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I didn't know about the Benedictine option until now.
I really like this idea Bob... As fiction
yeah rod dreher is definitely... something
I didn't know about the Benedictine option until now.
I really like this idea Bob... As fiction
List of Presidents of the United States since 1900
1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1900 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1904 def: Alton B. Parker (Democratic)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1908 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1912 def: Champ Clark (Democratic), William Howard Taft (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
1913: Constitutional Amendment XVI: Federal income tax reform
1916: Constitutional Amendment XVII: Direct election of U.S. Senators
1917-1921: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1916 def: Lewis S. Chanler (Democratic), Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1919: Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Female suffrage
1921-1925: Frank O. Lowden (Republican)
1920 def: Hiram Johnson (Progressive), Atlee Pomerene (Northern Democratic), M. Hoke Smith (Southern Democratic), Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1921: Constitutional Amendment XIX: Prohibition of hard liquor/strong alcoholic drinks
1925-1928: Robert M. La Follette Sr.† (Progressive)
1924 def: Frank O. Lowden (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist), Ellison D. Smith (Southern Democratic), Royal S. Copeland (Northern Democratic)
1928-1929: Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1929-1944: Huey Long† (National Action)
1928 def: William H. Thompson (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive), Vito Marcantonio (Socialist)
1930: Constitutional Amendment XX: Centralisation of presidential power; repeal of XVII Amendment; reform of Supreme Court
1932 def: John J. Pershing (Republican), Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Progressive), various write-in votes for banned parties
1936 def: Herbert Hoover (United for Freedom, campaigned in absentia from exile)
1940 def: (officially unopposed)
1944-1945: Adm. Ernest King (independent, military caretaker)
1945-1953: Herbert Hoover (Progressive)
1944 def: Norman Thomas (Socialist), Arthur B. Langlie (Republican), various minor candidates
1945: Constitutional Amendment XXI: Repeal of XX Amendment; President limited to a single six-year term without re-election
1948 def: Upton Sinclair (Socialist), Roscoe H. Patterson (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1953-1959: Daniel Hoan (Socialist)
1952 def: Earl Warren (Progressive), Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1957: Constitutional Amendment XXII: Voting rights guarantee and enforcement; permits statehood for DC
1959-1965: Earl Warren (Progressive)
1958 def: J. Sherwood Dixon (Republican), Stephen Emery (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1965-1971: Walter Judd (Republican)
1964 def: Hugh Scott (Progressive), Georgia Cozzini (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1971-1972: Mark Hatfield (Progressive); resigned following exposure of the Turno Pacifico scandal
1970 def: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist), Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1972-1973: Richard Schweiker (Progressive, caretaker)
1972: Constitutional Amendment XXIII: Allows for an early presidential election to be called on three-quarter majority vote of Congress
1973-1979: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist)
1972 def: Richard Nixon (Republican), Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
1974: Constitutional Amendment XXIV: Abolishes electoral college in favour of a two-round runoff system
1979-1985: Eugene McCarthy (Socialist)
1978 def: John B. Anderson (New Conservative), Richard B. Ogilvie (Continuity Progressive), Max Rafferty (Continuity Republican)
1985-1991: Lowell Weicker (New Conservative)
1984 def: Jarvis Tyner (Socialist)
1991-1997: Bernard Sanders (Socialist)
1990 def: Pete Wilson (New Conservative)
1997-2003: George Pataki (New Conservative)
1996 def: David McReynolds (Socialist)
2003-2009: Joshua Javits (Socialist)
2002 def: Jim Jeffords (New Conservative)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 def: John McCain (Republican)
2012 def: W. Mitt Romney (Republican)
I'm not sorry.
What happens here in the last election, to bring back the democratic party? Otherwise pretty excellent list!
What happens here in the last election, to bring back the democratic party? Otherwise pretty excellent list!
Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.That's the joke.
I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted
Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.
POD: A meteor doesn't hit Earth and dinosaurs survive to the present day. The list ends with Barack Obamasaurus becoming President of the United Saurians of America.Basically there's a running joke on the other place that a poster who shall not be named finished every list with Obama being elected in 2008, no matter how much it had diverged before that. I wanted to do a reference to that, and because I will always put way more effort into things for the sake of a joke than warranted, I ended up doing a scenario which changed the US political landscape beyond recognition as much as possible to emphasise the silliness of it.
Exactly. In the latter case I even had to completely throw out a whole section of continuity because I accidentally wrote two different multi-post lead-ups to that joke and duplicated a character bio.Car, Where's My Dude? Are you a Bad enough Duke to rescue the President?
Nah, never your fault if you don't know an obscure running gag!Eggs on my face and all that
I wouldn't mind hearing more about that scenario, it looks pretty interesting.
I kept it deliberately vague, but it's playing on ideas others have previously posted about the Republican/Progressive split coupled to the OTL Republican dominance of the 1920s reducing the Democrats to virtually a southern-interests party only, and then a Huey Long Depression dictatorship discredits even that while empowering the Socialists as a third force. (I was thinking of how the Communists in France benefited from being seen to be a major force of opposition to Vichy/the Occupation). Then the scandal in the 1970s happens because, after one Socialist victory, it turns out the Republicans and Progressives had been conspiring to force every election to the House and vote for each others' candidate in turn (hence the Turno Pacifico comparison to 19th century Spain) in order to deny the Socialists another victory. This predictably ruins both of the right-wing parties and leads to a period of Socialist dominance. (I went for a bit of irony where Nixon is the idealistic outsider who almost manages to keep his party viable in the wake of a 1970s scandal that robs the public of confidence in politicians...) The other bit of irony, inspired by real events in places like Maine and Australia, is that as soon as they implement a French two-round system, the country turns into a two-party setup so it never actually needs the second round anyway. As of the end of the century, the US has an economic consensus that lies to the left of OTL's, in part because the former Progressive strand of thought has tended to dominate over the Republican one in the New Conservative party, and the Socialists are a credible party of government. However, the states are also more powerful relative to the federal government due to lingering suspicion after the Long dictatorship's centralisation of power.
One of the things I was keeping vague is exactly what happened with WW1 and the Russian Revolution, which somewhat gives one a get-out-of-jail-free card to handwave things like the socialist/communist split. I was thinking they become a bit more establishmentarian in power but the bigger effect is being hamstrung by the federal government being weakened in reaction to the Long dictatorship. (I guess this was slightly inspired by @Meadow 's description in The People's Flag of how the ability of revolutionary leftism to change a state was inherently weakened by it usually being combined with a desire for decentralisation).That sounds pretty cool. There's no socialist/communist split to create trouble for them? How much are the socialists able to do in government and do they end up drifting to the center like socialist parties who did in Europe? I could see them doing so less quickly with no communist to their left.
I'm always fond of interesting alternative approaches for the left. The US had a lot of potential for that which was lost around the 2&3 internationale split and the various wartime repressions.
One of the things I was keeping vague is exactly what happened with WW1 and the Russian Revolution, which somewhat gives one a get-out-of-jail-free card to handwave things like the socialist/communist split. I was thinking they become a bit more establishmentarian in power but the bigger effect is being hamstrung by the federal government being weakened in reaction to the Long dictatorship. (I guess this was slightly inspired by @Meadow 's description in The People's Flag of how the ability of revolutionary leftism to change a state was inherently weakened by it usually being combined with a desire for decentralisation).
Exactly. In the latter case I even had to completely throw out a whole section of continuity because I accidentally wrote two different multi-post lead-ups to that joke and duplicated a character bio.
Nah, never your fault if you don't know an obscure running gag!
I kept it deliberately vague, but it's playing on ideas others have previously posted about the Republican/Progressive split coupled to the OTL Republican dominance of the 1920s reducing the Democrats to virtually a southern-interests party only, and then a Huey Long Depression dictatorship discredits even that while empowering the Socialists as a third force. (I was thinking of how the Communists in France benefited from being seen to be a major force of opposition to Vichy/the Occupation). Then the scandal in the 1970s happens because, after one Socialist victory, it turns out the Republicans and Progressives had been conspiring to force every election to the House and vote for each others' candidate in turn (hence the Turno Pacifico comparison to 19th century Spain) in order to deny the Socialists another victory. This predictably ruins both of the right-wing parties and leads to a period of Socialist dominance. (I went for a bit of irony where Nixon is the idealistic outsider who almost manages to keep his party viable in the wake of a 1970s scandal that robs the public of confidence in politicians...) The other bit of irony, inspired by real events in places like Maine and Australia, is that as soon as they implement a French two-round system, the country turns into a two-party setup so it never actually needs the second round anyway. As of the end of the century, the US has an economic consensus that lies to the left of OTL's, in part because the former Progressive strand of thought has tended to dominate over the Republican one in the New Conservative party, and the Socialists are a credible party of government. However, the states are also more powerful relative to the federal government due to lingering suspicion after the Long dictatorship's centralisation of power.
That's a bad joke.
Don't bring your kinks into this.It made me laugh out load.
List of Presidents of the United States since 1900
1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1900 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1904 def: Alton B. Parker (Democratic)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1908 def: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1912 def: Champ Clark (Democratic), William Howard Taft (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
1913: Constitutional Amendment XVI: Federal income tax reform
1916: Constitutional Amendment XVII: Direct election of U.S. Senators
1917-1921: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1916 def: Lewis S. Chanler (Democratic), Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1919: Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Female suffrage
1921-1925: Frank O. Lowden (Republican)
1920 def: Hiram Johnson (Progressive), Atlee Pomerene (Northern Democratic), M. Hoke Smith (Southern Democratic), Emil Seidel (Socialist)
1921: Constitutional Amendment XIX: Prohibition of hard liquor/strong alcoholic drinks
1925-1928: Robert M. La Follette Sr.† (Progressive)
1924 def: Frank O. Lowden (Republican), Eugene V. Debs (Socialist), Ellison D. Smith (Southern Democratic), Royal S. Copeland (Northern Democratic)
1928-1929: Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive)
1929-1944: Huey Long† (National Action)
1928 def: William H. Thompson (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler (Progressive), Vito Marcantonio (Socialist)
1930: Constitutional Amendment XX: Centralisation of presidential power; repeal of XVII Amendment; reform of Supreme Court
1932 def: John J. Pershing (Republican), Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Progressive), various write-in votes for banned parties
1936 def: Herbert Hoover (United for Freedom, campaigned in absentia from exile)
1940 def: (officially unopposed)
1944-1945: Adm. Ernest King (independent, military caretaker)
1945-1953: Herbert Hoover (Progressive)
1944 def: Norman Thomas (Socialist), Arthur B. Langlie (Republican), various minor candidates
1945: Constitutional Amendment XXI: Repeal of XX Amendment; President limited to a single six-year term without re-election
1948 def: Upton Sinclair (Socialist), Roscoe H. Patterson (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1953-1959: Daniel Hoan (Socialist)
1952 def: Earl Warren (Progressive), Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican), Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (States' Rights)
1957: Constitutional Amendment XXII: Voting rights guarantee and enforcement; permits statehood for DC
1959-1965: Earl Warren (Progressive)
1958 def: J. Sherwood Dixon (Republican), Stephen Emery (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1965-1971: Walter Judd (Republican)
1964 def: Hugh Scott (Progressive), Georgia Cozzini (Socialist) following contingent vote in House of Representatives
1971-1972: Mark Hatfield (Progressive); resigned following exposure of the Turno Pacifico scandal
1970 def: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist), Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1972-1973: Richard Schweiker (Progressive, caretaker)
1972: Constitutional Amendment XXIII: Allows for an early presidential election to be called on three-quarter majority vote of Congress
1973-1979: Georgia Cozzini (Socialist)
1972 def: Richard Nixon (Republican), Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
1974: Constitutional Amendment XXIV: Abolishes electoral college in favour of a two-round runoff system
1979-1985: Eugene McCarthy (Socialist)
1978 def: John B. Anderson (New Conservative), Richard B. Ogilvie (Continuity Progressive), Max Rafferty (Continuity Republican)
1985-1991: Lowell Weicker (New Conservative)
1984 def: Jarvis Tyner (Socialist)
1991-1997: Bernard Sanders (Socialist)
1990 def: Pete Wilson (New Conservative)
1997-2003: George Pataki (New Conservative)
1996 def: David McReynolds (Socialist)
2003-2009: Joshua Javits (Socialist)
2002 def: Jim Jeffords (New Conservative)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008 def: John McCain (Republican)
2012 def: W. Mitt Romney (Republican)
I'm not sorry.
Counselor to the President - Gary Hart's Son-in-Law
Didn't he make a TL where he and Obama became friends in high school?