Yokai Man’s Test Thread Thing

[frustrated progressive]

A idea that just came to me for a future project:

I like this, tho Vietnam would seem to be a fly in the ointment. Different circumstances mean that America just cuts its losses early, instead of the quagmire of deepening involvement?

 

[Yokai Man]

I like this, tho Vietnam would seem to be a fly in the ointment. Different circumstances mean that America just cuts its losses early, instead of the quagmire of deepening involvement?

Yeah,pretty much I think.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Yeah,pretty much I think.

Makes sense-I'm unsure how to pull that off, but it's not too implausible.

 

[Yokai Man]

2009-2014 Mircea Geoană (PSD+PC,ProDemo by 2014)
2009 First Round def: Traian Băsescu (PD-L),Crin Antonescu (PNL),Corneliu Vadim Tudor (PRM),Kelemen Hunor (UDMR)
2009 Second Round def: Traian Băsescu (PD-L)
2010 Austerity Referendum: 94,78% No,voting presence 51,19%-APPROVED
2012: PD-L [182],PSD+PC [153],PP-DD [90],PMP [51],PNL [47],UDMR [27],Civic Society [20]
2014: PD-L [10],PSD+PLCR [9],PNL [5],various Independents [4],PMP [2],UDMR [2]
2014 First Round: His Royal Highness Radu Duda (Alliance for National Rebirth),Dan Puric (Common Sense Union),Traian Băsescu (PMP),Monica Macovei (Independent),Adriean Videanu (PD-L)
2014 Second Round: TIED,PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE TO BECOME INTERIM PRESIDENT

2014-2015 Ilie Sârbu (PSD,interim President)
January 2015: start of Romanian Civil War between Voiculescu controlled forces,Vântu controlled forces and pro government forces,NATO intervention

2015-2020 Traian Băsescu (PMP)
2015 First Round def: Liviu Dragnea (PSD),Monica Macovei (Independent),Gheorghe Falcă (PD-L),Ilie Bolojan (PLR)
2015 Second Round def: Liviu Dragnea (PSD)
2015: PD-L [193],PSD [132],PMP [57],M10 [37],UDMR [28]
2019 Euro Elections: PD-L [9],PSD [8],M10 [7],PMP [5],UDMR [2],Florin Chilian-Independent
2019: PD-L [87],PSD [77],M10 [54],PMP [46],UDMR [18]

2020-present day Ciprian Ciucu (M10)
2020 First Round def: Ioan Aurel-Pop (PSD),Liviu Negoiță (PD-L),Florin Chilian (Independent),Eugen Tomac (PMP)
2020 Second Round def: Ioan Aurel-Pop (PSD)
2023: PSD [79],M10 [67],ADN [59],PD-L [58],UDMR [17],various Independents [2]

 

[Time Enough]

2014-2015 Ilie Sârbu (PSD,interim President)
January 2015: start of Romanian Civil War between Voiculescu controlled forces,Vântu controlled forces and pro government forces,NATO intervention

Wait what?

 

[Yokai Man]

Wait what?

Easily explained:

See,with Geoană winning the Moguls continue having more and more power and influence,especially after sabotaging the FMI talks (which they did plan for OTL in order to force the state into privatizing almost everything to them) and rigging the austerity referendum by making sure the voting threshold passes. A private justice system is now in place.

However,this doesn’t mean fruitful collaboration. Voiculescu is too megalomanic and power hungry,Vântu is too unstable and Patriciu openly wanted an oligarchy.

And none of them likes sharing the spoils of war.

After they craved up amongst themselves Patriciu‘s media empire after he died,Voiculescu and Vântu turn on each other and use their powers to impose their new puppet candidates on the big parties in order to fight for all the plunder. In the end,it ends in a tie due to vote rigging from both and Vântu,instable as he is,decides to start a war.

It doesn’t end well for either of them.

 

[Yokai Man]

@Time Enough @Meppo

Something I thought of: suppose that Kebich’s biggest fears come true and someone from the KGB present at the secret talks that preceded the Belovezha Accords does call his superiors and Gorby,in a fit of anger,orders everyone present to be arrested for treason.

1) Would it actually constitute treason? Sure,they were meeting to plan the dissolvement of the USSR without permission from Gorby but at the same time there wasn’t tehnically anything against the heads of the republics doing this-at least as far as I can tell.

2) How does Rutskoy respond to this as the new Prez of Russia-after all,the people would be in an uproar,especially Russian nationalists like himself. At the same time though,Gorby does have the right to arrest-whether or not they will be sentenced for treason is a complete different story,one that depends on the courts (who would be under imense pressure from sides).

You could easily make a tragicomedy out of this-Gorby thinks he’s saving the Union but in fact he’s just making things worse and only postponing the inevitable while the possibility of a violent end becomes more and more possible.

 

[Time Enough]

You could easily make a tragicomedy out of this-Gorby thinks he’s saving the Union but in fact he’s just making things worse and only postponing the inevitable while the possibility of a violent end becomes more and more possible.

I feel like what happens is if Gorby were to do that then Ukraine would just immediately decide to go it’s own way straight afterwards (one of the amusing I found out was that there was an overwhelming majority for independence amongst the people of Ukraine including Russians within Ukraine) and we get this zombie Union of Russia, Belarus and the Central Asian countries who are mostly in the midsts of brutal ethnic conflicts meaning that Gorbachev’s brief time in office would be spent quelling ethnic countries which would probably spiral out of control.

How does Rutskoy respond to this as the new Prez of Russia-after all,the people would be in an uproar,especially Russian nationalists like himself. At the same time though,Gorby does have the right to arrest-whether or not they will be sentenced for treason is a complete different story,one that depends on the courts (who would be under imense pressure from sides).

I suspect that Rutskoy leads to Russia unilaterally split off the Soviet Union, Rutskoy’s Russian Nationalism is interesting, there seemed to be a refrain of ‘Russia has never been it’s own nation, we’ve had to deal with spongers for too long’, so Russia is probably splitting off no matter what. As for the Courts, well the Constitutional Courts by the Early 90s were becoming more independent and really I think if the people of Russia are demanding Yeltsin to be free, then Yeltsin is probably free.