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Yokai Man’s Test Thread Thing

1916-1921 David Lloyd George (Liberal leading War Government,Coalition Government)
1918 def: William Adamson [Labour],H.H.Asquith [Liberal],Éamon de Valera [Sinn Féin],John Dillon [Irish Parliamentary],Henry Page Croft [National]

1921-1926 Austen Chamberlain (Coalition Government,Conservative Majority)
1921 def: J.R.Clynes [Labour],H.H.Asquith [Liberal]

1926-1931 Ramsey MacDonald (Labour Majority,Labour Minority with Liberal support and confidence)
1926 def: Austen Chamberlain [Conservative],Sir Donald Maclean [Liberal]

1931-1940 Stanley Baldwin (Conservative Majority)
1931 def: Ramsey MacDonald [Labour],Sir Donald Maclean [Liberal],Oswald Mosley [SBP]
1935 def: Arthur Henderson [Labour],Sir Archibald Sinclair [Liberal],Oswald Mosley [SBP]


1940-19xx A.V. Alexander (Labour-Liberal Coalition)
1940 def: Stanley Baldwin [Conservative],Sir Archibald Sinclair [Liberal],John Strachey [SBP]
1945 def: Samuel Hoare [Conservative],Sir Archibald Sinclair [Liberal],John Strachey [SBP]
 
I guess the Coalition falls over the Irish War in '21? Alexander (and Strachey as a blender of ideas) are decent picks for a different Labour movement than the generic Fabianism, etc. we got IOTL.

Although Donald Maclean was really a stopgag for Asquith until he returned to the Commons, he didn't do too badly in the role so I liked seeing him here.
 
I guess the Coalition falls over the Irish War in '21? Alexander (and Strachey as a blender of ideas) are decent picks for a different Labour movement than the generic Fabianism, etc. we got IOTL.

Although Donald Maclean was really a stopgag for Asquith until he returned to the Commons, he didn't do too badly in the role so I liked seeing him here.
Not quite,it falls after David Lloyd George is forced to resign and put in trial and then sent to jail for attempted murder of Victor Grayson as well as other numerous crimes.

The Irish War/Civil War becomes bloodier after Liam Lynch and the IRA orchestrate a coup against the Dáil in 1922 (as they considered OTL,here it’s helped by seeing D’Annunzio be “successful“ and the IRA wanting to emulate him),Labour wins a small majority and no historic betrayal happens and the Liberals manage to remain an important force in politics.
 
Not quite,it falls after David Lloyd George is forced to resign and put in trial and then sent to jail for attempted murder of Victor Grayson as well as other numerous crimes.

The Irish War/Civil War becomes bloodier after Liam Lynch and the IRA orchestrate a coup against the Dáil in 1922 (as they considered OTL,here it’s helped by seeing D’Annunzio be “successful“ and the IRA wanting to emulate him),Labour wins a small majority and no historic betrayal happens and the Liberals manage to remain an important force in politics.

Interesting, if I recall Maundy Gregory was used by other parties as well for selling honours, so I guess Lloyd George makes a scapegoat that no-one really wants to defend.

With Lynch living longer do you see the Irish getting their new republican constitution to replace the 1921 Treaty?
 
Interesting, if I recall Maundy Gregory was used by other parties as well for selling honours, so I guess Lloyd George makes a scapegoat that no-one really wants to defend.

With Lynch living longer do you see the Irish getting their new republican constitution to replace the 1921 Treaty?
No not really,the Civil War gets bloodier instead and he and the IRA try to be the new Ardeti,but eventually fail.

The real big impact is the members of the Dáil being arrested and mostly likely all executed by the Junta,which makes things in Norn infinitely worse and Britain spending more time to resettle some order there instead of really fighting the Anti Treaty forces.

1922-1925 Liam Lynch,Ceannaire of the Free Republic of Ireland


1925-1926 Rory O’Connell,Ceannaire of the Free Republic of Ireland

1926-1926 Liam Deasy,Ceannaire of the Free Republic of Ireland


-dissolution of the Anti Treaty forces,disputed leadership of the IRA-


I planned to do something with this during the monthly vignette contest but I had some problems at home and at work and thus couldn't do it.
 
Yeah Ireland's not in for a good time at all, I can see the British holding onto Northern Ireland and not touching the hornet's nest down south. And whoever emerges to replace the Dali, what that society looks like.

It's a good idea for a vignette, how Ireland emerges from this.
 
Presidents of the People’s Russian Republic

1919-1926 Viktor Chernov (Socialist Revolutionary Party)

1919 def: Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik),Julius Martov (Menshevik),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Vladimir Lenin (Anti Revisionist Workers Party)

1926-1932 Nikolai Avksentiev (Socialist Revolutionary Party)
1926 def: Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik),Alexandr Martynov (Menshevik),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Vladimir Mayakovsky (Futurist Revolution)

1932-1939 Alexei Rykov (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact)
1932 def: Mikhail Kalinin (Socialist Revolutionary),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Lev Chernyi (Independent)

1939-1946 Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact)
1939 def: Boris Kamkov (Socialist Revolutionary),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Mikhail Tukhachevsky (write-in votes)

1946-present day Boris Kamkov (Socialist Revolutionary Party)
1946 def: Andrei Bubnov (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact),Vladimir Nabokov Sr (Kadet),Karl Radek (20th Century Russia)
 
Presidents of the People’s Russian Republic

1919-1926 Viktor Chernov (Socialist Revolutionary Party)

1919 def: Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik),Julius Martov (Menshevik),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Vladimir Lenin (Anti Revisionist Workers Party)

1926-1932 Nikolai Avksentiev (Socialist Revolutionary Party)
1926 def: Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik),Alexandr Martynov (Menshevik),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Vladimir Mayakovsky (Futurist Revolution)

1932-1939 Alexei Rykov (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact)
1932 def: Mikhail Kalinin (Socialist Revolutionary),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Lev Chernyi (Independent)

1939-1946 Grigory Zinoviev (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact)
1939 def: Boris Kamkov (Socialist Revolutionary),Pavel Milyukov (Kadet),Mikhail Tukhachevsky (write-in votes)

1946-present day Boris Kamkov (Socialist Revolutionary Party)
1946 def: Andrei Bubnov (Bolshevik-Menshevik People’s Pact),Vladimir Nabokov Sr (Kadet),Karl Radek (20th Century Russia)

I think it's worth remembering Lenin was the one harping for a socialism unity coalition to replace the bourgeois government propped up by the Mensheviks and right-SR, I'm not sure he'd fuck off. Either the Bolsheviks are included and it's the SR finally doing what he called for or they aren't and he can keep being the opposition.

Thinking about it, there's one way to work this and that's the peace question. If it's the result of a defencist coalition managing to stabilize the war and civil war at the same time (good luck), then I can see this resulting in Lenin being kicked out, since that's about the only way the Bolsheviks would take a defencist line.

The Bolshevik-Menshevik rapprochement makes sense in that light, especially Mensheviks that can elect Martov to lead them (who was very much on their left). But I think they'd just go back to the pre split name as a sign if reunification? The RSDLP name still has power to it.
 
I think it's worth remembering Lenin was the one harping for a socialism unity coalition to replace the bourgeois government propped up by the Mensheviks and right-SR, I'm not sure he'd fuck off. Either the Bolsheviks are included and it's the SR finally doing what he called for or they aren't and he can keep being the opposition.

Thinking about it, there's one way to work this and that's the peace question. If it's the result of a defencist coalition managing to stabilize the war and civil war at the same time (good luck), then I can see this resulting in Lenin being kicked out, since that's about the only way the Bolsheviks would take a defencist line.

The Bolshevik-Menshevik rapprochement makes sense in that light, especially Mensheviks that can elect Martov to lead them (who was very much on their left). But I think they'd just go back to the pre split name as a sign if reunification? The RSDLP name still has power to it.
Basically what happened was something I talked about in the Germans Take Over Petrograd thread-Petrograd is conqured,most of the prominent Bolsheviks end up dead or in jail by the Germans,Lenin is isolated,Kerensky is forced to sue for peace due to the Germans being 100 km away from Moscow and a second Revolution happening (sorta,it's mostly just protests) and voila. Due to Lenin being MIA,Zinoviev (one of the few Bolsheviks who managed to escape Petrograd) and Rykov argue to sharing power with other parties and organizing free parliamentary and presidential elections.

After Germany falls into anarchy after 12 December 1918 due to WW1 being slightly longer,Lenin manages to return to Russia,angry as fuck that Zinoviev and others have done things that he hates and keeps insulting and harrasing them,which is finally the last straw for many in the Party,fed of Lenin being a cunt all the time to them,and decide to kick him out. Lenin out of spite creates his own party which only gets 10 seats only because of the vote being tight in some places. Few know who Lenin is due to him not being present during the First and Second Revolutions and the ones that do think he is a former German spy and traitor or a has been who is throwing a hissy fit over not being in charge.

The Bolshevik-Menshevik Pact is named the way it is because due to EVENTS they still don't get along per se and thus it takes them a few years to form an alliance as to not split the protest vote against SR (who suffer a little due to the Crash and what not).
 
Basically what happened was something I talked about in the Germans Take Over Petrograd thread-Petrograd is conqured,most of the prominent Bolsheviks end up dead or in jail by the Germans,Lenin is isolated,Kerensky is forced to sue for peace due to the Germans being 100 km away from Moscow and a second Revolution happening (sorta,it's mostly just protests) and voila. Due to Lenin being MIA,Zinoviev (one of the few Bolsheviks who managed to escape Petrograd) and Rykov argue to sharing power with other parties and organizing free parliamentary and presidential elections.

After Germany falls into anarchy after 12 December 1918 due to WW1 being slightly longer,Lenin manages to return to Russia,angry as fuck that Zinoviev and others have done things that he hates and keeps insulting and harrasing them,which is finally the last straw for many in the Party,fed of Lenin being a cunt all the time to them,and decide to kick him out. Lenin out of spite creates his own party which only gets 10 seats only because of the vote being tight in some places. Few know who Lenin is due to him not being present during the First and Second Revolutions and the ones that do think he is a former German spy and traitor or a has been who is throwing a hissy fit over not being in charge.

The Bolshevik-Menshevik Pact is named the way it is because due to EVENTS they still don't get along per se and thus it takes them a few years to form an alliance as to not split the protest vote against SR (who suffer a little due to the Crash and what not).

Not sure Lenin would hate the result, again. His main issues with the SR and Mensheviks was them insisting on propping up a bourgeois lead government rather than governing as themselves and the war issue. if Kerensky makes peace then fall and the Bolsheviks are included in the broad front, he's probably still fitting into the party.
 
Not sure Lenin would hate the result, again. His main issues with the SR and Mensheviks was them insisting on propping up a bourgeois lead government rather than governing as themselves and the war issue. if Kerensky makes peace then fall and the Bolsheviks are included in the broad front, he's probably still fitting into the party.
It’s more because the party has grown into something that doesn’t necessarily needs him anymore and that pisses Lenin off,along with the Moscow Committee being more in change due to,again,almost everyone else relevant in the party dying/being imprisoned by the occupying Germans.
 
1961-1964 Jack F Kennedy/Lyndon B Johnson (Democratic)
1960 def: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr (Republican)

1964-1965 Jack F Kennedy/George Smathers (Democratic)

1965-1969 Barry Goldwater/William E Miller (Republican)

1964 def: Jack F Kennedy/George Smathers (Democratic)
1968: Edmund Muskie ✝ /Sargent Shriver (Democratic),Barry Goldwater/William E Miller (Republican),George Wallace/Harland Sanders (AIP)-HUNG COLLEGE


1969-1969 Carl Sanders/Sargent Shriver (Democratic)

1969-1977 Sargent Shriver/Reuben Askew (Democratic)

1972 def: Ronald Reagan/Phil Crane (Republican),John Wayne (replacing George Wallace)/Lester Maddox (AIP)
 
Wanted criminals/fugitives after the Vântu Assasinations/FNI Reveals and the failed coup d’etat by President Măgureanu:

-Virgil Măgureanu

-Sorin Ovidiu Vântu

-Gheorghe Fulga,Chief of Staff of President Măgureanu

-all of President Măgureanu’s advisors

-Nicolae Ulieru,head of SRI

-Radu Timofte,head of SIE

-Virgil Ardelean,head of DIPI

-Dumitru Iliescu,head of SPP

-Costel Voicu,second in command of SPP

-Tudor Tănase,head of STS

-over 2000 SRI,SIE,DIPI,SPP,STS,Army,Police and former Securitate officers,including all generals and almost everyone lower than the rank of Captain in the secret services

-Victor Ciorbea,Prime Minister

-Eugen Șerbănescu,Chief of Staff of Prime Minister Ciorbea

-all of Prime Minister Ciorbea’s advisors

-Minister of the Interior Constantin Dudu Ionescu

-Minister of Finance Decebal Traian Remeș

-Minister of Agriculture Ioan Mureșan

-former Minister of Economy Florin Georgescu

-former Minister of the Interior Doru Ioan Tărăcilă

-former Minister of Industry Dan Ioan Popescu

-Constantin Teculescu,head of CEC

-56 MPs,including Ristea Priboi (FSN),Gabriel Bivolaru (FSN),Corneliu Iacubov (FSN),Dinu Patriciu (PNL),Călin Popescu Tăriceanu (PNL) and Viorel Cataramă (PNL)

-various oligarchs and bankers,including Răzvan Temeșan,Ilie Alexandru,Sever Mureșan,the Păunescu brothers,Ioan Niculae and Ovidiu Tender

-the entire board of Petrom and its union,led by Liviu Luca
 
Wanted criminals/fugitives after the Vântu Assasinations/FNI Reveals and the failed coup d’etat by President Măgureanu:

-Virgil Măgureanu

-Sorin Ovidiu Vântu

-Gheorghe Fulga,Chief of Staff of President Măgureanu

-all of President Măgureanu’s advisors

-Nicolae Ulieru,head of SRI

-Radu Timofte,head of SIE

-Virgil Ardelean,head of DIPI

-Dumitru Iliescu,head of SPP

-Costel Voicu,second in command of SPP

-Tudor Tănase,head of STS

-over 2000 SRI,SIE,DIPI,SPP,STS,Army,Police and former Securitate officers,including all generals and almost everyone lower than the rank of Captain in the secret services

-Victor Ciorbea,Prime Minister

-Eugen Șerbănescu,Chief of Staff of Prime Minister Ciorbea

-all of Prime Minister Ciorbea’s advisors

-Minister of the Interior Constantin Dudu Ionescu

-Minister of Finance Decebal Traian Remeș

-Minister of Agriculture Ioan Mureșan

-former Minister of Economy Florin Georgescu

-former Minister of the Interior Doru Ioan Tărăcilă

-former Minister of Industry Dan Ioan Popescu

-Constantin Teculescu,head of CEC

-56 MPs,including Ristea Priboi (FSN),Gabriel Bivolaru (FSN),Corneliu Iacubov (FSN),Dinu Patriciu (PNL),Călin Popescu Tăriceanu (PNL) and Viorel Cataramă (PNL)

-various oligarchs and bankers,including Răzvan Temeșan,Ilie Alexandru,Sever Mureșan,the Păunescu brothers,Ioan Niculae and Ovidiu Tender

-the entire board of Petrom and its union,led by Liviu Luca

Immediate Consequences:

- Mircea Ionescu-Quintus becoming Interim President

- worsening of the economic situation

- the abolishment of DIPI and STS

- Tehnocratic Government til early elections in February 2002

- formation of People’s Christian Democratic Party by Radu Vasile and rebel MPs in PNȚCD

- investigations,arrests,trials and future convictions for:

* almost all remaining members of the Măgureanu and Ciorbea Cabinets still in the country

* 119 MPs (53 from FSN,24 from PNȚCD,19 from PNL,12 from PRM,7 from UFD and 5 from FER),including president of FSN Adrian Năstase,his rivals Traian Băsescu and Miron Mitrea,president of PNȚCD Ion Diaconescu,president of UFD Varujan Vosganian and president of FER Otto Weber

* over 200 active and retired officers in the Army,Police,Custom Offices,SRI,SIE,DIPI,STS and SPP

* the Mayors of Sector 4 (Marin Luțu) and Sector 5 (Dumitru Chiriță)

* numerous journalists and editors in chief,including Cornel Nistorescu,Ion Cristoiu,Mircea Dinescu,Mihai Tatulici,Doru Bușcu and Dumitru Tinu

-massive protests in every major city in the country
 
Immediate Consequences:

- Mircea Ionescu-Quintus becoming Interim President

- worsening of the economic situation

- the abolishment of DIPI and STS

- Tehnocratic Government til early elections in February 2002

- formation of People’s Christian Democratic Party by Radu Vasile and rebel MPs in PNȚCD

- investigations,arrests,trials and future convictions for:

* almost all remaining members of the Măgureanu and Ciorbea Cabinets still in the country

* 119 MPs (53 from FSN,24 from PNȚCD,19 from PNL,12 from PRM,7 from UFD and 5 from FER),including president of FSN Adrian Năstase,his rivals Traian Băsescu and Miron Mitrea,president of PNȚCD Ion Diaconescu,president of UFD Varujan Vosganian and president of FER Otto Weber

* over 200 active and retired officers in the Army,Police,Custom Offices,SRI,SIE,DIPI,STS and SPP

* the Mayors of Sector 4 (Marin Luțu) and Sector 5 (Dumitru Chiriță)

* numerous journalists and editors in chief,including Cornel Nistorescu,Ion Cristoiu,Mircea Dinescu,Mihai Tatulici,Doru Bușcu and Dumitru Tinu

-massive protests in every major city in the country

Cabinet of Lucian Croitoru (2001-2002)

Minister of Foreign Affairs: Mihnea Constantinescu

Minister of Justice:
Ovidiu Budușan

Minister of Health: Șerban Brătișteanu

Minister of the Interior and Defense: Constantin Degeratu

Minister of Finance: Ilie Șerbănescu

Minister of Economy,Industry and Commerce: Adrian Vasilescu

Minister of Education,Youth and Sport: Mircea Miclea

Minister of Labor,Social Protection and Transport: Bogdan Hossu


Minister of Culture: Ion Caramitru

Minister of Agriculture and Tourism: Sorin Minea

Minister of Environment and Minorities: Peter Kovacs-Eckstein
 
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