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WI: Independent Indochina, French gains in Europe

Jackson Lennock

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FDR during WWII was fiercely anti-French and firmly opposed to returning to Indochina to French domination. Truman proved to be more malleable, viewing unnecessary provocation of France as undesirable.

France after WWII asserted that it should be able to annex Saarland, Kehl, and Aosta.

What if the US transitioned Indochina to independence and compensated France by letting them gobble up lands in Europe?
 
FDR during WWII was fiercely anti-French and firmly opposed to returning to Indochina to French domination. Truman proved to be more malleable, viewing unnecessary provocation of France as undesirable.

France after WWII asserted that it should be able to annex Saarland, Kehl, and Aosta.

What if the US transitioned Indochina to independence and compensated France by letting them gobble up lands in Europe?

The problem with Saarland and Kehl is that the population wants to be part of Germany.
 
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So the first thing you need is for America to be happy with Germany being weaker & disgruntled during the Cold War, so it's happy to give up chunks of it as a sweetener to France.

France doesn't seem likely to ever take the deal though: even outside of the need for prestige and resources, once they give up a big colony, the other colonies might go "hmmm". If they did, it'd probably be an independent Vietnam that just happens to have a lot of French bases in it and French advisors to the new government and etc.
 
The problem with Saarland and Kehl is that the population wants to be part of Germany.

That would be France's problem down the line. But after WWII, I don't think their opinion would matter all that much to France.

So the first thing you need is for America to be happy with Germany being weaker & disgruntled during the Cold War, so it's happy to give up chunks of it as a sweetener to France.

France doesn't seem likely to ever take the deal though: even outside of the need for prestige and resources, once they give up a big colony, the other colonies might go "hmmm". If they did, it'd probably be an independent Vietnam that just happens to have a lot of French bases in it and French advisors to the new government and etc.

I suppose France could be allowed to keep some basing rights.

Losing Saarland and Kehl wouldn't make Germany all that disgruntled, given that Adenaur OTL was willing to accept the loss of Saarland and Kehl as the price of tying West Germany to the west.

The bigger issue would be Italy - who changed sides during WII - losing Aosta.
 
That would be France's problem down the line. But after WWII, I don't think their opinion would matter all that much to France.



I suppose France could be allowed to keep some basing rights.

Losing Saarland and Kehl wouldn't make Germany all that disgruntled, given that Adenaur OTL was willing to accept the loss of Saarland and Kehl as the price of tying West Germany to the west.

The bigger issue would be Italy - who changed sides during WII - losing Aosta.

Do you have a map handy to give us an idea of the changes?
 
The US ends up having to manage its European policy with a pissed off Germany, Italy, and even France (pissed off over having to give up colonies and blaming any unrest in other colonies, rightly or wrongly, on the changes in Indochina). Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, and Portugal will also be a bit suspicious of what "ideas" the US will come up with next.

Among the general public among the peoples of Indochina American support for transition to independence will generate a feeling of warmth and goodwill to the United States. If the US forces a compromise granting the French some basing rights, that would likely become a point of Franco-Vietnamese/Indochinese friction in the years ahead, and America will catch blame from both sides for that. Local factions in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia will be seeking power for themselves, most notably, Ho Chi Minh's Viet Minh coalition. Once America has taken the lead and irrevocably committed to its Indochina policy, the USSR and Republic of China will, without risk or cost, voice support for it and say it is a good idea. They won't get much blame from the French or others because the US will be seen as the instigator.

The Viet Minh party in the mid-late 1940s will be happy to be friendly with and take money from both the USA and USSR. It will send thank you notes with some sincerity, but will feel that Uncle Sam doesn't have a right to attach strings. Viet Minh (and other Vietnamese) will be happy with Americans as much as they send cash, but get more irritated the more any Americans try to "manage" a "transition" to tell the Viet Minh what to do or not do with other Viets lives and property at home or make demands for Vietnam to make stands at odds with other friends like the Soviet Union. If the US persists in demands like that the Viet Minh will tell them to take a hike.
 
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