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Most recent polling by pollster (as of 22nd March 2029, the day the 2029 General Election was called):
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YouGov​
19-21 Mar​
27
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24​
14​
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2​
Lab +2 over Ref
Roy Morgan​
15-21 Mar​
30
20​
23​
10​
5​
3​
3​
Lab +7 over Ref
Survation​
19-20 Mar​
25​
18​
26
13​
4​
5​
2​
Ref +1 over Lab
Opinium​
17-19 Mar​
29
18​
24​
11​
5​
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4​
Lab +5 over Ref
PeoplePolling​
18 Mar​
24​
14​
31
12​
6​
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5​
Ref +7 over Lab
Pollus​
17-18 Mar​
27
17​
27
11​
6​
3​
3​
Lab-Ref tie
Techne​
17-18 Mar​
28
17​
27​
13​
4​
4​
2​
Lab +1 over Ref
Deltapoll​
13-16 Mar​
29
19​
24​
11​
5​
3​
3​
Lab +5 over Ref
Savanta​
14-15 Mar​
28
18​
25​
12​
5​
3​
2​
Lab +3 over Ref
We Think​
13-14 Mar​
28
16​
24​
13​
7​
5​
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Lab +4 over Ref
 
Draft for the 50th HoS List Challenge:

Survival of the Reddest:

Mayors of the Stoke-on-Trent Borough Council:


1910-1915: George Leamington (Pro-Federation Independent)
1910 (Majority) def. Anti-Federation Independents, Conservatives, Liberals, Labour
1913 (Coalition with Liberals and "Longton" Labour) def. Independents, Unionists, Liberals, Labour, Independent "Longton" Labour

1915-1917: Elias Hughes (Liberal)
1917-1919: Thomas Wild (Independent)
1919-1925: Thomas Richards (National Democratic)
1919 (Coalition with Liberals and ILP) def. Independents, Unionists, Independent Labour, Liberals, Socialist Labour, "Continuity" Labour
1922 (Coalition with Liberals and Independents) def. Independents, Unionists, Communists, Liberals, Independent Labour

1925-1925: Gregory Wilkinson (Independent)
1925 (Coalition with Unionists and Liberals) def: Independents, National Democratic, Communists, Unionists, Liberals, Independent Labour

Mayors (Leaders 1928-1985) of the Stoke-on-Trent City Council:

1925-1928: Gregory Wilkinson (Independent)
1928-1931: Leslie Keeling (National Democratic)
1928 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, Independent Labour, Liberals
1931-1937: Samuel Finney (Communist)
1931 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democrats, Independents, Unionists, New, Liberals
1934 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democrats, Independents, Unionists, Liberals, New

1937-1944: Thomas Horwood (National Democratic)
1937 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, Liberals
1939 (Wartime Grand Coalition) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, Liberals

1944-1946: William Herbert Kemp (Liberal)
1946-1950: Horace Barks (Communist)
1946 (Majority) def. National Democratic, Progressives, Independents
1949 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democratic, Independents, Unionists

1950-1958: "Red" Fanny Deakin (Communist)
1952 (Majority) def. National Democratic, Unionists, Independents
1955 (Majority) def. Unionists, National Democratic, Independents

1958-1961: William Hancock (National Democratic)
1958 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, Liberals
1961-1966: "Red" Fanny Deakin (Communist)
1961 (Majority) def. National Democratic, Unionists, Independents
1964 (Majority) def. National Democratic, Unionists, Independents, New Liberals

1966-1967: Lenny Barber (Communist)
1967-1970: Samuel Clowes (National Democratic)
1967 (Majority) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists
1970-1973: Lenny Barber (Communist)
1970 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democratic, Independents, Unionists
1973-1977: Samuel Clowes (National Democratic)
1973 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists
1976 (Majority) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists

1977-1979: John Forrester (National Democratic)
1979-1985: Ted Smith (National Democratic)
1979 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, National Front
1982 (Majority) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists


Leaders of the Stoke-on-Trent District Council:

1985-1988: Ted Smith (National Democratic)
1985 (Coalition with Independents) def. Communists, Independents, Unionists, Residents - NO to Manchester!
1988-1991: Stephen Wedgwood (Communist)
1988 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democratic, Unionists, Independents, Residents - NO to Manchester!
1991-1998: Peter Maxwell (Unionist)
1991 (Coalition with Independents and Residents) def. Communists, Independents, National Democratic, Residents - NO to Manchester!
1994 (Coalition with NDP and Independents) def. Communists, Independents, National Democratic, Residents - NO to Manchester!
1997 (Coalition with NDP and Independents) def. Communists, Independents, National Democratic, Independence


Leaders of the Stoke-on-Trent City Council (reconstituted):

1998-1998: Peter Maxwell (Unionist)
1998-2000: Roger Ibbs (Unionist)
2000-2004: Pauline Joynson (Communist)
2000 (Coalition with Independents) def. National Democratic, Unionists, Independents, Independence
2003 (Coalition with Independents) def. Independence, National Democratic, Independents, Unionists

2004-2006: Jim Cessford (Communist)
2006-2011: Dave Conway (Independence)
2006 (Coalition with Independents and Unionists) def. Communist, National Democratic, Independents, Unionists
2009 (Coalition with Independents and Unionists) def. Communist, National Democratic, Independents,
Unionists
2011-2012: Melanie Baddeley (Independence)
2012-2015: Thomas Reynolds (National Democratic)
2012 (Coalition with Communists and Eco-Libs) def. Communists, Independence, Independents, Eco-Liberals
2015-2020: Mohammed Pervez (Communist)
2015 (Coalition with Independents) def. Independence, National Democratic, Independents, Eco-Liberals
2018 (Majority) def. Independence, National Democratic, Eco-Liberals, Free Trentham, Independents

2020-2024: Andy Polshaw (Communist)
2021 (Coalition with NDP) def. Independence, National Democratic, Eco-Liberals, Free Trentham, Independents
2024-2026: Jane Ashworth (National Democratic)
2024 (Coalition with Eco-Libs, Free Trentham and Independents) def. Communists, Independence, Eco-Liberals, Free Trentham, Unionists, Independents



Leaders of the North Staffordshire Borough Council:

2026-202X: Paul Roberts (Unionist)
2026 (Coalition with Independence and Independents) def. National Democrats, Communists, Independence, Eco-Liberals, Independents

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Communists pushed into THIRD PLACE in North Staffordshire local election
Published 14:03 PM, 8th of May, 2026 - The Sentinel

The Communist Party of Great Britain has failed to win control of the North Staffordshire Borough Council, the successor to Stoke-on-Trent City Council, the last council the Communists had a significant presence on.

When the Independence Party landslide of 2009 wiped out the last Communist MP, Pauline Joynson of Stoke-on-Trent Hanley, the party was reduced to only local representation.

The Communist Party now no longer holds first or second place in any city or borough council, raising doubts about the party's future prospects.

While communist parties are uncommon in the Western world, the Stoke-on-Trent chapter of the CPGB has long held power in the city, with beloved council leader "Red" Fanny Deakin leading the council nearly uninterrupted from 1950 to 1967.

Indeed, the CPGB led Stoke-on-Trent for 21 of the first 27 years post-WW2. During this time they initiated numerous popular but expensive regeneration schemes for Stoke, supported by more radical trade unions such as the North Staffordshire Miners' Federation (now the USSWF, United Staffordshire Socialist Workers' Federation).

Meanwhile, the moderate trade unions such as the Ceramics and Allied Trade Union affiliated with the NDP, the two parties exchanging power between themselves from 1928-1991.

Union identity and factionalism has been so core to the Stoke-on-Trent identity that the city still maintains highly above average union membership rates, with 72% of working adults being a member of a trade union.

The decline of both mining and ceramics as viable industries in Stoke has pushed both the USSWF and CATU into expanding into other fields. The two unions claim 18,032 and 25,836 members respectively, collectively making up 19% of Stoke-on-Trent's workforce. The political cleavages associated with members and families of each union, however, remain strong to this day.

The local NDP, with extra pork barrel funding from national NDP governments of the time, would also begin large infrastructure products, include the upgrading of the Meir Aerodrome into Stoke Meir Airport (SME), and the building of large estates to house overspill from Manchester in the 1970's and 80's.

In 1985, in an effort to delegitimise and reduce the powers of the local Communists, the NDP would reduce Stoke-on-Trent into a district, subservient to Staffordshire County Council. However, Forsyth's reformist Unionist government would undo this change, seeking to take advantage of vote splitting on the left.

Left-wing domination of Stoke-on-Trent City Council was indeed interrupted by the Unionists from 1991 to 2000, and then the Independence Party from 2006 to 2012. Despite this, the Communists were still a strong force in the city, most recently leading the council under Mohammed Pervez from 2015-2020, and Andy Polshaw from 2020-2024.

The merging of the unitary authority of Stoke-on-Trent with the more rural boroughs of Newcastle-under-Lyme and the Staffordshire Moorlands was allegedly planned by the NDP to weaken the Communists on the local level, by forcing local elections into a two-horse race between the Unionists and the NDP, much like on the national level.

Former Stoke-on-Trent City Council leader and Communist member Andy Polshaw, giving a teary speech at his count after losing his seat, had this to say: "I'm sorry. I'm sorry to my city, to my party, to everyone who has supported me and my comrades. I promise that I will not rest, will not stop fighting for the good people of Stoke. The ideals behind this movement will survive. The party will survive. We... will survive"

The Communists now find themselves in a struggle to stay alive, asking themselves what it means to be a far-left party in 21st century Britain.

Time will only tell what path they take.








Notes:
Liberals: #D0AD18
Independence: #0E7C61
you are loved and you are valid <3
Longton Labour 1910's
Conflict between NDP-supporting NSMFPW/CATU (1906-1949/1949-present) and Communist-supporting NSMF/USSWF (1886-2000/1981-present)
John Forrester NDP Leader post 1965
Ted Smith NDP Leader post 1979
 
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List of mainline Pokémon games released since 2010: (sales as of Feb 2035)

Pokémon Black and White - 12,570,000 copies - Sep 2010
Pokémon Grey - 5,980,000 copies - Jun 2012
Pokémon X and Y - 16,470,000 copies - Nov 2013
Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire - 14,320,000 copies - Nov 2014
Pokémon Z-A - 8,270,000 copies - Nov 2015
Pokémon Sun and Moon - 16,540,000 copies - Nov 2017
Pokémon Let's GO Pikachu and Let's GO Eevee - 15,060,000 copies - Nov 2018
Pokémon Sword and Shield - 23,840,000 copies - Nov 2020 Mar 2021
Pokémon Precious Diamond and Dearest Pearl - 10,790,000 copies - Nov 2021
Pokémon Provident Platinum - 5,730,000 copies - Apr 2022
Pokémon Rose and Sage - 27,600,000 copies - Nov 2023
Pokémon Let's GO Espeon and Let's GO Umbreon - 15,060,000 copies - Nov 2025
Pokémon Soar and Fall - 32,010,000 copies - Nov 2026
Pokémon Legends: Eclipse - 16,060,000 copies - Nov 2028


General idea is the opposite of a wish fulfilment list for me, where the innovations and divergences from the Pokémon formula in Black and White cause the game to flop, leading to a trend away from innovation overall (although obviously deviations from the formula do come eventually).
 
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1991-1998: Peter Maxwell (Unionist)
1991 (Coalition with Independents and Residents) def. Communists, Independents, National Democratic, Residents - NO to Manchester!


2024-2026: Jane Ashworth (National Democratic)
2024 (Coalition with Eco-Libs, Free Trentham and Independents) def. Communists, Independence, Eco-Liberals, Free Trentham, Unionists, Independents
btw if you think some of these council election results are schizophrenic then you should see the OTL 2008 result for Stoke:

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Draft for the 50th HoS List Challenge:

Survival of the Reddest:
i did way too much for this, i wanted to write so much more but i lost motivation so hard but i still wanna have my thoughts written down before i forget everything:



Stoke-on-Trent is often referred to as "the Six Towns," so-called because of its peculiar origins as a British city. Made up of Tunstall and Burslem in the north, Hanley and Stoke-upon-Trent in the centre, and Fenton and Longton in south, these eponymous six towns would chose to federate in 1910 after decades of negotiation. This polyamorous marriage wouldn't be a wholly happy one however, with fractious relations between the working-class and middle-class regions defining the politics of the city to the present day, the inaugural council election being no different.

George Leamington's Pro-Federation Independents, a loosely-defined caucus generally in favour of the new agreement, were mainly based in two biggest towns, Hanley and Stoke-upon-Trent. The other four, despite voting in favour of the federation, were wary of being dominated by the industrial heart of the new borough, and so tended to vote for sceptics of the new system. The few councillors and aldermen elected under a party banner tended to be at worst apathetic towards federation, with more moderate factions of the fledgling Labour Party uniting under the "Longton Labour" banner to support Leamington.

The Stoke-on-Trent Borough Council was off to a great start, seeing uneventful transfers of leadership as Leamington was sent to the Somme and his successor Elias Hughes suffered a heart attack, leaving long-time Longton resident and non-partisan Thomas Wild to take the reigns. Quickly though, political polarisation would take hold, as a destructive war and a broadened electorate let radical political parties gain a foothold. A stillborn Labour Party gave way to numerous left-leaning successors, most notably the Independent Labour Party, the Communist Party of Great Britain, and the National Democratic Party. The NDP, being the result of the "establishment" Labour faction merging with social liberal tendencies of the Liberals as well as Progressives, was best placed to become the mainstream champion of workers' rights. For now the Communists would be nothing but a backup act for the NDP, with the unions throwing their weight behind Ramsay MacDonald on the national stage, and Thomas Richards on the local one.

Regeneration projects began immediately, as well as support for local veterans, of which there were many. This curried favour with the people for the NDP and secured them a second term, but they couldn't avoid the whims of national politics. 1925 would bring a Unionist supermajority, and the simultaneous local election wrought a similar routing for the left, letting Wilkinson's Independents form a pseudo-National government with the Unionists and Liberals. All of this would happen just 4 weeks before Stoke-on-Trent was officially elevated from borough to city.
 
Impressive stuff! Think I finally grasp the PoD (Labour never coheres and we get a left-Liberal party instead), but I'm curious how much of the Stoke history above is factual.
Thank you very much! I'm glad this makes it clearer, honestly I'm fairly unhappy with my final write-up for the contest entry, I originally had much grander ambitions explaining every detail but it became very unwieldy very quickly, so ultimately I went for a short Sentinel (local Stoke-on-Trent paper) article that got all the key details out of the way, but ultimately I think it led to some confusion.

As far as the factuality of the scenario goes, around 80% of the leaders named are real politicians/union leaders. Some like Fanny Deakin were real but lived in neighbouring areas, so I scooped them and put them in Stoke so it would be more realistic and I didn't have to pluck names out of thin air. The events going on are all real, there's a long history of regeneration projects, things like Stoke Meir Airport and building vast new estates to house Mancunians and Brummies were both real proposals that the council rejected IOTL. The ceramics and mining unions expanding their remit to include other professions once their respective industries did happen, although it's much exaggerated ITTL, same with their ideological "conflict".

Politically though, since this scenario diverges from OTL pretty immediately, it's very much different than anything we're familiar with. I plan to go into the politics of TTL a bit more actually since I had a lot of fun planning it out, so expect more in the future lol
 
2024 Stoke-on-Trent City Council election

National Democratic Party
(centre to centre-left) - 22 seats
Communist Party of Great Britain (left-wing to far-left) - 17 seats
Independence Party (right-wing) - 9 seats
Eco-Liberals (centre to centre-right) - 5 seats
Free Trentham (single issue) - 3 seats
Unionist (centre-right to right-wing) - 2 seats
Independent (n/a) - 2 seats

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