Walpurgisnacht
It was in the Year of Maximum Danger
- Location
- Banned from the forum
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I don't normally use the term "guilty pleasure", but...he's definitely a guilty pleasure. The only remotely bearable New-Country artist.
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I don't normally use the term "guilty pleasure", but...he's definitely a guilty pleasure. The only remotely bearable New-Country artist.
Blackentheborg
Dennis Skinner's molotov
- Location
- Grand Hotel Abyss
- Pronouns
- He/Him
the Career of Sir Topham Hatt, "England's honorary Prime Minister"
1894-1898: Apprentice Engineer, Great Western Railway's Swindon Works
1899-1901: Private citizen, clerk for Oxford City Technical School
1901-1909: Engineer, A. W. Dry & Co.
1909-1914: Engineer, Tidmouth, Knapford and Elsbridge Light Railway
1914-1918: Lance Corporal for the 58th Brigade, Wiltshire Regiment
1919-1923: Engineer, North Western Railway
1923-1936: General Manager, North Western Railway
1936-1945: Managing Director, North Western Railway
1931: Conservative Party candidate for Sodor East
lost to Handel Brown (National Liberal), Wilbert Awdry (New), Herbert Skimpole (Independent Labour)
1945-1948: Governor General of the Island of Sodor
- appointed by King Edward VIII
1948-1949: Governor General of the Island of Sodor (Government in Exile)
- declared in opposition of the English Socialist Government, host to the British Royal Family
1949-1950: First Controller of Sodor Island
- appointed by King Edmund III
1950-1951: Minister of Works and Planning for the Shelby War Ministry (Government in Exile)
- resigned following the collapse of the English Socialist Government
1951-1953: Chairman of the Regional Executive for the North Western Railway
1953-1956: Chairman of the British Railways Board
- nominated his son, Charles Hatt, to his position upon retirement
1955-1956: Private citizen, horticulturalist
1894-1898: Apprentice Engineer, Great Western Railway's Swindon Works
1899-1901: Private citizen, clerk for Oxford City Technical School
1901-1909: Engineer, A. W. Dry & Co.
1909-1914: Engineer, Tidmouth, Knapford and Elsbridge Light Railway
1914-1918: Lance Corporal for the 58th Brigade, Wiltshire Regiment
1919-1923: Engineer, North Western Railway
1923-1936: General Manager, North Western Railway
1936-1945: Managing Director, North Western Railway
1931: Conservative Party candidate for Sodor East
lost to Handel Brown (National Liberal), Wilbert Awdry (New), Herbert Skimpole (Independent Labour)
1945-1948: Governor General of the Island of Sodor
- appointed by King Edward VIII
1948-1949: Governor General of the Island of Sodor (Government in Exile)
- declared in opposition of the English Socialist Government, host to the British Royal Family
1949-1950: First Controller of Sodor Island
- appointed by King Edmund III
1950-1951: Minister of Works and Planning for the Shelby War Ministry (Government in Exile)
- resigned following the collapse of the English Socialist Government
1951-1953: Chairman of the Regional Executive for the North Western Railway
1953-1956: Chairman of the British Railways Board
- nominated his son, Charles Hatt, to his position upon retirement
1955-1956: Private citizen, horticulturalist
Agreed. He always interested me for the fact he’s a conservative yet he voted for Jill Stein and was pen pals with Gore Vidal. As far as conservatives go he’s probably the only one I like.
Tbh I just wanted an excuse to use Ivins. Sanders I just kind of threw in.
Agreed. IMO Tippin’s music is pretty good. I’ve been meaning to use Tippin for awhile. He at least on paper seems like a good celebrity candidate.
OHC
deep green blue collar rainbow
- Location
- Little Beirut
- Pronouns
- they/she
Putting his stuff on my reading list
TheNixonator
Politically Illiterate
POD: Al Bell wins his 1976 race for Senate
1981-1989: Senator Alphonzo Bell Jr. (Republican, California)
1981-1989: Senator Alphonzo Bell Jr. (Republican, California)
'80 (with Fmr. CIA Director George Bush) def. President Jimmy Carter (Democratic, Georgia)
'84 (with Vice-President George Bush) def. Fmr. Vice-President Walter Mondale (Democratic, Minnesota)
1989-1997: Representative Jack Kemp (Republican, New York)'88 (with Secretary of Transportation Elizabeth Dole) def. Senator Joe Biden (Democratic, Delaware)
'92 (with Vice-President Elizabeth Dole) def. Fmr. Governor James Blanchard (Democratic, Michigan)
1997-2001: Fmr. Governor Ann Richards (Democratic, Texas)*'96 (with Fmr. Senator George Mitchell) def. Vice-President Elizabeth Dole (Republican, Kansas), Mister Pat Buchanan (Independent, Virginia)
2001-2005: Fmr. Secretary of Treasury Lewis Lehrman (Republican, New York)'00 (with Senator Connie Mack III) def. Senator Paul Wellstone (Democratic, Minnesota)
2005-2009: Representative Miles Rapoport (Democratic, Connecticut)'04 (with Governor John Norquist) def. President Lewis Lehrman (Republican, New York)
2009-2013: Fmr. Governor Bob Taft (Republican, Ohio)'08 (with Senator Joe Lieberman) def. President Miles Rapoport (Democratic, Connecticut)
2013-2017: Governor Rory Reid (Democratic, Nevada)'12 (with Fmr. Secretary of Agriculture Jim Hightower) def. President Bob Taft (Republican, Ohio), Vice-President Joe Lieberman (America 4 Lieberman, Connecticut)
'16 (with Vice-President Jim Hightower) def. Senator Jack C. Ryan (Republican, Illinois)
2021-20xx: Senator Rob Sobhani (Republican, Maryland)'20 (with Governor Pete Domenici Jr.) def. Secretary of State Ross C. Anderson (Democratic, Utah)
* Chose not to run for re-election due to age.- Location
- Sandford, Gloucestershire
- Pronouns
- She/They
Found this in my notes from last year. Perhaps my only US Presidents list to date. Hence some of the tickets
2001-2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
Def: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican)
2005-2009: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
Def: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2009-2017 : Hilary Clinton/ Tim Kaine
Def: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
Def: Mitt Romney/Olympia Snow (Republican)
2017-2021: Marco Rubio/Betsy DeVos (Republican)
Def: Kathleen Sebelius/ Sherrod Brown (Democrat)
2021: Bernie Sanders/ Tammy Baldwin (Democrat)
Def: Marco Rubio/Betsey DeVos (Republican)
2001-2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
Def: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican)
2005-2009: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
Def: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2009-2017 : Hilary Clinton/ Tim Kaine
Def: John McCain/Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
Def: Mitt Romney/Olympia Snow (Republican)
2017-2021: Marco Rubio/Betsy DeVos (Republican)
Def: Kathleen Sebelius/ Sherrod Brown (Democrat)
2021: Bernie Sanders/ Tammy Baldwin (Democrat)
Def: Marco Rubio/Betsey DeVos (Republican)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Inspired by @RyanF Scottish Assembly Timeline and subsequent discussions;
First Minister of the Scottish Assembly:
1980-1982: Bruce Millan (Labour)
1980 (Majority) def: Teddy Taylor (Conservative), William Wolfe (Scottish National), David Russell-Johnston (Liberal)
1981 (Majority) def: Teddy Taylor (Conservative), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Dickson Mabon-David Russell-Johnston (SDP-Liberal Pact)
1982-1989: Donald Dewar (Labour)
1985 (Coalition with Liberal) def: Alick-Buchanan-Smith (Conservative), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Dickson Mabon (Social Democratic), David Russell-Johnston (Liberal), Margo MacDonald (Scottish Socialist)
1989-: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative)
1989 (Coalition with Social Democrat) def: Donald Dewar (Labour), Vince Cable (Social Democratic), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Malcolm Bruce (Liberal), Margo MacDonald (Scottish Socialist)
“The appearance of the Scottish Assembly in 1980 was as much of a signal of the 80s containing different politics to the Post War Consensus as the election of Thatcher. Initially dominated by Labour, a series of defections to the nascent Social Democratic Party and Bruce Millan’s lukewarm leadership would in time lead to the appearance of a Labour-Liberal coalition which would become the main force of the assembly during much of the 80s. Labour would struggle to keep a semblance of the Keynesian Post War Consensus whilst avoiding the wrath of the economically dry Thatcher Government. Donald Dewar’s time as First Minister is fondly remembered for managing to keep unemployment low and ensuring fairly high standards of living compared to other parts of the de-industrialising Britain though amongst the Left his failure to make Scotland Nuclear Free, dithering over implementing the infamous poll tax and his leading of several Anti-Left purges leaves a sour taste.
The Conservative’s are remembered for spending much of the period flailing around in the wind as they failed to initially conjure a message separate from the Anti-Devolution, Social Conservatism and Fiscally Dryness of the Thatcher Government. Teddy Taylor found his inability to connect with a large proportion of the Scottish population compared to Donald Dewar a frustration which was only reminded by his removal for more moderate voices. Whilst Alick-Buchanan Smith indicated a shift towards a more Softer form of Scottish Toryism, the transformation would only come through under the tenure-ship of Malcolm Rifkind who’s One Nation message of Balanced Budgets, Anti-Corruption and Competence would eventually allow the Tory’s a victory in Scotland even after the controversy’s of Poll Tax and Trident. But the slow rise of the Scottish branch of the Democratic Unionist Party in previous Conservative strongholds would lead to questions about what Scottish Conservatism actually meant.
The Social Democrats and Liberals initially started on fairly good enough terms, the 1981 election pact and the ‘campaign of equals’ that ensued putting the pair on fairly good footing and avoided the implosion of the Scottish Centre. But much in the same way the two Nationwide parties would cool and eventually split, the same would happen between there Scottish counterparts. The Liberals joining into coalition with the Scottish Labour Government would seal the deal for Dickson Mabon and the Social Democrats. Whilst the Liberals stay down the road of Federalism, Keynesianism and Soft Environmentalism as it had been doing, the Social Democrats would under the dynamic leadership of Vince Cable turn towards Neoliberal Center Left ideal and Cable would be one of the many calling for a ‘Third Way’ away from the stuffy dynasties of Left and Right. Whilst this change in pitch and a compelling media campaign would see the Scottish Social Democrats climb to third place in 1989, it’s light was fleeting as the 90s dawned.
The Scottish National Party spent the 80s dealing with it’s own victory in many respects. The creation of the Scottish Assembly was down to the pushing of SNP MPs in Westminster but after it’s establishment the party would soon fall into turmoil. After the failure of William Wolfe in the 1980 election to capitalise on this new body of power, Winnie Ewing supported by a cabal from the party’s Right and Fundementalist Wing would claim the leadership spot and would go on a barnstorming campaign in 1981 which would see the party make substantial gains and cause Labour’s Majority to crumble to single figures.
With the support of the Right of the party, Ewing go about ensuring the purge of the so called 79’ Group and the Leftist strain of the party. Initially this did little to dampen Ewing’s popularity, but the dramatic expulsion of Margo MacDonald in 1983 would galvanise opinion. Whilst the party would do well again in 1985, with Ewing’s Populist rhetoric striking home with on the fence voters, the rise of the Scottish Socialist Party and the rise of several regional party’s and independents would erode the party’s once firm base. Blindsided by Vince Cable and Margo MacDonald in the 1989 campaign the Scottish National party would be forced to spend much of the 90s reanalysing itself and attempting to modernise the party away from the ‘Tartan Tories’ they had been painted as in 89’.
The Scottish Socialist Party would be formed in 1982 of the back of the 79’ Group expulsions, with Jim Sillar’s Scottish Labour Party deciding to enter into an alliance with the organisation alongside a series of other disparate Leftist groups before deciding to just form a new party instead. Initially seen as Scottish Labour Party Two, the expulsion of Margo MacDonald and her almost unopposed election to becoming the party’s leader allowed the Scottish Socialists to gain a firebrand of a leader.
Deliberately targeting seats in the Central Belt and it’s firebrand orators the party would manage to gain an impressive four seats in 1985, considering that the party had only been around for three years at point. But the party would firmly gain its footing with it’s coopting of the Anti-Poll Tax in 1987. Whilst Labour dithered, the Tories supported and the SNP remained mute, Margo MacDonald’s campaign ‘Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay’ would enrage the establishment but would endear her with those in Scotland who felt that the Scottish Socialist Party gave them a voice. This would be shown in 1989 as the party came out of the election holding ten seats in the Scottish Assembly. As the 90s dawned and the party saw a rise in membership with collapse of then CPGB and the post election supporters joining up, it seemed that the party was in for a sunny decade. But within a section of the party, a series of scandals were brewing that nearly toppled the party as it reached new highs, as Salmond and Sheridan started a slow rise in prominence...”
-A Brief History of the Scottish Assembly in it’s First Decade, Scotland Today, 2019
*Not seen, Jimmy Reid gaining a seat as a CPGB Candidate in the wake of the Miners Strike and the DUP & Greens gaining a seat in the 89’ election.
First Minister of the Scottish Assembly:
1980-1982: Bruce Millan (Labour)
1980 (Majority) def: Teddy Taylor (Conservative), William Wolfe (Scottish National), David Russell-Johnston (Liberal)
1981 (Majority) def: Teddy Taylor (Conservative), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Dickson Mabon-David Russell-Johnston (SDP-Liberal Pact)
1982-1989: Donald Dewar (Labour)
1985 (Coalition with Liberal) def: Alick-Buchanan-Smith (Conservative), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Dickson Mabon (Social Democratic), David Russell-Johnston (Liberal), Margo MacDonald (Scottish Socialist)
1989-: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative)
1989 (Coalition with Social Democrat) def: Donald Dewar (Labour), Vince Cable (Social Democratic), Winnie Ewing (Scottish National), Malcolm Bruce (Liberal), Margo MacDonald (Scottish Socialist)
“The appearance of the Scottish Assembly in 1980 was as much of a signal of the 80s containing different politics to the Post War Consensus as the election of Thatcher. Initially dominated by Labour, a series of defections to the nascent Social Democratic Party and Bruce Millan’s lukewarm leadership would in time lead to the appearance of a Labour-Liberal coalition which would become the main force of the assembly during much of the 80s. Labour would struggle to keep a semblance of the Keynesian Post War Consensus whilst avoiding the wrath of the economically dry Thatcher Government. Donald Dewar’s time as First Minister is fondly remembered for managing to keep unemployment low and ensuring fairly high standards of living compared to other parts of the de-industrialising Britain though amongst the Left his failure to make Scotland Nuclear Free, dithering over implementing the infamous poll tax and his leading of several Anti-Left purges leaves a sour taste.
The Conservative’s are remembered for spending much of the period flailing around in the wind as they failed to initially conjure a message separate from the Anti-Devolution, Social Conservatism and Fiscally Dryness of the Thatcher Government. Teddy Taylor found his inability to connect with a large proportion of the Scottish population compared to Donald Dewar a frustration which was only reminded by his removal for more moderate voices. Whilst Alick-Buchanan Smith indicated a shift towards a more Softer form of Scottish Toryism, the transformation would only come through under the tenure-ship of Malcolm Rifkind who’s One Nation message of Balanced Budgets, Anti-Corruption and Competence would eventually allow the Tory’s a victory in Scotland even after the controversy’s of Poll Tax and Trident. But the slow rise of the Scottish branch of the Democratic Unionist Party in previous Conservative strongholds would lead to questions about what Scottish Conservatism actually meant.
The Social Democrats and Liberals initially started on fairly good enough terms, the 1981 election pact and the ‘campaign of equals’ that ensued putting the pair on fairly good footing and avoided the implosion of the Scottish Centre. But much in the same way the two Nationwide parties would cool and eventually split, the same would happen between there Scottish counterparts. The Liberals joining into coalition with the Scottish Labour Government would seal the deal for Dickson Mabon and the Social Democrats. Whilst the Liberals stay down the road of Federalism, Keynesianism and Soft Environmentalism as it had been doing, the Social Democrats would under the dynamic leadership of Vince Cable turn towards Neoliberal Center Left ideal and Cable would be one of the many calling for a ‘Third Way’ away from the stuffy dynasties of Left and Right. Whilst this change in pitch and a compelling media campaign would see the Scottish Social Democrats climb to third place in 1989, it’s light was fleeting as the 90s dawned.
The Scottish National Party spent the 80s dealing with it’s own victory in many respects. The creation of the Scottish Assembly was down to the pushing of SNP MPs in Westminster but after it’s establishment the party would soon fall into turmoil. After the failure of William Wolfe in the 1980 election to capitalise on this new body of power, Winnie Ewing supported by a cabal from the party’s Right and Fundementalist Wing would claim the leadership spot and would go on a barnstorming campaign in 1981 which would see the party make substantial gains and cause Labour’s Majority to crumble to single figures.
With the support of the Right of the party, Ewing go about ensuring the purge of the so called 79’ Group and the Leftist strain of the party. Initially this did little to dampen Ewing’s popularity, but the dramatic expulsion of Margo MacDonald in 1983 would galvanise opinion. Whilst the party would do well again in 1985, with Ewing’s Populist rhetoric striking home with on the fence voters, the rise of the Scottish Socialist Party and the rise of several regional party’s and independents would erode the party’s once firm base. Blindsided by Vince Cable and Margo MacDonald in the 1989 campaign the Scottish National party would be forced to spend much of the 90s reanalysing itself and attempting to modernise the party away from the ‘Tartan Tories’ they had been painted as in 89’.
The Scottish Socialist Party would be formed in 1982 of the back of the 79’ Group expulsions, with Jim Sillar’s Scottish Labour Party deciding to enter into an alliance with the organisation alongside a series of other disparate Leftist groups before deciding to just form a new party instead. Initially seen as Scottish Labour Party Two, the expulsion of Margo MacDonald and her almost unopposed election to becoming the party’s leader allowed the Scottish Socialists to gain a firebrand of a leader.
Deliberately targeting seats in the Central Belt and it’s firebrand orators the party would manage to gain an impressive four seats in 1985, considering that the party had only been around for three years at point. But the party would firmly gain its footing with it’s coopting of the Anti-Poll Tax in 1987. Whilst Labour dithered, the Tories supported and the SNP remained mute, Margo MacDonald’s campaign ‘Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay’ would enrage the establishment but would endear her with those in Scotland who felt that the Scottish Socialist Party gave them a voice. This would be shown in 1989 as the party came out of the election holding ten seats in the Scottish Assembly. As the 90s dawned and the party saw a rise in membership with collapse of then CPGB and the post election supporters joining up, it seemed that the party was in for a sunny decade. But within a section of the party, a series of scandals were brewing that nearly toppled the party as it reached new highs, as Salmond and Sheridan started a slow rise in prominence...”
-A Brief History of the Scottish Assembly in it’s First Decade, Scotland Today, 2019
*Not seen, Jimmy Reid gaining a seat as a CPGB Candidate in the wake of the Miners Strike and the DUP & Greens gaining a seat in the 89’ election.
He Never Stopped
1977 - 1978: Fmr. Governor Ronald Reagan / Secretary of HUD Buddy Cianci (Republican)
1976 def. Fmr. Governor Jimmy Carter / Senator Ed Muskie (Democratic)
1978 - 1979: Vice President Buddy Cianci / vacant (Republican)
1979 - 1984: President Buddy Cianci / NATO Supreme Commander Alexander Haig (Republican)
1980 def. Senator Ed Muskie / Senator Walter Mondale (Democratic), Fmr. Senator Eugene McCarthy / Attorney Ed Clark (Libertarian)
1984 - 1984: Vice President Alexander Haig / vacant (Republican)
1984 - 1985: President Alexander Haig / Senator Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1985 - 1985: Mayor Mario Cuomo / Governor Bill Clinton (Democratic)
1984 def. President Alexander Haig / Senator Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1985 - 1985: Vice President Bill Clinton / vacant (Democratic)
1985 - 1991: President Bill Clinton / Senator John Glenn (Democratic)
1988 def. Fmr. President Alexander Haig / Actor Clint Eastwood (Republican), Businessman Lee Iacocca / Governor Bob Casey Sr. (Independent)
1991 - 1992: President Bill Clinton / vacant (Democratic)
1992 - 1993: President Bill Clinton / Senator Harris Wofford (Democratic)
1993 - 1994: Fmr. President Buddy Cianci / Representative Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
1992 def. President Bill Clinton / Vice President Harris Wofford (Democratic)
1994 - 1994: President Buddy Cianci / vacant (Republican)
1994 - 1994: President Buddy Cianci / vacant (United)
1994 - 2001: President Buddy Cianci / Senator Dick Lamm (United)
1996 def. Fmr. Ambassador to South Africa Pat Buchanan / Fmr. Attorney General Antonin Scalia (Republican), Reverend Jesse Jackson / Senator Bill Bradley (Democratic)
2001 - 2002: President Buddy Cianci / General Wesley Clark (United)
2000 def. Senator Bob Kerrey / Fmr. Secretary of Defense Sam Nunn (Democratic), Senator Alan Keyes / General Oliver North (Republican), Actor Warren Beatty / Representative Thomas Geoghegan (Independent)
2002 - 2003: Vice President Wesley Clark / vacant (United)
2003 - 2005: President Wesley Clark / Fmr. Secretary of Culture Dottie Lamm (United)
2005 - 2005: President Wesley Clark / vacant (United)
2005 - 2006: Senator Chris Matthews / Senator John McCain (Democratic)
2004 def. Senator Barry Goldwater Jr. / Governor Andrew Card (Republican), President Wesley Clark / Vice President Dottie Lamm (United)
2006 - 2007: Vice President John McCain / vacant (Independent)
2007 - 2007: President John McCain / vacant (Democratic)
2007 - 2013: President John McCain / Senator Chris Dodd (Democratic)
2008 def. Senator Oliver North / Representative Marco Rubio (Republican)
2013 - 2016: Fmr. President Buddy Cianci / NATO Supreme Commander James G. Stavridis (Independent)
2012 def. Senator Walter B. Jones Jr. / Fmr. Governor Mike Huckabee (Republican), Senator Kathleen Sebelius / General Anthony Zinni (Democratic), Teamsters President Dan La Botz / Musician Jello Biafra (Solidarity)
2016 - 2016: Vice President James G. Stavridis / vacant (Independent)
2016 - 2017: President James G. Stavridis / Fmr. Speaker of the House John Kasich (Independent)
2017 - 0000: Senator Alan Grayson / House Minority Whip Xavier Becerra (Democratic)
2016 def. Governor Joe Scarborough / Representative Steve Stockman (Republican)
- Ford appoints HUD Secretary Carla Hills to become the first female Supreme Court justice in winter, 1975.
- Rising star Providence Mayor Buddy Cianci appointed by Ford to become new HUD Secretary
- Reagan does ever so slightly better than OTL in the primaries (the Hills appointment whipped the vote of just enough feminism-opposed Republicans)
- Reagan has extremely narrow lead going into the RNC; Cianci reaches out to him and basically offers to get him enough delegates in exchange for becoming Reagan's running mate. Reagan agrees
- Carter selects Muskie over Mondale over fears that he was slipping with white ethnics and Catholics
- Cianci debates better than Muskie. Whatever that's worth
- Carter blows his lead similarly to OTL. He does a little worse this time though and loses outright
- Reagan goes to war with Panama. This ultimately gets the US to keep the canal (basically indefinitely) but ends up with Reagan getting assassinated by Kathy Boudin and the New York chapter of Prairie Fire Organizing Committee while campaigning for Massachusetts Senate Candidate Avi Nelson in October, 1978
- Cianci picks the right's beloved military man to show that he isn't afraid of terrorists and to shore up his approvals from conservatives
- An alt Iran Hostage Crisis occurs but Cianci is able to get bailed out when a haphazard rescue mission months later actually succeeds
- In later decades, Cianci will be seen as an avatar of American neoliberalism. This characterization isn't entirely fair. Although his appointment of Paul Volcker to Chair the Federal Reserve and his increasing reliance on tax cuts and austerity would be a major aspect of his presidency. He also built up a massive patronage machine and things like earmarks and federal contracts proliferated under his rule
- Cianci narrowly wins re-election against Democratic Party elder statesman Ed Muskie. The Koch Brothers' err I mean Gene McCarthy's Libertarians get just over 5% of the vote, a surprising proportion of which coming from people who may have recently considered themselves Democrats
- The PATCO strike is broken up when Cianci privatizes Air Traffic Control (he and his allies receive some nice kickbacks too) and sends in scabs under the protection of the military. Up to the present the heavily armed guards make US airports similar to European ones
- Cianci promises not to run in 1984 while trying to repeal the 22nd Amendment throughout 1983. Only a couple states bite, however Cianci maintains his popularity
- Also in 1983, millions of dollars of discretionary funding is (allegedly) embezzled by Cianci and his associates. This will destroy his presidency when it is leaked in September, 1983.
- In the final weeks of Cianci's presidency, federal contractor Raymond DeLeo disappears. It will only come out years after Cianci's death that he accidentally beat DeLeo to death over DeLeo's refusal to be extorted into paying the President's divorce fees which came about due to Cianci's suspicions that DeLeo destroyed his marriage
- Cianci resigns from the Presidency following his impeachment by the House of Representatives in April. His marriage is in shambles and his personal health is disastrous. Rumors of alcoholism and cocaine usage abound
- Alexander Haig pardons Cianci and selects Reagan-ally Paul Laxalt as his VP. He goes down hard against liberal New York City Mayor Mario Cuomo
- Secretary of Labor Anthony Scotto goes down in flames almost immediately after President Cuomo is sworn in
- Congressional Republicans, still bitter about the Cianci impeachment and the ass-kicking they received in November, are merciless against Cuomo and accuse the President of having substantial mob connections
- Cuomo holds a manic press conference where he claims he is the victim of an "anti-Italian" conspiracy
- Cuomo resigns in September at the urging of Vice President Clinton and Democratic congressional leadership
- Bill Clinton is known as "the Democrats' Cianci" and he honestly governs pretty similarly politically, although less corruptly
- Homer Simpson Haig 88 picture
- Iacocca decides to run in late 1987 and he polls quite well
- But he doesn't really have a political vision or platform (outside of vague platitudes) and looks for allies
- He finds his biggest allies in pro-life Democrats who are pissed at Clinton over some recent Supreme Court picks
- Clinton wins re-election in a similar result to OTL 1992
- After the end of the Cold War in 1989 Clinton's approval regularly polls in the mid 60s
- Clinton renews Cianci's call for a repeal of the 22nd Amendment
- Many Republicans would actually accept Clinton's challenge. Guy Vander Jagt takes the lead with a 'Draft Cianci' campaign in summer, 1990
- Cianci has been hosting an incredibly popular late night show on CNN since late, 1986 - his image has been partially rehabilitated and his approvals are back in the 40s
- 22nd Amendment officially repealed in September, 1991. Cianci launches his campaign within days
- John Glenn is assassinated by neo-Nazis in October, 1991. This does enough to tank the independent far right campaign of Louisiana Senator David Duke
- Clinton replaces Glenn with Pennsylvania Senator Harris Wofford to keep Jesse Jackson on the sidelines in 1992
- Cianci cleans up against Bob Dole and a bunch of right wing cranks waving the bloody banner of Ronald Reagan
- Cianci leans hard into anti-abortion rhetoric and successfully wins the endorsement of Bob Casey
- Clinton is still beating Cianci by several points going into October
- October Surprise: Harris Wofford credibly accused of being a homosexual; Clinton stands by him in the final weeks of the campaign, calls allegations false
- Cianci narrowly loses the popular vote; election up in the air due to Connecticut results
- Several hundred ballots thrown out for very spurious reasons; Cianci wins by <100 votes
- Bush 2000-type ordeal; Cianci's reputation as a crook renewed
- Ramzi Yousef destroys the Twin Towers on February 26, 1993. Cianci gives a 'top ten American rhetoric' speech over the rubble. The War on Terror begins: The US coordinates to a have a military footprint across the Middle East and civil liberties are curtailed at home
- Ronald Gene Barbour attempted to kill "mobster" Buddy Cianci in January, 1994. Cianci (known as President for attending even minor events in Washington) was slated to go to the opening of a Capitol Hill restaurant but had a prior engagement and sent VP Vander Jagt instead. Vander Jagt was shot and killed
- Weeks after the death of Vander Jagt, Cianci forms the 'United Party' to disassociate from the Republican Party and lead his own completely independent political machine
- Dick Lamm and his allies become trusted wing of Cianci political machinery
- Cianci does well throughout the 90s but the returns are diminishing, particularly as the WTC Attack recedes from immediate memory
- Bill Clinton dies from a heart attack in early 1995
- Pat Buchanan leads the far-right takeover of the GOP. He blames Cianci for the collapse of South Africa but anyone who cares and isn't already subscribed to the Ron Paul Newsletters probably blames Clinton more for that anyway
- Jesse Jackson wins only DC and gets less than 30% of the popular vote. A lot of factors, but also a la Corbyn 2017 there's internal party sabotage
- Lamm loses his shit when Cianci runs for another term in 2000, he gets his wife fired from her cabinet post
- Lamm replaced by War on Terror hero Wesley Clark
- Warren Beatty runs a Bulworth-style left wing independent campaign with the help of the never having won Teamsters for a Democratic Union
- For some reason many of Buchanan's supporters are incredibly reluctant to back Keyes
- Cianci ratfucks Kerrey by releasing all that nasty war crimes stuff from his past right before the election
- Cianci still only narrowly defeats Kerrey
- In April, 2001 the walls start closing in on Cianci once again when a bunch of his underlings are arrested
- Takes a little over a year but Cianci is removed from office and put in handcuffs after going down swinging in a crazy senate trial
- United eat shit in the midterms a few months later
- Clark appoints the biggest internal party critic of Cianci as the new VP
- Pennsylvania Senator Chris Matthews (allegedly one of the key figures in the Cuomo resignation) wins the Democratic nomination and picks Republican-turned-United-turned-Independent Senator John McCain as his running mate
- Fusionism really starts falling apart in the radicalizing GOP
- Matthews wins easily and United gets less than 20% of the vote
- Clark pardons Cianci (who has served over two years in prison) in his final days, this prompts a resignation from his VP
- Matthews dies of Malaria after going on an international tour in summer, 2006
- The 2006 midterms wipeout much of what was left of United's congressional delegation
- McCain starts an eventually disastrous war with Iran in early, 2008
- North wins the GOP primaries due to being the strongest supporter of the then-popular Iran War
- McCain wins narrowly in November, 2008
- The economy just gives out a few months later and suddenly the war stops working out too
- Tehran falls back into Iran's hands (after having been previously captured during a blitz in October, 2008) in June, 2009 and the United States is officially on the back foot
- McCain re-institutes the Draft in August, 2009
- The combination recession/war devastates the country
- Cianci elected to the House in 2010; transparently says that his next step is to run for President one last time to end the war and fix the economy
- TDU, even more radical sans Ron Carey's OTL victory, takes over the Teamsters
- Cianci is returned to office in a chaotic election amidst a still sluggish economy and a doomed war effort
- By the end of 2015, all US troops have left Iran and the Iran War has formally ended, and the economy has recovered to pre-recession levels
- Cianci dies on time OTL; His funeral is widely attended and he died amid a moment of popularity
- "Ciancism" or flamboyant 'populism' becomes a mainstay in American politics with both major 2016 candidates seen as practicing left and right wing versions of Ciancism
- A 2017 poll found that a slim plurality of Americans consider Cianci to be the greatest president in American history
- But soon the rest of the stuff he did came out...
- Rising star Providence Mayor Buddy Cianci appointed by Ford to become new HUD Secretary
- Reagan does ever so slightly better than OTL in the primaries (the Hills appointment whipped the vote of just enough feminism-opposed Republicans)
- Reagan has extremely narrow lead going into the RNC; Cianci reaches out to him and basically offers to get him enough delegates in exchange for becoming Reagan's running mate. Reagan agrees
- Carter selects Muskie over Mondale over fears that he was slipping with white ethnics and Catholics
- Cianci debates better than Muskie. Whatever that's worth
- Carter blows his lead similarly to OTL. He does a little worse this time though and loses outright
- Reagan goes to war with Panama. This ultimately gets the US to keep the canal (basically indefinitely) but ends up with Reagan getting assassinated by Kathy Boudin and the New York chapter of Prairie Fire Organizing Committee while campaigning for Massachusetts Senate Candidate Avi Nelson in October, 1978
- Cianci picks the right's beloved military man to show that he isn't afraid of terrorists and to shore up his approvals from conservatives
- An alt Iran Hostage Crisis occurs but Cianci is able to get bailed out when a haphazard rescue mission months later actually succeeds
- In later decades, Cianci will be seen as an avatar of American neoliberalism. This characterization isn't entirely fair. Although his appointment of Paul Volcker to Chair the Federal Reserve and his increasing reliance on tax cuts and austerity would be a major aspect of his presidency. He also built up a massive patronage machine and things like earmarks and federal contracts proliferated under his rule
- Cianci narrowly wins re-election against Democratic Party elder statesman Ed Muskie. The Koch Brothers' err I mean Gene McCarthy's Libertarians get just over 5% of the vote, a surprising proportion of which coming from people who may have recently considered themselves Democrats
- The PATCO strike is broken up when Cianci privatizes Air Traffic Control (he and his allies receive some nice kickbacks too) and sends in scabs under the protection of the military. Up to the present the heavily armed guards make US airports similar to European ones
- Cianci promises not to run in 1984 while trying to repeal the 22nd Amendment throughout 1983. Only a couple states bite, however Cianci maintains his popularity
- Also in 1983, millions of dollars of discretionary funding is (allegedly) embezzled by Cianci and his associates. This will destroy his presidency when it is leaked in September, 1983.
- In the final weeks of Cianci's presidency, federal contractor Raymond DeLeo disappears. It will only come out years after Cianci's death that he accidentally beat DeLeo to death over DeLeo's refusal to be extorted into paying the President's divorce fees which came about due to Cianci's suspicions that DeLeo destroyed his marriage
- Cianci resigns from the Presidency following his impeachment by the House of Representatives in April. His marriage is in shambles and his personal health is disastrous. Rumors of alcoholism and cocaine usage abound
- Alexander Haig pardons Cianci and selects Reagan-ally Paul Laxalt as his VP. He goes down hard against liberal New York City Mayor Mario Cuomo
- Secretary of Labor Anthony Scotto goes down in flames almost immediately after President Cuomo is sworn in
- Congressional Republicans, still bitter about the Cianci impeachment and the ass-kicking they received in November, are merciless against Cuomo and accuse the President of having substantial mob connections
- Cuomo holds a manic press conference where he claims he is the victim of an "anti-Italian" conspiracy
- Cuomo resigns in September at the urging of Vice President Clinton and Democratic congressional leadership
- Bill Clinton is known as "the Democrats' Cianci" and he honestly governs pretty similarly politically, although less corruptly
- Homer Simpson Haig 88 picture
- Iacocca decides to run in late 1987 and he polls quite well
- But he doesn't really have a political vision or platform (outside of vague platitudes) and looks for allies
- He finds his biggest allies in pro-life Democrats who are pissed at Clinton over some recent Supreme Court picks
- Clinton wins re-election in a similar result to OTL 1992
- After the end of the Cold War in 1989 Clinton's approval regularly polls in the mid 60s
- Clinton renews Cianci's call for a repeal of the 22nd Amendment
- Many Republicans would actually accept Clinton's challenge. Guy Vander Jagt takes the lead with a 'Draft Cianci' campaign in summer, 1990
- Cianci has been hosting an incredibly popular late night show on CNN since late, 1986 - his image has been partially rehabilitated and his approvals are back in the 40s
- 22nd Amendment officially repealed in September, 1991. Cianci launches his campaign within days
- John Glenn is assassinated by neo-Nazis in October, 1991. This does enough to tank the independent far right campaign of Louisiana Senator David Duke
- Clinton replaces Glenn with Pennsylvania Senator Harris Wofford to keep Jesse Jackson on the sidelines in 1992
- Cianci cleans up against Bob Dole and a bunch of right wing cranks waving the bloody banner of Ronald Reagan
- Cianci leans hard into anti-abortion rhetoric and successfully wins the endorsement of Bob Casey
- Clinton is still beating Cianci by several points going into October
- October Surprise: Harris Wofford credibly accused of being a homosexual; Clinton stands by him in the final weeks of the campaign, calls allegations false
- Cianci narrowly loses the popular vote; election up in the air due to Connecticut results
- Several hundred ballots thrown out for very spurious reasons; Cianci wins by <100 votes
- Bush 2000-type ordeal; Cianci's reputation as a crook renewed
- Ramzi Yousef destroys the Twin Towers on February 26, 1993. Cianci gives a 'top ten American rhetoric' speech over the rubble. The War on Terror begins: The US coordinates to a have a military footprint across the Middle East and civil liberties are curtailed at home
- Ronald Gene Barbour attempted to kill "mobster" Buddy Cianci in January, 1994. Cianci (known as President for attending even minor events in Washington) was slated to go to the opening of a Capitol Hill restaurant but had a prior engagement and sent VP Vander Jagt instead. Vander Jagt was shot and killed
- Weeks after the death of Vander Jagt, Cianci forms the 'United Party' to disassociate from the Republican Party and lead his own completely independent political machine
- Dick Lamm and his allies become trusted wing of Cianci political machinery
- Cianci does well throughout the 90s but the returns are diminishing, particularly as the WTC Attack recedes from immediate memory
- Bill Clinton dies from a heart attack in early 1995
- Pat Buchanan leads the far-right takeover of the GOP. He blames Cianci for the collapse of South Africa but anyone who cares and isn't already subscribed to the Ron Paul Newsletters probably blames Clinton more for that anyway
- Jesse Jackson wins only DC and gets less than 30% of the popular vote. A lot of factors, but also a la Corbyn 2017 there's internal party sabotage
- Lamm loses his shit when Cianci runs for another term in 2000, he gets his wife fired from her cabinet post
- Lamm replaced by War on Terror hero Wesley Clark
- Warren Beatty runs a Bulworth-style left wing independent campaign with the help of the never having won Teamsters for a Democratic Union
- For some reason many of Buchanan's supporters are incredibly reluctant to back Keyes
- Cianci ratfucks Kerrey by releasing all that nasty war crimes stuff from his past right before the election
- Cianci still only narrowly defeats Kerrey
- In April, 2001 the walls start closing in on Cianci once again when a bunch of his underlings are arrested
- Takes a little over a year but Cianci is removed from office and put in handcuffs after going down swinging in a crazy senate trial
- United eat shit in the midterms a few months later
- Clark appoints the biggest internal party critic of Cianci as the new VP
- Pennsylvania Senator Chris Matthews (allegedly one of the key figures in the Cuomo resignation) wins the Democratic nomination and picks Republican-turned-United-turned-Independent Senator John McCain as his running mate
- Fusionism really starts falling apart in the radicalizing GOP
- Matthews wins easily and United gets less than 20% of the vote
- Clark pardons Cianci (who has served over two years in prison) in his final days, this prompts a resignation from his VP
- Matthews dies of Malaria after going on an international tour in summer, 2006
- The 2006 midterms wipeout much of what was left of United's congressional delegation
- McCain starts an eventually disastrous war with Iran in early, 2008
- North wins the GOP primaries due to being the strongest supporter of the then-popular Iran War
- McCain wins narrowly in November, 2008
- The economy just gives out a few months later and suddenly the war stops working out too
- Tehran falls back into Iran's hands (after having been previously captured during a blitz in October, 2008) in June, 2009 and the United States is officially on the back foot
- McCain re-institutes the Draft in August, 2009
- The combination recession/war devastates the country
- Cianci elected to the House in 2010; transparently says that his next step is to run for President one last time to end the war and fix the economy
- TDU, even more radical sans Ron Carey's OTL victory, takes over the Teamsters
- Cianci is returned to office in a chaotic election amidst a still sluggish economy and a doomed war effort
- By the end of 2015, all US troops have left Iran and the Iran War has formally ended, and the economy has recovered to pre-recession levels
- Cianci dies on time OTL; His funeral is widely attended and he died amid a moment of popularity
- "Ciancism" or flamboyant 'populism' becomes a mainstay in American politics with both major 2016 candidates seen as practicing left and right wing versions of Ciancism
- A 2017 poll found that a slim plurality of Americans consider Cianci to be the greatest president in American history
- But soon the rest of the stuff he did came out...
1979 - 1987 Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1987 - 1990 Michael Heseltine (Conservative-Alliance coalition)
1987: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative, 300 seats), Neil Kinnock (Labour, 292 seats), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/SDP Alliance, 36 seats)
1987 Conservative Leadership: Michael Heseltine, Nigel Lawson, Douglas Hurd
1990-1992 Neil Kinnock (Labour minority)
1990: Neil Kinnock (Labour, 305 seats), Michael Heseltine (Conservative, 301 seats), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/SDP Alliance, 21 seats)
1991 "Democrats" Merger vote: 53.3% in favor, 46.7% against in the SDP, 81.2 in favor, 18.8 against in the Liberal Party.
1991 Democrats Leadership: Alan Beith, Malcolm Bruce
1992-1999 Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock, (Labour, 331 seats), Michael Heseltine (Conservative, 288 seats), Alan Beith (Democrats, 5 seats), David Owen (Social Democratic, 2 seats)
1993 Conservative Leadership: Norman Lamont, Ken Clarke, John Redwood
1995 Democrats Leadership: Simon Hughes
1996: Neil Kinnock (Labour, 338 seats), Norman Lamont (Conservative, 264 seats), David Owen/James Goldsmith (Social Democratic/Anti-European Coalition, 12 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 9 seats)
1997 Conservative Leadership: Virginia Bottomley, Ken Clarke, Michael Howard
1999-2001 Gerald Kaufman (Labour)
1999 Labour Leadership: Gerald Kaufman, Jack Straw, Michael Meacher, Gordon Brown
2001-0000 Gerald Kaufman (Labour minority)
2001: Gerald Kaufman (Labour, 308 seats), Virginia Bottomley (Conservative, 290 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 15 seats), David Bellamy (Social Democratic/Anti-European Coalition, 9 seats)
1987 - 1990 Michael Heseltine (Conservative-Alliance coalition)
1987: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative, 300 seats), Neil Kinnock (Labour, 292 seats), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/SDP Alliance, 36 seats)
1987 Conservative Leadership: Michael Heseltine, Nigel Lawson, Douglas Hurd
1990-1992 Neil Kinnock (Labour minority)
1990: Neil Kinnock (Labour, 305 seats), Michael Heseltine (Conservative, 301 seats), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/SDP Alliance, 21 seats)
1991 "Democrats" Merger vote: 53.3% in favor, 46.7% against in the SDP, 81.2 in favor, 18.8 against in the Liberal Party.
1991 Democrats Leadership: Alan Beith, Malcolm Bruce
1992-1999 Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock, (Labour, 331 seats), Michael Heseltine (Conservative, 288 seats), Alan Beith (Democrats, 5 seats), David Owen (Social Democratic, 2 seats)
1993 Conservative Leadership: Norman Lamont, Ken Clarke, John Redwood
1995 Democrats Leadership: Simon Hughes
1996: Neil Kinnock (Labour, 338 seats), Norman Lamont (Conservative, 264 seats), David Owen/James Goldsmith (Social Democratic/Anti-European Coalition, 12 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 9 seats)
1997 Conservative Leadership: Virginia Bottomley, Ken Clarke, Michael Howard
1999-2001 Gerald Kaufman (Labour)
1999 Labour Leadership: Gerald Kaufman, Jack Straw, Michael Meacher, Gordon Brown
2001-0000 Gerald Kaufman (Labour minority)
2001: Gerald Kaufman (Labour, 308 seats), Virginia Bottomley (Conservative, 290 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 15 seats), David Bellamy (Social Democratic/Anti-European Coalition, 9 seats)
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OTL saw the creation of the Scottish Unionist Party in 1986 through opposition to the Anglo-Irish Agreement, so not entirely out of the blue if there was already precedent for Protestant Unionism as a political force a la what we discussed for Jack Glass in 1981. OTL Glass stood in the Hillhead by-election under the label "Protestant Crusade Against the Papal Visit", so again something that does have precedent.
I agonized back and forth for any name other than Scottish Socialist for the left-nationalist Party formed by 79 Group expellees and Jim Sillars. Solidarity would have been good but same associations. Unfortunately, all the other options I came up with were either too early to make much sense in the 1980s or too associated with Irish nationalism.
My for the CPGB was that Reid would defect from Labour in 1984, hold his seat in the 1985 election (by that time they would have switched to STV) and also be joined by at most 3 others. Keep in mind that as late as 1999 under AMS Scargill's Socialist Labour still finished in the national polls above Sheridan's Scottish Labour, but the latter got a seat because their vote was concentrated in Glasgow and D'Hondt was the method used (had Sainte-Laguë been used in 1999 the SLP would have won 3 seats).
There aren't going to be 3-4 CPGB members by 1989, but like we saw on local government in Scotland figures like Reid might keep getting elected under Communist labels or as Independents based on personal appeal.
Due to various issues,it might take a little longer.
Til then,
17 April 1998-22 January 2001 Radu Vasile (CDR-USD-UDMR Coalition,PPC-D minority government after 19 January 2000)
2000 Parliamentary Election Results:
PDSR: 229 seats
PRM: 128 seats
UDMR: 39 seats
PD: 31 seats
2000 Presidential Election Results:
First Round:
Ion Iliescu (PDSR) -35,50 %
Florin Călinescu (Independent)-21,02%
Corneliu Vadim Tudor (PRM)-20,91%
Theodor Stolojan (PNL)-8,75%
György Frunda (UDMR)-5,99%
Petre Roman (PD)-2,81%
Teodor Meleșcanu (ApR)-1,58%
Radu Vasile (PPC-D)-0,99%
Remus Opriș (CDR 2000)-0,52%
Constantin Dudu Ionescu (PNȚ-C 2000)-0,51%
Eduard Gheorghe Manole (Independent)-0,36%
Graziela-Elena Bârlă (Independent)-0,35%
Prince Paul of Romania (PNR)-0,29%
Ion Sasu (PSM)-0,24%
Nicolae Cerveni (PLDR)-0,18%
Second Round:
Florin Călinescu (Independent)-50,24%
Ion Iliescu (PDSR)-49,76%
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I doubt Gerald Kaufman would ever have become Labour due to his personality and politics, I think Jack Cunningham, Prezza or Jack Straw had more of a chance over Kaufman.
Indeed it was your mentioning of Jack Glass and the SUP that inspired that mention there, I don’t think that a Scottish DUP would ever be as strong as there Northern Irish Counterpart but they certainly could be enough of an annoyance to cause the Scottish Tories to compromise with them.
Scottish Left Alliance could have also worked but it is a bit vague and cumbersome in my opinion. Solidarity does also work, but additionally has the stink of Sheridan too it. Still I think for what it’s worth it does describe the group well.
That does make sense, and there is a precedent of people in the Mid 80s voting in CPGB members on the local level in a kind of LibDemy type capacity, Reid I see as someone that’s voted in as a Independent Socialist consistently as the CPGB collapses and there other folks defect elsewhere or sit as Independents.
I was going to get into the CPGB and for example folks like the Greens I bit more but I wrote most of this yesterday after coming back from a holiday and lacked energy so, I decided against it.
It’s certainly a scenario I find fascinating and the idea of a Scottish Assembly changing the dynamic of British Politics in the 80s is something that I think should be done more.
1933 - 1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt / John Nance Garner (Democrat)
1932 def: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936 def: Alfred Landon / Frank Knox (Republican), Huey Long / William Borah (Union)
1941 - 1943: Charles Lindbergh / Thomas E. Dewey (Republican)
1940 def: James Farley / Cordel Hull (Democrat)
1943 - 1945: Charles Lindbergh (America First) / Thomas E. Dewey (Republican)
1945: Charles Lindbergh (America First backed by German American Bund, Fascist League of North America, Silver Legion, Ku Klux Klan, Christian Crusade)
1945 - 1945: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) / vacant
1945 - 1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) / vacant
1945 - 1946: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Henry A. Wallace (Democrat endorsed by CPUSA)
1944 def: Charles Lindbergh / Gerald P. Nye (America First), Thomas E. Dewey / Arthur Vandenberg (Republican) [did not actively campaign, endorsed Franklin D. Roosevelt]
1946 - 1948: Henry A. Wallace (Democrat) / vacant
1948 - 1949: Henry A. Wallace (Popular Front) / vacant
1949 - 1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower / James Roosevelt (Democrat)
1948 def: Henry A. Wallace / Vito Marcantonio (Popular Front), Thomas E. Dewey / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1952 def: Henry A. Wallace / Glen H. Taylor (Popular Front), Robert A. Taft / Hebry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1957 - 1961: Lyndon B. Johnson / Richard Nixon (Democrat)
1956 def: Robert Hale Merriman / Benjamin J. Davis Jr. (Popular Front), Terry Carpenter / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1961 - 1963: Lyndon B. Johnson / John F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1960 def: Vincent Hallinan / Coleman Young (Popular Front), Gerald Ford / Gerald L. K. Smith (Republican)
1963 - 1963: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) / vacant
1963 - 1965: John F. Kennedy / Sam Yorty (Democrat)
1965 - 1969: John F. Kennedy / Hubert H. Humphrey (Democrat)
1964 def: Earl Browder / Paul Robeson (Popular Front), Lincoln Rockwell / Edwin Walker (Republican)
1969 - 1974: Richard Nixon / John Connally (Democrat)
1968 def: Martin Luther King, Jr. / Norman Mailer (Independent endorsed by Popular Front), John Wayne / Curtis LeMay (Republican)
1972 def: Walter Reuther / Fannie Lou Hamer (Popular Front), Revilo P. Oliver / George Schuyler (Republican)
1974 - 1974: Richard Nixon (Democrat) / vacant
1974 - 1975: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) / vacant
1975 - 1977: John F. Kennedy / Terry Sanford (Democrat)
1977 - 19__: George McGovern (Democrat) / Michael Harrington (Popular Front)
1976 def: William Westmoreland / Joe P. Kennedy Jr. (Republican), Gus Hall / Emma Tenayuca (CPUSA)
The American people have always had an odd relationship with their president. This is usually accredited to the way the presidential system functions, and the consolidation of power in the hand of a single person, unlike the parliamentary system of European countries, or soviet system of communist countries, but this is only the tip of the iceberg. The American system is not just both the head of state and government, but also the head of a particular mindset that is prevalent in society at that moment. This concept was first explored by Orson Welles following his failure to win re-election to the Senate in 1970.
Welles argued that the reason that few presidents managed to leave a legacy behind is because they are merely representations of the contemporary, one which the American people wish to leave behind after just a few years. No president of the 20th or 21st century has managed to leave behind a positive legacy. The 1940s to 1970s is a particularly good example of this. Lindbergh was a fascist who was ultimately hanged by communist partisans, Roosevelt died before he could even win the war, Wallace compromised with the progressives and killed the momentum of the American left, Eisenhower set civil rights back a decade to withhold the Popular Front from acquiring any more power, Johnson split the party in two and created much of what we know as the deep state, and Nixon was so corrupt that a self-inflicted .44 was the only thing that saved him from a prison sentence.
The only man, America doesn’t do female presidents, who managed to escape this fate was John F. Kennedy. Once known as the son of Lindbergh’s Secretary of State, by the time he was killed by Maoist terrorists JFK was a man who’s name America’s growing Catholic population held up as highly as John Paul II, who would meat a bullet only a year later. However, unlike the pope’s death JFK’s is mired in conspiracy. The centre-left icon had made many enemies throughout his three separate terms, and as his father’s former boss could tell you, some grievances can lead to your assassination.
What sets Kennedy’s death apart from Lindbergh’s or Johnson’s is that a lot of people do not believe the facts that are presented to them. Communists proudly, and neo-fascists angrily agree that Lindbergh was killed by the Red Front, most of the American public does not even remember Johnson, and those that do, know that Lee H. Osawld did it. Nevertheless, Kennedy being killed by a bunch of communists from the midwest just fits in the narrative of people like Cianci, Trump and Sadat.
There is a reason why almost all members of the Popular Front treated his death as one of their own. There is a reason why even opponents of the “historic compromise” like Gus Hall wept tears at his funeral, though cynics would argue it was just to try to get younger communists away from Maoist movements. Nonetheless, even anti-Kennedy communists treated his funeral with the utmost respect. The same respect that JFK had shown when their leader, Earl Browder, passed away by not just attending his funeral, but also praising his fight against fascism, and in favor of workers’ rights. Back then, JFK was one of the few prominent Democrats who attended his funeral, Nixon never willing to do so in a millions years, but every Popular Front member who was someone, was present for Kennedy’s.
President McGovern, Vice-President Harrington, Martin Luther King Jr., former Vice-President Yorty, and even former congressman Wayne’s speeches are still talked about, but it is Walter Reuther’s speech that remains engraved in the mind of any self-respecting American leftist. Walter Reuther, the man that invited Kennedy to forming a historic compromise, gave a rousing speech where he did not just detail Kennedy’s evolution from a Lindbergh boy to America’s most progressive president since Lincoln. The greatest builder of the modern American welfare state, the man who ended the persecution of the Middle-Eastern Jews, and the man who shook hands with the Popular Front to stop fascism from ever rearing its ugly head again, though the last part sadly proved not to be true.
While the compromise fell apart in 1980, following McGovern’s defeat in the primaries against Governor Cianci, it paved the way for the Social Democratic party’s foundation in 1991, as the sixth party system ended, and a more traditional centre-left against centre-right system emerged. There is a reason why Kennedy was picked above Roosevelt, Wallace, and McGovern, as the representation of the values of the new party. His Catholic progressivism has defined modern American social democracy, with all of its strengths and flaws. Though even titans eventually die. There is a reason why Ventura became the first left-wing president to not hang a picture of Kennedy, but of Henry Wallace, behind the oval desk in Blair House.
As John F. Kennedy is very slowly fading away from the American people’s memory, those who question the validity of his assassination’s details have also decreased. Some like former President Sanders keep arguing that the People’s Liberation Army did not do it on their own, but in modern American political discourse this has been overshadowed by the right indirectly turning the former president into a meme. “President Kennedy would not have supported trans right” is a phrase that has gone from being a slogan in former president Trump’s seventh presidential campaign, to an ironic meme on message boards, though the fact that every catholic grandmother has a portrait of Kennedy in their home had already partially made him a meme. In the eyes of many young leftists Kennedy’s image has transformed from one of hope, change, and the injustice that American progressivism tries to overcome to a way to make fun of the modern right. After all, why question the role of the deep state in the assassination of JFK, when you can just make fun of Rick Santorum?
Seeing a government, especially a minority one led by Kaufman would be fun due to his personality and politics and I agree with you on how it was unlikely to ever happen and in this timeline Kaufman is the upset winner due to sympathy because he was attacked by pro-fox hunting activists while campaigning for the leadership election.
A few explanations,since I kinda wanna turn this into a thing:
When reading the memoirs of Radu Vasile (as well as about the December 1999 crisis),I found out that there were serious talks within PNȚCD to split in three (if not more) over Constantinescu wanting to replace Vasile with Radu Sârbu,as Vasile did still have support in the party and more heavy name MPs joining his party like Norica Nicolai was a real possibility before they chickened out-not to mention the conservative wing of PNȚCD being against Constantinescu’s insistence for Sârbu to be PM and wanting Constantin Dudu Ionescu instead,also wanting to split the party if the president didn’t comply.
Not only that but the crisis presented an interesting conundrum,as Constantinescu couldn’t technically remove Vasile as PM and Vasile refused to resign unless Parliament voted a motion of no confidence against him,turning into a very stupid game of chicken between two people that at this point just loathed each other. Think the Blair-Brown feud but times three worse and Blair is President. The only reason Vasile eventually resigned is because he just didn’t feel like doing it anymore.
Here,Vasile does feel like going on and the party eventually splits (first with two and then with three and so on) faster than OTL,
which causes one hell of a problem for the Coalition since,even if they vote a motion of no confidence against Vasile,they still need to appoint someone else.
Thus comes the third PoD: OTL,Isărescu became PM not because of anyone in the Coalition,but because of Iliescu oddly enough,who proposed him as a random suggestion during talks,knowing full well that he and PDSR were gonna win the elections not matter what happened. The Coalition just went with him because,well,they couldn’t think of anyone else so fuck it,let’s go with our greatest electoral enemy’s suggestion.
Here,for whatever reason,Iliescu doesn’t say his name and thus Constantinescu,Roman and co are stuck. Vasile thus goes on and on with a minority government that can’t really do anything and always avoids being voted out because CDR,PD and PNL don’t want early elections (and also because they don’t have a majority anymore) and Vasile wins the game of chicken by making them not participate at the motion of no confidence and thus make them void due to lack of quorum,creating an absurd situation that exists solely out of spite.
The fourth and fifth PoD are:
-Florin Călinescu running for President in 2000 like he nearly did OTL-with the difference that he’s doing it as an independent and telling Măgureanu to fuck off,he doesn’t want his support. Him in the race changes things a lot. Of all possible competitors in 2000,Călinescu is honestly the one only that can enter the second round and win against Iliescu. He’s the most popular and known Romanian TV personality in 2000,can match Iliescu in populism and can appeal to the working class and ordinary non voters the same one Băsescu did in 2004.
-PNL narrowly not reaching 5% in the legislative elections like many during that time thought and losing all their MPs like CDR
What follows? Năstase and Iliescu fighting over power two years earlier,Călinescu feuding with them and getting impeached numerous times,a complete and utter change of the political landscape-and many more I can’t quite get into.
I was bored so I decided to continue this
2001 - 2004 Gerald Kaufman (Labour minority)
2001: Gerald Kaufman (Labour, 308 seats), Virginia Bottomley (Conservative, 290 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 15 seats), David Bellamy (Social Democratic/Anti-European Coalition, 9 seats)
2004 - 2011 Virginia Bottomley (Conservative)
2004: Virginia Bottomley (Conservative, 353 seats), Gerald Kaufman (Labour, 221 seats), Simon Hughes (Democrats, 29 seats), Paul Sykes (Social Democratic, 13 seats), Darren Johnson/Caroline Lucas (Green, 1 seat)
2006 Labour Leadership: Hilary Benn, Alan Milburn, Lynne Jones
2008: Virginia Bottomley (Conservative, 341 seats), Hilary Benn (Labour, 228 seats), Sarah Ludford (34 seats, Democrats), Paul Sykes (Social Democratic, 11 seats), Keith Taylor (Green, 1 seat)
2008 Labour Leadership: Hazel Blears, Alistair Darling, John McDonnell
2011 - 2012 David Laws (Conservative)
2011 Conservative Leadership: David Laws, Tim Collins, George Osborne
2012 - 2013 Rachel Johnson (Conservative)
2012 Conservative Leadership: Rachel Johnson, William Hague, Liam Fox, David Cameron
2013 - 2018 Hazel Blears (Labour-Alliance Coalition)
2013: Hazel Blears (Labour, 293 seats), Rachel Johnson (Conservative, 244 seats), Sarah Ludford (Democrats, 47 seats), Zac Goldsmith (Social Democratic, 26 seats), Keith Taylor (Green, 1 seat)
2014 AV+ Referendum: For 54.2%, Against 45.8%
2014 Conservative Leadership: William Hague, Philip Hammond
2018 - 2021 Hazel Blears (Labour minority)
2018: Hazel Blears (Labour, 277 seats), William Hague (Conservative, 269 seats), Sarah Ludford (Democrats, 61 seats), Suzanne Evans (Social Democratic, 49 seats), Alexandra Phillips (Green, 8 seats)
2018 Conservative Leadership: Iain Duncan Smith, Rory Stewart, Shaun Bailey, Damian Green, Andrea Leadsom
2019 Democrats Leadership: Chuka Ummuna, Lynne Featherstone, Willie Rennie
2021 - 0000 David Lammy
2021: David Lammy, Mary Creagh, Ian Lavery, Sadiq Khan, Jess Phillips
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1893-1909: Major General Nelson A. Miles of Massachusetts (Union)
1908 [Cancelled] (with Senator John Bryan of Platte) def. Representative Joseph Cannon† ("Anti-Reelectionist" Populist - Southron-Freedom-People's)
1908: Second Nullification Crisis Begins in Response to the Cancellation of the 1908 Election
1909: American Junto formed
1909: AMERICAN CIVIL WAR BEGINS, JUNTO vs COALITION vs SOUTHRON REPUBLIC vs VARIOUS MINOR FACTIONS
JUNTO
1909-1911: President Nelson A. Miles of Massachusetts† (Union)
1911: Miles is assassinated by a Coalition sharpshooter while inspecting the front lines in Missouri
April 1911- June 1911: General Leonard Wood of Massachusetts* (Union)
1911: General Wood is removed from leadership after losing St. Louis
June 1911-July 1911: General John J. Pershing of New York† (Union)
1911: Pershing is killed by his own men outside Springfield, Bullard gains leadership
July 1911-October 1911: General Robert L. Bullard of Alabama† (Union)
1911: Bullard is killed by an unknown assailant, (presumed to be another Junto member) the Junto "agrees" to forgo appointing a successor [Couldn't come to a decision]
1911-1912: "Collective Leadership"
1912: The Leavenworth Clique Mutiny allows Coalition Forces to besiege Washington, Junto dissolved, War ends
COALITION
1909: First San Francisco Congress declares the formation of the Coalition and intent to depose the Junto
1909-1912: Governor Jack Chaney of Sacramento, Governor James Ferguson of Texas, Former Governor T.J. Roosevelt of New York
SOUTHRON REPUBLIC
1909: Terminus Convention declares independence and appoints Furnifold Simmons President until elections could be held
1909-1912: Senator Furnifold Simmons of North Carolina (Southron)
MINOR FACTIONS
Army for the Liberation of the Canadas
Independence of the Canadian Republics restored
National American Indian Union
Republic of Sequoyah is declared
Republic of Acadiana
Cajun Insurgency continues into the 1910s
Free Mexican Army
Eventually defeated by the Texarkana Clique
1912: JUNTO DEFEATED, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ENDS, SECOND CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION CALLED
1912-1913: Presidency Vacant, Coalition Triumvirate collectively Acting President
1913: Following the failure of the Second Constitutional Convention, United States de facto dissolves, Interconstitutional Era Begins
The American Civil War began following the cancellation of the 1908 Election by American Dictator Nelson Miles. The dominant Union Party had been in power since its creation in 1870 and had become dictatorial in the 1890s. International Observers stated that if the election had been legitimate, Miles easily would have lost, but the election was extremely corrupt, with rampant ballot ‘disappearances’. This culminated in the arrest and murder of Anti-Reelectionist candidate Joseph Cannon which triggered the 1908 Nullification Crisis.
The Nullification Crisis led to a Junto being created by the President compromising of two Generals, one Admiral, the President, Vice President, the Secretaries of State, War, Army, and Navy, as well as the commander of the Liberty Leagues, the Union Party Militia. Opposing the Junto was the Coalition of Freedom, formed following the First San Francisco Congress, and the [Second] Southron Republic, declared during the Terminus Convention.
1908 [Cancelled] (with Senator John Bryan of Platte) def. Representative Joseph Cannon† ("Anti-Reelectionist" Populist - Southron-Freedom-People's)
1908: Second Nullification Crisis Begins in Response to the Cancellation of the 1908 Election
1909: American Junto formed
1909: AMERICAN CIVIL WAR BEGINS, JUNTO vs COALITION vs SOUTHRON REPUBLIC vs VARIOUS MINOR FACTIONS
JUNTO
1909-1911: President Nelson A. Miles of Massachusetts† (Union)
1911: Miles is assassinated by a Coalition sharpshooter while inspecting the front lines in Missouri
April 1911- June 1911: General Leonard Wood of Massachusetts* (Union)
1911: General Wood is removed from leadership after losing St. Louis
June 1911-July 1911: General John J. Pershing of New York† (Union)
1911: Pershing is killed by his own men outside Springfield, Bullard gains leadership
July 1911-October 1911: General Robert L. Bullard of Alabama† (Union)
1911: Bullard is killed by an unknown assailant, (presumed to be another Junto member) the Junto "agrees" to forgo appointing a successor [Couldn't come to a decision]
1911-1912: "Collective Leadership"
1912: The Leavenworth Clique Mutiny allows Coalition Forces to besiege Washington, Junto dissolved, War ends
COALITION
1909: First San Francisco Congress declares the formation of the Coalition and intent to depose the Junto
1909-1912: Governor Jack Chaney of Sacramento, Governor James Ferguson of Texas, Former Governor T.J. Roosevelt of New York
SOUTHRON REPUBLIC
1909: Terminus Convention declares independence and appoints Furnifold Simmons President until elections could be held
1909-1912: Senator Furnifold Simmons of North Carolina (Southron)
MINOR FACTIONS
Army for the Liberation of the Canadas
Independence of the Canadian Republics restored
National American Indian Union
Republic of Sequoyah is declared
Republic of Acadiana
Cajun Insurgency continues into the 1910s
Free Mexican Army
Eventually defeated by the Texarkana Clique
1912: JUNTO DEFEATED, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ENDS, SECOND CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION CALLED
1912-1913: Presidency Vacant, Coalition Triumvirate collectively Acting President
1913: Following the failure of the Second Constitutional Convention, United States de facto dissolves, Interconstitutional Era Begins
The American Civil War began following the cancellation of the 1908 Election by American Dictator Nelson Miles. The dominant Union Party had been in power since its creation in 1870 and had become dictatorial in the 1890s. International Observers stated that if the election had been legitimate, Miles easily would have lost, but the election was extremely corrupt, with rampant ballot ‘disappearances’. This culminated in the arrest and murder of Anti-Reelectionist candidate Joseph Cannon which triggered the 1908 Nullification Crisis.
The Nullification Crisis led to a Junto being created by the President compromising of two Generals, one Admiral, the President, Vice President, the Secretaries of State, War, Army, and Navy, as well as the commander of the Liberty Leagues, the Union Party Militia. Opposing the Junto was the Coalition of Freedom, formed following the First San Francisco Congress, and the [Second] Southron Republic, declared during the Terminus Convention.
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1997- 2005
43.pete Duel Republican Jack kemp
2005- 20013.
44. Kriss Kristopherson Democratic John Mcainn
2013-
45. Michael Steele Republican Martin o'Malley
43.Never became a actor in this timeline.geaduated medical school elected to Congress then becomes Governor of New York.defeats William Jefferson Clinton in his election bid.
44.Never becomes singer in this timeline.leaves military after 6 years disgruntled because of Vietnam. Does some time in peace corps elected to u.s. Senate california 2 terms.
43.pete Duel Republican Jack kemp
2005- 20013.
44. Kriss Kristopherson Democratic John Mcainn
2013-
45. Michael Steele Republican Martin o'Malley
43.Never became a actor in this timeline.geaduated medical school elected to Congress then becomes Governor of New York.defeats William Jefferson Clinton in his election bid.
44.Never becomes singer in this timeline.leaves military after 6 years disgruntled because of Vietnam. Does some time in peace corps elected to u.s. Senate california 2 terms.
Things go a bit different in Florida, and we get a UTOPIA
2001 - 2004: Vice President Al Gore / Senator Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2000 def: Governor George W. Bush / Fmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (Republican)
2004 - 2005: President Al Gore (Democrat) / Vice President Joe Lieberman (Independent)
2005 - 2009: President Al Gore / Senator Bob Graham (Democrat)
2004 def: Senator John McCain / Vice President Joe Lieberman (Republican)
2009 - 2017: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger / Governor Charlie Crist (Republican)
2008 def: Senator Hillary Clinton / Fmr. NATO Commander Wesley Clark (Democrat), Activist Ralph Nader / Mayor Matt Gonzalez (Green)
2012 def: Governor Andrew Cuomo / Senator Ted Strickland (Democrat), Representative Ron Paul / Fmr. Governor Jesse Ventura (Libertarian)
2017 - 20__: Senator Bernie Sanders / Senator Jennifer Granholm (Democrat)
2016 def: Governor Chris Christie / Representative Connie Mack IV (Republican), Fmr. Secretary of Commerce Micheal Bloomberg / Senator Greg Orman (Independent)
2020 def: Governor Artur Davis / Businesswoman Meg Whitman (Republican)
2001 - 2004: Vice President Al Gore / Senator Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2000 def: Governor George W. Bush / Fmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (Republican)
2004 - 2005: President Al Gore (Democrat) / Vice President Joe Lieberman (Independent)
2005 - 2009: President Al Gore / Senator Bob Graham (Democrat)
2004 def: Senator John McCain / Vice President Joe Lieberman (Republican)
2009 - 2017: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger / Governor Charlie Crist (Republican)
2008 def: Senator Hillary Clinton / Fmr. NATO Commander Wesley Clark (Democrat), Activist Ralph Nader / Mayor Matt Gonzalez (Green)
2012 def: Governor Andrew Cuomo / Senator Ted Strickland (Democrat), Representative Ron Paul / Fmr. Governor Jesse Ventura (Libertarian)
2017 - 20__: Senator Bernie Sanders / Senator Jennifer Granholm (Democrat)
2016 def: Governor Chris Christie / Representative Connie Mack IV (Republican), Fmr. Secretary of Commerce Micheal Bloomberg / Senator Greg Orman (Independent)
2020 def: Governor Artur Davis / Businesswoman Meg Whitman (Republican)
The basic premise here is that things go a tad-bit different in Florida a few days before the election, and as a result Gore wins the state and the presidency. This TL is not a utopia because we get better presidents, but because the POD is after my birth, yet before the conception of most of you bozos.
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