her (30% of America)
41. Vice President Jimmy Carter/Senator Elizabeth Holtzman (D): January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993
1988: def. Pat Buchanan (R)| 428-110 EV/ 56.2%-39.9% PV -C'mon guys third times the charm if we keep nominating southern racists against popular incumbents (Republicans)
42. Senator Charles Percy/Fmr. Secretary of Defense Daniel Inouye (R): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
1992: def. Jimmy Carter (D)| 290-248 EV/ 49.6%-48.3% PV -Carter didn't bomb enough A-rabs and was too internationalist. Let's vote for a former Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee instead (Dumbasses)
1996: def. Bill Clinton (D)| 512-26 EV/ 59.5%-37.6% PV -No complaints, Bill Clinton is not moral and economy is good (America)
43. Vice President Daniel Inouye/Governor Bill Weld (R): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2005
2000: def. Dianne Feinstein (D)| 314-224 EV/ 51.0%-47.5% PV -This is the most boring election ever lol
44. Senator Al Gore/Governor Bernie Sanders (D): January 20, 2005-January 20, 2013
2004: def. Bill Weld (R)| 278-260 EV/ 47.9%-47.8% PV -My water bill went up fuck almond farmers lets do the climate thing
2008: def. Bob Dole (R)| 308-230 EV/ 52.0%-46.5% PV -At some point the WWII heroes age out bro
45. Governor Charlie Baker/Representative Paul Ryan (R): January 20, 2013-January 20, 2021
2012: def. Bernie Sanders (D)| 272-266 EV/ 47.5%-48.5% PV -Yes, I made Charlie Baker the conservative wing of the GOP. You're welcome.
2016: def. Hillary Clinton (D)| 357-181 EV/ 50.0%-45.9% PV -No.
46. Comedian Jon Stewart/Fmr. Governor Barack Obama (D): January 20, 2021-Present
2016: def. Paul Ryan (R)| 445-93 EV/ 57.3%-40.0% PV -I like my free healthcare, thank you very much

RANKINGS OF PRESIDENTS:
Shirley Chisholm (1983-1989), #5/45
-First Female President
-First Black President
Richard Nixon (1969-1977), #6/45
Charles Percy (1993-2001), #10/45
Al Gore (2005-2013), #16/45
Daniel Inouye (2001-2005), #18/45
Jimmy Carter (1989-1993), #20/45
Scoop Jackson (1981-1983), #21/45
Charlie Baker (2013-2021), #25/45
George Bush (1977-1981), #31/45

 

[Blackentheborg]

Based Richard Nixon Leads To More Based-Ness

37. Fmr. Vice President Richard Nixon/Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R): January 20, 1969-January 20, 1977
1968: def. Hubert Humphrey (D), George Wallace (I)| 289-203-46 EV/42.9%-42.6%-8.6% PV
1972: def. George McGovern (D)| 535-0 EV/ 63.2%-34.1% PV -Nixon is too liberal for me but McGovern is a communist (southern voter thought process)
38. Secretary of State George H.W. Bush/Representative Gerald Ford (R): January 20, 1977-January 20, 1981
1976: def. Hugh Carey (D)| 379-159 EV/ 54.2%-42.8% PV -Nixon is based, just vote for whoever he says (most voters)
39. Senator Henry 'Scoop' Jackson/Representative Shirley Chisholm (D): January 20, 1981-September 4, 1983
1980: def. Ronald Reagan (R)| 285-253 EV/ 50.3%-48.0% PV -Economy crashed lol lets primary Bush and whoops Reagan sucks lets go for Jackson now
40. Vice President Shirley Chisholm/VACANT (D): September 4, 1983-December 11, 1983
40. President Shirley Chisholm/Secretary of Environmental Protection Jimmy Carter (D): December 11, 1983-January 20, 1989
1984: def. Jesse Helms (R)| 295-243 EV/ 50.3%-45.4% PV -I approve of the President's performance on national security, the economy, and foreign affairs but for some reason I just don't like her (30% of America)
41. Vice President Jimmy Carter/Senator Elizabeth Holtzman (D): January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993
1988: def. Pat Buchanan (R)| 428-110 EV/ 56.2%-39.9% PV -C'mon guys third times the charm if we keep nominating southern racists against popular incumbents (Republicans)
42. Senator Charles Percy/Fmr. Secretary of Defense Daniel Inouye (R): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
1992: def. Jimmy Carter (D)| 290-248 EV/ 49.6%-48.3% PV -Carter didn't bomb enough A-rabs and was too internationalist. Let's vote for a former Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee instead (Dumbasses)
1996: def. Bill Clinton (D)| 512-26 EV/ 59.5%-37.6% PV -No complaints, Bill Clinton is not moral and economy is good (America)
43. Vice President Daniel Inouye/Governor Bill Weld (R): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2005
2000: def. Dianne Feinstein (D)| 314-224 EV/ 51.0%-47.5% PV -This is the most boring election ever lol
44. Senator Al Gore/Governor Bernie Sanders (D): January 20, 2005-January 20, 2013
2004: def. Bill Weld (R)| 278-260 EV/ 47.9%-47.8% PV -My water bill went up fuck almond farmers lets do the climate thing
2008: def. Bob Dole (R)| 308-230 EV/ 52.0%-46.5% PV -At some point the WWII heroes age out bro
45. Governor Charlie Baker/Representative Paul Ryan (R): January 20, 2013-January 20, 2021
2012: def. Bernie Sanders (D)| 272-266 EV/ 47.5%-48.5% PV -Yes, I made Charlie Baker the conservative wing of the GOP. You're welcome.
2016: def. Hillary Clinton (D)| 357-181 EV/ 50.0%-45.9% PV -No.
46. Comedian Jon Stewart/Fmr. Governor Barack Obama (D): January 20, 2021-Present
2016: def. Paul Ryan (R)| 445-93 EV/ 57.3%-40.0% PV -I like my free healthcare, thank you very much

RANKINGS OF PRESIDENTS:
Shirley Chisholm (1983-1989), #5/45
-First Female President
-First Black President
Richard Nixon (1969-1977), #6/45
Charles Percy (1993-2001), #10/45
Al Gore (2005-2013), #16/45
Daniel Inouye (2001-2005), #18/45
Jimmy Carter (1989-1993), #20/45
Scoop Jackson (1981-1983), #21/45
Charlie Baker (2013-2021), #25/45
George Bush (1977-1981), #31/45

Why is Daniel Inouye a Republican?

 

[Sideways]

Inspired by @Sideways’ cataloguing of British PM lists, i thought i’d go back and “average out” every U.S. presidents list posted for the last twenty-five or so pages. (OTL presidents were excluded from the running.)

lol good job. I'd love to see a fully international list but who has that amount of time?

it's interesting to see an american version - I need to get back to the British one we've had two PMs since last time I did it

 

[theflyingmgoose]

Why is Daniel Inouye a Republican?

He's appointed Secretary of Defense under Bush. Parties are also a bit closer to each other politically than OTL.

 

[Kimkatya]

Inspired by @Sideways’ cataloguing of British PM lists, i thought i’d go back and “average out” every U.S. presidents list posted for the last twenty-five or so pages. (OTL presidents were excluded from the running.)

Presidents of the United States
1953–1957: Adlai Stevenson II (Democratic)
1957–1961: William Knowland (Republican)
1961–1969: Stuart Symington (Democratic)
1969–1973: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1973–1977: Charles Percy (Republican)
1977–1981: Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (Democratic)
1981–1993: Gary Hart (Democratic)
1993–1997: Paul Tsongas (Democratic)
1997–2001: Pete Wilson (Republican)
2001–2005: Al Gore (Democratic)
2005–2009: Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
2009–2013: Al Gore (Democratic)
2013–2021: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2021–2025: Bernie Sanders (Democratic)
2025–2027: Ron DeSantis (Republican)
2027–2029: Kamala Harris (Democratic) [Overtakes DeSantis due to Biden having a tendency to die mid-term]
2029–2033: Kyrsten Sinema (Democratic)
2033–2041: Elise Stefanik (Republican)
2041–: Benji Backer (Republican)

The 1996 Election: so boring, Pete Wilson is the most common alternate President

 

[Kaddeus]

Premiers of British Columbia

2022-2024: David Eby (New Democratic)

2024-2030: Kevin Falcon (United | Vancouver⁠-Quilchena)
2024: def. David Eby (New Democratic | Vancouver-Point Grey), Sonia Furstenau (Green | Cowichan Valley), Aaron Gunn (Conservative | Chilliwack North)
2026 BCNDP leadership: Ravi Kahlon (✓), Katrina Chen, Nathan Cullen, Avi Lewis
2028: def. Ravi Kahlon (New Democratic | Delta North), Sonia Furstenau (Green | Cowichan Valley), Ashley Zarbatany (Solidarity | North Island)

2030-2032: Sarah Kirby-Yung (United | Vancouver⁠-Yaletown)

2032-: Bowinn Ma (New Democratic | North Vancouver-Lonsdale)
2032: def. Sarah Kirby-Yung (United | Vancouver-Yaletown), Nicole Charlwood (Grassroots | Kootenay Central)

 

[frustrated progressive]

Inspired by @Sideways’ cataloguing of British PM lists, i thought i’d go back and “average out” every U.S. presidents list posted for the last twenty-five or so pages. (OTL presidents were excluded from the running.)

Presidents of the United States
...
2033–2041: Elise Stefanik (Republican)
2041–: Benji Backer (Republican)

Beautiful.

Holy moly, assuming it's OTL before then so Truman precedes Stevenson and all...would that make Stefanik the first Republican President elected to two terms ITTL since Grant?

 

[Lilitou]

Gordon Brown coming back as PM would be an impossible banter timeline intended only for soft leftists on twitter

Bolsa Browna - The British Brazillian​

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, 1997-present

1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Majority) def: John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Dafydd Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
1997 Conservative leadership election: William Hague 57%, Kenneth Clarke 43%
2001 (Majority) def: William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), John Swinney (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)
2001 Conservative leadership election: Iain Duncan Smith 61%, Kenneth Clarke 39%
2003 Euro adoption referendum: Yes 41%, No 59%
2004 Labour leadership election: Gordon Brown 88%, Michael Meacher 12%
2004-2012: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2004 (Majority) def: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)
2004 Conservative leadership election: Kenneth Clarke 54%, Liam Fox 46%
2006 Liberal Democrats leadership election: Menzies Campbell 45%, Chris Huhne 32%, Simon Hughes 23%
2008 (Majority) def: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru), Daniel Hannan (Britain First)
2008 Conservative leadership election: David Cameron 66%, Kenneth Clarke 34%
2008 Liberal Democrats leadership election: Vince Cable 72%, Chris Huhne 28%
2012 Labour leadership election: Tessa Jowell (unopposed)
2012-2015: Tessa Jowell (Labour)
2012 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def: David Cameron (Conservative), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Noel Edmonds (Britain First), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)
2012 Conservative leadership election: Boris Johnson 44%, George Osborne 34%, David Davis 22%
2014 Proportional representation referendum: Party-list proportional 27%, Additional member system 33%, First-past-the-post 40%
2015-2017: Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats)
2015 Labour leadership election: David Miliband 41%, John McDonnell 37%, Tessa Jowell 22%
2017-2021: Noel Edmonds (Britain First)
2017 (Coalition with Conservatives and Christian Democracy) def: David Miliband (Labour), Boris Johnson (Conservative), Anna Soubry (Progressive Conservatives), Katy Clark (The Left), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Alan Craig (Christian Democracy), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Caroline Lucas (Greens), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)
2017 European Union membership referendum: Remain 48%, Leave 52%
2018 capital punishment referendum: Restore 55%, Retain 45%
2019 broadcasting language referendum: Any Language 57%, English Only 43%
2020 wind farms referendum: Scrapped
2020 coronavirus restrictions referendum: No Restrictions 42%, Restrictions 58%
2021-prsnt: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2021 (Coalition with Progressive Conservatives, The Left, Greens and Liberal Democrats) def: Noel Edmonds (Britain First), Kenneth Clarke (Progressive Conservatives), Boris Johnson (Conservative), Zarah Sultana (The Left), Caroline Lucas (Greens), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats), Alan Craig (Christian Democracy), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)

 

[CTTeller]

2017-2021: Noel Edmonds (Britain First)

The founder of Virgin leading one of the scariest governments followed by Gordon Brown leading a much more... sane government, I like it!

 

[Mumby]

The founder of Virgin leading one of the scariest governments followed by Gordon Brown leading a much more... sane government, I like it!

noel edmonds founded mr blobby

 

[Catalunya]

Bolsa Browna - The British Brazillian​

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, 1997-present

1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Majority) def: John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Dafydd Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
1997 Conservative leadership election: William Hague 57%, Kenneth Clarke 43%
2001 (Majority) def: William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), John Swinney (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)
2001 Conservative leadership election: Iain Duncan Smith 61%, Kenneth Clarke 39%
2003 Euro adoption referendum: Yes 41%, No 59%
2004 Labour leadership election: Gordon Brown 88%, Michael Meacher 12%
2004-2012: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2004 (Majority) def: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)
2004 Conservative leadership election: Kenneth Clarke 54%, Liam Fox 46%
2006 Liberal Democrats leadership election: Menzies Campbell 45%, Chris Huhne 32%, Simon Hughes 23%
2008 (Majority) def: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru), Daniel Hannan (Britain First)
2008 Conservative leadership election: David Cameron 66%, Kenneth Clarke 34%
2008 Liberal Democrats leadership election: Vince Cable 72%, Chris Huhne 28%
2012 Labour leadership election: Tessa Jowell (unopposed)
2012-2015: Tessa Jowell (Labour)
2012 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def: David Cameron (Conservative), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Noel Edmonds (Britain First), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)
2012 Conservative leadership election: Boris Johnson 44%, George Osborne 34%, David Davis 22%
2014 Proportional representation referendum: Party-list proportional 27%, Additional member system 33%, First-past-the-post 40%
2015-2017: Vince Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015 Labour leadership election: David Miliband 41%, John McDonnell 37%, Tessa Jowell 22%
2017-2021: Noel Edmonds (Britain First)
2017 (Coalition with Conservatives and Christian Democracy) def: David Miliband (Labour), Boris Johnson (Conservative), Anna Soubry (Progressive Conservatives), Katy Clark (The Left), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Alan Craig (Christian Democracy), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Caroline Lucas (Greens), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)
2017 European Union membership referendum: Remain 48%, Leave 52%
2018 capital punishment referendum: Restore 55%, Retain 45%
2019 broadcasting language referendum: Any Language 57%, English Only 43%
2020 wind farms referendum: Scrapped
2020 coronavirus restrictions referendum: No Restrictions 42%, Restrictions 58%
2021-prsnt: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2021 (Coalition with Progressive Conservatives, The Left, Greens and Liberal Democrats) def: Noel Edmonds (Britain First), Kenneth Clarke (Progressive Conservatives), Boris Johnson (Conservative), Zarah Sultana (The Left), Caroline Lucas (Greens), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats), Alan Craig (Christian Democracy), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru)

Love the sheer madness of this. Did that many parties win seats in a FPTP system?

 

[Kaddeus]

Presidents of the United States of America

2021-2025: Joe Biden (Democratic)
-2020 (w/ Kamala Harris) def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican)
[306-232]


2025-2029: Donald Trump (Republican)
-2024 (w/ Kari Lake) def. Kamala Harris/Chris Murphy (Democratic)
[281-257]


2029-2033: Kari Lake (Republican)
-2028 (w/ Mark Robinson) def. Gretchen Whitmer/Eric Adams (Democratic)
[290-248]


2033-present: Mallory McMorrow (Democratic)
-2032 (w/ Rui Xu) def. Kari Lake/Mark Robinson (Republican)
[349-189]
​

 

[Lilitou]

Love the sheer madness of this. Did that many parties win seats in a FPTP system?

My idea was that although the referendum failed, the government still forces through some sort of PR (still love that FPTP wins... but in a uniquely FPTP way of not winning the popular vote). It might even be that that turns out to be illegal (?) and combines with cash for honours+ to take down Jowell!

 

[theflyingmgoose]

Joe Biden/Kamala Harris (D): January 20, 2021-January 20, 2025
'20 def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence (R), 306-232/51.3%-46.9%

Donald Trump/Ron DeSantis (R), Donald Trump died on December 18, 2024
Ron DeSantis/VACANT (R): January 20, 2025-March 15, 2025
Ron DeSantis/Nikki Haley (R): March 15, 2025-January 20, 2033
'24 def. Kamala Harris/Gary Peters (D), 278-260, 47.3%-49.8%
'28 def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Steve Sisolak (D), 272-266, 45.5%-49.0%


Jared Polis/Keisha Lance Bottoms (D): January 20, 2033-January 20, 2041
'28 def. Josh Hawley/Kari Lake (R), 392-146/52.9%-45.5%
'32 def. Marjorie Greene/Jackson Hinkle, 537-1/64.5%-31.9%

 

[allthepresidentsmen]

Presidents of the United States of America:
1981-1987: Senator Joseph R. "Joe" Biden / Representative Corrine M. "Lindy" Boggs (Democratic)
'80 def. John Connally / Sandra Day O'Connor (Republican)
'84 def. John Tower / Lowell Weicker (Republican)
1987-1988: Vice President Corrine M. "Lindy" Boggs / Vacant (Democratic)
1988-1993: President Corrine M. "Lindy" Boggs / Senator William W. "Bill" Bradley (Democratic)
'88 def. Bob Dole / Jack Kemp (Republican)
1993-2001: Senator George W. Bush / Governor Terry E. Branstad (Republican)
'92: def. Lindy Boggs / Bill Bradley (Democratic), Donald Trump / Jerry Brown (Independent)
'96: def. Dick Gephardt / Zell Miller (Democratic), Jerry Brown / Ralph Nader (Progress!)
2001-2009: Governor H. Ross Perot / Senator Anthony Carroll "Tony" Knowles (Democratic)
'00 def. Terry Branstad / John McCain (Republican)
'04 def. Marc Racicot / John Ashcroft (Republican)
2009-2013: Senator Johnny R. "John" Edwards / Governor Judith H. "Judi" Dutcher (Democratic)
'08 def. John Kasich / J. C. Watts (Republican), Jerry Falwell Jr. / Jim Traficant (Constitution)
2013-2017: Senator Sarah L. Palin / Governor W. Mitt Romney (Republican)
'12: def. Judi Dutcher / Phil Bredesen (Democratic), Ben Cohen / Cindy Sheehan (Occupy!)
2017-pres.: Senator R. Hunter Biden / Governor Allison Lundergan Grimes (Democratic)
'16 def. Sarah Palin / Mitt Romney (Republican)

Senator Joseph R. "Joe" Biden (Democratic; Delaware)
1981-1987
(b. 1942, d. 2004; 61 years)​