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Lists of Heads of Government and Heads of State
- Thread starter Mumby
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He really did walk so Sebastian Kurz could run.
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1993 - 1998: Kim Young-sam (Democratic Liberal)
1992 def. Kim Dae-jung (Democratic), Chung Ju-yung (Unification National)
1998 - 2003: Lee Ki-taek (Democratic)
1997 def. Lee Hong-koo (New Korea), Kim Jong-pil (Liberal Union)
2003 - 2006: Chung Mong-joon (New Korea)
2002 def. Goh Kun (Democratic), Yu Jong-geun (New Politics)
2006 - 2008: Chung Mong-joon (Independent)
2008 - 2013: Roh Moo-hyun (Democratic)
2007 def. Lee In-je (New Korea), Sohn Hak-kyu (People’s)
A small list based on a very distinct Mid 90s possibility for Korean politics, Kim Dae-jung leaving it and Lee Ki-taek taking his place as the leading opposition Democratic politician. Whilst Lee Ki-taek was also a long running opposition politician and democracy activist, his time in government would be more of the moderate strain than Kim Dae-jung’s otl, no Sunshine Policy is a given and Ki-taek spends most of his time dealing with the aftermath of the 1997 Asian Economic Crisis.
Still with the Democratic Party being fairly united, moderate Korean Liberalism is certainly more successful as Lee is able to govern with a majority early on in his Presidency after the 1996 Legislative Elections and then after 2000 he’s able to form a coalition with the Neoliberal Lee In-je’s New People party. Still there is tension between the Taek’s faction, Dae-jung’s faction and the other scattered Reformists in between which come ahead after the 2000 election.
The hope that 2002 Presidential election will see a Dae-jung protege become the lead candidate, but there candidate Yu Jong-geun, a Governor from Jeonbuk State within Jeolla is accused of bribery and instead the Democratic nomination goes to Goh Kun, former Prime Minister and Mayor of Seoul who was formerly member of the Democratic Justice party, the official party of the Military Regime. As a result, Yu Jong-guen and the other Dae-Jung protégés, split off and form the New Politics Party which proclaims will bring true Liberal politics to Korea. Meanwhile the New Korea Party, desperate for a popular candidate who doesn’t have the stink of former Military regime or Young-sam’s government reach out to Independent politicians, billionaire and Hyundai heir, Chung Mong-joon. Initially considering an independent run, Mong-joon is persuaded to run under the New Korea banner after seeing the increasingly regionalist political squabbling between the Democratic and New Politics parties, and worried that the New Korea party would go down the same road, Mong-joon wins on a platform of unity and moderation.
Whilst popular and initially working well with the New Korea party, quickly attitudes sour between the two entities, with New Korea’s increasingly conservative views on policy and Mong-joon’s continued independence from said party leading to clashes. In many respects, Mong-joon is seen as a continuation of the Lee Ki-taek government, which angers his supposed erstwhile supporters who increasingly reference his former mental health issues and Hyundai’s corruption problems. Eventually Mong-joon becomes an independent, supporting a series of opposition candidates or fellow moderates during the 2006 local elections, leading to further turmoil and chaos as Mong-joon oversees a series of independent governments.
When 2007 comes, the opposition have finally managed to gather around a candidate, former human rights lawyer and former Mayor of Busan, Roh Moo-hyun, who offers a Third Way, Social Liberal approach to politics. Whilst his time as Mayor of Busan is mixed, resigned amid corruption allegations, he’s able to rebuild himself as a popular politician of the people. Meanwhile the New Korea party after a turbulent primary elects political gadfly Lee In-je, who runs a Neoliberal Right Wing Populist campaign. As a result, Sohn Hak-kyu, Governor of Gyeonggi and leader of the Centrist People’s party, decides to run in the election.
The independent campaign of Sohn cuts into both Lee’s and Roh’s support, particularly with the outgoing President endorsing him, but in the end, Roh’s Centre Left campaign and ideals of participatory democracy is amiable to the 586 generations who are increasingly becoming prominent within Korean society. So Roh wins, whilst Lee In-je only narrowly defeats Sohn to second by a slim margin. With the Korea politics becoming increasingly divided amongst the Left, Right and Centre, the dawn of the next decade of the 2000s seems ready to bring about great change, for better or worse.
1992 def. Kim Dae-jung (Democratic), Chung Ju-yung (Unification National)
1998 - 2003: Lee Ki-taek (Democratic)
1997 def. Lee Hong-koo (New Korea), Kim Jong-pil (Liberal Union)
2003 - 2006: Chung Mong-joon (New Korea)
2002 def. Goh Kun (Democratic), Yu Jong-geun (New Politics)
2006 - 2008: Chung Mong-joon (Independent)
2008 - 2013: Roh Moo-hyun (Democratic)
2007 def. Lee In-je (New Korea), Sohn Hak-kyu (People’s)
A small list based on a very distinct Mid 90s possibility for Korean politics, Kim Dae-jung leaving it and Lee Ki-taek taking his place as the leading opposition Democratic politician. Whilst Lee Ki-taek was also a long running opposition politician and democracy activist, his time in government would be more of the moderate strain than Kim Dae-jung’s otl, no Sunshine Policy is a given and Ki-taek spends most of his time dealing with the aftermath of the 1997 Asian Economic Crisis.
Still with the Democratic Party being fairly united, moderate Korean Liberalism is certainly more successful as Lee is able to govern with a majority early on in his Presidency after the 1996 Legislative Elections and then after 2000 he’s able to form a coalition with the Neoliberal Lee In-je’s New People party. Still there is tension between the Taek’s faction, Dae-jung’s faction and the other scattered Reformists in between which come ahead after the 2000 election.
The hope that 2002 Presidential election will see a Dae-jung protege become the lead candidate, but there candidate Yu Jong-geun, a Governor from Jeonbuk State within Jeolla is accused of bribery and instead the Democratic nomination goes to Goh Kun, former Prime Minister and Mayor of Seoul who was formerly member of the Democratic Justice party, the official party of the Military Regime. As a result, Yu Jong-guen and the other Dae-Jung protégés, split off and form the New Politics Party which proclaims will bring true Liberal politics to Korea. Meanwhile the New Korea Party, desperate for a popular candidate who doesn’t have the stink of former Military regime or Young-sam’s government reach out to Independent politicians, billionaire and Hyundai heir, Chung Mong-joon. Initially considering an independent run, Mong-joon is persuaded to run under the New Korea banner after seeing the increasingly regionalist political squabbling between the Democratic and New Politics parties, and worried that the New Korea party would go down the same road, Mong-joon wins on a platform of unity and moderation.
Whilst popular and initially working well with the New Korea party, quickly attitudes sour between the two entities, with New Korea’s increasingly conservative views on policy and Mong-joon’s continued independence from said party leading to clashes. In many respects, Mong-joon is seen as a continuation of the Lee Ki-taek government, which angers his supposed erstwhile supporters who increasingly reference his former mental health issues and Hyundai’s corruption problems. Eventually Mong-joon becomes an independent, supporting a series of opposition candidates or fellow moderates during the 2006 local elections, leading to further turmoil and chaos as Mong-joon oversees a series of independent governments.
When 2007 comes, the opposition have finally managed to gather around a candidate, former human rights lawyer and former Mayor of Busan, Roh Moo-hyun, who offers a Third Way, Social Liberal approach to politics. Whilst his time as Mayor of Busan is mixed, resigned amid corruption allegations, he’s able to rebuild himself as a popular politician of the people. Meanwhile the New Korea party after a turbulent primary elects political gadfly Lee In-je, who runs a Neoliberal Right Wing Populist campaign. As a result, Sohn Hak-kyu, Governor of Gyeonggi and leader of the Centrist People’s party, decides to run in the election.
The independent campaign of Sohn cuts into both Lee’s and Roh’s support, particularly with the outgoing President endorsing him, but in the end, Roh’s Centre Left campaign and ideals of participatory democracy is amiable to the 586 generations who are increasingly becoming prominent within Korean society. So Roh wins, whilst Lee In-je only narrowly defeats Sohn to second by a slim margin. With the Korea politics becoming increasingly divided amongst the Left, Right and Centre, the dawn of the next decade of the 2000s seems ready to bring about great change, for better or worse.
Further thoughts are that Roh Moo-Hyun is relatively more successful here in his time in office, whilst he does still have a poor relationship with the Right Wing parties of Korea, he struggles on the international field and he’s more moderate than he campaigned as, some progressive reforms and reach out to Trade Unions and similar organisations, Korea has a healthy press and his economic policies are less poor. He’s leaves office, with decent approval ratings. He’s followed by either a figure like Kim Doo-kwan who is forced out early due to opposition pushing for impeachment amid corruption scandals/foreign policy problems etc. The People’s Party has become the main Centre-Right party, and forms the People Power coalition as opposition, and runs Ahn Cheol-soo as there main candidate. Cheol-soo wins as a moderate but increasingly shifts Rightward during his time in office. He’s eventually followed by a female politician like Park Young-sun. There’s an alternative version where Sohn Hak-ku follows Roh and there he’s followed by a couple of Liberals and then a Conservative but anyway. North Korea is different but I’ve not considered how.
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1949-1953: Tom Dewey (Republican)
1944 def. (with Charles A. Halleck) James Farley (Democratic)
1948 def. (with Charles A. Halleck) James Farley (Democratic), Storm Thurmond (Dixie)
1953-1961: James Gavin (Democratic)
1952 def. (with Lyndon B. Johnson) Harold Stassen (Republican)
1956 def. (with Lyndon B. Johnson) Harold Stassen (Republican)
1961-1963: Philip Willkie (Republican) ✝
1960 def. (with Robert B. Anderson) Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1963-1969: Robert B. Anderson (Republican)
1964 def. (with Walter Judd) Walter Reuther (Democratic)
1969-1973: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) ✝
1968 def. (with Otto Kerner Jr.) Walter Judd (Republican), Jacob Javits (Independent Republican)
1972 def. (with Otto Kerner Jr.) Mark Hatfield (Republican)
1973-1977: G. Mennen Williams (Democratic)
1977-1981: John Chafee (Republican)
1976 def. (with Howard Baker) G. Mennen Williams (Democratic)
1981-1989: Jesse Unruh (Democratic)
1980 def. (with Joe Biden) John Chafee (Republican), Mike Gravel (Independent)
1984 def. (with Joe Biden) Howard Baker (Republican)
1989-1993: Joe Biden (Democratic)
1988 def. (with Lee Hamilton) Al D'Amato (Republican)
1993-2001: Mike Curb (Republican)
1992 def. (with Connie Mack III) Joe Biden (Democratic), Bill Gates (Independent)
1996 def. (with Connie Mack III) Walter Mondale (Democratic), Bill Gates (Progress)
2001-2009: Rick Perry (Democratic)
2000 def. (with Leon Panetta) Connie Mack III (Republican)
2004 def. (with Leon Panetta) John McCain (Republican)
1944 def. (with Charles A. Halleck) James Farley (Democratic)
1948 def. (with Charles A. Halleck) James Farley (Democratic), Storm Thurmond (Dixie)
1953-1961: James Gavin (Democratic)
1952 def. (with Lyndon B. Johnson) Harold Stassen (Republican)
1956 def. (with Lyndon B. Johnson) Harold Stassen (Republican)
1961-1963: Philip Willkie (Republican) ✝
1960 def. (with Robert B. Anderson) Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1963-1969: Robert B. Anderson (Republican)
1964 def. (with Walter Judd) Walter Reuther (Democratic)
1969-1973: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) ✝
1968 def. (with Otto Kerner Jr.) Walter Judd (Republican), Jacob Javits (Independent Republican)
1972 def. (with Otto Kerner Jr.) Mark Hatfield (Republican)
1973-1977: G. Mennen Williams (Democratic)
1977-1981: John Chafee (Republican)
1976 def. (with Howard Baker) G. Mennen Williams (Democratic)
1981-1989: Jesse Unruh (Democratic)
1980 def. (with Joe Biden) John Chafee (Republican), Mike Gravel (Independent)
1984 def. (with Joe Biden) Howard Baker (Republican)
1989-1993: Joe Biden (Democratic)
1988 def. (with Lee Hamilton) Al D'Amato (Republican)
1993-2001: Mike Curb (Republican)
1992 def. (with Connie Mack III) Joe Biden (Democratic), Bill Gates (Independent)
1996 def. (with Connie Mack III) Walter Mondale (Democratic), Bill Gates (Progress)
2001-2009: Rick Perry (Democratic)
2000 def. (with Leon Panetta) Connie Mack III (Republican)
2004 def. (with Leon Panetta) John McCain (Republican)
2017 - 2027: Emmanuel Macron (Renaissance)
2025: Marine Le Pen found guilty of embezzling EU funds, barred from running in next presidential elections. Le Pen appeals court’s decision.
2025: Bayrou government falls over budget crisis, Macron appoints Lecornu as new PM, as well as calling new parliamentary elections.
2026: NFP agrees to run again, despite disagreements between LFI and PS, with the two parties agreeing on running an equal amount of candidates. RN’s main campaign platform is making Le Pen PM, and rescinding her political ban, as they await results of appeal.
2026 Parliamentary Election: Lucie Castets (NFP), Marine Le Pen (RN), Sébastien Lecornu (Ensemble), Bruno Retailleau (LR)
2026: RN and LR become main winners of snap elections, both making gains, while LR rebels mostly rejoin the party. Pro-Macron alliance considered biggest loser, while NFP also suffers minor losses, especially to LFI MPs, as Republican coalition further breaks down.
2026: Emmanuel Macron appoints Hollande’s former PM Bernard Cazeneuve as Prime Minister after breakdown of New Popular Front, and Socialists, Greens and Communists agreeing to a coalition with Ensemble and allies.
2026: Cazeneuve resigns over budget crisis, Tubiana appointed as new PM while Macron announces that Presidential elections will be held two months earlier.
2026: French left fails to run joint candidate, as both Mélenchon of LFI and Glucksmann of PS-PP announce candidacies.
2027: Édouard Philippe defeats rivals, most notably Gabriel Attal, in centrist primaries. Reinassance left, led by Sacha Houlié, announce support for Glucksmann.
2027 - 2032: Édouard Philippe (Horizons)
2027 def. Jordan Bardella (RN), Jean-Luc Mélenchon (LFI), Bruno Retailleau (LR), Raphaël Glucksmann (PS-PP), Éric Zemmour (R!)
2027: Bardella comes in comfortable first place in first election, while Philippe barely usurps Mélenchon to second place. Philippe goes on to narrowly defeat Bardella, with Mélenchon refusing to endorse him and several major Republicans supporting Bardella instead.
2027: Aurora Borgé appointed as PM to head broad coalition from anti-RN Republicans to Communists.
2028: Laurent Wauquiez elected as President of Les Republicains, and enters party into an alliance with RN, leading to collapse of government, though elections are delayed until 2029 for Marine Le Pen to run.
2029 Parliamentary Election: Jordan Bardella (RN-LR), collective (NFP), Christian Estrosi (UCD), Mathilde Panot (LFI)
2029: Start of cohabitation as right wins majority. Philippe refuses to appoint Le Pen or Bardella as PM, instead choosing Éric Ciotti.
2031: French businessman Vincent Bolloré appointed as PM to head coaliton between President Philippe’s Horizons and allies, and RN-LR, centrist parties leave UCD alliance.
2031: President Philippe announces decision to not run for re-election as he was trailing in fourth place behind Le Pen, the candidate of the left, and Fmr. President Macron.
2031: François Ruffin wins primaries to become joint candidate of NFP and other left-wing allies. LFI endorses candidacy after pro-Ruffin candidate wins party leadership following resignation of Mélenchon.
2032 - 0000: François Ruffin (LFI-Pd)
2032 def. Marine Le Pen (RN), Emmanuel Macron (EM), Laurent Wauquiez (LR), Sacha Houlié (SD)
2033: President Ruffin announces embargoes against United States after President Trump Jr. announces plans of ‘taking’ Saint Pierre and Miquelon
2024 - 2028: Keir Starmer (Labour)
2024 (Majority) def. Rishi Sunak (Conservative), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat), Nigel Farage (Reform)
2025: Pat McFadden replaces Rachel Reeves as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
2026: Robert Jenrick elected to replace Kami Badenoch as leader of the Conservative Party, defeating more centrist opponents.
2028: Starmer announces snap elections one year ahead of schedule, hoping to catch Conservatives and Reform Party by surprise.
2028: Corbyn and other independents form alliance with Green Party.
2028 - 2028: Nigel Farage (Reform)
2028 (Coalition) def. Keir Starmer (Labour), Robert Jenrick (Conservative), Kate Forbes (SNP), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat), Carla Denyer & Adrian Ramsay - Jeremy Corbyn (Greens - Independents 4 Corbyn)
2028 - 2033: Nigel Farage (Conservative)
2028: PM Farage leaves Reform UK in order to run for Conservative Party leadership.
2028 Conservative Party Members’ vote: Nigel Farage (51,9%), Boris Johnson (48,1%)
2029: Reform Party officially disbands, with members joining Conservative Party. Anti-Farage MPs form the Nation Party.
2029: Ian Byrne defeats Andy Burnham, Wes Streeting, and others for Labour Party Leadership election.
2030: Jeremy Corbyn and allies welcomed back into party. MPs affiliated with Labour Right form Progressive Party
2032: Several Cabinet Ministers forced to resign after appearance at campaign event for Presidential candidacy of Donald Trump Jr.
2033: Electoral alliance formed between Liberal Democrats and Conservative and Labour rebels.
2033 - 0000: Ian Byrne (Labour)
2033 (Majority) def. Nigel Farage (Conservative), several (Liberal Democrats - Nation - Progressive), Rupert Lowe (Homeland)
2025 - 2029: Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU-SPD Coalition)
2025 (Coalition) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Olaf Scholz (SPD), Robert Habeck (Greens), Jan van Aken & Heidi Reichinnek (Left)
2027: Left MP Ferat Koçak imprisoned and removed as MP for role in Pro-Palestine riots following Israeli peace agreement.
2029 - 2032: Boris Pistorius (SPD-CDU/CSU-Greens Coalition)
2029 (Coalition) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU), Jan van Aken & Heidi Reichinnek (Left), Felix Banaszak & Katharina Dröge (Greens)
2030: Failed coup attempt by far-right leads to shootout between coupists and police forces. Several days of rioting would follow.
2031: German government agrees to send ‘peacekeepers’ to Gaza to aid American forces.
2032: Coalition falls following decision of Saxony CDU to accept confidence by AfD.
2032 - 2033: Boris Pistorius (SPD-Greens Minority Coalition)
2032: Early elections called following withdrawal of CDU/CSU from coalition over disagreements on Saxony.
2032: Fmr. President Ilse Aigner picked as Chancellor candidate by CDU/CSU, with move criticized by most other parties due to ceremonial role of President.
2033 - 2033: Jens Spahn (CDU/CSU Minority with AfD confidence)
2032 (Minority) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Boris Pistorius (SPD), Heidi Reichinnek (Left), Ilse Aigner (CDU/CSU), Robert Habeck (Greens)
2033: Union and AfD reach agreement for former to lead government, despite finishing in fourth. Spahn picked as candidate by Union after Aigner refused to head agreement.
2032 - 2033: Boris Pistorius (SPD-Greens Minority Coalition with CDU/CSU and Left confidence)
2033: Spahn government following ‘Steglitz Uprising’. Caretaker government headed by Pistorius announces new elections.
2033 - 0000: Heidi Reichinek (Left-SPD-Greens Coalition)
2033 (Coalition) def. Björn Hocke (AfD), Boris Pistorius (SPD), Felix Banaszak (Greens), Hendrick Wüst (CDU/CSU)
2022 - 2031: Giorgia Meloni (Brothers of Italy - Centre-right)
2022 (Centre-right Coalition) def. Enrico Letta (Democratic Party - Centre-left), Giuseppe Conte (Five Star Movement), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia - Centre-right), Carlo Calenda (Action - Italia Viva)
2027 (Centre-right Minority Coalition) def. Elly Schlein (Democratic Party - Centre-left), Giuseppe Conte (Five Star Movement - Centre-left), Antonio Tajani (Forza Italia - Centre-right), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Angelo Bonelli & Nicola Fratoianni (Greens and Left - Centre-left)
2031: National Unity government headed by Fmr. Minister Giovanni Tria following disagreements between Meloni and Salvini.
2031 - 2032: Giovanni Tria (Independent)
2032 - 0000: Elly Schlein (Democratic Party)
2032 (Centre-left Majority Coalition) def. Giorgia Meloni (Brothers of Italy - Centre-right), Alessandra Todde (Five Star Movement - Centre-left), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Angelo Bonelli & Ilaria Salis (Greens and Left - Centre-left), Deborah Bergamini (Forza Italia - Centre-right)
2025: Marine Le Pen found guilty of embezzling EU funds, barred from running in next presidential elections. Le Pen appeals court’s decision.
2025: Bayrou government falls over budget crisis, Macron appoints Lecornu as new PM, as well as calling new parliamentary elections.
2026: NFP agrees to run again, despite disagreements between LFI and PS, with the two parties agreeing on running an equal amount of candidates. RN’s main campaign platform is making Le Pen PM, and rescinding her political ban, as they await results of appeal.
2026 Parliamentary Election: Lucie Castets (NFP), Marine Le Pen (RN), Sébastien Lecornu (Ensemble), Bruno Retailleau (LR)
2026: RN and LR become main winners of snap elections, both making gains, while LR rebels mostly rejoin the party. Pro-Macron alliance considered biggest loser, while NFP also suffers minor losses, especially to LFI MPs, as Republican coalition further breaks down.
2026: Emmanuel Macron appoints Hollande’s former PM Bernard Cazeneuve as Prime Minister after breakdown of New Popular Front, and Socialists, Greens and Communists agreeing to a coalition with Ensemble and allies.
2026: Cazeneuve resigns over budget crisis, Tubiana appointed as new PM while Macron announces that Presidential elections will be held two months earlier.
2026: French left fails to run joint candidate, as both Mélenchon of LFI and Glucksmann of PS-PP announce candidacies.
2027: Édouard Philippe defeats rivals, most notably Gabriel Attal, in centrist primaries. Reinassance left, led by Sacha Houlié, announce support for Glucksmann.
2027 - 2032: Édouard Philippe (Horizons)
2027 def. Jordan Bardella (RN), Jean-Luc Mélenchon (LFI), Bruno Retailleau (LR), Raphaël Glucksmann (PS-PP), Éric Zemmour (R!)
2027: Bardella comes in comfortable first place in first election, while Philippe barely usurps Mélenchon to second place. Philippe goes on to narrowly defeat Bardella, with Mélenchon refusing to endorse him and several major Republicans supporting Bardella instead.
2027: Aurora Borgé appointed as PM to head broad coalition from anti-RN Republicans to Communists.
2028: Laurent Wauquiez elected as President of Les Republicains, and enters party into an alliance with RN, leading to collapse of government, though elections are delayed until 2029 for Marine Le Pen to run.
2029 Parliamentary Election: Jordan Bardella (RN-LR), collective (NFP), Christian Estrosi (UCD), Mathilde Panot (LFI)
2029: Start of cohabitation as right wins majority. Philippe refuses to appoint Le Pen or Bardella as PM, instead choosing Éric Ciotti.
2031: French businessman Vincent Bolloré appointed as PM to head coaliton between President Philippe’s Horizons and allies, and RN-LR, centrist parties leave UCD alliance.
2031: President Philippe announces decision to not run for re-election as he was trailing in fourth place behind Le Pen, the candidate of the left, and Fmr. President Macron.
2031: François Ruffin wins primaries to become joint candidate of NFP and other left-wing allies. LFI endorses candidacy after pro-Ruffin candidate wins party leadership following resignation of Mélenchon.
2032 - 0000: François Ruffin (LFI-Pd)
2032 def. Marine Le Pen (RN), Emmanuel Macron (EM), Laurent Wauquiez (LR), Sacha Houlié (SD)
2033: President Ruffin announces embargoes against United States after President Trump Jr. announces plans of ‘taking’ Saint Pierre and Miquelon
2024 - 2028: Keir Starmer (Labour)
2024 (Majority) def. Rishi Sunak (Conservative), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat), Nigel Farage (Reform)
2025: Pat McFadden replaces Rachel Reeves as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
2026: Robert Jenrick elected to replace Kami Badenoch as leader of the Conservative Party, defeating more centrist opponents.
2028: Starmer announces snap elections one year ahead of schedule, hoping to catch Conservatives and Reform Party by surprise.
2028: Corbyn and other independents form alliance with Green Party.
2028 - 2028: Nigel Farage (Reform)
2028 (Coalition) def. Keir Starmer (Labour), Robert Jenrick (Conservative), Kate Forbes (SNP), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat), Carla Denyer & Adrian Ramsay - Jeremy Corbyn (Greens - Independents 4 Corbyn)
2028 - 2033: Nigel Farage (Conservative)
2028: PM Farage leaves Reform UK in order to run for Conservative Party leadership.
2028 Conservative Party Members’ vote: Nigel Farage (51,9%), Boris Johnson (48,1%)
2029: Reform Party officially disbands, with members joining Conservative Party. Anti-Farage MPs form the Nation Party.
2029: Ian Byrne defeats Andy Burnham, Wes Streeting, and others for Labour Party Leadership election.
2030: Jeremy Corbyn and allies welcomed back into party. MPs affiliated with Labour Right form Progressive Party
2032: Several Cabinet Ministers forced to resign after appearance at campaign event for Presidential candidacy of Donald Trump Jr.
2033: Electoral alliance formed between Liberal Democrats and Conservative and Labour rebels.
2033 - 0000: Ian Byrne (Labour)
2033 (Majority) def. Nigel Farage (Conservative), several (Liberal Democrats - Nation - Progressive), Rupert Lowe (Homeland)
2025 - 2029: Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU-SPD Coalition)
2025 (Coalition) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Olaf Scholz (SPD), Robert Habeck (Greens), Jan van Aken & Heidi Reichinnek (Left)
2027: Left MP Ferat Koçak imprisoned and removed as MP for role in Pro-Palestine riots following Israeli peace agreement.
2029 - 2032: Boris Pistorius (SPD-CDU/CSU-Greens Coalition)
2029 (Coalition) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU), Jan van Aken & Heidi Reichinnek (Left), Felix Banaszak & Katharina Dröge (Greens)
2030: Failed coup attempt by far-right leads to shootout between coupists and police forces. Several days of rioting would follow.
2031: German government agrees to send ‘peacekeepers’ to Gaza to aid American forces.
2032: Coalition falls following decision of Saxony CDU to accept confidence by AfD.
2032 - 2033: Boris Pistorius (SPD-Greens Minority Coalition)
2032: Early elections called following withdrawal of CDU/CSU from coalition over disagreements on Saxony.
2032: Fmr. President Ilse Aigner picked as Chancellor candidate by CDU/CSU, with move criticized by most other parties due to ceremonial role of President.
2033 - 2033: Jens Spahn (CDU/CSU Minority with AfD confidence)
2032 (Minority) def. Alice Weidel (AfD), Boris Pistorius (SPD), Heidi Reichinnek (Left), Ilse Aigner (CDU/CSU), Robert Habeck (Greens)
2033: Union and AfD reach agreement for former to lead government, despite finishing in fourth. Spahn picked as candidate by Union after Aigner refused to head agreement.
2032 - 2033: Boris Pistorius (SPD-Greens Minority Coalition with CDU/CSU and Left confidence)
2033: Spahn government following ‘Steglitz Uprising’. Caretaker government headed by Pistorius announces new elections.
2033 - 0000: Heidi Reichinek (Left-SPD-Greens Coalition)
2033 (Coalition) def. Björn Hocke (AfD), Boris Pistorius (SPD), Felix Banaszak (Greens), Hendrick Wüst (CDU/CSU)
2022 - 2031: Giorgia Meloni (Brothers of Italy - Centre-right)
2022 (Centre-right Coalition) def. Enrico Letta (Democratic Party - Centre-left), Giuseppe Conte (Five Star Movement), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia - Centre-right), Carlo Calenda (Action - Italia Viva)
2027 (Centre-right Minority Coalition) def. Elly Schlein (Democratic Party - Centre-left), Giuseppe Conte (Five Star Movement - Centre-left), Antonio Tajani (Forza Italia - Centre-right), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Angelo Bonelli & Nicola Fratoianni (Greens and Left - Centre-left)
2031: National Unity government headed by Fmr. Minister Giovanni Tria following disagreements between Meloni and Salvini.
2031 - 2032: Giovanni Tria (Independent)
2032 - 0000: Elly Schlein (Democratic Party)
2032 (Centre-left Majority Coalition) def. Giorgia Meloni (Brothers of Italy - Centre-right), Alessandra Todde (Five Star Movement - Centre-left), Matteo Salvini (Lega - Centre-right), Angelo Bonelli & Ilaria Salis (Greens and Left - Centre-left), Deborah Bergamini (Forza Italia - Centre-right)
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hilarious that of all countries, italy is the one with the most stable politics. complete opposite of just 10 years ago
I think the most unrealistic part of this is French centrists and leftists successfully holding joint primaries that most of them respect. It's great work, don't get me wrong, but neither camp has had a lot of success with that before!
Oh, and Macron categorically can't run again without constitutional change, even in 2032.
Italy was honestly an afterthought, and I like the current centre-left coalition of progressive establishment politics, harmless kooky populists, and genuine leftists that I just wanted to find a way to keep it together until 2032.
I could’ve sworn I read something that he could, but I’m sure you’re right.
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Kings of England
1422-1487: Henry VI (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1487-1516: Edward IV (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1516-1528: Henry VII (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1528-1582: Henry VIII (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1582-1588: Edward V (House of Plantagenet-York)
1588-1602: George I (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
1602-1604: Richard III (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
Kings and Queens of the Anglo-Irish Commonwealth
1604-1610: Mary (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
1604-1633: Charles (House of Habsburg) also King of Spain
1633-1645: Philip (House of Habsburg) also King of Spain
1646-1648: Boris (House of Godunov)
1650-1670: George II (House of Monck)
1670-1712: Richard IV (House of Cromwell)
1713-1716: James I (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1716-1723: William III (House of Cavendish)
1723-1740: James I (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1740-1742: William III (House of Cavendish)
1743-1764: James II (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1764-1798: William IV (House of Cavendish)
The Battle of Tewkesbury in 1471 delivered a final victory in the Yorkist Wars to Henry VI, with Edward the Usurper being summarily murdered in a chapel shortly after his capture. Henry VI, mentally and physically sick, lingered on his stabilised throne for a number of years afterwards, with the affairs of the realm being looked after by the Queen, Warwick and latterly his son, Edward. This son succeeded his father in 1487 and was followed by his own son and grandson. Henry VIII is probably the best-known of the later Lancastrian Kings, both for his role as 'Defender of the Faith' against the pernicious Protestant evangelists sweeping in from Germany, and also for having six wives. Each wife died tragically without delivering a surviving male heir, rendering Henry VIII a rather romantic figure as the last scion of his doomed house.
Lancastrian logic dictated that the throne could only descend through the male line as long as the Plantagenet dynasty survived, so upon Henry VIII's frustrated death the succession passed to the descendants of the Yorkists, whose attainders had been reversed after a generation of exile. Edward V, a great-grandson of Edward the Usurper, seized the throne as soon as Henry's body was cold, but was soon challenged by another faction. He had two strokes against him: firstly, there were credible rumours that Edward the Usurper had been a bigamist and his descendants were therefore illegitimate; even worse, Edward V had converted to the Reformed faith. His cousins, the descendants of the Usurper's brother and heirs of Warwick's lands, gathered supporters and launched the War of Religion against Edward, ultimately prevailing with the help of the heroic Spanish Armada.
The House of Warwick therefore took the stage, but they didn't last much longer: King George remained bereft of sons and his only heir was his uncle, Cardinal Richard of Warwick. The aged Cardinal-King inherited the throne as the last legitimate Plantagenet, and faced yet another succession crisis. He had a dilemma: should the throne go to George I's daughter, married to the King of Scotland, or to the Cardinal's closest female relative, his niece the Queen of Spain? Taking a leaf from Papal custom, the benevolent Richard III engineered an election. Under the new system, a joint Parliament of the gentry and nobility of the Kingdom of England and the Lordship of Ireland would elect the new monarch. He anticipated that it would be necessary only once, to choose the new dynasty, but Parliament didn't give up its newfound power so easily.
First they elected the Queen of Spain, who bade them crown her husband as co-monarch. Queen Mary died in childbirth, but Charles continued as King until his own death, followed by their son Philip. Upon Philip's death, Spain went to his younger half-brother from Charles' second marriage, but the English Parliament had no intention of becoming permanently ensconced into the Habsburg crown. They selected a younger brother of the all-conquering Russian Tsar, but as soon as King Boris arrived in London, Tsar Dmitri Godunov was killed outside Lublin and England was forced into an unexpected union with Russia. Boris returned to Moscow and was at length persuaded to abdicate the Anglo-Irish throne.
Now the gentry turned to one of their own: General George Monck, a hero in the fight against the Scots. George II fought a series of wars against the Protestant Dutch, with only moderate success, and was followed by another scion of a military family, Richard Cromwell. Richard IV's reign witnessed an outpouring of art and literature, turning the name of Cromwell into a byword for finery and lurid excess. He is also highly regarded in Ireland for beginning the Plantation of Ulster, an attempt to diversify the crops grown in that province. Which probably saved the island from over-dependence on the blight-prone potato.
After a long reign, Richard Cromwell died and the golden age of the Anglo-Irish Commonwealth died with him. A contested election, involving three different rival Parliaments all bribed by different European powers, gave rise to a series of conflicts which slotted into the major European wars of the time. First to the prize was French-backed James XI of Scotland, but the Swedes favoured a local magnate - and for the rest of the 18th century, power switched from one family to another. At some points, all of Britain was under a single monarch, but these wars progressively weakened the state to the extent that little opposition could be made when the European powers partitioned the Commonwealth between themselves.
Finally, in 1798, the last independent segment of England (a place known as 'Wales') was annexed, leaving Ulster as a Scottish possession, the rest of Ireland as a French colony, Southern England split between the Dutch and Prussians, and the old Danelaw - appropriately - in the hands of the Danes. This lasted only until the Emperor André Masséna gave his brother an artificial 'Anglian Kingdom', but normal service was resumed after he was deposed. Nationalist revolts in the 19th century failed in all regions except for Ireland, where a German princeling was set up as King until the Revolution of 1919. An English Republic was finally restored after the Five Years' War.
1422-1487: Henry VI (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1487-1516: Edward IV (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1516-1528: Henry VII (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1528-1582: Henry VIII (House of Plantagenet-Lancaster)
1582-1588: Edward V (House of Plantagenet-York)
1588-1602: George I (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
1602-1604: Richard III (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
Kings and Queens of the Anglo-Irish Commonwealth
1604-1610: Mary (House of Plantagenet-Warwick)
1604-1633: Charles (House of Habsburg) also King of Spain
1633-1645: Philip (House of Habsburg) also King of Spain
1646-1648: Boris (House of Godunov)
1650-1670: George II (House of Monck)
1670-1712: Richard IV (House of Cromwell)
1713-1716: James I (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1716-1723: William III (House of Cavendish)
1723-1740: James I (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1740-1742: William III (House of Cavendish)
1743-1764: James II (House of Stewart) also King of Scotland
1764-1798: William IV (House of Cavendish)
The Battle of Tewkesbury in 1471 delivered a final victory in the Yorkist Wars to Henry VI, with Edward the Usurper being summarily murdered in a chapel shortly after his capture. Henry VI, mentally and physically sick, lingered on his stabilised throne for a number of years afterwards, with the affairs of the realm being looked after by the Queen, Warwick and latterly his son, Edward. This son succeeded his father in 1487 and was followed by his own son and grandson. Henry VIII is probably the best-known of the later Lancastrian Kings, both for his role as 'Defender of the Faith' against the pernicious Protestant evangelists sweeping in from Germany, and also for having six wives. Each wife died tragically without delivering a surviving male heir, rendering Henry VIII a rather romantic figure as the last scion of his doomed house.
Lancastrian logic dictated that the throne could only descend through the male line as long as the Plantagenet dynasty survived, so upon Henry VIII's frustrated death the succession passed to the descendants of the Yorkists, whose attainders had been reversed after a generation of exile. Edward V, a great-grandson of Edward the Usurper, seized the throne as soon as Henry's body was cold, but was soon challenged by another faction. He had two strokes against him: firstly, there were credible rumours that Edward the Usurper had been a bigamist and his descendants were therefore illegitimate; even worse, Edward V had converted to the Reformed faith. His cousins, the descendants of the Usurper's brother and heirs of Warwick's lands, gathered supporters and launched the War of Religion against Edward, ultimately prevailing with the help of the heroic Spanish Armada.
The House of Warwick therefore took the stage, but they didn't last much longer: King George remained bereft of sons and his only heir was his uncle, Cardinal Richard of Warwick. The aged Cardinal-King inherited the throne as the last legitimate Plantagenet, and faced yet another succession crisis. He had a dilemma: should the throne go to George I's daughter, married to the King of Scotland, or to the Cardinal's closest female relative, his niece the Queen of Spain? Taking a leaf from Papal custom, the benevolent Richard III engineered an election. Under the new system, a joint Parliament of the gentry and nobility of the Kingdom of England and the Lordship of Ireland would elect the new monarch. He anticipated that it would be necessary only once, to choose the new dynasty, but Parliament didn't give up its newfound power so easily.
First they elected the Queen of Spain, who bade them crown her husband as co-monarch. Queen Mary died in childbirth, but Charles continued as King until his own death, followed by their son Philip. Upon Philip's death, Spain went to his younger half-brother from Charles' second marriage, but the English Parliament had no intention of becoming permanently ensconced into the Habsburg crown. They selected a younger brother of the all-conquering Russian Tsar, but as soon as King Boris arrived in London, Tsar Dmitri Godunov was killed outside Lublin and England was forced into an unexpected union with Russia. Boris returned to Moscow and was at length persuaded to abdicate the Anglo-Irish throne.
Now the gentry turned to one of their own: General George Monck, a hero in the fight against the Scots. George II fought a series of wars against the Protestant Dutch, with only moderate success, and was followed by another scion of a military family, Richard Cromwell. Richard IV's reign witnessed an outpouring of art and literature, turning the name of Cromwell into a byword for finery and lurid excess. He is also highly regarded in Ireland for beginning the Plantation of Ulster, an attempt to diversify the crops grown in that province. Which probably saved the island from over-dependence on the blight-prone potato.
After a long reign, Richard Cromwell died and the golden age of the Anglo-Irish Commonwealth died with him. A contested election, involving three different rival Parliaments all bribed by different European powers, gave rise to a series of conflicts which slotted into the major European wars of the time. First to the prize was French-backed James XI of Scotland, but the Swedes favoured a local magnate - and for the rest of the 18th century, power switched from one family to another. At some points, all of Britain was under a single monarch, but these wars progressively weakened the state to the extent that little opposition could be made when the European powers partitioned the Commonwealth between themselves.
Finally, in 1798, the last independent segment of England (a place known as 'Wales') was annexed, leaving Ulster as a Scottish possession, the rest of Ireland as a French colony, Southern England split between the Dutch and Prussians, and the old Danelaw - appropriately - in the hands of the Danes. This lasted only until the Emperor André Masséna gave his brother an artificial 'Anglian Kingdom', but normal service was resumed after he was deposed. Nationalist revolts in the 19th century failed in all regions except for Ireland, where a German princeling was set up as King until the Revolution of 1919. An English Republic was finally restored after the Five Years' War.
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Well-known member
1908-1914: H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1910 (Minority) def. Arthur Balfour (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1910 (Minority w/ Labour & IPP supply) def. Arthur Balfour (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1914-1917: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1914 (Minority w/ Labour & IPP supply) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1917-1922: Andrew Bonar Law† (Unionist)
1917 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Liberal); Ramsay MacDonald (Labour); John Dillon (IPP)
1922-1926: Stanley Baldwin (Unionist)
1922 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Liberal); J.R. Clynes (Labour)
1926-1929: Ramsay MacDonald (Lib-Lab)
1926 (Coalition w/ Liberal & Labour) def. Stanley Baldwin (Unionist); Rufus Isaacs, 1st Marquess of Reading (Liberal); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1929-1937: Winston Churchill (Liberal)
1931 (Majority w/ Lib-Lab) def. Austen Chamberlain (Unionist); J.R. Clynes (Labour);Ramsay MacDonald (Lib-Lab)
1937-1940: Neville Chamberlain† (Unionist)
1939 (Coalition w/ Liberal) def. Arthur Greenwood (Labour);Winston Churchill (Liberal)
1940-1944: Anthony Eden (Unionist)
1944-1945: David Lloyd George† (Liberal)
1944 (Majoirty) def. Anthony Eden (Unionist); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1945-1951: Harold Macmillan (Liberal)
1949 (Minority w/ Labour supply) def. Anthony Eden (Unionist); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1951-1953: Anthony Eden (Unionist)
1951 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Liberal); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1953-1956: Clement Attlee (Unionist)
1956-1965: Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist)
1956 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Liberal); Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1960 (Majority) def. Hugh Gaitskell (Labour); Gwylim Lloyd George (Liberal)
1965-1973: James Callaghan (Labour)
1965 (Majority) def. Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist); Megan Lloyd George (Liberal)
1970 (Majority) def. Enoch Powell (Conservative); Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1973-1978: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1975 (Coalition w/ Liberal) def. Enoch Powell (Unionist); Margaret Thatcher (Liberal)
1978-1985: Margaret Thatcher (Liberal, later Alliance)
1980 (Majority) def. William Whitelaw (Unionist); Tony Benn (Labour)
1985-1989: Edward Heath (Unionist)
1985 (Majority) def. Margaret Thatcher (Alliance); Tony Benn (Labour)
1989-1995: John Major (Unionist)
1990 (Majority) def. Denis Healey (Labour); David Owen (Alliance)
1995-2005: Gordon Brown (Labour)
1995 (Majority) def. John Major (Unionist); David Owen (Alliance)
2000 (Majority) def.Malcolm Rifkind (Unionist); Charles Kennedy (Alliance)
2005-2010: Theresa May (Unionist)
2005 (Coalition w/ Alliance) def. Gordon Brown (Labour); Charles Kennedy (Alliance)
2010-2016: Anthony Blair (Labour)
2010 (Majority) def. Theresa May (Unionist); Nick Clegg (Alliance)
2014 (Majority) def. William Hague (Unionist); Nick Clegg (Alliance)
2016-2018: Sir Keir Starmer (Labour)
2018-2023: Boris Johnson (Unionist)
2018 (Majority) def. Sir Keir Starmer (Labour); Sir Ed Davey (Alliance)
2022 (Majority) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour); Liz Truss (Alliance)
2022-2023: Rishi Sunak (Unionist)
2023-2024: David Cameron (Unionist)
2024-Present: Liz Truss (Alliance)
2024 (Majority) def. David Cameron (Unionist); Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
1910 (Minority) def. Arthur Balfour (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1910 (Minority w/ Labour & IPP supply) def. Arthur Balfour (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1914-1917: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1914 (Minority w/ Labour & IPP supply) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Unionist); John Redmond (IPP); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1917-1922: Andrew Bonar Law† (Unionist)
1917 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Liberal); Ramsay MacDonald (Labour); John Dillon (IPP)
1922-1926: Stanley Baldwin (Unionist)
1922 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Liberal); J.R. Clynes (Labour)
1926-1929: Ramsay MacDonald (Lib-Lab)
1926 (Coalition w/ Liberal & Labour) def. Stanley Baldwin (Unionist); Rufus Isaacs, 1st Marquess of Reading (Liberal); Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1929-1937: Winston Churchill (Liberal)
1931 (Majority w/ Lib-Lab) def. Austen Chamberlain (Unionist); J.R. Clynes (Labour);
1937-1940: Neville Chamberlain† (Unionist)
1939 (Coalition w/ Liberal) def. Arthur Greenwood (Labour);
1940-1944: Anthony Eden (Unionist)
1944-1945: David Lloyd George† (Liberal)
1944 (Majoirty) def. Anthony Eden (Unionist); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1945-1951: Harold Macmillan (Liberal)
1949 (Minority w/ Labour supply) def. Anthony Eden (Unionist); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1951-1953: Anthony Eden (Unionist)
1951 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Liberal); Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1953-1956: Clement Attlee (Unionist)
1956-1965: Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist)
1956 (Majority) def. Harold Macmillan (Liberal); Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1960 (Majority) def. Hugh Gaitskell (Labour); Gwylim Lloyd George (Liberal)
1965-1973: James Callaghan (Labour)
1965 (Majority) def. Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist); Megan Lloyd George (Liberal)
1970 (Majority) def. Enoch Powell (Conservative); Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1973-1978: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1975 (Coalition w/ Liberal) def. Enoch Powell (Unionist); Margaret Thatcher (Liberal)
1978-1985: Margaret Thatcher (Liberal, later Alliance)
1980 (Majority) def. William Whitelaw (Unionist); Tony Benn (Labour)
1985-1989: Edward Heath (Unionist)
1985 (Majority) def. Margaret Thatcher (Alliance); Tony Benn (Labour)
1989-1995: John Major (Unionist)
1990 (Majority) def. Denis Healey (Labour); David Owen (Alliance)
1995-2005: Gordon Brown (Labour)
1995 (Majority) def. John Major (Unionist); David Owen (Alliance)
2000 (Majority) def.
2005-2010: Theresa May (Unionist)
2005 (Coalition w/ Alliance) def. Gordon Brown (Labour); Charles Kennedy (Alliance)
2010-2016: Anthony Blair (Labour)
2010 (Majority) def. Theresa May (Unionist); Nick Clegg (Alliance)
2014 (Majority) def. William Hague (Unionist); Nick Clegg (Alliance)
2016-2018: Sir Keir Starmer (Labour)
2018-2023: Boris Johnson (Unionist)
2018 (Majority) def. Sir Keir Starmer (Labour); Sir Ed Davey (Alliance)
2022 (Majority) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour); Liz Truss (Alliance)
2022-2023: Rishi Sunak (Unionist)
2023-2024: David Cameron (Unionist)
2024-Present: Liz Truss (Alliance)
2024 (Majority) def. David Cameron (Unionist); Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
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- Location
- Sussex by the Sea
- Pronouns
- He/They
This started out as part of a random conversation about reusing Saxon regnal names, and then I got too into it.
Emperors of The English
1869-1886: Edward X Erlingham (formerly King Edward VII of Bretagn) [1]
1886-1911: Edmund III Erlingham [2]
1911-1923: Aethelred II Erlingham [3]
1923-1923: throne vacant
1923-1927: Edward XI Erlingham-Ytene [4]
1927-1928: Aethelred II Erlingham [5]
1928-1951: Harold III Erlingham [6]
1951-0000: Penda I Erlingham [7]
[1] The first Emperor over all the children of Hengist since the death of Harald Hardrada, Edward claimed the English throne by the virtue of his descent, through eight hundred years of married-off daughters, distant cousins, and at least one reasonably similar-looking pretender, from the sainted Confessor himself--and by the power of his modern, French-trained, well-supplied, army, where every soldier had a huscarl's helm in his knapsack. While his official coronation ceremony was designed on the model of ancient English kings as laid out by St Dunstan, dropping the more Papal and Sinic flourishes the Bretagnian one had picked up over the years, the military parade afterwards, where mercenary-soldiers bore tans from the Fulani and burn-scars from Pontus, was a stark reminder that Edward's rule was never that of an absolute monarch, but that of a commanding officer.
[2] Where his father brandished the iron fist, Edmund waved the velvet glove. The pillars of the state--the army, the Bretagnian nobility, and the captains of industry--remained in place, but widened a little, to incorporate the new elites, and even stooped to witness the establishment of an "advisory" Allthing on the Tetzcocoan model. Efforts were made to forge an English national identity, to spread the "Saxon Summer" of Stonebridge and Cheatwood across the isle, albeit divorced from its romantic origins and made to serve as a handmaiden of absolutism. His coronation ceremony, where both Winchestrine and Lindisfarner liturgies were read and the now-Dukes of Mercia and Northumbria bowed as "brother kings", was a microcosm of such, right down to the near-disaster when the 1st Berenician Lancers were unable to make their dialect understood by their cousins in the 3rd Sussex Rifles and came close to running them over in the parade. It was a fragile unification, this Reendbyrde--but it held.
[3] The first Emperor to be born under the Empire, Aethelred was more importantly the first to be raised in the Reendbyrde's cultural atmosphere. Diabetes kept him out of the foreign military service that was an English noble's rite of passage--the young Emperor's view of his empire was formed from the cheap pulp novels of English kings fighting decadent Britons he inhaled while bedridden. This naive view of the world was visible both in his regal name and his coronation ceremony, with its elaborate processions of defeated banners and costumed raiders, but the subsequent parlay of said ceremony's diplomatic insult to the Kingdom of Powys into a short, victorious, war led many to call it a savvy guise, a way to throw the enemy off balance. It took the catastrophically failed gamble of intervening in the Holy Roman succession, blundering through the global alliance system in the process, for it to become clear the first impression had been more accurate.
[4] After the Trans-Oceanic Wars spluttered to a weary halt, one of the first questions was what to do with England--the answer to which was apathy. Neither Zapadnaslavia nor Ifriquiya particularly cared about the Western edge of Europe, as long as the rulers there weren't actively supporting continental rivals to them, and Cahokia was willing to support any government both stable and reasonably democratic. The occupying forces eventually found a distant cousin, who'd spent his time writing liberal tracts on a Wight estate, jammed a crown on his head in a joke of a ceremony, and left. They were luckier than they knew in this regard. What the English would call a kindly old duffer, amiable to taking his new ministers' advice and steadfast in his belief in an apolitical figurehead monarchy, Edward managed to claw back some measure of public popularity, and for four years it looked as though the centre would hold. Shame about the children, or lack thereof.
[5] There were attempts--international censure, Witangemot filibusters, the tragic and much-memorialised Lewes County Council--to stand in his way, but the Terror of the Isles left Man for the mainland on Palm Sunday and was sitting on the throne by Maundy Thursday. Unusually, he disdained a coronation, despite commissioning an "affirmation" ten times as elaborate. In his view, he'd never left the Emperorship. Fortunately for the rest of the isles, he'd hardly left Peel Castle either--his grotesque dreams of revenge were just as constrained and shut-off by the threat of foreign intervention and the exhaustion of his own population as they had been by the Lord of the Isle's stone walls. It's a popular legend that he wept out of disappointment when Zapadnaslavia recognised his fait accompli, denied even the chance at a rematch, but one with a grain of truth. His sword, or what was left of it, had to turn on the English instead, in order to remortar the Reedbyrde with blood. The time for fantasies would be later.
[6] Thanks to his father's insistence on bestowing the military upbringing he'd been denied, Harold III was almost aggressively practical. Even his coronation, by now enshrined as a way to lay out a template for an emperor's reign, was a stripped-back affair, with the crown practically being jammed onto his head outside the Brycgstow barracks before someone else could snatch it. Unfortunately, practicality did not fit the moment within the nation. The pillars Edward X had built up were halfway rotted through with idealists, men who had developed a taste for reversion after undoing the Ytene years and itched to go further. Where Harold sent in strikebreakers under guard, industry roared at him to break the strikers on the wheel. When Harold conquered Dunmonia as an exercise in pillage and strategic positioning, the military declared it a first blow against the decadent Britannic race. What Harold saw happen to his son, immersed in the new harder edge of the Reedbyrde, was worse by far.
[7] Perhaps most notable for being the first coronation ceremony in several centuries to involve neither the archbishops of Canterbury or Winchester in the proceedings. Instead, Penda crowned himself by his right as a speaker for the Old Gods, and included the archbishops in a later ceremony in which fire played a major part. The horrors that followed, as famous as they are in the eyes of the world, hardly need to be elaborated on--but it should be made clear that this would be the last coronation in England.
Emperors of The English
1869-1886: Edward X Erlingham (formerly King Edward VII of Bretagn) [1]
1886-1911: Edmund III Erlingham [2]
1911-1923: Aethelred II Erlingham [3]
1923-1923: throne vacant
1923-1927: Edward XI Erlingham-Ytene [4]
1927-1928: Aethelred II Erlingham [5]
1928-1951: Harold III Erlingham [6]
1951-0000: Penda I Erlingham [7]
[1] The first Emperor over all the children of Hengist since the death of Harald Hardrada, Edward claimed the English throne by the virtue of his descent, through eight hundred years of married-off daughters, distant cousins, and at least one reasonably similar-looking pretender, from the sainted Confessor himself--and by the power of his modern, French-trained, well-supplied, army, where every soldier had a huscarl's helm in his knapsack. While his official coronation ceremony was designed on the model of ancient English kings as laid out by St Dunstan, dropping the more Papal and Sinic flourishes the Bretagnian one had picked up over the years, the military parade afterwards, where mercenary-soldiers bore tans from the Fulani and burn-scars from Pontus, was a stark reminder that Edward's rule was never that of an absolute monarch, but that of a commanding officer.
[2] Where his father brandished the iron fist, Edmund waved the velvet glove. The pillars of the state--the army, the Bretagnian nobility, and the captains of industry--remained in place, but widened a little, to incorporate the new elites, and even stooped to witness the establishment of an "advisory" Allthing on the Tetzcocoan model. Efforts were made to forge an English national identity, to spread the "Saxon Summer" of Stonebridge and Cheatwood across the isle, albeit divorced from its romantic origins and made to serve as a handmaiden of absolutism. His coronation ceremony, where both Winchestrine and Lindisfarner liturgies were read and the now-Dukes of Mercia and Northumbria bowed as "brother kings", was a microcosm of such, right down to the near-disaster when the 1st Berenician Lancers were unable to make their dialect understood by their cousins in the 3rd Sussex Rifles and came close to running them over in the parade. It was a fragile unification, this Reendbyrde--but it held.
[3] The first Emperor to be born under the Empire, Aethelred was more importantly the first to be raised in the Reendbyrde's cultural atmosphere. Diabetes kept him out of the foreign military service that was an English noble's rite of passage--the young Emperor's view of his empire was formed from the cheap pulp novels of English kings fighting decadent Britons he inhaled while bedridden. This naive view of the world was visible both in his regal name and his coronation ceremony, with its elaborate processions of defeated banners and costumed raiders, but the subsequent parlay of said ceremony's diplomatic insult to the Kingdom of Powys into a short, victorious, war led many to call it a savvy guise, a way to throw the enemy off balance. It took the catastrophically failed gamble of intervening in the Holy Roman succession, blundering through the global alliance system in the process, for it to become clear the first impression had been more accurate.
[4] After the Trans-Oceanic Wars spluttered to a weary halt, one of the first questions was what to do with England--the answer to which was apathy. Neither Zapadnaslavia nor Ifriquiya particularly cared about the Western edge of Europe, as long as the rulers there weren't actively supporting continental rivals to them, and Cahokia was willing to support any government both stable and reasonably democratic. The occupying forces eventually found a distant cousin, who'd spent his time writing liberal tracts on a Wight estate, jammed a crown on his head in a joke of a ceremony, and left. They were luckier than they knew in this regard. What the English would call a kindly old duffer, amiable to taking his new ministers' advice and steadfast in his belief in an apolitical figurehead monarchy, Edward managed to claw back some measure of public popularity, and for four years it looked as though the centre would hold. Shame about the children, or lack thereof.
[5] There were attempts--international censure, Witangemot filibusters, the tragic and much-memorialised Lewes County Council--to stand in his way, but the Terror of the Isles left Man for the mainland on Palm Sunday and was sitting on the throne by Maundy Thursday. Unusually, he disdained a coronation, despite commissioning an "affirmation" ten times as elaborate. In his view, he'd never left the Emperorship. Fortunately for the rest of the isles, he'd hardly left Peel Castle either--his grotesque dreams of revenge were just as constrained and shut-off by the threat of foreign intervention and the exhaustion of his own population as they had been by the Lord of the Isle's stone walls. It's a popular legend that he wept out of disappointment when Zapadnaslavia recognised his fait accompli, denied even the chance at a rematch, but one with a grain of truth. His sword, or what was left of it, had to turn on the English instead, in order to remortar the Reedbyrde with blood. The time for fantasies would be later.
[6] Thanks to his father's insistence on bestowing the military upbringing he'd been denied, Harold III was almost aggressively practical. Even his coronation, by now enshrined as a way to lay out a template for an emperor's reign, was a stripped-back affair, with the crown practically being jammed onto his head outside the Brycgstow barracks before someone else could snatch it. Unfortunately, practicality did not fit the moment within the nation. The pillars Edward X had built up were halfway rotted through with idealists, men who had developed a taste for reversion after undoing the Ytene years and itched to go further. Where Harold sent in strikebreakers under guard, industry roared at him to break the strikers on the wheel. When Harold conquered Dunmonia as an exercise in pillage and strategic positioning, the military declared it a first blow against the decadent Britannic race. What Harold saw happen to his son, immersed in the new harder edge of the Reedbyrde, was worse by far.
[7] Perhaps most notable for being the first coronation ceremony in several centuries to involve neither the archbishops of Canterbury or Winchester in the proceedings. Instead, Penda crowned himself by his right as a speaker for the Old Gods, and included the archbishops in a later ceremony in which fire played a major part. The horrors that followed, as famous as they are in the eyes of the world, hardly need to be elaborated on--but it should be made clear that this would be the last coronation in England.
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The Worldbuilding list behind my Vignette submission "Happy Birthday, you bastards"
Also technically a sequel to my previous list "George Bloody Canning" and a rewrite of a previous list.
2019-2019: Boris Johnson (Conservative Minority)
Boris Johnson (Conservative): Won Plurality
Def: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) Collective Leadership (United to Remain: Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, Green Party, Independent Conservative) Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) Arlene Foster (DUP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Naomi Long (Alliance) Nigel Farage (Brexit)
2019-2020: Ken Clarke (Independent Conservative leading Second Referendum Government, Labour- United To Remain (Lib Dem, Independent Conservative, Plaid Cymru, Green Party) with SNP and National Conservative S&C)
2020-Autumn 2021: Rory Stewart (Independent Conservative leading Covid National Government (Labour-Lib Dem- Independent Conservative, Plaid Cymru, Green, SNP, National Conservative)
2021 EU Referendum: 51% Remain.
Autumn 2022: Angela Rayner (Labour- United Ticket (Lib Dem, One Nation, Independent Labour) Coalition)
Def: Suella Braverman (Conservative) Jo Swinson/Rory Stwart (United) Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) Arlene Foster (DUP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Naomi Long (Alliance) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Nigel Farage (Reform) Carla Denyer/Adrian Ramsay (Green)
2022 Electoral Reform Referendum: Question 1: 55% replace Question 2: 34% Proportional Representation
2024- Present Sir Ed Davey (United Liberal- Conservative Coalition)
Def: Rebecca Long-Bailey (Labour) Nigel Farage (Reform) Liz Truss (Conservative) Carla Denyer/Adrian Ramsay (Green) John Swinney (SNP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Gavin Robinson (DUP) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Naomi Long (Alliance) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Patrick Harvie/Lorna Slater (Scottish Greens)
The broad background is. May hangs on a little longer, meaning the Tories slip in the polls for a while longer. Boris Johnson takes a harder line on the Conservative Rebels, leading to a more concrete and broader United to Remain ticket between the Lib Dems, the rebels, PC and the Greens. Boris' campaign goes worse with him dodging a lot of criticism and souring public opinion on him. Its more a concept than some hard AH but by the end of it while he wins a plurality he's miles off a majority and a pro-second referendum government forms for in theory six months. Then the pandemic happens.
I'm really not sure on those two national government PMs and Id love to hear opinions.
Other people that came to mind are
Philip Hammond
Keir Starmer
Claire Wright
Someone random like Liz Saville-Roberts.
Another Labour Moderate perhaps.
Also technically a sequel to my previous list "George Bloody Canning" and a rewrite of a previous list.
2019-2019: Boris Johnson (Conservative Minority)
Boris Johnson (Conservative): Won Plurality
Def: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) Collective Leadership (United to Remain: Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, Green Party, Independent Conservative) Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) Arlene Foster (DUP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Naomi Long (Alliance) Nigel Farage (Brexit)
2019-2020: Ken Clarke (Independent Conservative leading Second Referendum Government, Labour- United To Remain (Lib Dem, Independent Conservative, Plaid Cymru, Green Party) with SNP and National Conservative S&C)
2020-Autumn 2021: Rory Stewart (Independent Conservative leading Covid National Government (Labour-Lib Dem- Independent Conservative, Plaid Cymru, Green, SNP, National Conservative)
2021 EU Referendum: 51% Remain.
Autumn 2022: Angela Rayner (Labour- United Ticket (Lib Dem, One Nation, Independent Labour) Coalition)
Def: Suella Braverman (Conservative) Jo Swinson/Rory Stwart (United) Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) Arlene Foster (DUP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Naomi Long (Alliance) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Nigel Farage (Reform) Carla Denyer/Adrian Ramsay (Green)
2022 Electoral Reform Referendum: Question 1: 55% replace Question 2: 34% Proportional Representation
2024- Present Sir Ed Davey (United Liberal- Conservative Coalition)
Def: Rebecca Long-Bailey (Labour) Nigel Farage (Reform) Liz Truss (Conservative) Carla Denyer/Adrian Ramsay (Green) John Swinney (SNP) Mary Lou McDonald (Sinn Fein) Gavin Robinson (DUP) Colum Eastwood (SDLP) Naomi Long (Alliance) Adam Price (Plaid Cymru) Patrick Harvie/Lorna Slater (Scottish Greens)
The broad background is. May hangs on a little longer, meaning the Tories slip in the polls for a while longer. Boris Johnson takes a harder line on the Conservative Rebels, leading to a more concrete and broader United to Remain ticket between the Lib Dems, the rebels, PC and the Greens. Boris' campaign goes worse with him dodging a lot of criticism and souring public opinion on him. Its more a concept than some hard AH but by the end of it while he wins a plurality he's miles off a majority and a pro-second referendum government forms for in theory six months. Then the pandemic happens.
I'm really not sure on those two national government PMs and Id love to hear opinions.
Other people that came to mind are
Philip Hammond
Keir Starmer
Claire Wright
Someone random like Liz Saville-Roberts.
Another Labour Moderate perhaps.
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The above FAO @The Questing Vole . This is how imagined that TL unfolding. I might do a party Rundown. Not sure yet
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Oh, very shiny.
So Boris is still leading the largest party in the Commons to the extent that it takes a Grand Everyone Else coalition including the surviving rebel Tories to unseat him? In that case I'm genuinely not sure Corbyn would go, even if he's lost a few seats in the shuffle and the Remain Alliance have gained, unless he's lost a lot and the Lib Dems got them all, and if that's the story we're past any "new middle party" nonsense and it's just Rory the Tory et al. Join The Lib Dems; if seven Lib Dems didn't fold to ChUK, forty won't to the Independent Tories. But that doesn't capture the vibes of a Lib Dems who have absolutely embraced the Sensible Centrist Party approach so fair enough.
Assuming that Corbyn does go, because "Boris goes on as a Tory minority" or "Lab teeny minority with SNP S&C" are the only alternatives I can see and that's not the story, I think you can discount Hammond right away, there are too many Labour MPs who won't serve under Spreadsheet Phil or almost any other Tory. Clarke is probably the least implausible reverse Ramsay Mac, having presumably got back in with the Alliance standing down against him and Labour running a paper campaign, but I think there should be a Labour moderate who's more acceptable, and it might even be Starmer, nobody else immediately springs to mind. Benn has the experience and centrist and Lab-but-not-Corbyn credentials?
I wonder if in the spirit of March 2020 you could get a full GNU for six months... certainly not with Suella as LOTO! But her refusal probably fed a lot of remaining moderate Tories to United.
What's the timing with the PR Referendum? First act of the incoming Lab/United coalition? In which case having it in 2022 feels a bit of a reach if the election's in the Autumn.
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@The Questing Vole thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it
Also. The funny answer for GNU PM is Ed Miliband
Also. The funny answer for GNU PM is Ed Miliband
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Oh God it is isn’t it?@The Questing Vole thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it
Also. The funny answer for GNU PM is Ed Miliband
The more I think about it the more I like Benn for the job but MiliE works just about as well (the difficulty is that you have Hammond, Grieve etc on record being nasty about him) and is funny.
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Perhaps tbe electoral reform in 2023. It passes, the Labour-Liberal government (which may not be a grand coalition but not far off. The 2021/2022 election is probably a MESS under FPTP
I don't know either about the Tory Rebels and Liberals going from alliance to unified party in 5 years is a bit fast. You might see something like *spoilers* @Lucon50 's Alliance TL where the lib-SDP alliance even go into their second GE having not merged even in government
So the 2024 gov might be the Lib Dems, whatever the heck the Tory moderates call themselves in an alliance and THEN the Tories as the Jr partner.
Working on a potential party Rundown. I think even with the Lib Dems pushing for a ceasefire, it's public perception of a divided Labour on Gaza that helps drop them into 2nd place. You might even see a social Democrat/ harder left split in Labour.
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Lib Dems are gonna have their own Gaza problems, mind - this will be a party that has in its refounding myth “we ate Corbyn’s lunch because he’s an antisemite and we were the Safe To Be Jewish Party”. Their first reaction will probably be more like Starmer’s than OTL Davey’s much less Corbyn’s, though I doubt they’ll stick to that for as long in the face of what actually happens.
Sorry I feel like I’m coming off as a nit-picking pedant and I don’t mean to be, I’m just interested and engaged.
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No it's good to talk through. Like I said the above list is the fairly rough and ready background to a Vignette that only has its main conceit "Boris Johnaon is miserable and has probably irreparably fucked the Tory party" beyond that its up for interpretation.
It's also fair to say that the People's Nigel is having a good time in this TL. Idk if you'll see a cordon Sanitaire against Reform though. You possibly might as long as the big boys of the right involce the Lib Dems.
The Greens are also quids in, especially if Labour fall apart.